As a musician, DJ, tech enthusiast and IT teacher myself, I really appreciate all the tech and the effort that goes into this. However, the churches I was raised in didn't have any mics, speakers, displays of any type, or even a piano or a printed program. It was a group of people in a building that sang and listened to a preacher. All these churches are still around. I know times are different now, but I wouldn't trade that experience for anything in the world.
The experience of having an indoor experience vs outdoor experience with a hybrid experience would blow all of my past experiences out of the experiential water. But for real - "content is everything" - Bob Kauflin.
Would love to hear more from Gus about the impact of LED walls and RF interference. Our church has been going back and forth between LED wall and projector but we have a close proximity Wireless RF distribution system. I know every use case is different but it would be nice to hear some of the fundamentals on that topic. Great video though thank you for sharing
If you use a good directional antenna with diversity (like the DFin from RFVenue), then you'll be fine. You can use the directionality to your advantage by facing the antenna away from the LED wall, but even with facing it towards a large LED wall while combining 16 wireless mics I did not experience any issues.
@Steve Cobb thank you for the info. We are using an rfvenue system with a directional antenna so it sounds like we are on the right track. I will do some research. The led wall would be on a strong rejection side. Is there any pre installation testing we could do? I.E. mimic standard rf that an led wall produces and place that device in the area and see if we have interference? Appreciate the response
@@joemeckley2017 There's no way to mimic the interference from an LED wall as the amount of interference will be different depending on the quality of manufacturing and installation, but one thing you can do is use a spectrum analyzer or Shure wireless workbench to scan your environment. Be sure to scan the environment with your mics turned on. Your wireless mics need to be at least 20dB above the RF noise floor. An LED wall will generally raise the noise floor and cheap LED walls may even throw RF spikes as strong as a wireless mic out in the same spectrum as your wireless mics. If your mics are 30dB above the noise floor or more, I wouldn't worry about it. You can also install an inline bandpass filter from RF Venue and that will eliminate the ranges outside of your wireless mic system so that the sensitivity of the receivers aren't affected by noise outside of their spectrum.
@Steve Cobb awesome! I do utilize wireless workbench and did some initial scans to deploy frequencies to our different devices but I need to go back and look at the logs and see what the floor level was at. Probably wouldn't hurt to do a fresh scan in general. We get a lot of TV stations off the ocean. Appreciate all the info. I did read about cheap panels having more RF interference than higher quality ones and even being specific about getting panels from the same lot# can help mitigate inconsistencies. A lot of that seems to come from the quality of the distributor or installer.
My question is, what is the minimum spec of mac or pc should i have to be able to output to so many monitors? We used m1 pro mac and it struggles to output to 5 monitors with stable fps (the fps keeps dropping). Recently we switch to PC with RTX 30, but still I see hiccup on fps. Anyway, great vid! Keep it up. Greetings from Indonesia :)
This all depends on your LED set up. If its just one wall and can fit into a single possessor you would only need one port. The bigger you get the more complex it gets . You can do multiple walls with one port but again it starts getting complex and will have to do a little more work on the pre production side (making content that fits the layout). Specs wise, again depending on what you are wanting to play back. 1080, 2k, 4k... if you are doing LED you should have a dedicated computer for it. if you are doing 1080 a M1 mac pro should have plenty of juice. (without the other displays you have)
I'm disappointed you don't point out the negatives. Cost, Heat, Light on stage that has to be balance with brighter stage lights. Decent cameras that don't get blown out by the LED wall light. Assembly and Diassembly/storage for a church that has to setup every week. It could easily add an hour or two to setup times. Do you know how long a 75" TV takes to setup? 5 minutes. With how thin and light TV's are getting it will trickle down to locking panels (maybe 3'x4'?) that are simplier to connect (build in without cables) and easier to hang. Then I'll jump in. It would be more down to earth on the price as well.
Different applications though. They aren't using these as tv replacements because they are wanting a larger footprint. LED walls are more comparable to front or rear mount projector applications at sizes much larger than a 75" diagonal. There are some downsides, cost and processing being two but again you have to look at what your space and application is asking and I think they did a good job of prefacing that this is what worked for their application. I.e stage depth, unable to mount front or rear projectors, outside application needing high brightness, etc. Every space is different
@@joemeckley2017 Fair enough. Depends on the needs, but lighting interaction from a giant screen is considerable, so cost of the lighting that has to go with it should be a part of the consideration of a video wall. A 75" doesn't have these issues, as I can light something dimly with good lighting and it shows up great on livestream. Perhaps a proper diming video walls with fine resolution will eventually be the solution.
@Kurt Vanzo you would run into a similar issue with a projector at say 8500 lumens, so proper lighting is simply proper lighting. I think screen brightness is relative to your ambient light, stage lighting, and throw distance in general which they did address with the outdoor wall. They mentioned that they run it at full brightness because of ambient light but they would never do that in a dark interior because it would be overpowering. That does imply that they have some control of the overall brightness of the panel similar to the brightness adjustment on a TV. My point is simply that it comes back to application and the right tool for the job. The larger something scales it should be expected that the cost, prep work, and knowledge set also would increase. No argument that a TV is simpler to deploy but they no longer becomes viable when you scale size.
Should be able to since you can define, zones of panels. Even on the test pattern, each panel has 3 numbers. Following since I don't know the exact details.
The Novastar processor supports multiple windows, but it's not really made to split on the fly. If you want full control over mapping outputs to different parts of a screen, in my opinion PVP from Renewed Vision is the easiest way to go. You can take in NDI video feeds from Pro Presenter or other sources (or use media inside of PVP) and then map them to either the full screen, two halves, or if you want to do 1/3 and 2/3 you can do that. Basically, whatever you can think of in terms of mapping a video source to a screen or multiple screens, PVP can do it.
As a musician, DJ, tech enthusiast and IT teacher myself, I really appreciate all the tech and the effort that goes into this. However, the churches I was raised in didn't have any mics, speakers, displays of any type, or even a piano or a printed program. It was a group of people in a building that sang and listened to a preacher. All these churches are still around. I know times are different now, but I wouldn't trade that experience for anything in the world.
God uses different ways to reach different people. Glad you are able to find a way to worship that works great for you! :)
I live down the street from this church. Love to see things like this in Bakersfield!!
Dylan popped off on this one. Looks like a movie.
Thanks man!
Take a sip of communion wine everytime you hear the word experience
The experience of having an indoor experience vs outdoor experience with a hybrid experience would blow all of my past experiences out of the experiential water. But for real - "content is everything" - Bob Kauflin.
Brilliant. Thank you guys for keeping growing and upcoming ministries at the forefront.
having a projector, led really impacts church experience. higly agreed.
Excellent video
Thanks for this videos! 👏🏼 great job. Thank you from Chile 🇨🇱
Awesome video Jake! Thank you for sharing and keep the amazing content coming!!
Loving the news intros!!!!!
Would love to hear more from Gus about the impact of LED walls and RF interference. Our church has been going back and forth between LED wall and projector but we have a close proximity Wireless RF distribution system. I know every use case is different but it would be nice to hear some of the fundamentals on that topic. Great video though thank you for sharing
If you use a good directional antenna with diversity (like the DFin from RFVenue), then you'll be fine. You can use the directionality to your advantage by facing the antenna away from the LED wall, but even with facing it towards a large LED wall while combining 16 wireless mics I did not experience any issues.
@Steve Cobb thank you for the info. We are using an rfvenue system with a directional antenna so it sounds like we are on the right track. I will do some research. The led wall would be on a strong rejection side. Is there any pre installation testing we could do? I.E. mimic standard rf that an led wall produces and place that device in the area and see if we have interference? Appreciate the response
@@joemeckley2017 There's no way to mimic the interference from an LED wall as the amount of interference will be different depending on the quality of manufacturing and installation, but one thing you can do is use a spectrum analyzer or Shure wireless workbench to scan your environment. Be sure to scan the environment with your mics turned on. Your wireless mics need to be at least 20dB above the RF noise floor. An LED wall will generally raise the noise floor and cheap LED walls may even throw RF spikes as strong as a wireless mic out in the same spectrum as your wireless mics. If your mics are 30dB above the noise floor or more, I wouldn't worry about it. You can also install an inline bandpass filter from RF Venue and that will eliminate the ranges outside of your wireless mic system so that the sensitivity of the receivers aren't affected by noise outside of their spectrum.
@Steve Cobb awesome! I do utilize wireless workbench and did some initial scans to deploy frequencies to our different devices but I need to go back and look at the logs and see what the floor level was at. Probably wouldn't hurt to do a fresh scan in general. We get a lot of TV stations off the ocean. Appreciate all the info. I did read about cheap panels having more RF interference than higher quality ones and even being specific about getting panels from the same lot# can help mitigate inconsistencies. A lot of that seems to come from the quality of the distributor or installer.
Good work Brother 👏👏👏👏
A giant TV screen allows you to create an "experience "?
Do we need flat screens everywhere from in our pockets to jumbo screen at church?
What cam and lens is it filmed with. Thanks.
My question is, what is the minimum spec of mac or pc should i have to be able to output to so many monitors? We used m1 pro mac and it struggles to output to 5 monitors with stable fps (the fps keeps dropping). Recently we switch to PC with RTX 30, but still I see hiccup on fps. Anyway, great vid! Keep it up. Greetings from Indonesia :)
This all depends on your LED set up. If its just one wall and can fit into a single possessor you would only need one port. The bigger you get the more complex it gets . You can do multiple walls with one port but again it starts getting complex and will have to do a little more work on the pre production side (making content that fits the layout).
Specs wise, again depending on what you are wanting to play back. 1080, 2k, 4k... if you are doing LED you should have a dedicated computer for it. if you are doing 1080 a M1 mac pro should have plenty of juice. (without the other displays you have)
Tbh this is less of a church and more of a concert venue
Open gate intro?
How are they running it as one big screen? It looks like in Pro7 only running it as two separate screens
How many signals is ProPresentor sending to the novastar? Is it just 1 sdi to novastar? 🥶😅
I wanna know how much it cost for all of their LED though…
@@FiresideCC 23 ft x 11 ft or 23 inches x 11ft?!
@@zacharyngarza ft x ft lol
@@FiresideCC Who is the supplier?
@@FiresideCC would love to connect and get More info!
I'm disappointed you don't point out the negatives. Cost, Heat, Light on stage that has to be balance with brighter stage lights. Decent cameras that don't get blown out by the LED wall light. Assembly and Diassembly/storage for a church that has to setup every week. It could easily add an hour or two to setup times. Do you know how long a 75" TV takes to setup? 5 minutes. With how thin and light TV's are getting it will trickle down to locking panels (maybe 3'x4'?) that are simplier to connect (build in without cables) and easier to hang. Then I'll jump in. It would be more down to earth on the price as well.
Different applications though. They aren't using these as tv replacements because they are wanting a larger footprint. LED walls are more comparable to front or rear mount projector applications at sizes much larger than a 75" diagonal. There are some downsides, cost and processing being two but again you have to look at what your space and application is asking and I think they did a good job of prefacing that this is what worked for their application. I.e stage depth, unable to mount front or rear projectors, outside application needing high brightness, etc. Every space is different
@@joemeckley2017 Fair enough. Depends on the needs, but lighting interaction from a giant screen is considerable, so cost of the lighting that has to go with it should be a part of the consideration of a video wall. A 75" doesn't have these issues, as I can light something dimly with good lighting and it shows up great on livestream. Perhaps a proper diming video walls with fine resolution will eventually be the solution.
@Kurt Vanzo you would run into a similar issue with a projector at say 8500 lumens, so proper lighting is simply proper lighting. I think screen brightness is relative to your ambient light, stage lighting, and throw distance in general which they did address with the outdoor wall. They mentioned that they run it at full brightness because of ambient light but they would never do that in a dark interior because it would be overpowering. That does imply that they have some control of the overall brightness of the panel similar to the brightness adjustment on a TV. My point is simply that it comes back to application and the right tool for the job. The larger something scales it should be expected that the cost, prep work, and knowledge set also would increase. No argument that a TV is simpler to deploy but they no longer becomes viable when you scale size.
@@kurtvanzo5464 You can dim the video wall to mach any lighting applications you need
We use Proclaim. I'm curious if it works as seamlessly as Pro Presenter appears to?
Yes it would work with Proclaim too
Can you split the center LED Wall to show different content?
Should be able to since you can define, zones of panels. Even on the test pattern, each panel has 3 numbers.
Following since I don't know the exact details.
The Novastar processor supports multiple windows, but it's not really made to split on the fly. If you want full control over mapping outputs to different parts of a screen, in my opinion PVP from Renewed Vision is the easiest way to go. You can take in NDI video feeds from Pro Presenter or other sources (or use media inside of PVP) and then map them to either the full screen, two halves, or if you want to do 1/3 and 2/3 you can do that. Basically, whatever you can think of in terms of mapping a video source to a screen or multiple screens, PVP can do it.
how much was it?
If that guy said “experience” one more time 😂
How are they sending the IMAG image to the projectors without latency?
Depending on everything its ran through (if decent broadcast equipment) there will only be millisecond latency, not very noticeable to the human eye
@@noahrhuskey is it all going through the switcher or what?
@@carleybmoore I would imagine so, so they can control if it’s true imag or ad loop or any other graphics
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WOW! just kidding. LED walls... when a church needs flash to cover up for having no substance.
here's a tech tip for the video guy: avoid shallow depth of filed. We cant see anyting - its not a feature film! ;)