The REAL REASONS why Elon Musk fired the TESLA Supercharger Team
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Elon recently shocked the industry by firing the entire supercharger team of around 500 employees in what seems so be a spur of the moment decision. But, why did Elon do this and what does this mean for the future of Tesla’s supercharger network?
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Being vindictive against a performer because you don't like their information is stupid. Making enemies of your most informed employees is also dumb.
How do you get this out of the video? What was "vindictive"?
@@srt8turboawdjeep146 he was mad at the woman who was in charge of the supercharger team, so he fired everyone out of spite, not because every employee was individually underperforming. It seems blatantly vindictive.
@@hotrodandrube9119 If that is what happened then yikes
The employers demand loyalty, but they’re rarely loyal to their employees. The employees are usually just the tools in hands of their employers.
Hired back after getting fired doesn't seem to feel that good
It is not, I would spend all day looking for another job that did not depend in the whims of a sociopath.
From the viewpoint of the affected employees - If I were suddenly fired and then asked to come back, I would almost definitely not go back.
I would go back, but it wouldn't be to give it my all.
I would consider going back--but not without a hefty raise. Anyone can make a mistake. But there should be a cost associated with mistakenly firing a good employee.
If I got a severance package and then get a sign in bonus when rehired. Then why would I let emotions prevail over making more money. It's business bro Elon's not your grandpa.
@@kazedcat You know he's only rehiring to complete the work he abruptly disrupted, and since it's already announced they are firing 10% of the company, more future layoffs are in store. That's means there's a high likelihood you could get cut a 2nd time once you've trained the remaining people who are earning less & the hole has been plugged. I'd return, to get the extra pay, but unless I received some form of security I'd also have my resume & feelers out to work somewhere else and then I'd bolt as soon as I found the right opportunity with no love lost leaving him high & dry at a moment's notice like he did to me & my coworkers. Fair is fair. If it's just business, then expect to also be on the receiving end of that cold brutality.
@@eyesuckle "hefty raise" is not, nor will it ever be your decision.
“You can always hire people back”…not if they have found another place where there isn’t a 50 to 80-hour work week, and you don’t get fired at the drop of a hat or by a regular “cull the herd” schedule.
Staying in the office for long periods does not necessarily mean you are more productive. You make bad decisions and tend to solve things like always. Inspiration and genius ideas often come away from work - like the day after in the shower or on the way to work. I would have just worked further along a tangent if I had stayed longer.
Both regarding people count and work hours - sometimes less is more.
The people who are willing to be hired back are not going to be the best people. You will be towards the bottom of the barrel for motivation and productivity.
The best people will just move on and never have anything to do with Tesla or Elon Musk again.
While It was not Tesla... You could offer $1 million/year salary and I would not go back to a certain company.
Hire and fire is not a sustainable process. It teaches managers to overtire, so they have fat to cut. It teaches employees to always have an eye out for a better job and, for the top people, those jobs show up. There are better ways to keep up efficiency.
Yep. never trust sociopathic people like Elon who do not give a crap about their employees, he treats people with a much concern as a wheel bolt. Every "rehire" should start looking for real job.
I worked for a similar company for 12 years that did the same crap.The remaining employees were so scared that quality control was a thing of the past.They after 3 more years went out of business.If the employees have no security in there job you will have no loyalty.
If there's no business then there's no jobs. Security thru responsibility.
dont worry they will give Elon $50B and he will save the world!!!
Similar company? Which one?
@@lurin971any US based
But on the other hand, if employees have too much security in their jobs, they become lazy, complacent and uncreative.
I watched the balance of this video and now I the take back some of my layoff criticism. If Tesla was taking nine months to install a level 2 home charger, something serious is wrong. It took me 2 days to install a level 2 charger after I received it.
100%, but many here are commenting with their emotions, not their minds and how a business needs to be run. Do they write their paychecks? No, they receive their paychecks.
Then why would Tesla rush to hire them back?
@@StinkPickle4000
Well you can solve things like that in two ways, slowly try to figure out whose slowing down everything and doesn't do their job or fire everyone and rehire those who proved that they did their job.
So a problem in one product means all products are bad? Fire everyone! Institutional memory? Who needs that? Employees see each other being treated as modern cannon fodder, and Elon is just welcoming the unions as employees seek to protect themselves from whims like this. Reorgs are good but this isn't one and he is trading an inefficiency for a problem. Not emotional.
Makes little sense unless he has grown tired of cars and is positioning himself to move on (cough: ai ultimatum). I hope my shares he moves sooner before he does more long term damage to shareholder value.
But this is how America works and has forever, pay workers peanuts and they work like monkeys pay them a living wage and treat them better and they will do everything for the company, why do you think American products are seen as inferior even in China. I would rather buy from China than America, they have more knowhow and their quality is improving all the time as others in asia start competing with them.
'Tesla can always hire back' . . . Anyone you get to come back is never going invest themselves in the company again.
Elon is always right because he's a genius not you.
@@davidsoom1551 lol
Tesla isn't a job like yours. It's a mission-driven company - you're not there for a paycheck.
Money is more important than people just ask Elon.. but I am sure he would have given him all 6 months pay for all the help they have given him and money they have made him (not) 👎👎👎👎
Anyone thinking this way will never be invited back into a company like Tesla. Elon is running a cutting edge company, not a daycare center. Chances are that you are the one contributing to the inefficiency.
Nothing says how much you are appreciated as:
“You’re Fired”.
Firing someone would mean the person must have phucked up. Thus did Musk laid off the SC team or fired them all? Since they got severance package, therefore they got laid off.
This hurts me more . . . bs. 🤨🤬
Through Rebecca's charge of the team it grew to an unacceptable size for the results shown. There are other reasons beyond what John has shared. Appreciation of a job and taking advantage of that job are two very different subjects.
Because growth of a company always means firing people, not finding new roles for them. I think if I was fired, I'm giving them the finger if they come back and saying "just kidding, we still need you."
Catch 22 with a side of 69. Do the wrong thing, your fired. Do the right thing, your fired.
So "what is the real reason?" Unless you were there at that moment, all are only speculation.
Elon's policy of firing and rehiring worked so well at twitter,
Why not do it again?
Yeah, Twitter is with nothing now.
Big companies do this all the time. Nothing new. Never think a company has your best interest in mind, your job is just business, and you should treat your boss, co workers, and the company as such.
Yep, throughout my career, retired now, I never had any loyalty to a company. I worked most of my career in Silicon Valley and your position is only good as long as someone you don't know decides it is. I have gone to lunch and come back to the police on the roof and parking lots and a company was essentially let go. No warning and no severance package. They even announced that they didn't have a layoff rather they got rid of dead wood. Those of us that were let go filed a class action suit for defamation and wrongful termination.The company quickly announced a retraction. This was all because the CEO and Dir. of Hardware Eng were developing a piece of hardware and were putting together another company to take that development to a full product all on the parent companies dollar. None of those let go had anything to do with what was going on. That taught me a lot.
Went through several other layoffs and restructurings. I learned to watch real close and quit before they happened. I didn't want to be looking for a job competing with others that had been laid off. If I quit first there was less competition. Companies only care about you as they want you. Never assume you are special or indispensable.
The problem big companies have is the choices of who to let go are made by people who have arrived at their position through the Peter Principle (i.e. promoted past their level of ability). They cut those who threaten them (i.e .the useful people) rather than the avoiders (i.e. dead wood).
Yet they will cry if you do not show absolute loyalty and give up your precious free time for the company, but ask for an increase or better working conditions and they fire you. I worked for a hotel they fired three staff and expected me to do their jobs with no increase at all in fact asking me to work longer hours to make up for not hiring replacements as they believed i could do the work of 4 people. So i did for a month then one day after asking yet again about an increase and being rejected i turned around and told them i quit with immediate effect , they threatened me but what are they going to do take me to court where i explain they fired 3 people and expected me to do those jobs with no increase or compensation other than a regular hourly rate even doing 4 hours overtime every day. They recovered eventually but had serious problems with other staff, put under pressure, quitting, they ended up not only hiring someone to fill my place but 4 others as the new person would take months to find out all the ways not to fuck up. Managers and to work double shifts and i visited and laughed when my senior manager that i barely saw before, behind reception, he glared at me as i turned and walked out after putting a security device that i had accidentally taken home on the counter and walked out.
The managers keep their buddies and fire their competitors.
Thanks Jon, very good and helpful video ! 🙏👏🏆
Thank you and I completely agree with your assessment
I know for a fact that if you fire a large team of people that you can almost never hire all of them back. For many people, being fired burns a bridge that can be expensive if not impossible to rebuild.
Also with a large team of people, there will be people that have recently rebuffed recruitment efforts. If it looks like that person might have someone else on the line and their previous employer comes back begging, that former employee will put them off until they've explored the other opportunity. And if you are offered a position with competitive pay, how many former employees would consider returning to what they probably now view as a hostile work environment?
I would go back (b/c he blindsided me & put me in a precarious financial circumstance) while secretly applying and putting out my resume for a better position at a different company. As soon as I had a good opportunity, I would bolt and leave him high & dry the same way he treated me.
@@RT-mv7df- Fair point. Either way attempting to rehire people you just unceremoniously fired usually doesn't work out.
Can we criticize them for taking 9 to 14 months to build a charging center? Sometimes it takes that long just to get a building permit. I've seen a planning department take years to issue an approval. The bureaucratic lethargy at the City and County level in some counties is mind boggling.
I'm pretty sure the 9-14mo figure is not counting permitting. Permits/construction tracked by a website - type "supercharge info" in Google to see it (YT will remove this comment if I link it)
That's exactly why Tesla left CA for TX. And Elon will always seek the most efficient path of least resistance.
Pretty sure the 9-14mo doesn't include the permit time though
@@LuKiSCraft Not when a third-party contractor gets the same job done in a month.
@@Pooua The permitting? Or the construction? sorry I'm unsure what your point is TBH. I agree Tesla has been slow with this though.
Good research getting to the bottom of this startling decision. Thank you !
Thank you for the explanation. This decision now makes sense being put into context. Keep up the great reporting and insights.
Makes no sense to me because it's wrong. People are being fired because the EV fad is over and no one is buying them!
You are spot on! One of clients is working to get Tesla chargers at their retail stores and most of their contacts at Tesla were gone. After speaking with some of the remaining contacts, they stated exactly what you stated. They mentioned that Elon did this at Space X in the past.
The difference between the charging companies is massive. Building parking lots for charging is different than selling a charging station to hotels and existing businesses. You can't always hire back the people you pissed off.
Would you go back. Nooooooo!
I would go back (b/c he blindsided me & put me in a precarious financial circumstance) while secretly applying and putting out my resume for a better position at a different company. As soon as I had a good opportunity, I would bolt and leave him high & dry the same way he treated me.
Probably best that way, doesnt sound like you are cut out to work at tesla @@RT-mv7df
Exactly. All those people likely developed relationships with the people at all of those locations which helped to move things along. Now entirely new people have to start that over from scratch? That is such an unforced error.
Supercharging is complete fantasy. It only works in small numbers. We simply do not have the infrastructure to run them. We don't have the spare capacity in either generation or distribution (grid).
You pull into a supercharger place and there are 10-20 chargers all claiming to be able to charge in 100kw plus rates.
Supercharging will be absolutely necessary for the millions upon millions who live in apartments, row homes and other places without a garage or even a driveway.
Jon...
I would also suggest that legacy auto "pulling back" 6 months after they said "we're in" MAY have had something to do with it?
Tesla was ramping and the lack of extra customers from other brands meant there would be too many chargers not being utilised, potentially meaning the network would lose money.
Now, enough for existing customers, those under construction completed, V2 chargers upgraded and "gaps" filled will be sufficient, but not overkill.
When ("IF") the other companies grow a pair and return, the ramp can continue.
Although, I would suggest that if they do, Tesla should say "here are the plans ... YOU build chargers"
Give them some skin in the game
Yes! This makes a lot of sense.
"If it was easy, then everyone would do it....". Tesla did the hard thing and then cut out the institutional memory of how it was done. Saying the ramp can "just continue" means all new people that haven't done it before.. and it just won't be the same. History says lowered cost and lowered quality are the result of these kinds of extreme and short term actions.
Might work at SpaceX but definitely wouldn't work at Tesla right now.
I agree. I have 11,000 miles so far this year in 3 over the road trips from Carlsbad CA to bonners ferry idaho and Sacramento to Nashville and a lot of places in-between. From my experience we have network that could easily support 5 times as many cars. I never found a location without at least open chargers many times I was the only car at a 12-24 charger location. There were 3 of us at the 80 stall harris ranch location. The places like Idaho and the flyover states that do not have a lot of chargers do not have very many Tesla.
"Legacy auto"? Have you seen the sales figures for your unwanted flawed technology electric cars that now have no buyers since all the nerds and low testosterone guys bought theirs. Electric cars are for the golf course and grandma to the market. We Taxpayers are tired of supporting a technology that can't support it's self and all the hype in the world won't bring it back. The new legacy auto is the EV!
@davidsoom1551 The present economy has cut into all car sales. Teslas are still selling well in comparison to other cars. My Model Y can drive like a sports car. I have over 13,000 road trip miles charging at supercharges. Every time I get to a charger there is still room for more cars. When I charge at home the car is ready to go by 6 am with the amount of charge I have specified. This is the fastest car I have ever owned. I tipicly do not charge more than 80% of the 330 mile range. I try to get to charges with 5 to 10% of charge becase the bottom part of the battery charges up to 1024 MPH while at 80% the charge rate has dropped to about 200MPH. When charging I disconect shortly after the car predicts I will arive at the next charger with 10% charge remaining. Most charging sessions are in the 20 to 25 minute range and I need some time to walk around about when it is time to charge. Road trips are the weekest use for this car. It works well to be ready to go every moreing at home and not needing to supercharge unless I am going to drive more than 250 miles a day. I never drive more than 250 miles in a day unless I am doing a road trip.
Thank you for explaining the context much better than all the articles just highlighting that the team was fired without the reasoning.
cant believe i almost listened to 12 mins of praise of musk why did i click on this ?
I've put in 4 requests to host, never heard a word back. Hope this change is for the better.😊
Only negative I have about the firings is Elon didn't give 2 weeks -10 Day notice before the layoffs/firings. 1. Morale across the company will take a hit. Folks will start looking at other opportunities. 2. Making the company leaner as well as not giving ammunition to the shorts could have been accomplished absent the no warning layoffs to the Super Charger Team. Just saying..........
Exactly what entrepreneurs want ... they want people like them that are all in and want to be there and willing to take a risk ??? Don't want that, there's the door.
May states are "at will " ones and he has no morals since he is a sociopath.
R those figures the US only or worldwide?
The time it takes to install chargers is one thing but they were still a strong profit center for the company. Why would the supercharger waste their time on piddly level 2 chargers when they were and still are expanding out the network?
I feel bad for the people who lost their jobs and I feel bad for the people who are still working for him today as their work load just increased tremendously, with fear of being "an inefficiency".
Thank you.
There are about eight SC stations in the Smart and Final near my in-laws that are not working at all. So not sure what is holding them back from going live.
Nearly 60K super-chargers in the USA.
Assuming there are nearly 300 million cars in the USA (2020 figures), if all are EVs, that would be 5,000 EVs to one charger.
Crazy.
There will never be 300 million personally owned Ev's in the US. Our population is shrinking and with the advent of robotaxi's even less personally owned EV's will be on roads.
is your home working with electricity ? Crazy POWER 10
@@metriczeppelin They have zero intention of allowing you to own your own transport. EVs are the thin end of the wedge, forcing you into what is basically a remote-controlled computer on wheels which they can control and restrict.
Only 2 million are EV.
@@toriless
Did you forget what will happen when all private vehicles are EVs?
It seems like pruning roses.
You have to have a rose to begin with. When you count all the taxpayer government funds and all the investor funds given to Elon and Tesla you should get more cars sold than have been. Don't reply until you do the math!
I think the quoted schedules are not being properly stated. It is suggested that Tesla takes 6 to 9 months for installation. I imagine that is all inclusive - site selection, negotiation with land owner (ie: parking lot), permitting with electrical utility company, trenching and feeding from the electrical grid, and final installation. My experience in engineering and construction tells me that 6 to 9 months makes sense. Meanwhile, Smart Charge America which quotes 24 days is probably referring only to construction phase into a commercial site (ie: hotels and apartment buildings) that already have adequate electrical services within the building's parkade to tap into and where permitting is not required.
I see charging stations, NONE are using Tesla equipment, at home they ALL use it but not at stations.
Interesting, I've been on both sides of the desk and, it's far better to be on one side than the other. No one bled red blood when I hit the street. Really made me feel great to know I helped the team as the door hit me in the "A" on the way out. And, I have a sack of pennies I'll trade for dimes.
but you are not a sociopath like Elon Musk.
So... how does firing the entire team solve an inefficiency problem... unless Elon is going to subcontract the charger installation work to non-employees working for the likes of the company that can do the job in 24 days for $7000? I'm thinking this is what's going on...
By eliminating and replacing the team that became inefficient.
Just like Twitter -> X
I agree that this is what is going to happen. Outsource. Or sell all or a percentage of Superchargers to PE investors or Blackstone's Infrastructure team to expand and get paid ongoing royalties.
@@tommornini2470 yes, once bureaucratization sets in, it's very hard to change since the old hands get used to either not working or busy working...only one way to clean the Augean stables as Hercules demonstrated
Once bureaucracy sets in, it is really hard to tell who is causing the lazy and toxic work environment. Better to redo the whole team than to rehire the same inefficient managers
@@tommornini2470 - The knowledge of designing high KWH charging stations is a non-trivial Electrical Engineering problem and also involves negotiation with local power companies to provide transformers with adequate KWH to support charging multiple cars without slowing down charging rate for others. At some charging stations with many cars charging, you may need to provide local battery storage with converter/inverter electonics to store energy and provide Supercharging KWH to the charging stations greater than the KWH delivered from local power transformers.
No money to pay their salary. 12m14s saved. You're welcome.
Love you Jon. In the spirit of the best part is no part, you don’t need to mention Elon’s last name. Everyone knows who you’re talking about when you say the name Elon. Keep up the great work!
Great job of explaining this !!! Media likes to show bad news without backstories....
all leather floor liners? Something amiss there.
Elon is a genius so don't question leather floors.
Reward for bad work, your fired. Reward for good work, your fired. Reward for meeting the standards, your fired. It's a wonderful system we have ain't it?
This is what happens with a sociopath like Elon Musk.
@@toriless I like most of what he's doing I just can't condone some of his methods.
Wait just a minute, I've been to 2 picnics, a rodeo and a Worlds Fair and I ain't seen nuthin like it!
This cost cutting is interesting considering Elon was angered his $56 Billion dollar compensation package was turned down. Ironic.
It wasn't a monetary (cash) compensation and it was his only "salary" in the company for the last 5(?) years. Also the court decision was to award some unrelated law firm with *6 billion* dollars of Tesla money as "legal fee".
If you say anything else bad against Elon you'll have to answer to me, low testosterone soy boy.
8:20 This makes sense. Workers adding unbranded chargers at a nearby mall are taking over half a year. I thought to myself, Elon wouldn't let Tesla's chargers take so long. But maybe he did and decided to do something about it. One of the few things he added to Tesla was the proprietary adapter, and now that advantage is gone, so I can understand why he's as nervous as Ma Bell being required to share its lines with other companies.
In any large company it is difficult to identify the ones actually getting things done and if teams' bosses are unwilling or unable to weed out the bad actors, starting from scratch is exactly what is warranted. In addition, Tesla is the premier place to work for ev chargers. My take is that the ones rehired are happy the dead wood is gone and feel more empowered to deliver results.
You obvious do not work, F him, I would take it for the money while applying everywhere else. Elon is sociopath who gives a crap about employees.
Then why aren't they delivering results? The lay offs are because the nerds and such have already bought theirs and no one else wants them. The new Legacy Auto is the EV!
There are 145,000-195,000 gas stations in the US. There's only 2,300± supercharger stations. I'm aware that many can charge at home, but MANY can't. EV charging has a LONG way to go. In my area, there isn't a supercharger within a 50 mile radius.
Most people charge their EV at home. This is a fact in that most people drive less than 40 miles per day, while occasionally driving slightly farther regionally near their home on weekends. Multiply 40 miles times 365 days. That's 14,600 miles.
Most people don't take 2,000 mile road trips every year. If they do take a long road trip, it's rare, and not across the entire country.
For destination trips across the country, it's a waste of time, money and wear to spend many days on the road driving.
Take a jet instead and rent a vehicle when you get there. It's faster and gives more time for fun around your destination.
Most Americans work 50 + or - weeks per year.
Even for apartment dwellers in the city, Superchargers work just fine.
Do apartment dwellers ever read, check e-mails, text, surf the web, listen to music, nap or go out to shop at Target or get groceries?
People can do all of those things once or twice per week while charging an EV for 20 or 30 minutes. That's all it takes.
Really, it's not difficult.
Yeah it's not difficult to assume when I say MANY can't charge at home = apartment dwellers. And why call them dwellers? A bit derogatory. Installing a home charger isn't *cheap*. Don't let your upper middle class mindset fool you on that. I rented a Model X, and it was a pain in the ass to charge. To charge effectively and efficiently, I had to plan my routes way outside of convince. You live in a bubble.
Your right there not enough superchargers. But your off on the numbers. Tesla alone owns 2300 sites containing 26,000 superchargers. The rest (Electrify America etc.) own a similar number of sites containing half as many superchargers. Tesla is building larger 12-16 stall sites, while the others are just starting to build 8 stall sites.
In total figure 4000-5000 sites containing 35,000-45,000 superchargers.
We still need many more superchargers. But more orientated towards travel. Some also for apartments, but ultimately that should be solved by level two chargers.
@@k34561 Well I said 2300± supercharger STATIONS(like a gas station) and I'm only including the US, and Califorina has the most. Gas stations total between 900,000 to 1.8 million pumps. They need more stations, maybe not as many as gas stations but enough to make it convenient to drive for everyone. And they're a long way away from this. A lot of people drive 20, 30, 40 miles to work, and then do more after work. I drive 100miles total a day to work, and sometime I drive 150miles if I have other things to take care of. I agree there are more chargers outside of the tesla superchargers but most of those chargers are AWFUL. The nearest charger outside of tesla superchargers for me is 30miles away at a theater and there's only 2 /7.7kw Volta chargers there.
@k34561 Man I just typed an entire essay and sent.. and it's not showing up and I'm not going to type all that shit out again. But I said there are 2,300± Supercharger STATIONS.
Why can I only see the thumbs down symbol beneath all YT videos now? Just started today. (I wanted to "like" your video)
I think Niccolò Machiavelli's book 'The Prince' recommends getting bad stuff done quickly rather than stretch it out, with the thinking that although people may dislike thd bad stuff happening (the lay offs) at least once done , they can forget about and carry on with normal life. Rather than live in fear of further bad stuff occurring in the future. He recommends good things to be stretched out over time, as people soon get used to improved conditions and want more
Having worked in solar and wind power site development permitting, it makes sense for Tesla to offload new supercharger site development to 3rd parties, saving money for Tesla to develop better self-driving, robotaxis, low-cost EV, AI, robots, energy storage, etc. Hiring back a few key people helps Tesla sell sites in development to Revel and BP energy.
"Having worked in solar and wind power site development permitting,..." Way to go, ruining millions of acres of viewsheds (usually untouched by older energy development) and making bird/bat flyways lethal - while virtue-signaling about "saving the planet". Nuclear power could prevent a lot of future energy sprawl.
I work on the cyber line and they cut a lot of good workers there too. The sad thing was that it was practically random who got cut. One guy I was training just started and was a great worker learning very fast and wanting to work his way up. Got cut in his first week there had done nothing wrong. I also saw other hard-working people for years there that got cut. Then I see a lot of the typical slackers at work stay. To me I think that a lot of the cuts are to scare the workers to realize they have to work hard or they'll be tossed aside. Which now everyone runs around afraid they'll lose their job if they sit down for a minute.
As a Tesla investor and an avid fan of the products I am VERY dismayed to hear that slackers remain employed. Elon professes to value competence and hard work above all else. It seems as though your manager is not inline with Elon. Please consider Emailing Elon directly about the slackers in your department.
Is the work as dangerous as many former employees claim?
@ahhmm5381 yes and no ig. I can't speak for the past and or other lines as I only work in cyber but, it took 3 or more months to just get a couple of fans. I say or more cause I've been here for 3 months. We were told it's not in the budget. When in our part of the factory it ranges from whatever it gets to outside in Texas. This is due to there being no AC since there's still a hole in our part of the building. Which is fine ig but fans aren't that expensive like we were asking for 3-5 100-150$ fans. Tesla made 20 billion in profit in 2022 I think they can afford that 🙃
I was talking to a guy that's worked here for 2 years and he was talking about a pregnant lady who passed out on the line. The management came over and told them to move her to the side so the line can keep moving. Yeah they probably got help but the priority didn't seem like their livelihood but profit/production. I think I would have been better to approach why they passed out in the first place to prevent further things happening like that. We've also been told we're not allowed to sit down on our 12-hour shifts even if the buffer is full and the line isn't moving. They also have us running on a skeleton crew so we don't have people to cover when some are absent. It's all dumb and clearly exploitative. Ever since the 10% cuts everyone is scared to lose their job and it's causing more to leave for other work. I could go on but I need sleep for my next shift tomorrow 🙃
Interesting. Good to hear this perspective from someone inside the company. There are usually better motivators than fear.
scare the shit out of your workforce and they will work harder in the short term. I dont like it. I wish Musk would just accept a little loss in productivity as business as usual. long-term all these layoffs could really hurt tesla. especiallys since sales have suffered because musk cannot stop ranting about completely unimportant topics on X. for example, Tesla probably lost billions in market cap because musk had to beef with disney and taylor swift. seriously WTF? argue with the two most popular things with in the world particularly with women who already are not buying enough teslas. we dont need musk off fighting pointless culture wars. we need him to stop being so frantic and all over the map. he needs to stay in his lane. trying to solve every percieved problem with a tweet completely ruined the tesla brand. these people lost their jobs because musk cannot calm the fuck down.
Cleanerwatt, This is fantastic! I subscribed because I love it!
Whoop, whoop Elon knows what he's doing. The laid off workers should be glad they are helping Elon's company succeed.
Assuming there were such severe issues the problem is that it all happened on Elons watch. As the CEO it’s ultimately his responsibility to make sure the company is executing effectively. Letting something slip so badly it has to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch isn’t good. Maybe he should spend more time with Tesla or hand of some responsibilities to someone else. Similar to Gwyn Shotwell at SpaceX.
Why don't Tesla just oursource that part of the business (e.g. to Chargepoint)?
Makes sense.👌
You have to run power to the chargers, it doesn't matter if its a level 2 or a 3, you need permits and time to dig/trench. The reason they can do it in
This makes a ton of sense. I've been wondering why I have yet to see a V4 supercharger & have yet to have paid $ to charge at a destination charger. Weren't they supposed to introduce a metering program for that?? Maybe we'd see more L2 Tesla chargers if the team was able to execute faster.
Many in the Supercharger team have been rehired and Tesla is leaning on and using more subcontractors.
They spelled productivity wrong, it's spelled profitization. 2:07
profitization*
@@coltonmccormack8978 Yea that's what I typed, it must have been the automatic spell check, it couldn't possibly be me that got it wrong. 😇
They’re essentially the same thing.
Is profit bad?
Companies need profits to stay around. I think mother nature would prefer that Tesla remains profitable. Their margins are not that fat anymore.
You did a good job of explaining the overall Supercharger group dynamic / problem. Almost impossible to do any better without disclosure of proprietary information by Tesla, si thats that.
It shoul;d also be considered that all of these wonderful domestic auto suppliers that have signed on to supercharger use have also just slashed all [production of EVs in the US for who knows how long??
If the department was inefficient, fire everyone, rehire the managers who would agree with the new business model, rehire the techs who had good metrics.
Seems like if Tesla can install ports say 5 at a time as a unit then the installation time should take a heck of a lot less time per station. From what I understand the costs involved are way way out of the realm of getting a return on investment
Thank-you! Great show as always. Scary folks to work for - off with their heads! Note that some of Elon's people last forever, and hopefully the good ones get hired back. RCH
If you can get through the process of getting permits within 24 days to install a charging system that's pretty good. I am sure the municipalities are the largest hold up, I'm not sure that those word are true.
To understand you need to ponder a post-Robotaxi world: why waste your time at a charger when you can just rotate to a fresh one. Waiting at a charger is for the cars downtime, not yours.
There is nothing wrong Elon has thought it all out.
In China, they swap out battery packs, probably a rip-off like with propane tanks but suckers do it.
There solar install time takes just as long. Inefficient.
I'm glad that we have a "Kündigungsfrist" in germany ;). I'm at Senior level in my company and if they want to fire me they have to tell me 4 months in advance. They could kick me out without that but they would have to pay me for 4 more months. It's ok to fire staff but the way elon does it is just insane. I'm saying this as a fan of Elon, Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink and as someone who already bought several Teslas. The way he does it is just wrong. In this massive growth plan of Tesla there should never be such a extreme need to fire people in such a scale. He's also not doing good PR for Tesla with this... everyone knows that a job at Tesla is far from safe.
Unfortunately this is the way tech companies behave. Entire departments get fired via an email far too often these days, this combined with pitiful retirement packages makes future planning for workers difficult for sure.
Do you know if there was a compensation package after the layoffs?
@@majorsten 2 full months of pay with full cobra benefits was shared publicly for all the cut folks from tesla.
6 months in the US, and it's backed by the Gov, so if a company goes under, people still get paid. Tesla is big and not going under so they have to pay for the unemployment they create. They also gave a 2 month full pay and benifits severance bonus I believe.
In some states benefits are compounded by food aid cash and other services available to the unemployed.
This is why Tesla is dismantling the German auto industry.
I fully agree. It's even in his Walter's book stating how this isn't something new and elon's done it before and other CEOs but since he is in the spotlight all the time it's big news. Stating rule of thumb to help areas flourish you need to wipe the Slate clean and then higher 10% back and what she did with Twitter which is now performing at optimal level what's 10%( Elan stating he could even do less). What's saying what happened with Past Times and also Twitter I can see why he would make this move, common sense.
A friend of mine that owns a business of 26 people just did the same thing, and result the product took 2 weeks and 26 people, then had a revelation, fired everyone and brought back five people and now it takes 5 - 7 days for the same exact process.
Real reasons are shocking, and it’s happened
Needed to lay off just one more person
And who would that be?
@@tommornini2470 Duh!
@@davidsoom1551 The best CEO of all time? 🤷♂️
all this could have been said in 1-2minutes!
Typical fanboy hype, lies and exaggerations.
Did you see the video showing the chargers without their cables - all stolen- Site was up and running the next day, even without the charger team!!
Great video as always. People who have their own business will understand this is a tough decision need to be made, business world is never a rainbow fantasy where everything is perfect and great. It’s constantly at war, the competition is crazy especially for global business. Those who left Tesla, I feel bad they lost their job but I wont be worrying for them because Tesla ex employee is highly desirable by other companies, so they will not have problem moving on.
Tesla executives are selling huge amounts of their stock.
Keep removing parts until you have to add parts back.
No electric car is the best car.
Tesla is there to make money for its owners, I suppose its up to them how they go about making that happen. On saying that disgruntled workers often do not work to the best of their abilities.
The failure of the Federal government to treat Tesla fairly in the latest grants probably pissed Elon off too. As well there has been the way some states have treated business property with increased rates ,taxes and paperwork. Why would you build charge stations only to treated as a government cash cow and held hostage for providing a service,
Tesla is making bank off the government. I don’t understand where this anger you are talking about would come from.
Be cause he’s a business man before humanity
i think it is poor management.
If Tesla is poorly managed, the world needs more poor management.
Good management is having overpaid politized Union workers making irrelevant products, and when about to bankrupt use tax payer money to get a bail out.
Do you mean the charging team, or Tesla Corp as a whole?
I think so too, but I also think tesla wasn't gonna come close to becoming successful too
I think Elon handled the super charger team poorly if reports are correct. Firing everyone, then rehiring some of them
So a contractor, doing the same, was much faster. Amazon opened up their warehouse and distribution network possible to stay competitive.
China allowed Tesla to come into the country (plants with 100% Tesla ownership). And now seems the same for FSD.
Looking back I remember a company owner who was waiting 3-6 months until the head of a unit was put after the most recent one had left, got promoted etc. That makes sense because their job is mid term operation. For tasks between 3-24 months. The day to day business has to be done by the people in the unit (without needing a supervisor).
The most interesting story I was told must have happened 30-50 years ago at a large German company (Oberschwaben). Their cranes you can see e.g. at the SpaceX rocket ports. The founder and boss (managing owner), lets call him Hans, had the impression a unit was not doing well under the current supervisor (called "Meister"; a unit of maybe 20-50 people).
When the head came to work on the following day, his 'in the hall office' was not there anymore. He looked very strange. Instead of this he met Hans who was telling him, I can't see work for you in my Company.
So the supercharger business of Tesla has been running poorly over the past year+? I never heard anything reported about that here or elsewhere.
Firing them speaks volumes about Tesla’s future.
He rehired a number of employees. So this was probably one of those corporate events where to avoid lawsuits in firing people, the entire organization is eliminated and then people are selectively re-hired. I've seen local companies do the same thing, and it also allows the company to re-sign the employee under a new employment contract with new wording.
He was trying to save $millions (meanwhile pillaging Tesla Shareholder pushing for a $56 Billion personal bonus).
@@Battleneter That personal bonus $56B was blocked by that judge because it was in the aftermath musk makiing comments of working with that disgruntled disney investor buying control of disney. The current govt doesn't want disney to turn into another twitter free speech platform especially since disney owns ABC national broadcast television, various cable channels, various radio stations, print media subsidiaries, etc.
@@Battleneter You mean the PERFORMANCE based pay package from 2018 that IF he hit all milestones he would still have to hold them for 5 years. Not to mention 73% of shareholders vote yes on it but some judge said "nah i hate elon, this too much". There's no gaming this. If Elon gets it the shareholders gets a ton themselfs. But please stay ignorant, do not look at history of the stock and facts.
Looks like a simple pull back in available capital as high interest rates force back expansion. Probably a Board Decision as well. Either way as the US economy which is clearly slowing down now starts to throw up for sale signs everywhere and for everything the value of expanding this side of the Tesla Enterprise will become overwhelmingly apparent as there are simply too much of everthing being produced right now but especially so overwhelmingly so battery electric cars. In order to make that glut "work" means a far more massive effort at building out charging infrastructure in the USA than has been currently done. All eyes on GM in the meantime.
Also Elon, give me a 56 billion payout
My only problem was that there was no one assigned to communicate with Telsa’s partners in installing NCS superchargers level 2 or 4.
It is a matter of trust. How can someone trust Tesla to partner with going forward. Going forward it is going to be a higher risk to convince the executive management of your company to partner with Tesla based on Elon’s/Telsa’s actions.
Elon kept those maintenance folks keeping the chargers running with a goal on no downtime.
Also the technology of FSD and the Tesla Bot is fairly impressive so that will help on the licensing of FSD with other OEMs and deploying the Tesla Bot to help in manufacturing. It is just the Elon’s actions in this case at Tesla may hinder or slow future partnerships with OEMs. We shall see.
While it is hard for people fired or laid off (been fired and laid off at previous jobs myself) that is a valid business decision for the health of the business and hopeful will help in Tesla’s future growth. As I said communication about what is going on with current partners is my only criticism of Elon’s and Tesla’s actions.
Dear Cleanerwatt, it shows that you have never run a large biz and do not see the importance of how to wire and keep only the best.
‘Wire’ probably must be ‘hire’
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that 100% of Tesla’s charging staff was ‘not the best’.
If so, Musk should probably also fire 100% of his HR staff responsible for hiring those charging staff, wouldn’t you agree?
Yep, Elon is a lazy sociopath.
So you feel sorry for the charger team losing their jobs. Well I enjoyed your content with my AdBlock in place
I think the V4 delay is caused by engineering issues with developing an 800v NACS plug. The NACS design is light and small, but moving above 600v rating for any plug connector opens a whole can of worms with safety, codes and agency approvals.
Are the V4 chargers supposed to be 800v? I thought they were going to stay 400v but have a higher peak wattage of 350kW. Maybe I am wrong though.
You don't understand electrical engineering. Voltage is independent of wire gauge. At fixed power the higher the voltage the thinner is the needed wire.
@@kazedcat Voltage is potential or pressure. The higher voltage requires thicker installation. NACS is very compact which makes it difficult to insulate. Any voltage over 600v falls into a whole different world of certifications.
@@andyfeimsternfei8408 Electricity is not water. To get higher insulation you use a better insulator. 1kV doesn't even need exotic insulators
@@kazedcat I guess you know more than me, 44 years as an electrical engineer working with medium and high voltage systems. It so wonderful to be educated by UA-cam experts like you. Thank you!
I’m not surprised that a small team of 500 struggled to support an infrastructure of thousands of new and existing chargers spread across the US. The energy team was also spread thin before having to take over supercharging too. Not surprised that Tesla had to hire some fired employees back and time will tell the efficacy of this move.
This video quoted Reuters who characterised the whole issue as a brain snap by Elon.
This video then gave a justification, but REUTERS didn’t do that, they just threw mud. They have been on a roll lately on Tesla.
The Reuters article was sourced from interviews with laid off supercharger team employees. The opinions and speculation are the interviewees’ which are obviously going to be biased against Tesla.
@@kabob21 Biased opinion which Reuters was more than happy to amplify and syndicate.
No pain no gain!! Sucks for those that got let go but we need Supercharger installations to speed up.
Can’t really travel in northern BC yet. McBride and Chetwynd and Smithers and Terrace and Fort St John all NEED Tesla Superchargers if you want EV adoption here.
Even here in Vancouver, it seems there are very few Tesla chargers (despite there being _so_ many Teslas!). If Tesla wants ownership of their vehicles to spread beyond people who own detached houses they're going to have to install more public charging stations in both rural and urban areas.
Cleanerwatt,,,,,i feel sorry for you too, But.....Your fired !
Yes. What a ridiculous effort. I finally unsubscribed.
"You're"
@@OnlyPenguian you're right..... I'm fired too!
I would bet that someone wrote that email or tweet for him. Dripping sugar and crocodile tears.
While I understand " doing what needs to be done ". I wonder how Elon would feel if the board fired him. 🤔 why is it that too often, good people are treated like numbers, and not held in value, while some lazy , or otherwise crap people are not ?
No one is "owed" a job. It is a function of supply, demand and efficiency. We all applaud reasonably priced and high quality goods and services but sometimes whine at the manner in which they are provided. We are all cutting corners in this economy. That includes businesses.
Not me, I am smarter and know how to live.
Well, maybe this makes sense. Maybe.
If streamlined efficiency is crucial for success and growth (which often it is), then company culture needs to pursue those fundamentals every day.
Within Tesla, is this what happens? Or ... is it only Elon going on a periodic tear to wipe clean whole units?
To build serious commitment to crucial fundamentals (lean, streamlined efficiency), you've got to be working on it every day.
Sounds like Elon doesn't understand that part. If you want it that way, then work it. Work it.
Periodic purges means you haven't been working it. This is an indictment of your organizational building style. See it. Fix that part.
They need money. Simple.
Rocking chair employees need not apply-----
I guarantee Elon told key people I am going to fire everybody, but I'm gonna bring you back later this way.There are no hard feelings everybody gets fired.You guys come back😅
Originally Tesla HAD to install the Superchargers to support Tesla and their owners. With EVERY automobile manufacturer switching to the NACs charger it is not Tesla's responsibility to provide Superchargers for every electric car in the World. How about BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Kia etc. putting in NAC chargers?
Plus, as I've said elsewhere, even Tesla got the message that (apparently) there would be thousands of vehicles from other brands being built with the NACS connector and compatible with the Tesla network, that was incentive to ramp. Surely plans were "scaled to fit the requirement".
Let's say for the sake of argument there were projected to be .... 500,000 "other brand" vehicles expected, plus 250,000 Tesla's, and Tesla calculated that ... 20,000 chargers (guess) would both serve those vehicles and be profitable.
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Then 4 months after Ford said "We're in!!!" First Ford, then others started pulling back.
Suddenly, Tesla is building units that may only get 20% of expected use.
That might make the whole network unprofitable.
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Elon crunches the numbers and realises that the existing numbers, plus projected upgrades and jobs in progress fit the immediate requirement.
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Next question?
WHY did Tesla Management not see the data, and if they did, why wasn't action taken? (Including talking to him)
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Seems likely to me.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Pure speculation, but yeah: seems plausible. Which case, entirely justifiable.
But Elon has followed up with announcements Tesla's Supercharger network growth will continue pretty much unabated, which undercuts this argument. And the message it sends to employees - even if unintended - is incredibly bad for them, and for Tesla.
I find your argument persuasive
But if it's correct - & I suspect it is - there's still the problem of the message it sends. This will cost Tesla strategic assets, important people. It's one more instance of Elon being ignorant of how he affects other people. So maybe he wasn't just a jerk, but he still looks like he was a jerk.
I WANT Elon as CEO!
But he rarely acts like one. And his behaviour risks his hold on the role, and his control of the firm. He's his own worst enemy.
It's WAR & He doesn't get it
Wall Street investment management funds AND the media AND significant parts of the government: they've declared WAR on Elon. They'll be underhanded, conniving, ruthless & crooked. But they'll bring him down. And he keeps giving them ammunition & opportunity to do it.
Sheesh it's a wild ride with this firm...
As a Tesla investor, I liked the idea of Tesla owning all the stations and having them as a wonderful income stream.
it is dumb. when Sony decided to stop making their own chip for Playstation, they didn't just fire everyone, they use those engineer to trade for better price with AMD, AMD would sell Sony the chip they need and take over the IP and staff of the computer hardware division. Sony end up with major cost cutting no one is left out in the dried, and AMD has a bunch of new toys to play with.
the fact that there is demand for EV chargers mean it would make great sense to spinoff the division to another company. providing Tesla with an alliance and keeping Tesla center to the EV network. it is stupid to just abandon the business.
Yes, lord Musk never does wrong. Got it.
This happens all the time in defense contracting. A new company can come in and underbid the existing supplier, but without having any employees to do the work. So they will bid 10% lower for the contract and win it. So one Friday they tell the employees "hey guys, theres a new Sheriff in town - if y'all want to come back on Monday you're welcome, we appreciate you, people are our greatest asset! BTW if you do show up Monday you are agreeing to a 15% pay cut and all your vacation days are gone you start over at zero. And you will pay for your own coffee."
So the top performers, the 5% who do 33% of the total job - they get pissed, they always have offers outstanding just because of their reputation, they just go take one of them and get a pay raise. The 70% of the office who does average work, they come back and eat the pay cut but are pissed and start circulating resumes. So over 6 months or so they all leave and now no one knows how to do the job. Then the remaining few, the least effective people, the guys who are nice but need someone to hold their hand for every task, they get pissed, but they suck it up cause they cant find another job. So end result - government pays 10% less than they used, but get 60% less production for the money, and there is no one there with the experience to fix the unusual, complicated problems that come along.
Same will happen to Elon
If somebody fired me and ask me to come back I would ask for double my last salary.
And they would withdraw their job offer. Easy.
I'm sure they would say no to that. 😂😂
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