Both beautiful and capable machines so I guess the one deciding factor not mentioned is price. Unfortunately for me, price remains an "object" in my decision making process. Loved the presentation as always.
I have owned the Lucca equivalent (La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi) for many years. Shot quality is superb and you'd be hard pressed to tell any difference between it and a Linea Mini, I couldn't. The La Spaziale is used in low-medium volume commercial settings though probably not in the USA due to NSF requirements. Some believe LM due to Starbucks fame is overpriced or perhaps prior to that fame was too pricy. IMO save your money for a good grinder and still come out ahead of the pricy Linea Mini. 53mm basket is not an issue whatsoever. I have owned 58mm machines.
I live in europe and have NEVER seen a La Spaziale in commercial use....ever. Most dealers stopped selling La Spaziale because of reliability problems. They also manufactured the Bosch espresso machines (almost the same as an s1) and they are considered total crap overhere. I tried to buy an S1 dream years ago and couldn't find a dealer. La Marzocco was legendary even before starbucks even existed. LM became famous because of the stainless dual boiler setup, other brands used copper HX setups. Agreed that a good grinder is important and filter size is irrelevant. I have owned many machines (commercial Nuova Simonelli and Faema, and home use Profitec, VBM and Rocket) and there is a huge difference between home and commercial machines.
The notion you would actually be able to outpace an A53 in a real world scenario, let alone to a degree that would actually result in the loss of customers is just ridiculous. I've witnessed many attempts to justify the existence of the Linea Mini, but this really is at the top of the list. Even if you had a suuuper high demand setting that would be so massive that an A53 was not up to the task, no Linea Mini in the world would save you. In fact, you'd be far better off to buy two A53s and you'd still have 1600 bucks left for supplies. You could buy a whole frkn cart for that kind of money. There really isn't any commercial setting in which a Linea Mini would be a good investment. Also, never bring a shirt with checker pattern to a video shoot ;)
Love that iconic look of La Marzocco Linea Mini. I’m sure the expresso may not taste any better than Lucca A53, certainly not 3k better. Yet, I think it’s one of those you get it for that vibe.
what would u recommend for a one or 2 shot a day beginner who wants a high end machine and is willing to learn...ive never touched an espresso machine but I'm interested in learning...right now just making daily coffee with moccamaster and virtuoso plus grinder...love but want to expand to an espresso machine as well...thanks
Hey there! We have numerous machines that would be excellent options for you. I'd recommend something with a PID and shot timer built in to help with the learning process. Something like the LUCCA M58 or ECM Synchronika would be perfect to learn and grow with! They're built to last a lifetime and stunning in just about any kitchen.
Hi, Is the pre-infusion on the a53 simply an on or off options? How long does it run for? I've seen some mentions of "pre-brew" on the Linea, can you tell me a little more about it? Additionally, many people are doing pressure profiling mods to their Linea Mini's. Is this a service you offer?
Hi Carlton, Either machine has the ability to change the length of the pre-infusion. With the Direct Plumb A53, the user can change the length from the front control panel once in programming mode. Pre-infusion is a newer feature on the Linea Mini and is controlled by the La Marzocco Home App. They both use a solenoid to allow water to flow through the group head in conjunction with line pressure from the machine. As far as modifying the Linea, that's not a service that we currently offer. Hope this helps! Let us know if you have any other questions. -Amanda
For me, the real competitor for the LMLM is the ASCASO Baby T, especially the PLUS. I was gonna get the Linea Mini, but then I saw the Baby T, and now I’m torn~
That's a great question. A big part of it is the increased size and complexity of some of the machine's parts. You're getting a huge 3.5L steam boiler vs the Synch's 2L. The brew boiler is filled by a unique heat exchanger design that they made in house. Further, many of La Marzoccos parts are built to a high standard and to their own spec. The other piece is the reputation of the La Marzocco name, which has a value of its own. While you're certainly getting that additional bang for your buck, there are many people that'll be served just as well by a LUCCA A53 or ECM Syncrhonika. It all comes down to your needs and preferences. - Charles
From what I saw the La Marzocco Linea Mini White cost is 5000 euros, that is as much as a used 2015 Renault Clio ! That price seems insanely high for me (Gaggia Classic Owner) !
I also own a Gaggia Classic and i agree that the price for the Linea Mini is unjustified for home use or commercial. A 500 euro Gaggia or Sylvia paird with a good grinder will pull an equaly good shot as the Linea...
@@limer4330 If you add a 150-200 euro pid kit it becomes super consistent, in reality with a good grinder you wont notice any difference in coffee taste, it all depends what you want sitting on your counter top...
Prices can fluctuate with currency exchange rates and inflation but: La Marzocco Linea Mini $5400 - Lucca A53 Direct Plumb $2195 (add $425 for optional wood side panels)
I also find myself disappointed with the 53mm basket, however ... per La Spaziale (the original fabricators of the Lucca A53) the concept and design behind using a 53mm basket is it's "deeper" than a 58mm basket so it helps to eliminate channeling in the puck that can sometimes plague 58mm extractions. The downside is the majority of aftermarket accessories (levelers, automatic tampers, Nanotech shower heads, filter baskets etc etc are 58mm
@@eltonnoway7864 Owned a La Spaziale II for almost 5 years now. Don't see much advantage to the 58mm porta filter. Only time the 58mm porta filter makes a difference is shots with over 17-18 grams of ground coffee, typical shot is 15 grams for a double. For a single shot of 7.5 grams, the 53mm porta filter has an advantage over the 58mm porta filter.
La Spaziale needs to move their factory stickers to the back of the machine (or Clive Coffee could insist they do it). I see at least 4 that obviously detract from the otherwise attractive machine ... and then you want $400-500 to add the wood panels? That being said, there is still a lot to like about this machine. Just please listen to your potential customers!
I'm considering buying the Linea Mini for my first small coffee shop and pair with a Mazzer Super Jolly it's I hop it will hold the job :) For everyone who loves latte art Follow us on Instagram @latteartdesigners. Thank you, everyone!
I agree. La Marzocco is the Ferrari of espresso machines. But it doesn't mean Lucca perform like shit though. I think Lucca is perfect for me if I have the budget. Volumetric machine with pre-infusion ability? Come on!
As a photographer this strikes me as comparing a Canon to a Leica (or Mercedes to Toyota. BTW, I am very happy with my Toyota but I also love Leica cameras) I think it's clever marketing to not mention the price. That way the viewer is seeing these as equals. But IMO it's really apples and oranges. Clearly the Mini is not at the optimum point on a cost-benefit curve and it's not meant to be. If you're looking for the biggest bang for the buck then don't even consider a La Marzocco. But if you're the kind of person that wants the very best (quality, reputation, history/lineage, etc.) and price is not a concern then perhaps consider La Marzocco. Once you own a La Marzocco there is little anyone can say disparagingly other than the price. And as someone pointed out here, there is a difference between a lot of money up front and value over time. I bought a Profitec P700 from Clive and am very happy with it. It doesn't mean I wouldn't love to own a Linea Mini.
I love that wink when mentioning teaching your guests. It’s so nice, so geeky, and so telling. :-)
Both beautiful and capable machines so I guess the one deciding factor not mentioned is price. Unfortunately for me, price remains an "object" in my decision making process. Loved the presentation as always.
that shirt is glitching the matrix
Hmmmm. Did they use green screen?
@@dwikafebrianto3016 I don't think. This phenomenon is called aliasing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing
@@QUICKguils Actually is called "moiré".
I have owned the Lucca equivalent (La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi) for many years. Shot quality is superb and you'd be hard pressed to tell any difference between it and a Linea Mini, I couldn't. The La Spaziale is used in low-medium volume commercial settings though probably not in the USA due to NSF requirements. Some believe LM due to Starbucks fame is overpriced or perhaps prior to that fame was too pricy. IMO save your money for a good grinder and still come out ahead of the pricy Linea Mini. 53mm basket is not an issue whatsoever. I have owned 58mm machines.
I live in europe and have NEVER seen a La Spaziale in commercial use....ever. Most dealers stopped selling La Spaziale because of reliability problems. They also manufactured the Bosch espresso machines (almost the same as an s1) and they are considered total crap overhere. I tried to buy an S1 dream years ago and couldn't find a dealer. La Marzocco was legendary even before starbucks even existed. LM became famous because of the stainless dual boiler setup, other brands used copper HX setups. Agreed that a good grinder is important and filter size is irrelevant. I have owned many machines (commercial Nuova Simonelli and Faema, and home use Profitec, VBM and Rocket) and there is a huge difference between home and commercial machines.
@@keesketsers5866 I lived in Napoli for a few years and seen them often.
La Spaziale meets NSF requirements and is approved.
@@playnicegames nice t know. i recall when i got mine it was not 12 years ago or maybe because I have a 220 volt machine?
Great comparison. Now add two more bits of information: taste differences (probably not much if any) and price of each machine (big difference!).
La Spaziale after 5 years : worth scrap price. La Marzocco after 5 years : still worth most of what you paid. Expensive? No. Alot of money? Yes.
The notion you would actually be able to outpace an A53 in a real world scenario, let alone to a degree that would actually result in the loss of customers is just ridiculous. I've witnessed many attempts to justify the existence of the Linea Mini, but this really is at the top of the list. Even if you had a suuuper high demand setting that would be so massive that an A53 was not up to the task, no Linea Mini in the world would save you. In fact, you'd be far better off to buy two A53s and you'd still have 1600 bucks left for supplies. You could buy a whole frkn cart for that kind of money. There really isn't any commercial setting in which a Linea Mini would be a good investment. Also, never bring a shirt with checker pattern to a video shoot ;)
Love that iconic look of La Marzocco Linea Mini. I’m sure the expresso may not taste any better than Lucca A53, certainly not 3k better. Yet, I think it’s one of those you get it for that vibe.
The biggest difference was not mentioned, which is the portafilter size, 58 vs 53mm
Yep... nearly all commercial and prosumer espresso machines are 58mm.
@@eltonnoway7864 they make tons of 53mm accessories
@@eltonnoway7864 can you taste the difference between a shot made with a 53mm pf and a 58mm pf? Didn't think so.
Not a big issue as this is targeted towards home use and the difference is minimal
@@aclhenrickson86 difference is fucking huge dude
I thought the mini can be programmed to do pre-infusion from the app?
You are correct, the newest models can! This video was filmed prior to the release of the Iot integration.
Considering picking up the A53, but we will be moving to France in around a year. Do you know if it would work on France's power grid?
58mm v 53 mm baskets and accessories ....
there is alot of accessories out there, not like there used to be
what would u recommend for a one or 2 shot a day beginner who wants a high end machine and is willing to learn...ive never touched an espresso machine but I'm interested in learning...right now just making daily coffee with moccamaster and virtuoso plus grinder...love but want to expand to an espresso machine as well...thanks
Hey there! We have numerous machines that would be excellent options for you. I'd recommend something with a PID and shot timer built in to help with the learning process. Something like the LUCCA M58 or ECM Synchronika would be perfect to learn and grow with! They're built to last a lifetime and stunning in just about any kitchen.
Has the A53 ever gone on sale? I notice most other machines go on sale occasionally.
I want to open a small van coffee shop. Is Lucca a53 suitable for the task? How many cups can it serve in a day?
Mini has a pre infusion 2sX2s.
Hi, Is the pre-infusion on the a53 simply an on or off options? How long does it run for? I've seen some mentions of "pre-brew" on the Linea, can you tell me a little more about it? Additionally, many people are doing pressure profiling mods to their Linea Mini's. Is this a service you offer?
the linea has a 1 seconds pre infuse and you can't change it, the LUCCA has programmable pre infusion
Hi Carlton,
Either machine has the ability to change the length of the pre-infusion. With the Direct Plumb A53, the user can change the length from the front control panel once in programming mode. Pre-infusion is a newer feature on the Linea Mini and is controlled by the La Marzocco Home App. They both use a solenoid to allow water to flow through the group head in conjunction with line pressure from the machine. As far as modifying the Linea, that's not a service that we currently offer. Hope this helps! Let us know if you have any other questions.
-Amanda
@@clivecoffee Hi, That is super helpful. how long can you do pre infusion on both machines?
For me, the real competitor for the LMLM is the ASCASO Baby T, especially the PLUS. I was gonna get the Linea Mini, but then I saw the Baby T, and now I’m torn~
What about Dalla Corte Studio?
price !
Why is the mini so much more expensive than other high end prosumer machines ie ecm synchronika? Thanks
That's a great question. A big part of it is the increased size and complexity of some of the machine's parts. You're getting a huge 3.5L steam boiler vs the Synch's 2L. The brew boiler is filled by a unique heat exchanger design that they made in house. Further, many of La Marzoccos parts are built to a high standard and to their own spec. The other piece is the reputation of the La Marzocco name, which has a value of its own.
While you're certainly getting that additional bang for your buck, there are many people that'll be served just as well by a LUCCA A53 or ECM Syncrhonika. It all comes down to your needs and preferences.
- Charles
@@clivecoffee that's great thanks for the reply
Clive Coffee All comes down to your wallet.
Great video! Is it possible to get the Lucca from Austria? Looks much nicer than the original LA spaziale with that ugly plastic...
What is the biggest difference when it comes to power consumption? I know they both operate at 110volts, but does one draw more power than the other?
How much do you pay for electricity that makes power consumption a factor on a $5000 machine
Seriously!???
Is that your deciding factor
It can be an issue if power supply is limited, multiple items on that circuit etc.
From what I saw the La Marzocco Linea Mini White cost is 5000 euros, that is as much as a used 2015 Renault Clio ! That price seems insanely high for me (Gaggia Classic Owner) !
the lucca is around 2000 euros
@@naurrrr1337 Modified my comment :D. I didn't know that the lucca was cheaper but even so, that seems outrageously expensive for me.
I also own a Gaggia Classic and i agree that the price for the Linea Mini is unjustified for home use or commercial. A 500 euro Gaggia or Sylvia paird with a good grinder will pull an equaly good shot as the Linea...
@@dekimajstoir but not consistently and not as easy.
@@limer4330 If you add a 150-200 euro pid kit it becomes super consistent, in reality with a good grinder you wont notice any difference in coffee taste, it all depends what you want sitting on your counter top...
Wish u told us the prices so we don’t have to search for that 2
Prices can fluctuate with currency exchange rates and inflation but: La Marzocco Linea Mini $5400 - Lucca A53 Direct Plumb $2195 (add $425 for optional wood side panels)
If the A53 had a 58mm portafilter it would be a perfect machine.
I completely agree! I'm looking for a prosumer volumetric machine in order to be freed up from watching the extraction like a hawk.
Unless you want to try out many and lots of baskets having different capacity and shapes and hole sizes/patterns, otherwise 58mm size is not perfect.
I also find myself disappointed with the 53mm basket, however ... per La Spaziale (the original fabricators of the Lucca A53) the concept and design behind using a 53mm basket is it's "deeper" than a 58mm basket so it helps to eliminate channeling in the puck that can sometimes plague 58mm extractions. The downside is the majority of aftermarket accessories (levelers, automatic tampers, Nanotech shower heads, filter baskets etc etc are 58mm
@@eltonnoway7864 Owned a La Spaziale II for almost 5 years now. Don't see much advantage to the 58mm porta filter. Only time the 58mm porta filter makes a difference is shots with over 17-18 grams of ground coffee, typical shot is 15 grams for a double. For a single shot of 7.5 grams, the 53mm porta filter has an advantage over the 58mm porta filter.
@@eltonnoway7864 Can you taste the difference between shots made on a 53mm pf vs 58mm pf? Didn't think so.
Is there a good way to drain the drip tray on a53?
Sure is! This is the kit you need-clivecoffee.com/products/la-spaziale-drip-tray-drain-kit
@@clivecoffee do you have a video on how to install that kit?
@@1Alyaa We do not have a video or a guide. If you need any assistance please reach out to tech@clivecoffee.com
I’ve been wondering if either machine could handle a rush of 15+ milk drinks back to back
Then we have a video coming up that'll certainly be of interest to you!
@@clivecoffee did this video ever come out? Because that's something I'd like to know.
@@Existential_brian ditto
What pumps do they have?
Both have rotary pumps
La Spaziale needs to move their factory stickers to the back of the machine (or Clive Coffee could insist they do it). I see at least 4 that obviously detract from the otherwise attractive machine ... and then you want $400-500 to add the wood panels? That being said, there is still a lot to like about this machine. Just please listen to your potential customers!
What about for making hot chocolate?
I'm considering buying the Linea Mini for my first small coffee shop and pair with a Mazzer Super Jolly it's I hop it will hold the job :) For everyone who loves latte art Follow us on Instagram @latteartdesigners. Thank you, everyone!
Did you end up getting one? How’s business with it?
left one looks like bomb and right one looks like shit, end of story
I agree. La Marzocco is the Ferrari of espresso machines. But it doesn't mean Lucca perform like shit though. I think Lucca is perfect for me if I have the budget. Volumetric machine with pre-infusion ability? Come on!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think we know your opintion.
As a photographer this strikes me as comparing a Canon to a Leica (or Mercedes to Toyota. BTW, I am very happy with my Toyota but I also love Leica cameras) I think it's clever marketing to not mention the price. That way the viewer is seeing these as equals. But IMO it's really apples and oranges.
Clearly the Mini is not at the optimum point on a cost-benefit curve and it's not meant to be. If you're looking for the biggest bang for the buck then don't even consider a La Marzocco. But if you're the kind of person that wants the very best (quality, reputation, history/lineage, etc.) and price is not a concern then perhaps consider La Marzocco. Once you own a La Marzocco there is little anyone can say disparagingly other than the price. And as someone pointed out here, there is a difference between a lot of money up front and value over time. I bought a Profitec P700 from Clive and am very happy with it. It doesn't mean I wouldn't love to own a Linea Mini.