Messi is exposing MLS' defending problem
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2023
- Jimmy Conrad laments Atlanta United's abysmal attempts to stop Lionel Messi in the Leagues Cup and the standard of defending among MLS teams.
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I was in Atlanta and I watched the Chelsea Newcastle game… the gap between epl and mls is immeasurable….felt like I was watching a different sport.
Or it feels like I was watching Barcelona in its prime (Inter Miami) against a Segunda division club in Atlanta lool. Enjoyable as an Inter Miami fan but too easy. Cruz Azul game was better due to pressure but even there, it felt easy still for Messi and Busquets
@@mcwaller123 There will be more challenging games for Inter Miami. plus Miami has a very porous defensive line
Watch the first leg of the champions league semi-final between Real Madrid and Manchester City of this year, not the most exhilarating game maybe. But might be the highest level of football ever played.
I was in the Camp Nou for a Champions league semi final a few years ago, BFC vs LFC , Messi had 4 Liverpool players running after him and like school kids, Virgil van Dyke included. He was 33. When he is on it, no defender can stop him, the second leg LFC put 5 players on him anytime he got the ball, fouled him too. This is the only thing that works, but that frees up other players.
oh and who advanced to the final?
ofc best players get attention but its about the structure of the whole defending...
the 4 individual best defenders doesnt mean the defense on the pitch
the mls lacks coaching especially when it comes to playing off ball, it becomes more less a freestyle
You can tell every player fears Messi in the MLS. Which is nothing new as everyone in Europe's been fearing him for 17+ years.
MLS defenders don't know how to stop Messi without fouling him and conceding a free kick or penalty. You can tell that they have no clue on what to do with Messi
I don't think that is even the problem... like... against Atlanta during the one of the postive phases that led to one of the goals there were 3 (out of 4, the 4th risked a red card) defenders that could have fouled Messi, taking that yellow card, but preventig the goal. Yet, none of the guys had the principles trained in, had too much respect.. and you know... a goal that should have never been scored was scored. It is an attitude problem. It is about accepting " that is good enough" - a kryptonite for football. If Messi can't punish this out of your soccer, who will?
They also do not want to injure him. As they also have an admiration for him, and Messi is not cocky like Cristiano Ronaldo.
I remember that someone fauled Backham when he came to MLS just because he wanted to greet him that way.
Messi has a lot of supporters in the USA. So not many of them are willing to tackle him hard to stop him, as they do not want to potentially injure him and basically become MLS villain for the rest of their careers.
Just as Messi did with River when he destroyed their defenders 3-0
@@unnamedshadow1866that is not a thing. All 3 of them could just go in and hug him. Or grab his shirt and hold on for dear life.
lol as if any other leagues teams has an idea😂
This man has been the Best in the World for a long time. Why do people think that Messi scoring two goals in a MLS match equates to bad defending in the league🤦🏾♂️ He destroyed the very best in Europe for more than a decade
No they do have bad defending. Messi is not even trying you can tell. But if MLS teams sees this and fixes this problem just to face him. It will get a lot of quality which is good
@@gginfuser7157 Messi isn’t trying… if you ever watched him constantly before his move to MLS you will understand he makes the most complicated move look simple.
@@gginfuser7157 As a Barca fan I was surprised when I saw my man decide to go play in America. He is still the best in the game at the moment and he will make an already average league look below average even if they step up their defending. He’s just that good
@@RichD424 I know what he is capable of. I am saying what busquest is doing. He did it 2 games in a row to get a cross to Messi and there was a huge gap. And both Cruz and Atlanta are considered good teams there. These 2 are exposing huge weaknesses in that league. Messi will do what he does no matter which league, but it will improve to stop Messi destruction which will increase the quality of that league as they have to follow European football
@@RichD424agreed 💯
LOL people have started watching football recently. So Messi's been scoring 40, 50 goals for a decade now, I never heard talks about defence being the problem then. Heck he scored 90+ goals in a season. Now that has to be some z tier defence or what ? It's what Messi does. He took more of a play maker role in PSG to assist Mbappe and Neymar...and people suddenly forgot he's a god tier goal scorer and MLS defece is getting "exposed".
Messi is the goat but MLS defending is also dogshit. They give him too much space to run and find passes. Messi doesn't even have to try to score goals in this league
In the press conference the Atlanta coach explained that the strategy was to control the ball all the time which was discussed with the team earlier but the strategy did'ot work. Let's remember that during all these years the best coaches in the world have tried everything to stop Messi, normally putting personal marks on him, 2-3 players to prevent Messi from dribbling or shooting, but that creates problems bc they are players who cannot effectively cover their natural place on the field, this is taken advantage of by Messi's teammates, also we know that Lionel can escape from confined spaces and tight situations and make passes that move the team. I think Atlanta thought they could control the game without wasting all their fuel on Messi, but they were outclassed not only by Messi's skills, but Taylor and Messi well connected to each other, and busquet and Cremaschi well connected to assist them. Interesting times for MLS it will be forced to experiment with more strategies.
Lets be real.... the standard of goalie and defenders in MLS is very subpar.
They let Busquets turn in their system, then it's over.
If great defenders don't put butts on seats, that's the media's fault. I would pay top dollar to see someone like Ramos play. You guys need to do a better job of educating fans about the nuances of the game. Defenders matter.
Actually not a bad idea 🤔
Only 4 of the 80 DPs are defenders and none are GKs. MLS investment in defense is pathetic and it shows on the field.
Atlanta defending in the 2nd Taylor goal was the worst. Its a 2 on 3 and Messi frankly had too much time to deliver that pass. Who are the defenders marking if they cant spot the run of other guy because they weren't even close to Messi either. Now maybe You dont want to get too close to Messi out of fear of being dribbled. But then You gotta at least cover the passing lane. Passengers..
one thing you all guys need to understand Beckham didn't bought Messi to dominate US soccer , thier plan was to grow attention of MLS
now so many sports media in paying Attention to MLS not only in America but outside of America too because its Messi .. everyone's complaining about defence blah blah blah shut up man..we should be thankful he came here and gave us viewers the attention we all wanted right and i read somewhere they must build a good team to play against MESSI because he is exposing MLS wtf ..the most important to invest AND improve the league thats .. remember he is 36 years old what if Messi comes in the age 41 very less people will pay attention whos gonna buy MLS pass .so my point is while he is here enjoy this moment because this is right time .. because this league can improve i can guarantee you that be patience and the young guys need to have the winning mentality hope you all understand
i think its about the mls limit budget..they can t spend a lot of money on teams ( rules) so they spend the most of it on the attackers, resume.. bad midfield bad defense, ..rules are going to change in the short term, to make a better league and spectacle .. saludos desde argentina! good content!
Nonsense..
It's all Messi being messi.
No one else was doing it before ..so why are you trying to diminish what Messi and Sergio did.
The reality is these guys are better than those players and better than any of you ever were
@@JoelFermindocs of course they are the best, i dont even need to say that.. im from arg.. i follow messi since 2006 , but yeah the defenders are not very good.. messi and busi will make any defese , euro or american looks bad
I think your right. The mls decently spends more money on attacking players. That isn't to put down the mls but just reality of having to chose who you spend money on with a salary cap.
You guys don’t know anything about football matter fact anybody that call football soccer doesn’t know anything about football. You should go watch American football (NFL). Messi has done this throughout is career scored 5 goals in champions league, scored 3 goals against Real Madrid at the age of 19. Scored 4 goals against Arsenal in Champions league 1/4 final. Scored 91 goals in one year. Etc. Now you telling me the MLS defense is poor. What about the defenders in Europe were they bad ? Messi rip apart World Cup winner Jerome Boeteng in a champions league semi final was Boeteng a bad center back? You guys don’t understand that’s what Messi does make defense melt. That’s why the guy is the greatest of all time 🐐
The same applies to him destroying Gvardiol, the new defender of Manchester City, a few months ago, or against the defense of France.
@@cristianeduardobernalzunig2139 absolutely
Soccer was how it was originally called in England, though. Short for Association (rules) Football. The other one was called Rugger (Rugby Football). So your comment just shows what you know.
Messi IS NOT a world class player. He is an outlier of an outlier of a WORLD CLASS PLAYER! That's # 1. Don't forget, Messi was 17 years young when he started for FC Barcelona!!! He's had unreal football skills since a very young age and he made professional european players look like amateurs. Think Jordan playing against High School students. That's how good he is. Yes, he's a tad slower now at his age but he's still a highly skilled player. Lets not pooh pooh on MLS. I think having him in the leauge is going to up everyone's game. In the long run, this will be good for MLS.
Coincido. Este año se cumplen 20 años del debut de Messi ante el Porto, con 16 años y el sigue en su burbuja de 5ta dimensión 👽. Saludos desde Córdoba Argentina.
@@1887edom Gracias por el saludo hermano.
US coaches don't now how to defend themselves, so they don't know how to teach defending. If this was important, we'd have more Italian coaches in the US. I have not seen 1 in 15 years. The Nats don't know any better, either.
Eney one notice that guy said Messi is not fast 😮😮😮
well, he's not as fast as 10 years ago, but now he's smarter and he doesnt need to run fast to dominate games
Haha.. These guys miss that they have to run with the ball. His body feints can put any fast pace opponents to break their ankles in an instance.
@@franco1188 Messi is still fast like he is okay
Messi and Busquets are in MLS, it's like playing with a high school league for them, I don't care how much you put pressure on these world-class players, they are at different levels and caliber period! Again this is MLS...
It's kinda funny watching americans analyze football lol, i guess they haven't watched Busquets this guy can keep possession.
Saludos desde Córdoba Argentina. Ok. Messi tuvo un pico menor de rendimiento en su carrera y le alcanzo para ganar el mundial. Un mes despues el Bayer uso defensa de elite para frenar (en bloque) a el y a Mbappe. Eso se logró por armar un equipo muy aplicado en defensa. Si los equipos de la MLS no avanzan en defensas sólidas y de nivel va a arrasar la liga. Es similar a tener a Jonah Lomu en la liga de rugby de Canadá. Bowling. Cheers.
exactly but people look up stats see messi scoring everywhere and assume those goals were as easy as the inter miami ones
@@davit368 ASI ES. La MLS tiene que buscar un equilibrio entre su necesidad de "Soccer show" y la evolución táctica de sus defensas. Porque la selección nacional de EEUU no ganará partidos sin defensas bien trabajadas. Messi es una buena oportunidad para avanzar.
Its literally a combination of both😅😅😅
Pundits don't have a clue.
I didn’t see Parkhurst play as much but any Sounders fan that saw Chad Marshall play knew what great defense he played and read the game better than many.
Yo man, what do you expect when you know his first hattrick in ElClasico Match?? This man is alien.
Good analysis Jim
If they can't defend why isn't the score line in double digits?
Defense is not about individuals, is about a state of mind.
Dominance is the key.
You need to see Argentina vs, Croatia and vs France.
Messi score against any defender in the world, whether it's MLS or not
The serie A would foul the Sh&% out of Messi if he even tries to get near the box
@mariopensotti1015 I guess you watching rugby
No one’s debating that, but the overall state of MLS defense is abysmal, a league where Ryan Gauld can get 10 goals in 20 games, he wouldn’t even get that in English league 1 that’s how terrible of a footballer that guy is, could barely get a game on loan at Hibs in Scotland the 6 months he was there, that’s how bad the guy is, and that’s how shit mls defenses are
He looks really relaxed that's what Im seeing now and I have been following him since his early Barca days guess defenders are just giving him too much space.
Amazing background dude
Suscribed for Messi content, cheers from Argentina :)
Messi is a smart player. He knows danger and I suspect he manages it (very well). Getting to 36 year of age in this level of football says a lot. All he needs to do is draw enough players close enough. Then they are out of the play. Off load and let team mates have the space and finish the job. I agree that if you go rogue and try to take him out then it costs .. we've seen him deal with that in the past. Watching Messi in European competition it is a very 'tighter' game but he still managed to rise to the top. Let the debate continue :)
4:28 Yeah, this argument seem quite on point.
They are still in pre season imagine when they are in top form
A show to discredit Messi and Sergio. There is no way anyone will get close to Busquets, he's that silky. He times himself on the ball.
one thing you all guys need to understand Beckham didn't bought Messi to dominate US soccer , thier plan was to grow attention of MLS
now so many sports media in paying Attention to MLS not only in America but outside of America too because its Messi .. everyone's complaining about defence blah blah blah shut up man..we should be thankful he came here and gave us viewers the attention we all wanted right and i read somewhere they must build a good team to play against MESSI because he is exposing MLS wtf ..the most important is to invest AND improve the league thats ..it remember he is 36 years old what if Messi comes in the age 41 very less people will pay attention whos gonna buy MLS pass .so my point is while he is here enjoy this moment because this is right time .. because this league can improve i can guarantee you that be patience and the young guys need to have the winning mentality hope you all understand
So true
Do u think is easy to stop the conexion busi messi??? All teams in the world now how to stop them... in paper.. thats why busi is the best midfielder in the last 20 years and the other is the best ever
With Messi in the MLS now, there will be a LOT of Starstruck moment with teams playing against him, cause he's literally the 🐐 and you're against him, the MLS is NOT gonna used to MESSI until season, he will continue to do this with these teams until sometime of adjustment period next next year, same thing happened when Beckham came, some people are Starstruck...
two very good defenders that no one talks about is jesus murillo and palacios. A duo that are very strong
Not just Messi, Club America as well.... MLS defenders don't know how to play D period.
Aquí verdaderamente comienza el ascenso de la MLS. MESSI VA A PONERLOS A TRABAJAR EN DEFENSA DE ALTO NIVEL.
Messiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii🐐👑🐐👑
Messi was sleep walking in those goals. Ferrari among Fiats. They're not even Fiats. Scooters.
I think BUSQUETS being a PG in basketball terms without being MARK is a bigger problem than MESSI, cause he gets to see the pitch clear as day
A team should be built from the back
The MLS would have to set up a Messi rule, namely that Messi is only allowed to play 10 minutes in each game then the other teams might have a chance 😂
they think a good mls level defense will work against messi
What exposing ... This is not new at all whoever knows about football you can tell and is simple, the strikers are not that great either because they lack on accuracy big time
Don’t trash talk and let other enjoy the game
MLS has to increase the salary cap and buy better defenders and players overall because a lot of player are lazy
So when he would score in LaLiga 40-50 goals or more did they know how to defend? What about against EPL teams in Champions league? He will score in every league including WC and Copa America stop crying
MLS should have been showcasing Miami all along given the Latinos love of fútbol. Long overdue.
oh yeah a happy Messi + a Busquets there will be some damage on MLS teams...🤭
Messi is used to score hatrick against world class defenders and these Americans think defenders are bad. Reality is Messi is so extraordinary. All defenders are clueless against him.
Messi should of never joined psg. That was a mistake. 😖😣
Says the guy not actually defending messi. Go get out there and stop him
MLS sucks... Just be lucky you guys have eyes now that messi is here.
If Messi is to have any effect on your side of the pond, that is not by bringin the mother of marketing. He will do it by punishing (way past his prime) space and time mistakes, forcing improvement. Messi in his prime, with the teams he played in, he / they was/were able to exploit 0.2/0.3 seconds worth of space. In MLS you have full seconds of space that are not even forced, riped to be exploited. I really hope that the deciders have their eyes wide open. I really hope USA gets to understand through this one in several generations transfers, some football. If you guys don't do it through Messi... well... RIP. Cmon guys, we need that competition to make football a better sport!❤
Past his prime….he won the World Cup last year! He is 36 but Messi is not past his prime. He makes wiser choices on energy usage…
@@silviana4074he is past his prime. The scary thing is messi even at 50 or 60% is top 5 in the world!!
@@jamesnunez9082 Which is a blessing to US football
@@jamesnunez9082 cause he is not past his prime…😝
@@silviana4074Yes he is indeed past his prime, I watched fcb week in week out, he dont do crazy fast dribble anymore, but collectively his teamwork has gotten better because he's better captain and that really showed on last WC. Even with this moment he's still at top level.
Messi the goat bruh
U.S. soccer culture is like karate, it only works on other people that KNOW karate. lol
If you try to play like you have a brain in your head in u.s. soccer culture everyone on your own team will start yelling at you for doing it wrong, just like if you go into a karate dojo and start punching a black belt in the face. lol!
and absolutely no one knows anything at all about how to make a run. lol!
Erster!
Geiler typ 😂
Yes ,😂de ARGENTINA 🇦🇷💪
@@Jackson-rk2bx😂
😂 Americans
F soccer
It's football 👉⚽
Lost art? Defense is not an art!!
You get it all wrong!!!
Playing defense es like third world idea… you play to loose.
You must get the ball, and THEN you must know how to play DOMINANCE.
This discussion is so low level… a waste of time.