junk bot "even when" he has no leg to stand on. I often agree with him (more so than not) but he is the type of person that can argue convincingly even when he is completely wrong. he is a gifted orator.
I agree with Colin. As a Trump supporter i would respect a protest with a clear message. All these riots and crying and violence wont mean anything. It makes it worse and created more Trump supporters
Protests with a clear message would be ideal. But having attended the womens march, which admittedly had a less clear focus, it was far from a riot and was overwhelmingly peaceful. That's important context, I believe.
erick villagrana I agree. I am not a trump supporter but when I see these "protesters" destroying property I think "well I'm not one of those people" and makes me want to defend trump supporters and even vote for the guy next time. this reaction has just secured trump another term.
honestly...it's hard to keep calm when trump supporters keep calling me names and being openly racist to me. I didn't feel wanted in this country before, Trump gets elected and all of the sudden the worst that America has to offer comes afloat. Everyday I see trump supporters ignoring all the aweful shit trump is doing or has done, not to mention that I have to do an almost insane effort at making sure that not all of you are bad people. But even if you aren't racists and hateful, you still decided to look the other side and put a man in office that is empowering all of these bigots.
I agree that protests without a focal point are ineffective, but I happen to believe it takes years of unfocused protests to boil down issues until one takes precedence. The problem is that Trump's chaotic manner creates rampant issues to be protested. So many, in fact, that when everyone is out protesting simultaneously about their issue, it "feels" unfocused. What you want is a president that only starts one fire a time and instead we have a president that is a political mass arsonist (to steal from a recent CNN article I read). If everyone protesting chose just one topic to protest, they'd 1) not be voting with their heart/conscience as Colin likes to say and 2) they'd probably be missing the ten other things Trump's done that week that deserve to also be called out. This is the fundamental problem with information overload. It's easy to look back to the 60's and say that protesters knew what they were doing back then. Sure, maybe, but in reality they had less information to go on and they also had presidents who actually gave a fig about how what they did looked to their constituents. Trump doesn't care. He does what he does and he just so happens to enrage people on a daily basis with daily statements or decisions that all are equally worthy of attention. And because we have all this insta-information, it's really easy for masses of people to be upset. What Colin (and you) essentially want is for everyone to agree that certain issues NOT get protested because issues YOU decide are worthy are more worthy than what others want. That's not going to work. What's going to work is quite simply a society change where society values truth versus the convenient, comfortable lie. Don't count on that coming any time soon.
Agreed. Also, you need to have actively attempt to reach people and change minds. One of my biggest criticisms of a women's march (peaceful as it may have been) was that they turned away swathes of pro-life marchers because they thought that it would undermine their message. The original intention, however, was to march against Trump's appointment, not for planned parenthood. Speaking with a history of professional protesting in my family (teamsters) and participating in some myself, not everyone agrees on everything at a picket line. The idea is that you agree on ONE thing. That one thing unites you. Instead, they essentially gave up voices and made enemies out of people who could have been allies. That's the opposite of the goal. Honestly, this particular screw up happens a lot with people who have no experience exercising their right to protest or a disorganized message.
I agree with you to a degree. That is one way for an issue to become a clear focus by essentially boiling to the top through continued outrage, but to your other point: that's the benefit of having organizers. You need a clear focus in order for a protest to be effective and not simply cathartic (or even potentially off-putting to people who could've be allies.) A figurehead or greater organization in general, help to get that one-topics-focus quicker. They make that decision on what fire to put out first or they snuff it at the source (loved that analogy by the way: mass political arsonist).
You have the right to protest, but people also have the right to call your protest stupid. That's what freedom of speech is. I think majority of the protests on the left are stupid, because they go beyond just freedom of speech.
I've been watching your videos since the Steve Jobs Conversation with Colin four years ago when this channel was still gameovergreggy--I'm 19, and I've basically grown up with this channel. The ways which this has screwed me up are yet to be seen (mostly kidding about that), but watching your videos and watching this channel grow has made me a more involved and compassionate person. Colin's passion has inspired me to learn and to study History and Government and to be unafraid to hold our government to a certain standard and form my own opinions when parties and voices and issues are telling me to believe one way or one way only. Thank you guys for making these videos, for your passion, and for continually discussing these things from your multiple perspectives--I think it makes a difference with people here.
You want to know one major thing that will fix the country? Stop with the gotcha politics! The woman made a mistake and she owned up to it. This belief that we all should be perfect and if there is a slip up when the cameras are on us 24 hours a day is unreasonable.
Sérgio Freitas And? She still acknowledged the mistake elsewhere. To be honest, when I heard about two terrorist being arrested in Bowling Green, my natural assumption was that there was a terrorist attack. And I live no less than 30 minutes from there! Now if she was continue to argue the point, then she's certainly deserving of ridicule. But when we live in a society where people can't be wrong without showing some form of weakness, that only encourages people to bunker up in their mentalities and with their team. If people are so defensive, they aren't going to listen to whatever you say because if they were to acknowledge you might have a point, then they are inviting further attacks.
+Sérgio Freitas well while you focus on petty shit people are "protesting" and hurting people but all liberals do is cry wolf. "Trump is racist", "the immigration ban", "not my president". It's tiring why people care so much about petty shit like that. If you want to make a difference than go out to the streets and voice your option not talk behind a fucking computer screen.
Luke Crawford And do it with respect and consideration to others. For so many people to call Milo, a gay Jew, a Nazi, simply demonstrates how insane the left has been driven by Trump's election. When you are destroying property and beating up people, you only drive people in the middle away.
I just want to let you guys know that for every person posting one negative comment, there are thousands and thousands of people watching and enjoying your guy's content, appreciating the type person that each of you are. TIM, your not just some nintendo fanboy and never listen to anyone telling you your opinion is in anyway invalid or flawed. COLIN, your insight and well-thought answers are backed with fair reason, and I really appreciate this. GREG, you're compassionate, hilarious and charismatic, you include your viewers and man can you carry a conversation. NICK, I couldn't fathom how anyone could ever say a bad word about you, you perfect human being you. Finally KEVIN, I don't know too much about mixing audio or anything about managing a set, but your work comes off to me as professional. I know you all know this, but love you guys
Before Trump was elected, and even after, I was one of the far left people Colin is describing. My opinion was "if you're voting for Trump, you're against me and all people like me." And though there are still times where I feel very disenfranchised by Trump's administration (I'm queer as fuck yo) I have begun to understand that those types of exclusionary tactics don't really help anyone. The average person that voted for Trump was voting for what they thought was best, and I can respect that. They have different core values than me, and I can also respect that. My own parents, who are loving and do not care that I am gay AND trans, voted for Donald Trump, and I know that they were not doing so maliciously. The idea of "with us or against us" only makes the moderate person feel pushed away. In order to accomplish anything, you must have patience and compassion for other people. My mom isn't gay, and therefore, it's not the foremost thought in her mind when choosing a candidate. I can respect that. She is a small business owner who believed that Trump would make her life easier when it comes to taxes and such. I can also respect that. She isn't some monster because she voted for him. And like Nick said, Trump is a product of all that came before him. He wouldn't have won this race if it weren't for the polarized state of our politics (imo). Take some time to be compassionate and try to understand where the other side(s) are coming from. I think that's the only way forward.
Trump is the most pro LGBT+ President ever elected including all Democrat ones. One of the reasons he wants to prevent Islamist is because how intolerant they're of the LGBT+ community. If Islamists have their way you'll be thrown of a building. How Progressivism brainwashed you into thinking Islamist and LGBT+ are friends is beyond comprehension.
Not all Muslim people are anti-LGBT. That's like saying all Christians are anti-LGBT; there are some that are, and some that are not. I can't comment on whether Trump himself is LGBT friendly, but having Pence as his vice president definitely rubbed me the wrong way. Either which way, though, I think Trump has some things to offer our country, just like any other president.
MR Purple I'm not aligning myself with the left. I think that the extreme left is just as irresponsible and hate mongering as the far right. The "muslim ban" definitely targeted country's with high Muslim populations--whether it was actually directed as Muslims, I guess we don't know.
One of my favorite things about you guys is that when Politics is brought up, you all set the stage for Colin and then get out of his way. This is fantastic. You guys do a great job at knowing what each other's strengths are.
+boof's2cents And you're apparently a stalker, because I'm getting like half a dozen messages from you in quick succession, from all different Kinda Funny videos, lying about Islam and playing down the mass crimes of so-called refugees. It's weird that you'd call me a best friend that people didn't want to see, but you only don't want to see me because I don't perpetuate your lies about the 'religion of peace'.
Colins parts were as always some of the most insightful to me. I also appreciate the discussion Nick had towards the end about taking extra moments to think about what you want to say before you say it in response to anyone you might disagree with. I am an independent myself but this is something I have always tried to do. Unfortunately sometimes people still chew me out but occasionally I get the rational adults willing to listen to what I have to say since I presented it in a kind informative way not in a condescending belittling way. Honestly if people did that constructive way of communication more we would be in a better place. I have corrected people sharing false or misleading information on facebook and because of my approach they kindly took it down and contacted me directly thanking me for doing so.
Great segment! Thank you to all of you at Kinda Funny! This is a message that really needs to be heard, on both sides! Thank you to the best friends that took Nick's advice! We can do this, America can do this!
Colin, I love that you expanded upon you're views of protests. Violent, destructive protests hurt the cause, but peaceful protest is and essential part of our democracy.
these are by far the BEST topics you guys cover. Hearing all your thoughts on this subject is enlightening and many young viewers need open minds and thoughts of action ( Colin). thanks a million gang👍
Colin has one of the Greatest thought processes of our time. The middle ground is the best way to go. Political division will never have a good outcome no matter what party wins.
Colin, combined with Nick, make great conversations and input. You might say negatives when Colin speaks, but together they have a fantastic way to put things as they are, and demonstrate and suggest an approach. I agree with them wholeheartedly
Shout out to Nick! Of course I love listening to Colin on these types of topics due to his passion and knowledge, but I find Nick as level headed when discussing these types of things. Keep it up!
Totally agree with Colin, as a resident of NYC Mike Bloomberg was the moderate republican that is independently wealthy, actually has good business sense and the experience of running the biggest city in the world. He's the different type of candidate that most of America needed in this decisive election where most people didn't like either choice.
I wonder what Colin thinks of Jason Schreier from Kotaku supporting violence against people he disagrees with (even if the person he disagrees with wasn't committing violence themselves).
WingedSoda is America the rebel alliance in that metaphor? does that mean we need to blow up the death star to find peace and unity? so we need to destroy ISIS to unite people? I don't know what the modern death Star would be, either way I lol'd
JD Marshall I was thinking that the protesters would be the Rebels and that they wouldn't have a united message to rebel against until the Trump administration or some foreign terror group does something so disastrous to unite their fight.
This is really, genuinely important to watch. I catch myself, being more centre-left, really frustrated with Trump supporters based on what's happening in the country. That being said, my local area clearly supported Trump, and even members in my own family did. I know they are good people. I just want people to talk, like actually talk to each other in person. It's easy to lose context or a genuine message on twitter or youtube, which creates a toxic atmosphere. We need to come together.
Yes KF. Please keep spreading the message. It takes time to chip away the rocks of people's hearts. You guys helped me open my eyes. I hope you can do that to other people too.
Hi Colin, I appreciate the passion and concern that you have on the lack of civility and cooperation among fellow Americans in the aftermath of this election. You feel that there is a reasonable third way in politics and I can get behind it in theory. My question to you is what is the center of politics? What positions reach out to the middle of the political spectrum? When polls reveal a certain % of people to be moderate/independent, it's not clear on what it means for one to be moderate. For a certain section of polls, a "moderate" is defined as someone who can have extremely liberal position like full legalization of all drugs and extremely conservative position like most taxes are eliminated altogether all because one is not ideologically consistent or heavily partisan on either side. I am genuinely curious to see you define what policies and politicians are in the middle center of American politics in a future episode as the viability of such positions and figures. Also, would you emphasizing the center as rational to be perpetuating things like Very Serious People and both sides are extreme and the truth is in the middle fallacy? I'm not saying whether it is true or not in your case. Just wondering whether that is something to consider when espousing positions or perspectives that are assumed to be "rational" and "reasonable" which under greater scrutiny could bear far greater ideological principles and assumptions than one would otherwise thought. Great segment overall. Glad that both you and the rest of the Kinda Funny crew are discussing politics in the manner that you do. You all have strong positions but seem to respect one another and seek for better discussions and a better world for all. Appreciate and value that sentiment. I wish you all the best in the future. P.S. Colin for as much as I disagree with you fundamentally on numerous issues. I feel assured that you come from a place of sincerity and thoughtfulness which comes across in your video series and your writing. If nothing else, it gives me an opportunity to think and reflect upon my core beliefs and worldview. I wouldn't have any other way. Thanks Colin and take care.
Very thought provoking. Don't listen to the Twitter echo chamber, keep speaking politics, keep educating people like me. Even as an Australian, it speaks to me. Keep it up.
What's funny is there are parallels to this in the "console wars" where gamers move forward together when they put their preferences aside, but those too stupid would stay loving one side while hating the rest. They wouldn't be able to get along the way Tim gets along with Greg and Colin. When someone is calling someone a fanboy of something, that's an extreme person dividing our country.
It's easy to praise Colin in this topics, because he's fucking awesome at them. But mad props to Nick, Tim and Greg, they all bring something different to the table, and it helps to make the topics more engaging.
Colin is right, we need a moderate party willing to talk about issues with some nuance. Supporters of the Democrats and Republicans need to bring the party leaders more to the middle. It's okay to agree and disagree about issues, there is no one perfect answer.
I don't always agree with some of you guys, that's OK. I fully agree with the message of this episode 100%. Regardless of our political views I still respect and stand by you guys based on your character, integrity, and Intention's. No matter our differences.
Colin is right, we are almost as divided as we were in the 1850's, and to go with Greg's point there will probably have to be another tragic event to close the divide. If you think about the events that followed the 1850's and how tragic they were, then you'd see there's a good chance that is what this country is headed for again. But this time I don't know if there will be a Lincoln to guide us and that is a very scary thought.
I've given Colin a lot of shit before for his views, but his message in this video speaking to the center was much more clear and concise than I've heard before, and I want to say well done sir.
I would point out that the protest haven't been completely ineffective. After all, the Green Card ban was rescinded over the weekend so at least you can point to that as a victory.
Colin and Nick hit the nail right on the head. As a Corbyn/Sanders supporter in the UK, I am embarrassed by much of the regressive left who have become everything they despise
Thing is. You don't want the people on the other side. You want the people without a side. It's kinda like the ice cream scene in Thank You for Smoking
Colin, idk if this counts as extreme, but to answer your question at 6:00, it was radical abolitionists and radical actions by former president Lincoln that got the attention of the south and caused them to secede (also a radical movement). It was also radical of the women to stand for days in winter and rain in front of the white house to get the 19th amendment to pass. It is known as immediatism, and it works, sometimes.
james waka meh, I think hes pretty passive on it, he just shakes his head passively if he doesn't agree on some level, or he tries to argue. Nick on thenother hand, He has a habit of spewing the most rudimentary durrr points because they're the easiest to say. Elongating his explanations by adding 5 too many adjectives and sounding like he's trying to hit the word count on an essay is very difficult to listen to.
"dangity librals and their quest for equality. when demins gonna learn?" So you assumed the top comment was made by a Trump supporter, you act as if we don't have equality yet there are no laws in place that hinder or suffocate minorities. And you wonder why we won?
Jacks II yes but I feel like Nick is capable of forming his own opinion. Tim on the other hand always sounds like his religion is being put into question when someone challenges his political views, that's a very dangerous mind set to have in my opinion.
Colin: "I don't believe in extremism! I don't think it's us or them, I don't think it's Republicans vs Democrats, I don't think there are only two ways forward... so if you are an extremist you are the problem and I don't like you and I wish you would go away and leave us alone. Because it's us versus you." Wait, wut?
Serious question and something I'm curious about: how much of a role does dual party system play in this "us v them" thing? I come from a country with arguably too many parties in the parliament at the moment, but only having two relevant ones seems awfully reductive to me. Especially because the most important issues have more than just two sides.
Not to sure if anyone else has said this, but up here in Canada we have a few different parties that run some have similar stances but non are the same on every issue it works pretty good for us. Not everyone is happy but they tend to work together really well (there is some arguing though). Is there any chance of america ever really having a third or forth part that can have a real chance at the presidency or in any of the other branches of government?
Colin bringing up false equivalencies again. "Why didn't you care about the constitutions then?". Just because you protest something does not mean you have to protest everything. You can have 1 issue that you care about, that doesn't mean that you have to care about every issue.
Actually you are making a false equivalence. Colin's rhetoric does not equal "you should have protested all these issues". What he's saying is that if the reason you are protesting something now is that it's "unconstitutional", then you should've have protested other unconstitutional acts. If only care to protest the immigration ban and not the other issues, than you're almost certainly not protesting the immigration ban because it's unconstitutional.
+Kinda Funny What do you think about Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and his theory of Mutualism? I guess I'm asking Colin in particular. I think it has the potential to find compromise in a lot of situations.
The inaugural protests were important because it was a message to the Trump administration that we the people were united. The diverse message was important because they needed to know that if they discriminated against / took rights away from Americans that they would face a resistance. It was a message of solidarity.
Thank you so much for this you guys. Seriously. I trust you'll continue to do and say what you believe is right regardless of what a person like me says but, if you will, let a comment like this bolster and encourage you.
The best way of fighting against something, is giving an alternative option. Give answers that can please both sides, understand that for each person that thinks like you, someone disagree. Shouting "no to the ban" is great, but what instead?, you need a plan B, where those who feel unsafe and support it, may consider a soft version. Only understanding the person at the other side of the table will get you somewhere.
Are we REALLY in a Republican country? Its hard to take state level voting seriously when Gerrymandering is still legal. Allowing the party in power the ability to reinforce their hold for 10 years, feeds my cynicism.
Colin is right. If the majority of 300,000,000 citizens feel they need to sign up for all in Option A, or all in Option B, we are screwed. We might as well just be separate countries and be done with it. Just write off the Civil War like, "Guess you were right, the north and south won't ever be unified." We can just set up "California, The Republican States of America and New England" and call it a day.
14:25 when Colin prepares his charging statements and speaks exactly how Independents feel. Did I vote for Trump, Yes, does that in some way say I'm equal to him and his thoughts/actions, No. I voted for Trump because this Country needed a shake up in Washington. This Country needed something different and since we are a Country of chances and Freedoms why not take a chance to make an actual change? Colin is 1000% correct on if we stand together we are stronger if we the people feel we're ALL not being represented, but notice how the very Left Liberal member just sat there in denial...
Colin said "if you voted for Bill Clinton you were apparently pro-gay marriage" to discredit "far left" logic but most candidates weren't pro-gay marriage in the 90s. If they were, they were 3rd party, and we know the realities of voting 3rd party. I think Colin is highly underestimating how much the average person has been paying attention to what's going on.
Liberal and conservative actually are mutually exclusive. Conservatism is one thing, _( the tendency towards what is traditional or established)_, and liberalism is anything that isn't that one thing.
Z4RQUON People can have elements of both in their own personal politics. I consider myself to be liberal on a number of social issues but I'm fairly fiscally conservative.
*****: Fiscal policy is not politics. The phrase "fiscal conservative" gets used to change the subject. Liberal and conservatives are alternatives, it is contradictory to be both on the same subject.
Z4RQUON One of the definitions of politics from Merriam Webster states that politics is "the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy." Government policy covers a wide range of subjects, to include social and fiscal issues. So yes, by extension of the definition, being fiscally conservative is included when discussing political leanings.
*****: I get that. What I'm saying is that "fiscal conservatism" is not an alternative to general political liberalism. When people say that, as you did, they're just trying to change the subject.
Hey Colin Moriariy,I've been a fan of you guys since the ign days. I'm a Mexican immigrant, but I don't like being biased. I completely understand all sides of the political and social spectrum. The fact that we're having these conversations means that we're making some sort of progress. I feel we need more rational people in our society to come to a responsible and efficient way to make things work for everyone. There is no left or right. Having a left of right makes America divisive. That's we're we're at. I'm intrigued by what's going on . I want to know your opinion.
Welcome to being a libertarian Collin. The Left hate you for having Right ideas, the right hate you for having a left ideas. Tim I'm very excited to see you grow in these political issue conversations, you now stand somewhere and joining the conversation.
This is awesome that you guys are talking about this. Only in face of extremists do I usually vote defensively (voting for the person's strongest opposition), but generally, I always vote for the politicians that could best represent the whole constituency. They can be republican. They can be democrat. In Massachusetts, when no other democrat could successfully run against the incumbent and pretty imperfect Deval Patrick, I voted Baker. He didn't win then. But, 4 years later after against the MA democratic party's preference, Coakley beat Grossman in the primary, I voted Baker again And I've been very happy with his governance. Right now, the only thing that could persuade me to not vote for Baker next time around is if Newton's Mayor Setti Warren doesn't make it past the primary.
Colin you're fucking awesome. I'm a left-wing person who also criticizes both sides when they pull bullshit. I certainly disagree with you on many subjects, but that just opens a door to learning. To me, it comes down to recognizing that I may not be right. I bet if we had a conversation it would go on for hours with lots of passion, debate, and personal growth. I hope to meet you one day at a time and place where this can happen.
You are absolutely right grajmahal. What a lot of people fail to realise is that it's sometimes old school, balanced, liberals who vote against these new school, unbalanced, liberals. The problem is that the unbalance has been promoted for so long by media and politicians in many countries that the balanced people are now made out to be cold, aloof and out of balance even though they are often old school liberals!
colin talking passionate about something is the most beautiful thing in existence.
Fredrick Stewart He has a gift for talking passionately. even when he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
+DevinAK49: Care to share?
Fredrick Stewart yeah he's really good even when he's completely full of shit lol
You say he has no leg to stand on but you can't explain why
junk bot "even when" he has no leg to stand on. I often agree with him (more so than not) but he is the type of person that can argue convincingly even when he is completely wrong. he is a gifted orator.
I agree with Colin. As a Trump supporter i would respect a protest with a clear message. All these riots and crying and violence wont mean anything. It makes it worse and created more Trump supporters
Protests with a clear message would be ideal. But having attended the womens march, which admittedly had a less clear focus, it was far from a riot and was overwhelmingly peaceful. That's important context, I believe.
erick villagrana I agree. I am not a trump supporter but when I see these "protesters" destroying property I think "well I'm not one of those people" and makes me want to defend trump supporters and even vote for the guy next time. this reaction has just secured trump another term.
erick villagrana why do you support a man who doesn't read any of his own executive orders, who trusts alex jones more than his own administration.
honestly...it's hard to keep calm when trump supporters keep calling me names and being openly racist to me. I didn't feel wanted in this country before, Trump gets elected and all of the sudden the worst that America has to offer comes afloat.
Everyday I see trump supporters ignoring all the aweful shit trump is doing or has done, not to mention that I have to do an almost insane effort at making sure that not all of you are bad people. But even if you aren't racists and hateful, you still decided to look the other side and put a man in office that is empowering all of these bigots.
Alex Jones is a saint.
I just find it funny how some Americans are saying it's stupid to protest, yet their country is independent due, essetially, to a massive protest
I do, however, agree with Colin when he's says if their protesting 10 different thing it's ineffective
I agree that protests without a focal point are ineffective, but I happen to believe it takes years of unfocused protests to boil down issues until one takes precedence. The problem is that Trump's chaotic manner creates rampant issues to be protested. So many, in fact, that when everyone is out protesting simultaneously about their issue, it "feels" unfocused. What you want is a president that only starts one fire a time and instead we have a president that is a political mass arsonist (to steal from a recent CNN article I read).
If everyone protesting chose just one topic to protest, they'd 1) not be voting with their heart/conscience as Colin likes to say and 2) they'd probably be missing the ten other things Trump's done that week that deserve to also be called out.
This is the fundamental problem with information overload. It's easy to look back to the 60's and say that protesters knew what they were doing back then. Sure, maybe, but in reality they had less information to go on and they also had presidents who actually gave a fig about how what they did looked to their constituents. Trump doesn't care. He does what he does and he just so happens to enrage people on a daily basis with daily statements or decisions that all are equally worthy of attention.
And because we have all this insta-information, it's really easy for masses of people to be upset.
What Colin (and you) essentially want is for everyone to agree that certain issues NOT get protested because issues YOU decide are worthy are more worthy than what others want. That's not going to work.
What's going to work is quite simply a society change where society values truth versus the convenient, comfortable lie. Don't count on that coming any time soon.
Agreed. Also, you need to have actively attempt to reach people and change minds. One of my biggest criticisms of a women's march (peaceful as it may have been) was that they turned away swathes of pro-life marchers because they thought that it would undermine their message. The original intention, however, was to march against Trump's appointment, not for planned parenthood.
Speaking with a history of professional protesting in my family (teamsters) and participating in some myself, not everyone agrees on everything at a picket line. The idea is that you agree on ONE thing. That one thing unites you. Instead, they essentially gave up voices and made enemies out of people who could have been allies. That's the opposite of the goal.
Honestly, this particular screw up happens a lot with people who have no experience exercising their right to protest or a disorganized message.
I agree with you to a degree. That is one way for an issue to become a clear focus by essentially boiling to the top through continued outrage, but to your other point: that's the benefit of having organizers.
You need a clear focus in order for a protest to be effective and not simply cathartic (or even potentially off-putting to people who could've be allies.) A figurehead or greater organization in general, help to get that one-topics-focus quicker. They make that decision on what fire to put out first or they snuff it at the source (loved that analogy by the way: mass political arsonist).
You have the right to protest, but people also have the right to call your protest stupid. That's what freedom of speech is. I think majority of the protests on the left are stupid, because they go beyond just freedom of speech.
Spread as much positivty and open mindedness as possible is a good step. (IMO)
Baytuh IMO too
Baytuh break shit, cry loud bc we stand with she, shim, her.
Larry Medina Huh?
Agreed or as jim jefferies said, there should only be one commandment in the bible 'try not to be a cunt'.
whats the point? we are all gonna die anyway
I've been watching your videos since the Steve Jobs Conversation with Colin four years ago when this channel was still gameovergreggy--I'm 19, and I've basically grown up with this channel. The ways which this has screwed me up are yet to be seen (mostly kidding about that), but watching your videos and watching this channel grow has made me a more involved and compassionate person. Colin's passion has inspired me to learn and to study History and Government and to be unafraid to hold our government to a certain standard and form my own opinions when parties and voices and issues are telling me to believe one way or one way only. Thank you guys for making these videos, for your passion, and for continually discussing these things from your multiple perspectives--I think it makes a difference with people here.
By not forgetting the Bowling Green Massacre.
You want to know one major thing that will fix the country? Stop with the gotcha politics! The woman made a mistake and she owned up to it. This belief that we all should be perfect and if there is a slip up when the cameras are on us 24 hours a day is unreasonable.
Damian Yes, a slip up she repeated 3 times to 3 different news outlets.
Sérgio Freitas And? She still acknowledged the mistake elsewhere. To be honest, when I heard about two terrorist being arrested in Bowling Green, my natural assumption was that there was a terrorist attack. And I live no less than 30 minutes from there!
Now if she was continue to argue the point, then she's certainly deserving of ridicule. But when we live in a society where people can't be wrong without showing some form of weakness, that only encourages people to bunker up in their mentalities and with their team. If people are so defensive, they aren't going to listen to whatever you say because if they were to acknowledge you might have a point, then they are inviting further attacks.
+Sérgio Freitas well while you focus on petty shit people are "protesting" and hurting people but all liberals do is cry wolf. "Trump is racist", "the immigration ban", "not my president". It's tiring why people care so much about petty shit like that. If you want to make a difference than go out to the streets and voice your option not talk behind a fucking computer screen.
Luke Crawford And do it with respect and consideration to others. For so many people to call Milo, a gay Jew, a Nazi, simply demonstrates how insane the left has been driven by Trump's election. When you are destroying property and beating up people, you only drive people in the middle away.
I feel like the more the show progresses you can see Tim getting more involved and articulate. It's pretty cool
Aaron Litwiller its great, he has grown the most in the last few years and I like him more and more
I just want to let you guys know that for every person posting one negative comment, there are thousands and thousands of people watching and enjoying your guy's content, appreciating the type person that each of you are. TIM, your not just some nintendo fanboy and never listen to anyone telling you your opinion is in anyway invalid or flawed. COLIN, your insight and well-thought answers are backed with fair reason, and I really appreciate this. GREG, you're compassionate, hilarious and charismatic, you include your viewers and man can you carry a conversation. NICK, I couldn't fathom how anyone could ever say a bad word about you, you perfect human being you. Finally KEVIN, I don't know too much about mixing audio or anything about managing a set, but your work comes off to me as professional. I know you all know this, but love you guys
I'm bummed that youtube doesnt have a "sort by controversial" option
Yeah, the trending feature is blatantly and obviously catered to anti-trump folk. As with Facebook, etc.
They do. Instead of searching by "top comments" search by newest first.
oh boy.
How many times am i gonna hear "here's the thing" this episode?
None if you don't watch. If the way they talk politics annoys you, you don't have to watch.
Jacks II I would love to hear their opinion on current events and politics. Key word "THEIR" , not just Tomi Lahren, my bad, Colin.
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Before Trump was elected, and even after, I was one of the far left people Colin is describing. My opinion was "if you're voting for Trump, you're against me and all people like me." And though there are still times where I feel very disenfranchised by Trump's administration (I'm queer as fuck yo) I have begun to understand that those types of exclusionary tactics don't really help anyone. The average person that voted for Trump was voting for what they thought was best, and I can respect that. They have different core values than me, and I can also respect that. My own parents, who are loving and do not care that I am gay AND trans, voted for Donald Trump, and I know that they were not doing so maliciously.
The idea of "with us or against us" only makes the moderate person feel pushed away. In order to accomplish anything, you must have patience and compassion for other people. My mom isn't gay, and therefore, it's not the foremost thought in her mind when choosing a candidate. I can respect that. She is a small business owner who believed that Trump would make her life easier when it comes to taxes and such. I can also respect that. She isn't some monster because she voted for him. And like Nick said, Trump is a product of all that came before him. He wouldn't have won this race if it weren't for the polarized state of our politics (imo).
Take some time to be compassionate and try to understand where the other side(s) are coming from. I think that's the only way forward.
Trump is the most pro LGBT+ President ever elected including all Democrat ones.
One of the reasons he wants to prevent Islamist is because how intolerant they're of the LGBT+ community. If Islamists have their way you'll be thrown of a building.
How Progressivism brainwashed you into thinking Islamist and LGBT+ are friends is beyond comprehension.
Not all Muslim people are anti-LGBT. That's like saying all Christians are anti-LGBT; there are some that are, and some that are not. I can't comment on whether Trump himself is LGBT friendly, but having Pence as his vice president definitely rubbed me the wrong way.
Either which way, though, I think Trump has some things to offer our country, just like any other president.
MR Purple I'm not aligning myself with the left. I think that the extreme left is just as irresponsible and hate mongering as the far right. The "muslim ban" definitely targeted country's with high Muslim populations--whether it was actually directed as Muslims, I guess we don't know.
"You have no idea what you're fucking talking about" is my favorite Colin M line hahahaha
I always enjoy you guys' content, but the last few weeks have been absolute fire! thank you!
One of my favorite things about you guys is that when Politics is brought up, you all set the stage for Colin and then get out of his way. This is fantastic. You guys do a great job at knowing what each other's strengths are.
from now when colin speaks, zoom in and edit in a bald eagle with the flag swaying 😂
take a shot everytime Colin says "fucking"
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Peter Cho too early in the day to get that sloshed..... unfortunately
Peter Cho or "like" or "ya know?"
*Sigh* It just turned midnight, but I guess I have to watch this too...
Get a job, you fuck.
Chris Dynamo Thanks for the advice :D
+boof's2cents And you're apparently a stalker, because I'm getting like half a dozen messages from you in quick succession, from all different Kinda Funny videos, lying about Islam and playing down the mass crimes of so-called refugees. It's weird that you'd call me a best friend that people didn't want to see, but you only don't want to see me because I don't perpetuate your lies about the 'religion of peace'.
this was a cool discussion, props to all the guys for chiming in this time
Colins parts were as always some of the most insightful to me. I also appreciate the discussion Nick had towards the end about taking extra moments to think about what you want to say before you say it in response to anyone you might disagree with. I am an independent myself but this is something I have always tried to do. Unfortunately sometimes people still chew me out but occasionally I get the rational adults willing to listen to what I have to say since I presented it in a kind informative way not in a condescending belittling way. Honestly if people did that constructive way of communication more we would be in a better place. I have corrected people sharing false or misleading information on facebook and because of my approach they kindly took it down and contacted me directly thanking me for doing so.
Great segment! Thank you to all of you at Kinda Funny! This is a message that really needs to be heard, on both sides! Thank you to the best friends that took Nick's advice! We can do this, America can do this!
Colin, I love that you expanded upon you're views of protests. Violent, destructive protests hurt the cause, but peaceful protest is and essential part of our democracy.
these are by far the BEST topics you guys cover. Hearing all your thoughts on this subject is enlightening and many young viewers need open minds and thoughts of action ( Colin). thanks a million gang👍
Hey Colin, I love you.
#Moriarity2020
Thank you Kinda Funny guys, i feel like these videos are informative, tactful, and respectful. Thanks
I really enjoy when Kinda Funny decides to talk about serious topics. Good job fellas.
Colin has one of the Greatest thought processes of our time. The middle ground is the best way to go. Political division will never have a good outcome no matter what party wins.
Colin, combined with Nick, make great conversations and input. You might say negatives when Colin speaks, but together they have a fantastic way to put things as they are, and demonstrate and suggest an approach. I agree with them wholeheartedly
these topics are so great
Shout out to Nick! Of course I love listening to Colin on these types of topics due to his passion and knowledge, but I find Nick as level headed when discussing these types of things. Keep it up!
Totally agree with Colin, as a resident of NYC Mike Bloomberg was the moderate republican that is independently wealthy, actually has good business sense and the experience of running the biggest city in the world. He's the different type of candidate that most of America needed in this decisive election where most people didn't like either choice.
This is a very good discussion that we should all be having. Thanks guys, you're all awesome.
Best conversation yet! Colin rocks!!
I wonder what Colin thinks of Jason Schreier from Kotaku supporting violence against people he disagrees with (even if the person he disagrees with wasn't committing violence themselves).
Great discussion!! Love these topics. Keep preaching Colin!
An open mind, an open dialogue, research, and PATIENCE. That's how
Colin you are absolute fire in this episode. I'm glad there is finally someone in the middle speaking out. You are the Truth.
Guys the Rebel Alliance was falling apart until Sarif. Just saying.
WingedSoda is America the rebel alliance in that metaphor? does that mean we need to blow up the death star to find peace and unity? so we need to destroy ISIS to unite people? I don't know what the modern death Star would be, either way I lol'd
JD Marshall I was thinking that the protesters would be the Rebels and that they wouldn't have a united message to rebel against until the Trump administration or some foreign terror group does something so disastrous to unite their fight.
Most important quote by Colin: "don't talk about things you don't understand."
Love me some passionate historical context, thanks Colin.
This is really, genuinely important to watch. I catch myself, being more centre-left, really frustrated with Trump supporters based on what's happening in the country. That being said, my local area clearly supported Trump, and even members in my own family did. I know they are good people. I just want people to talk, like actually talk to each other in person. It's easy to lose context or a genuine message on twitter or youtube, which creates a toxic atmosphere. We need to come together.
Yes KF. Please keep spreading the message. It takes time to chip away the rocks of people's hearts. You guys helped me open my eyes. I hope you can do that to other people too.
Great topic! And Bravo Colin, the middle path is definitely the best path.
Hi Colin, I appreciate the passion and concern that you have on the lack of civility and cooperation among fellow Americans in the aftermath of this election. You feel that there is a reasonable third way in politics and I can get behind it in theory. My question to you is what is the center of politics? What positions reach out to the middle of the political spectrum? When polls reveal a certain % of people to be moderate/independent, it's not clear on what it means for one to be moderate. For a certain section of polls, a "moderate" is defined as someone who can have extremely liberal position like full legalization of all drugs and extremely conservative position like most taxes are eliminated altogether all because one is not ideologically consistent or heavily partisan on either side. I am genuinely curious to see you define what policies and politicians are in the middle center of American politics in a future episode as the viability of such positions and figures. Also, would you emphasizing the center as rational to be perpetuating things like Very Serious People and both sides are extreme and the truth is in the middle fallacy? I'm not saying whether it is true or not in your case. Just wondering whether that is something to consider when espousing positions or perspectives that are assumed to be "rational" and "reasonable" which under greater scrutiny could bear far greater ideological principles and assumptions than one would otherwise thought. Great segment overall. Glad that both you and the rest of the Kinda Funny crew are discussing politics in the manner that you do. You all have strong positions but seem to respect one another and seek for better discussions and a better world for all. Appreciate and value that sentiment. I wish you all the best in the future. P.S. Colin for as much as I disagree with you fundamentally on numerous issues. I feel assured that you come from a place of sincerity and thoughtfulness which comes across in your video series and your writing. If nothing else, it gives me an opportunity to think and reflect upon my core beliefs and worldview. I wouldn't have any other way. Thanks Colin and take care.
This conversation was way ahead of its time
Right?! Now kinda funny is saying for people who support Trump shouldn't watch their content, the very thing Colin said you shouldn't do
👏 Colin nailed it again!! And Nick thank you. That is a great message for the internet.
Very thought provoking. Don't listen to the Twitter echo chamber, keep speaking politics, keep educating people like me. Even as an Australian, it speaks to me. Keep it up.
What's funny is there are parallels to this in the "console wars" where gamers move forward together when they put their preferences aside, but those too stupid would stay loving one side while hating the rest. They wouldn't be able to get along the way Tim gets along with Greg and Colin. When someone is calling someone a fanboy of something, that's an extreme person dividing our country.
Guys keep up the great conversation, and work. Agree wholeheartedly! 👍
these protest have been peaceful????? best joke of 2017 at 12:20.
Fantastic topics this week. I like how Colin said that extremes will not be how we get what we want.
I don't think Greg can do an ad without laughing!
It's easy to praise Colin in this topics, because he's fucking awesome at them. But mad props to Nick, Tim and Greg, they all bring something different to the table, and it helps to make the topics more engaging.
If everybody in the world played Knack, all our problems would be solved
Bill Gates could probably run against Trump. Hes successful,rich, infuential, moderate, intelligent. Ill vote for him as a Trump voter supporter
Nick-"these protest have been peaceful so far" yeah alright?
Colin is right, we need a moderate party willing to talk about issues with some nuance. Supporters of the Democrats and Republicans need to bring the party leaders more to the middle. It's okay to agree and disagree about issues, there is no one perfect answer.
When they talk about the definition of insanity, I immediately think of Vaas from farcry 3
I don't always agree with some of you guys, that's OK. I fully agree with the message of this episode 100%. Regardless of our political views I still respect and stand by you guys based on your character, integrity, and Intention's. No matter our differences.
Great discussion from all four of you!
I'm so glad that Colin was in this convo.
Colin is right, we are almost as divided as we were in the 1850's, and to go with Greg's point there will probably have to be another tragic event to close the divide. If you think about the events that followed the 1850's and how tragic they were, then you'd see there's a good chance that is what this country is headed for again. But this time I don't know if there will be a Lincoln to guide us and that is a very scary thought.
I've given Colin a lot of shit before for his views, but his message in this video speaking to the center was much more clear and concise than I've heard before, and I want to say well done sir.
Colin is the man! I wish he'd be a guest on a Libetarian podcast like Dave Smith's Part of the Problem.
I would point out that the protest haven't been completely ineffective. After all, the Green Card ban was rescinded over the weekend so at least you can point to that as a victory.
Damian well they used that as an example of a protest with a specific message done right
GSLAYER007 True, but they seemed to be quite dejected that it didn't do anything. That's why I made the point that it was successful.
Colin and Nick hit the nail right on the head. As a Corbyn/Sanders supporter in the UK, I am embarrassed by much of the regressive left who have become everything they despise
Thing is. You don't want the people on the other side. You want the people without a side. It's kinda like the ice cream scene in Thank You for Smoking
my goal in life is to have as little chill as Colin Moriarty
Colin, idk if this counts as extreme, but to answer your question at 6:00, it was radical abolitionists and radical actions by former president Lincoln that got the attention of the south and caused them to secede (also a radical movement). It was also radical of the women to stand for days in winter and rain in front of the white house to get the 19th amendment to pass. It is known as immediatism, and it works, sometimes.
Tim is a bit of a sheep :/
james waka dangity librals and their quest for equality. when demins gonna learn?
james waka meh, I think hes pretty passive on it, he just shakes his head passively if he doesn't agree on some level, or he tries to argue.
Nick on thenother hand, He has a habit of spewing the most rudimentary durrr points because they're the easiest to say. Elongating his explanations by adding 5 too many adjectives and sounding like he's trying to hit the word count on an essay is very difficult to listen to.
"dangity librals and their quest for equality. when demins gonna learn?" So you assumed the top comment was made by a Trump supporter, you act as if we don't have equality yet there are no laws in place that hinder or suffocate minorities. And you wonder why we won?
And him and Kevin are following each other. Greg even (finally) admitted that Twitter is just one huge echo chamber.
Jacks II yes but I feel like Nick is capable of forming his own opinion. Tim on the other hand always sounds like his religion is being put into question when someone challenges his political views, that's a very dangerous mind set to have in my opinion.
Colin: "I don't believe in extremism! I don't think it's us or them, I don't think it's Republicans vs Democrats, I don't think there are only two ways forward... so if you are an extremist you are the problem and I don't like you and I wish you would go away and leave us alone. Because it's us versus you." Wait, wut?
Says the guy possessed by an alien bug who is oppressing humanity...
Awesome guys... really enjoyed it.
Serious question and something I'm curious about: how much of a role does dual party system play in this "us v them" thing? I come from a country with arguably too many parties in the parliament at the moment, but only having two relevant ones seems awfully reductive to me. Especially because the most important issues have more than just two sides.
Awesome topic guys!
I appreciate these discussions. I agree completely the extremes are the issue.
Thank you for the insight guys.
Great wrap up by Nick!
Not to sure if anyone else has said this, but up here in Canada we have a few different parties that run some have similar stances but non are the same on every issue it works pretty good for us. Not everyone is happy but they tend to work together really well (there is some arguing though). Is there any chance of america ever really having a third or forth part that can have a real chance at the presidency or in any of the other branches of government?
Colin bringing up false equivalencies again. "Why didn't you care about the constitutions then?". Just because you protest something does not mean you have to protest everything. You can have 1 issue that you care about, that doesn't mean that you have to care about every issue.
Actually you are making a false equivalence. Colin's rhetoric does not equal "you should have protested all these issues". What he's saying is that if the reason you are protesting something now is that it's "unconstitutional", then you should've have protested other unconstitutional acts. If only care to protest the immigration ban and not the other issues, than you're almost certainly not protesting the immigration ban because it's unconstitutional.
+Kinda Funny What do you think about Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and his theory of Mutualism? I guess I'm asking Colin in particular. I think it has the potential to find compromise in a lot of situations.
Great perspective in this video
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with Colin
The inaugural protests were important because it was a message to the Trump administration that we the people were united. The diverse message was important because they needed to know that if they discriminated against / took rights away from Americans that they would face a resistance. It was a message of solidarity.
Thank you so much for this you guys. Seriously. I trust you'll continue to do and say what you believe is right regardless of what a person like me says but, if you will, let a comment like this bolster and encourage you.
This episode (part 1 also) is fantastic.
The best way of fighting against something, is giving an alternative option. Give answers that can please both sides, understand that for each person that thinks like you, someone disagree.
Shouting "no to the ban" is great, but what instead?, you need a plan B, where those who feel unsafe and support it, may consider a soft version.
Only understanding the person at the other side of the table will get you somewhere.
Are we REALLY in a Republican country? Its hard to take state level voting seriously when Gerrymandering is still legal. Allowing the party in power the ability to reinforce their hold for 10 years, feeds my cynicism.
Colin is right. If the majority of 300,000,000 citizens feel they need to sign up for all in Option A, or all in Option B, we are screwed. We might as well just be separate countries and be done with it. Just write off the Civil War like, "Guess you were right, the north and south won't ever be unified." We can just set up "California, The Republican States of America and New England" and call it a day.
14:25 when Colin prepares his charging statements and speaks exactly how Independents feel. Did I vote for Trump, Yes, does that in some way say I'm equal to him and his thoughts/actions, No. I voted for Trump because this Country needed a shake up in Washington. This Country needed something different and since we are a Country of chances and Freedoms why not take a chance to make an actual change? Colin is 1000% correct on if we stand together we are stronger if we the people feel we're ALL not being represented, but notice how the very Left Liberal member just sat there in denial...
Colin said "if you voted for Bill Clinton you were apparently pro-gay marriage" to discredit "far left" logic but most candidates weren't pro-gay marriage in the 90s. If they were, they were 3rd party, and we know the realities of voting 3rd party. I think Colin is highly underestimating how much the average person has been paying attention to what's going on.
I love you guys so much.
Liberal and conservative actually are mutually exclusive. Conservatism is one thing, _( the tendency towards what is traditional or established)_, and liberalism is anything that isn't that one thing.
Z4RQUON People can have elements of both in their own personal politics. I consider myself to be liberal on a number of social issues but I'm fairly fiscally conservative.
*****: Fiscal policy is not politics. The phrase "fiscal conservative" gets used to change the subject. Liberal and conservatives are alternatives, it is contradictory to be both on the same subject.
Z4RQUON One of the definitions of politics from Merriam Webster states that politics is "the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy." Government policy covers a wide range of subjects, to include social and fiscal issues. So yes, by extension of the definition, being fiscally conservative is included when discussing political leanings.
*****: I get that. What I'm saying is that "fiscal conservatism" is not an alternative to general political liberalism. When people say that, as you did, they're just trying to change the subject.
Hey Colin Moriariy,I've been a fan of you guys since the ign days. I'm a Mexican immigrant, but I don't like being biased. I completely understand all sides of the political and social spectrum. The fact that we're having these conversations means that we're making some sort of progress. I feel we need more rational people in our society to come to a responsible and efficient way to make things work for everyone. There is no left or right. Having a left of right makes America divisive. That's we're we're at. I'm intrigued by what's going on . I want to know your opinion.
We need to look to the far future and think what we would want then and work towards that. Not work with anger, but with deliberation.
Welcome to being a libertarian Collin. The Left hate you for having Right ideas, the right hate you for having a left ideas. Tim I'm very excited to see you grow in these political issue conversations, you now stand somewhere and joining the conversation.
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This is awesome that you guys are talking about this. Only in face of extremists do I usually vote defensively (voting for the person's strongest opposition), but generally, I always vote for the politicians that could best represent the whole constituency. They can be republican. They can be democrat. In Massachusetts, when no other democrat could successfully run against the incumbent and pretty imperfect Deval Patrick, I voted Baker. He didn't win then. But, 4 years later after against the MA democratic party's preference, Coakley beat Grossman in the primary, I voted Baker again And I've been very happy with his governance. Right now, the only thing that could persuade me to not vote for Baker next time around is if Newton's Mayor Setti Warren doesn't make it past the primary.
thanks for sticking up for people in the middle that are trying to find a solution.
Colin you're fucking awesome. I'm a left-wing person who also criticizes both sides when they pull bullshit. I certainly disagree with you on many subjects, but that just opens a door to learning. To me, it comes down to recognizing that I may not be right. I bet if we had a conversation it would go on for hours with lots of passion, debate, and personal growth. I hope to meet you one day at a time and place where this can happen.
You are absolutely right grajmahal. What a lot of people fail to realise is that it's sometimes old school, balanced, liberals who vote against these new school, unbalanced, liberals. The problem is that the unbalance has been promoted for so long by media and politicians in many countries that the balanced people are now made out to be cold, aloof and out of balance even though they are often old school liberals!