So Sid wants to suspended him more because of something he “might” do??!? Minority report much? I would have done EXACTLY what Kassian did. You can’t keep hitting a guy and NOT have him snap to get you to stop. Not happening.
Tkachuk is banking on exactly that. Kassian ultimately did what Tkachuk wanted. He snapped, Tkachuk refused to answer for it, Kassian was penalized, Flames won on a PPG from the resulting penalty. Checkmate, Tkachuk. I did appreciate Kassian's response though about how he said now that he knows why those hits were legal, he will use it to his advantage. It's the only way to play with rats is to play on the edge like them. Especially rats who won't drop the gloves.
I think his point isn't what he might do, it was that Kassian was thumbing his nose at Parros by saying stupid stuff to the media, right after he was punished for saying stupid stuff to the media. He didn't articulate it very well, but that was what I took away from it.
Ken Klak and this is the problem. The league has no way of knowing what kind of payback he’s going to dish out. If he kills Tkachuk out there are we all going to say ‘hey, way to go Kassian! He deserved it!’ No probably not
Parros just opened the pandora's box, now that Kassian revealed the league's statement on those hits, players are going to start doing the exact same hit like Tkachuk did. Guess we are going back to the old time hockey.
So Tkachuk moves out of position multiple times and runs Kassian, officials turn a blind eye, but DOPS suspends Kassian for dealing with it? What a terrible job they're doing.
This is a great point and the whole situation, to me, puts a blinding light on how poor the officiating in the NHL has been the past few years. If the officials on and off ice aren't going to do something about the events in a game...the players will, that's how the game has always worked. You can't just set a precedent that players can run anyone any time and expect to never take responsibility for their actions. The NHL literally just said, "Do whatever you want...but don't you dare retaliate, ever." really bad precedent.
Tyler Ganske that’s exactly it! This is what Kassian is saying that the NHL has set a precedent and that blind sided hits are clean. NHL has got it wrong. Blind sided hits are more dangerous than fighting. NHL is going in the wrong direction. The 2 games is too much.
Tyler Frohlich You cant just sit there pounding on a guy that’s not wanting to fight back, this is the current state of the nhl. If a guy doesn’t want to fight, you can’t force him too, the way it is nowadays.
Sid doesn't like to admit that he's wrong, so he keeps trying to cover up his argument with meaningless debates coming out of his big mouth which makes him look more of a coward
In your whole life you've never heard a sports pundit with a worse take? Ever? And you didn't limit it to sports. He's the most unintelligent guy you've heard, ever. Ever?
Sid telling someone to stop talking is hilarious, Sid can’t stand not hearing his own voice. He doesn’t even listen probably when other are talking ( he is just thinking of his response)
Sid would add extra game for being idiot in front of microphone? Well, Sid is being idiot in front of microphone all the time (and twice as much last few days) and nobody is suspending him. Soooo.....yeah :D
Exactly right. Unintelligent people dont truly listen. Instead they have a response already cooking before the other person is done speaking. Cant stand that.
I couldn't agree more. I thought Tim totally dissected every argument he was trying to make here with logic and common sense. Tkachuk's hit may not have been called a penalty, but he took two runs at the guy and hit him hard in the head with one, knocking off his helmet. And HE bragged about that after the game as well. The NHL is playing a dangerous game here by letting that go, and by punishing one guy but not the other.
As a penguins fan ill take kassian on my team everyday of the week!! You take a run (Tom Wilson) at anyone on this team ill stand up for my teammates. And tell the media and league whats what. Ya as a player or coach we lost the game and he got suspended. But thats a guy i want on my team.
I do agree to the extent that Kassian should be careful saying that he's "going after" someone, because now if Kassian does something and ends up injuring Tkachuk, now it could be argued that its premeditated and get him in WAY more trouble. Honestly, whole situation would have been avoided if Tkachuk got a penalty for the first hit, which was, let's say, probably a little too far over the line.
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I'm Flames fan, i don't believe Kassian should have got suspended it should have ended with the 10 min misconduct and the double minor. But with that being said, I can't wait for January 29th and February 1st, I hope it lives up to the hype.
@@jaideepbura1936 it's sort of a grey area... he went in with full intent to injure a player in a compromised position. I know... I played hockey for years, Turtle could have backed off easily and still checked Kassian, but he went in to hurt... and he knew it... he skated away like a scared girl , legal or not. Do you even skate bro?
@@kevinkarbonik2928 I get what you're talking about but you gotta understand that Kassian fell for it hook line and whether or not its predatory the hit was LEGAL. If it was another player lets say Rinaldo i would have been pissed if he didn't fight Kassian but Tkachuk is our leading scorer, would you be upset if Mcdavid or Draisatl took a run at lucic or Rinaldo and then not fight them.
@@jaideepbura1936 That's the thing... McDavid or Draisatl would know better than to do that. Turtle does not seem to get that.. he plays big and tough when it suits him then runs like a girl when someone wants to have a word with him. you explained it perfectly.
The fact is tkachuk got the massage... a game later he played against the Canadians and guess what he was a scared little girl out there because he knew he'll have to answer to weber if he takes a run on one of the little guys
If Tkachuk had answered the bell after delivering those hits on Kassian , all would have been fine. That's the code , you know it, I know it. Don't pretend Tkachuk is an honorable player and is a victim here.
Sid you realize most of the league thinks the player safety got this wrong right if they add extra there will be alot of angry fans what I'm hoping for is kassian to head shot tkachuk like he did to kassian
So a guy who has thrown his fair share of big hits gets rocked by two LEGAL checks thrown by Matthew Tkachuk , and everyone loses their mind (??). They weren't illegal , he didn't target the head , he's not a fourth liner throwing a flying elbow at star player al a Steve Moore/Marcus Naslund ... and he chose not to defend those hits. He shouldn't have to , they're legal. What Kassian did in response was brutal. He threw 10 PUNCHES at a guy not wanting to engage , and tossed him backwards toward the ice twice while without a helmet. He could have killed him. Christ , Bertuzzi only threw one punch at Steve Moore. No one wants hitting taken out of the game , but I think everyone wants irrational , dangerous responses taken out.
I guess George Parros , who deemed the hits legal , must be on crack as well (?). And I guess Brian Burke must be on crack too ? Even he insists that a guy shouldn't have to fight to defend throwing a clean hit ... and that's coming from an old time , hard nosed hockey expert. I'm guessing you're a butt hurt Oiler's fan ?
@@onepieceofgumleft just don't cry when tkachuk gets hit with a "clean" hit... or if johnny hockey is plastered with a "clean" hit as well. The parameters has been set so don't cry about it when these "clean" hits come for your guys. Things have a way in balancing out in hockey.
Roger St.Jacques just leuge doesn’t want Safety players 2 hits on Kassian head not even call penalties there is something wrong either leuge doesn’t care about safety players or was personal with Kassian or League dose not like oilers make playoffs
If kassian dropped to the ice and held his head after the first hit Matthew would be the one getting games I wish the NHL would figure out their rules. is he offside? was that goaltender interference ? Is that a bad hit? Come on guys this is getting old
As a Bruins fan, and a Canadian, I love how kassian reacted, the guy ran him twice. This is hockey. A big boy sport. If you make the hit you gotta know who you’re hitting, no one runs lucic or chara, they just know it’s not a smart idea.
Rule 42 of the NHL rulebook dictates that charging "shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner" How was that first hit and even the third hit not charging? What am I missing here?
There was also head contact with the first one. Rule 48.1 illegal check to the head. A later or blindside hit This is the first hit and is an automatic major penalty and a game misconduct. But this is never called by refs so is just a waste of space in the rule book
Sid jusy hates the oilers and he is getting an idiot when they start talking bout them. After last season: Drai won't be that good offensively. McDavid and Draisaitl are not doing enough, other stars do more After two months played: Is Draisaitl the league mvp?
Sid should thank his lucky stars that SportsNet doesn't hand out suspensions for "being an idiot in front of a microphone" as he suggests the NHL should do.
@Sid Parros just opened the pandora's box, now that Kassian revealed the league's statement on those hits, players are going to start doing the exact same hit like Tkachuk did.
Turdchuck had an opportunity to squash the problem. Turdchuck opted for the turtle up and not be accountable for his actions.... Kassian flat out admitted that Parros gave him a road map on how fix his problem "legally" in the rules of the game. Dig in boys, because if Kassian is smart, he targets Johnny Hockey exactly as he was hit, and then let's Turdchuck suffer a code red for his actions. Its the players policing the players when the league fails the players....
The three hits I seen should have be charging call's period! As far as I'm concerned, the league does not care for the well being of Kassian. FYI Sid, Kassian will be an Oiler bud! He is LOVED here! He is a heart and soul guy who has come a long way from what he was! The way i look at it, this about player safety and when the ref's don't make the call's that defuse situation. Thing's will escalate and then cause things like this happen. If memory serves me right, we had this same discussion when Lucic went after Joseph last year for running Russell I believe.
@@chrisreddy8958 @ Charging is a penalty in ice hockey. Rule 42 of the NHL rulebook dictates that charging "shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner.
If you're going to go head hunting, then embarrass the refs, and then rag doll, the refs are not going to protect you. He better leave the next game swinging or he will be a target the rest of his career.
I think Tkachuk will always be a target. He's half as smart as he thinks he is, and he's not liked among players. Honestly, I don't think his teammates appreciate his attempts to injure. If I were Johnny Hockey or Monahan, I'd be looking over my shoulder every time Kassian is on the ice.
This latest supposed battle of Alberta feels like it's being manufactured by the media. Do they just want to create dislike between the flames and Oilers? Perhaps dislike between Edmonton and Calgary. I'm sure I'm wrong. Just me and my conspiracy frame of mind.
Thank god for Tim in this segment cause this would be unwatchable otherwise. How is Sid is god damn stupid..? First, stop bringing up Tkachuk as the better player as if anyone in hockey believes Kassian is a better HOCKEY player, strictly based off the actual game of hockey, not even a single Oilers fan would argue with that. Second, he wants the NHL to tack on another game to his suspension after the fact for what he said in a medium scrum? Kassian could’ve went missing till the next battle of Alberta and everyone would know what Zack is planning on doing in their next meeting. Going to suspend someone for saying stuff we already know? Alright bud. Also find it hilarious that Tkachuk can throw those “predatory” hits because he’s “smart and smooth” about it and one isn’t because he spoke to the media. NHL player safety is going to have a fun time with this one cause you can bet your ass that one of Mcdavid, Draisitl, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Kassian, etc are going to be nailed by that exact same hit and they won’t be able to do anything about it. Unless that rat drops the gloves next game, it’s going to be a fun but very dangerous battle of Alberta.
Kenneth Zubiri that’s joke for the leuge can’t find any stupid like Parros some one get hurt when 2 hit tkchuck on Kassian are ok then where is safety an idiot
sid calling other people dumb when he can't even listen properly himself. it may not be smart but we need more honesty in postgame interviews(tortorella).
If you come into this check at 70% and with your hips and forearm at waist height you could tactically check a guy good clean and fast and still have your stickhand free. Honestly thachuk just headhunting is preventing it from being a great way for wings to break a cycle.
Suspending a guy for defending and protecting himself from predatory, charging and a head hit. If NHLDPS said Mathew if you are going to run around doing that you have to expect you will break someone. That’s what you did
Tim and Zack. Zack should quit playing hockey, gets hit cleanly and still starts a fight, with an unwilling combatant in Tkachuk. Thanks for the power play, Zack, and the GWG. 👍
My real question as well is why would tkachuk not hit anyone else like that only kassian he's head hunting and he better watch himself heck drew doughty already said he's the least respected player in the game
L J uh because he knows kassian is a sensitive baby just like doughty. And it’s cute that you believe doughty. Doughty just thinks Tkachuk is the least respected because doughty respects him the least. It’s just doughty talking out of his ass
So when I was 16, I was suspended for half a season for what they called Deliberate intent to injure. those hits were predatory, not really dirty. But predatory none the less. Kassion need`s a longer suspention, and Tkachuck need`s to be fined at least. hockey really needs to introduce the flagrant foul. If it looks on pourpose, watch out.
Hockey... contact sport. Keep whining about these hits and the contact will eventually be gone. Good on Tkachuk for knocking his block off. That's what the fans want. Legal, and he got the best of Kassian in the game and after.
@@boomds5602 Turtlechuk is a nickname buddy, are you too stupid to realize how nicknames work? You use them over and over so they stiiiick, get it now?
If you look at the video the first hit was directly on Kassian's head though with the shoulder. Why is that not a dangerous hit? And why was the first hit not a penalty?
Bortuzzo crosschecked Arvidsson in the back... and when he realized he was getting a penalty, out of spite, crosschecked him AGAIN! Arvidsson was injured because of it. All Bortuzzo got was FOUR GAMES. Kassian got half as many games for... what...? Defending himself from predatory hits by a gutless coward...? Tkachuk targeted Kassian, Tkachuk charged Kassian. And Parros just coincidently sets up the rematch...!? This is Vince McMahon stuff
Sid is a goof. He talks for the sake of hearing him talk. He has no stability in his opinions and most of the time he doesn't have a clue on issues he speaks of. Sid reminds me of emo kids who wear weird sh!t to stand out.
This jan 29th gm will be a one that milan lucic will be awaken. Oilers better have their heads up. Don't think lucic would level mcdavid, but anyone else will be fair gm. The best thing tkatchuk can do is fight. Kassian early in the gm. Oilers are gonna have to stay away from taking point less penalties. End of gm will be something to watch. I hope tkachuk gets laid out or KO'd in a fight.
i have no dog in this fight, but i definitely respect that Kassian said and did what he did. displayed huge leadership in my opinion, and wasn't stupid at all. i believe in players policing themselves. real leadership means you have to put your own neck and own reputation on the line, Zach Kassian i would follow you into battle any day. Sid might not have ever played a competitive contact sport, and has only an intellectual understanding but not a visceral one of the chemical cocktail that courses through you when you feel you've wronged. having said all that, the NHL probably did have to suspend Kassian a minor length of games just to cover it's own ass, so they probably got it right.
Replace Sid with biznasty and this show would be worth watching.there isn’t one person in the comments that wants Sid here. Sportsnet, listen, before everyone just quits watching i don’t anymore unless they have someone else talking like Biznasty he had the best explanation of this whole situation it was so helpful. Because he’s actually played and understands what it’s like to be hit, fight and play the game
The hit should be a penalty. It's predatory. At the very least it's charging. NHL says the hit is OK because it always has been OK. But it's always been a chicken^^^^ hit. The players know it. If the league doesn't deal with it the players have to.
I’m on kassians side I really want to see this game and I want to see him make a similar hit I want to see parros sweat on this one all of this is good for hockey
cbinsyd then you’re an idiot. How can you let a guy go back out there when he’s threatening to injure another player? Player safety has no idea if this Neanderthal plans a Todd bertuzzi type of payback or a Tkachuk type of payback
To much no suspension needed he needs to learn if your gonna hit that way you’ve gotta pay the price! Period that was definitely predatory hits borderline clean that’s fine but you’ve gotta expect a reaction
I see a lot of people complaining that Tkachuk didn't fight Kassion. Saying he's a p*&%y. I think Tkachuks reaction in that moment was right for his team. He drew the penalty and his team was able to score on the power play to win the game. Not only that but he is in the heads of everyone on that Edmonton bench. I think that is good place to be when it comes to a divisional rival. I don't agree with giving Kassion 2 games he maybe should have been fined for throwing an opponent to the ice from behind, but ultimately he served his double minor and misconduct penalties in game it should have been left at that. Maybe fine him for his off ice comments.
The suspension is a complete joke. The exact same situation happened between these two players last season during a battle of Alberta and there was no suspension. Why? Because this is a part of hockey. If Tkachuk had hit McDavid like that, anf Kassian reacted like this would Kassian have been suspended for stepping in and defending his teammate? The answer is no. So wht suspend him here? The NHL needs to be more consistent in their rulings.
Yo if you are hockey player or former player or even fan you don’t bring that dirty play in a joking way or a bragging way about something should be done.
Boom ds I wouldn’t go that far. He’s a passionate player who plays (and talks) with lots of intensity. Tkachuk definitely outwitted him, but I love seeing the fire.
Does the NHL allow the hit when Kassian levels Tkachuk the same way that he was hit? Does the NHL allow Matthews or Marner to be hit like Kassian without a penalty and a fine? The answer to both is No. It was Kassian and the Oilers, so just shut up and take whatever Tkachuk does to you. The NHL "Lack of Player Safety" Department does it again.
Lmao are you guys not onto Sid's thing yet? Do people seriously think he's being legit? The guy is just taking the opposing side to whatever Tim says. He's there to represent the other side to maximize their audience. That being said, you can tell Kassian prepared that speech ahead of time lmao. What a goof.
Man I think both the hits and the fight were scary. Kassian was just pounding Tkachuk’s head in fury and rage with no chance of retaliation it wasn’t a fight it was a beating. And tkachuks hits were sending Kassian’s helmet flying off and his body being flung into the boards, what if that was his head being tossed into the boards at that speed.
I think it is blatantly obvious that the by NHL player Safety handled this incident incredibly poorly by giving their blessing to the Tkachuck hits and ironically is making the game far less safe for the players. The head of the department which has the mandate of curbing violence in the game owns a clothing line that prints shirts with the slogan “Make hockey violent again “. How insane is that??? Why did they hire him? All I can think is that the NHL is concerned about dropping attendance and is hoping an increase in violence will reverse that. They want more hits like these. They ruled the hit as legal, not because it is In the players’ interest, but because it makes money. It’s all about money. Look at the interest that has been generated by them already. Now even non Oiler and flame fans are eagerly anticipating the next game between these teams.
Hey speaking of slew footing, does anybody remember how Tkachuk slew footed Brandon Davidson in his first NHL game and didnt even get a penalty meanwhile Davidson missed weeks?
Kassian has every right to absolutely destroy Tkachuk the next game they play. If the league doesn't want players getting revenge, they shouldn't be condoning the acts that made players want it in the first place.
"For being an idiot in front of microphones." Isn't that what your entire show revolves around though? So...neither of these two have ever, in their entire careers, said anything idiotic in front of a microphone? Hm...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Sid is arguing for arguments sake. And it's not even a valid argument. Saying "Apparently the way Takchuk hit me is legal, so I will remember that for next game and he should watch out." If he's saying he is gonna do what the league deemed as legal hits to Tkachuk, then I don't think you can discipline him if he is gonna be within the bounds of Player Safety's rules.
To be fair, Tkachuk should've been kicked from the game in the first period for a check to the head. For a sport that's trying hard to clean up it's act, to hear people celebrating Kassian attacking a player the way he did is beyond idiotic.
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"One guy is just smarter than the other." - Sid. Yeah, and that guy in this conversation is Tim.
Ha, Tim agreed with him on that. : )
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Bruce O'Brien he wasn’t wrong. Tkachuk was much smarter about how he handled it
I feel bad for Tim. Sid is so irritating to listen to - he has no idea what he is talking about.
So Sid wants to suspended him more because of something he “might” do??!? Minority report much? I would have done EXACTLY what Kassian did. You can’t keep hitting a guy and NOT have him snap to get you to stop. Not happening.
Tkachuk is banking on exactly that. Kassian ultimately did what Tkachuk wanted. He snapped, Tkachuk refused to answer for it, Kassian was penalized, Flames won on a PPG from the resulting penalty. Checkmate, Tkachuk.
I did appreciate Kassian's response though about how he said now that he knows why those hits were legal, he will use it to his advantage. It's the only way to play with rats is to play on the edge like them. Especially rats who won't drop the gloves.
I think his point isn't what he might do, it was that Kassian was thumbing his nose at Parros by saying stupid stuff to the media, right after he was punished for saying stupid stuff to the media. He didn't articulate it very well, but that was what I took away from it.
shiftgears211 he could have thrown a punishing hit on him instead of acting like a lunatic. Too bad Matt is too fast for him to catch
Ken Klak and this is the problem. The league has no way of knowing what kind of payback he’s going to dish out. If he kills Tkachuk out there are we all going to say ‘hey, way to go Kassian! He deserved it!’ No probably not
@@kenklak Good point. Round 1 to Tkachuk then.
Parros just opened the pandora's box, now that Kassian revealed the league's statement on those hits, players are going to start doing the exact same hit like Tkachuk did. Guess we are going back to the old time hockey.
Parros still suffering from head trauma his decision is going to see more injuries down the road
So Tkachuk moves out of position multiple times and runs Kassian, officials turn a blind eye, but DOPS suspends Kassian for dealing with it?
What a terrible job they're doing.
This is a great point and the whole situation, to me, puts a blinding light on how poor the officiating in the NHL has been the past few years. If the officials on and off ice aren't going to do something about the events in a game...the players will, that's how the game has always worked. You can't just set a precedent that players can run anyone any time and expect to never take responsibility for their actions. The NHL literally just said, "Do whatever you want...but don't you dare retaliate, ever." really bad precedent.
Hey now, leave Matty alone. He’s just doing his job.
@@dan-b-gone6557 What? Headshooting people from their blind spots?
Tyler Ganske that’s exactly it! This is what Kassian is saying that the NHL has set a precedent and that blind sided hits are clean. NHL has got it wrong. Blind sided hits are more dangerous than fighting. NHL is going in the wrong direction. The 2 games is too much.
Tyler Frohlich You cant just sit there pounding on a guy that’s not wanting to fight back, this is the current state of the nhl. If a guy doesn’t want to fight, you can’t force him too, the way it is nowadays.
This shows great. Tim is the logical, voice of reason, sid talks out his butt when he doesnt have crap to say.
Sid doesn't like to admit that he's wrong, so he keeps trying to cover up his argument with meaningless debates coming out of his big mouth which makes him look more of a coward
Tim > Sid. Sid shut up.
Sid is the most unintelligent guy I’ve ever listened to
In your whole life you've never heard a sports pundit with a worse take? Ever? And you didn't limit it to sports. He's the most unintelligent guy you've heard, ever. Ever?
I'm Team Kassian
Then your on a CLOWN'S team
Sid has a lot of bad takes, and this one is no exception
Aussie Mossie love when Tim puts him in his place
Sid telling someone to stop talking is hilarious, Sid can’t stand not hearing his own voice. He doesn’t even listen probably when other are talking ( he is just thinking of his response)
Sid would add extra game for being idiot in front of microphone? Well, Sid is being idiot in front of microphone all the time (and twice as much last few days) and nobody is suspending him. Soooo.....yeah :D
Exactly right. Unintelligent people dont truly listen. Instead they have a response already cooking before the other person is done speaking. Cant stand that.
Sid's takes aren't hot. He's trying too hard.
Men with small pencil penises do that.
I couldn't agree more. I thought Tim totally dissected every argument he was trying to make here with logic and common sense. Tkachuk's hit may not have been called a penalty, but he took two runs at the guy and hit him hard in the head with one, knocking off his helmet. And HE bragged about that after the game as well. The NHL is playing a dangerous game here by letting that go, and by punishing one guy but not the other.
sid tries too hard to be like stephen a smith
too hard on hating the oilers
I'm honestly starting to get irritated with seixeiro. Talking about being dumb in front of microphones is ironic coming from him.
clearly Sid have never taken 2 blind side hits from and 200+ lbs man before.
@Joshua Rehaluk it's getting to a point now where I think he's going to kill the show
As a penguins fan ill take kassian on my team everyday of the week!! You take a run (Tom Wilson) at anyone on this team ill stand up for my teammates. And tell the media and league whats what. Ya as a player or coach we lost the game and he got suspended. But thats a guy i want on my team.
Get rid of Sid and hire someone who is intelligent as Tim. Imagine hiring a guy named Jim. Tim&Jim show!
Tom would be better in my opinion lol
There is nothing more scary then a kass saying "I now know what you can and can't do"
All we need now is a playoff series between the flames and oil
Brayden Rekimowich Oilers in 6
That would require the Oilers making the playoffs. IMO, that's not going to happen.
@@Canman99 lol your funny like stupid idiot funny.
@Lonnor Mcsaitl 2997 They still haven't made the playoffs. There might not even be playoffs.
I do agree to the extent that Kassian should be careful saying that he's "going after" someone, because now if Kassian does something and ends up injuring Tkachuk, now it could be argued that its premeditated and get him in WAY more trouble. Honestly, whole situation would have been avoided if Tkachuk got a penalty for the first hit, which was, let's say, probably a little too far over the line.
I agree. The refs are the one, in my opinion, who mishandled and subsequently caused this whole situation.
Hansome Chaos I agree 100% the officiating has been horrible and only trending worse. So inconsistent like it’s controlled by bettman
The NHL should have suspended both players. Each 2 games......then shut up ,and play hockey.
..........just sayin.
FAT and HANDSOME completely agree. Not a fan of either team
I mean, totally. Problem is Parros is just dogshit at his job, and Tkachuk gets a pass because Calgary.
NO
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Alex Tollah because Calgary? No one cares about Calgary. It’s because he’s a star and kassian isnt
I'm Flames fan, i don't believe Kassian should have got suspended it should have ended with the 10 min misconduct and the double minor. But with that being said, I can't wait for January 29th and February 1st, I hope it lives up to the hype.
Turtle should have got 5 and a game on the first hit.
@@kevinkarbonik2928 The first hit wasn't a head shot he hit his shoulder, not his fault Kassian can't strap his helmet on tight enough.
@@jaideepbura1936 it's sort of a grey area... he went in with full intent to injure a player in a compromised position. I know... I played hockey for years, Turtle could have backed off easily and still checked Kassian, but he went in to hurt... and he knew it... he skated away like a scared girl , legal or not. Do you even skate bro?
@@kevinkarbonik2928 I get what you're talking about but you gotta understand that Kassian fell for it hook line and whether or not its predatory the hit was LEGAL. If it was another player lets say Rinaldo i would have been pissed if he didn't fight Kassian but Tkachuk is our leading scorer, would you be upset if Mcdavid or Draisatl took a run at lucic or Rinaldo and then not fight them.
@@jaideepbura1936 That's the thing... McDavid or Draisatl would know better than to do that. Turtle does not seem to get that.. he plays big and tough when it suits him then runs like a girl when someone wants to have a word with him. you explained it perfectly.
The fact is tkachuk got the massage... a game later he played against the Canadians and guess what he was a scared little girl out there because he knew he'll have to answer to weber if he takes a run on one of the little guys
If Tkachuk had answered the bell after delivering those hits on Kassian , all would have been fine. That's the code , you know it, I know it. Don't pretend Tkachuk is an honorable player and is a victim here.
Sid you realize most of the league thinks the player safety got this wrong right if they add extra there will be alot of angry fans what I'm hoping for is kassian to head shot tkachuk like he did to kassian
L J then you need serious mental help. You don’t know either of these players so why do you care?
So a guy who has thrown his fair share of big hits gets rocked by two LEGAL checks thrown by Matthew Tkachuk , and everyone loses their mind (??). They weren't illegal , he didn't target the head , he's not a fourth liner throwing a flying elbow at star player al a Steve Moore/Marcus Naslund ... and he chose not to defend those hits. He shouldn't have to , they're legal. What Kassian did in response was brutal. He threw 10 PUNCHES at a guy not wanting to engage , and tossed him backwards toward the ice twice while without a helmet. He could have killed him. Christ , Bertuzzi only threw one punch at Steve Moore. No one wants hitting taken out of the game , but I think everyone wants irrational , dangerous responses taken out.
You sir are a homer and on crack.
I guess George Parros , who deemed the hits legal , must be on crack as well (?). And I guess Brian Burke must be on crack too ? Even he insists that a guy shouldn't have to fight to defend throwing a clean hit ... and that's coming from an old time , hard nosed hockey expert. I'm guessing you're a butt hurt Oiler's fan ?
@@onepieceofgumleft just don't cry when tkachuk gets hit with a "clean" hit... or if johnny hockey is plastered with a "clean" hit as well. The parameters has been set so don't cry about it when these "clean" hits come for your guys. Things have a way in balancing out in hockey.
Wasn't Kassian given 2 minors and a 10 min misconduct? To me that was enough of a punishment. The suspension actually made the situation worse
Yup. He’s losing 2 game cheques and that’s going to make him more emotional toward the situation and the upcoming game than he already was
Roger St.Jacques just leuge doesn’t want Safety players 2 hits on Kassian head not even call penalties there is something wrong either leuge doesn’t care about safety players or was personal with Kassian or League dose not like oilers make playoffs
If kassian dropped to the ice and held his head after the first hit Matthew would be the one getting games I wish the NHL would figure out their rules. is he offside? was that goaltender interference ? Is that a bad hit? Come on guys this is getting old
As a Bruins fan, and a Canadian, I love how kassian reacted, the guy ran him twice. This is hockey. A big boy sport. If you make the hit you gotta know who you’re hitting, no one runs lucic or chara, they just know it’s not a smart idea.
Turns out Lucic is on Calgary now. Didn't know this until the other night.
@@PreDopeTV Yeah, hes been gone from boston for years now, was in edmonton before calgary.
"Add another game to the suspension"
"Why"
"For speaking into the microphone"
Sid where is your brain cells?
Where 'are'.
He said for speaking like an idiot in the microphones. Get the whole speech in there next time.
Difference is oilers are still hung up on it and going about it publicly and flames might be hung up on it but only in that dressing room.
Yeah because the rest of his teammates doesn't agree with the way tkachuk plays the game.
Rule 42 of the NHL rulebook dictates that charging "shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner"
How was that first hit and even the third hit not charging? What am I missing here?
There was also head contact with the first one.
Rule 48.1 illegal check to the head. A later or blindside hit
This is the first hit and is an automatic major penalty and a game misconduct.
But this is never called by refs so is just a waste of space in the rule book
I disagree with Sid in this conversation. Like what?
Turtle-chuk deserves whatever comes his way and the NHL is out of it for handihrg out a suspension
Sid wants to ban Kass an extra game for "being an idiot" in front of a microphone, can we have Sid sit out a show because he's being just that?
Haaaaa sid saying " for being idiots in front of microphones" how ironic is that
Sid jusy hates the oilers and he is getting an idiot when they start talking bout them. After last season: Drai won't be that good offensively.
McDavid and Draisaitl are not doing enough, other stars do more
After two months played: Is Draisaitl the league mvp?
Sid should thank his lucky stars that SportsNet doesn't hand out suspensions for "being an idiot in front of a microphone" as he suggests the NHL should do.
Can Sportsnet quit with these segments? Perhaps upload a Tim one whenever it’s just him.
@Sid Parros just opened the pandora's box, now that Kassian revealed the league's statement on those hits, players are going to start doing the exact same hit like Tkachuk did.
I don’t know why I bother listening to Sid anymore, but here I am.
Turdchuck had an opportunity to squash the problem. Turdchuck opted for the turtle up and not be accountable for his actions.... Kassian flat out admitted that Parros gave him a road map on how fix his problem "legally" in the rules of the game.
Dig in boys, because if Kassian is smart, he targets Johnny Hockey exactly as he was hit, and then let's Turdchuck suffer a code red for his actions. Its the players policing the players when the league fails the players....
Safety is properly tightening your helmet strap.
5 players with 13 goals or more on the Oilers. That's pretty average across the league it seems right now
The three hits I seen should have be charging call's period! As far as I'm concerned, the league does not care for the well being of Kassian. FYI Sid, Kassian will be an Oiler bud! He is LOVED here! He is a heart and soul guy who has come a long way from what he was! The way i look at it, this about player safety and when the ref's don't make the call's that defuse situation. Thing's will escalate and then cause things like this happen. If memory serves me right, we had this same discussion when Lucic went after Joseph last year for running Russell I believe.
look up the definition of charging, they definately were not charging calls lol, they were all clean hits
@@chrisreddy8958 @ Charging is a penalty in ice hockey. Rule 42 of the NHL rulebook dictates that charging "shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner.
@@chrisreddy8958 you on crack?
just scrolled through the comments to see how many is bashing Sid, it's almost everyone.
If you're going to go head hunting, then embarrass the refs, and then rag doll, the refs are not going to protect you. He better leave the next game swinging or he will be a target the rest of his career.
I think Tkachuk will always be a target. He's half as smart as he thinks he is, and he's not liked among players. Honestly, I don't think his teammates appreciate his attempts to injure. If I were Johnny Hockey or Monahan, I'd be looking over my shoulder every time Kassian is on the ice.
Zero depth Sid? Edmonton’s secondary scoring is on par with the leafs wtf are spewing about?
I thought the hits looked dirty. He almost took guys head off twice!
you can't add games for his comments.... LOL Tkachuk's comments after the game were just as bad!
This latest supposed battle of Alberta feels like it's being manufactured by the media. Do they just want to create dislike between the flames and Oilers? Perhaps dislike between Edmonton and Calgary. I'm sure I'm wrong. Just me and my conspiracy frame of mind.
Calgarian here, i hope Kassian destroys Tkachuk on the 29th. Someone will get hurt, brawls,all NHL fault.
Emmett Lathrop Brown go home. You’re drunk
@@boomds5602 take off your rose colored glasses.
So kassian would gladly take a 4 min and lose the game?
Thank god for Tim in this segment cause this would be unwatchable otherwise. How is Sid is god damn stupid..?
First, stop bringing up Tkachuk as the better player as if anyone in hockey believes Kassian is a better HOCKEY player, strictly based off the actual game of hockey, not even a single Oilers fan would argue with that. Second, he wants the NHL to tack on another game to his suspension after the fact for what he said in a medium scrum? Kassian could’ve went missing till the next battle of Alberta and everyone would know what Zack is planning on doing in their next meeting. Going to suspend someone for saying stuff we already know? Alright bud.
Also find it hilarious that Tkachuk can throw those “predatory” hits because he’s “smart and smooth” about it and one isn’t because he spoke to the media. NHL player safety is going to have a fun time with this one cause you can bet your ass that one of Mcdavid, Draisitl, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Kassian, etc are going to be nailed by that exact same hit and they won’t be able to do anything about it. Unless that rat drops the gloves next game, it’s going to be a fun but very dangerous battle of Alberta.
HTF IS PARROS in charge of the player safety ? lol
Kenneth Zubiri that’s joke for the leuge can’t find any stupid like Parros some one get hurt when 2 hit tkchuck on Kassian are ok then where is safety an idiot
sid calling other people dumb when he can't even listen properly himself. it may not be smart but we need more honesty in postgame interviews(tortorella).
If you come into this check at 70% and with your hips and forearm at waist height you could tactically check a guy good clean and fast and still have your stickhand free. Honestly thachuk just headhunting is preventing it from being a great way for wings to break a cycle.
Sid, either you're high or just playing devil's advocate. I LOVED LOVED LOVED Kassian's beat down of the turtle.
Sid is dumb Tim is smart
Suspending a guy for defending and protecting himself from predatory, charging and a head hit.
If NHLDPS said Mathew if you are going to run around doing that you have to expect you will break someone. That’s what you did
Tim and Zack.
Zack should quit playing hockey, gets hit cleanly and still starts a fight, with an unwilling combatant in Tkachuk. Thanks for the power play, Zack, and the GWG. 👍
NHL got it wrong and kassian will hit him clean and hard. Sid you talk to much.
Regan Bodnarchuk I bet he doesn’t and I bet Matt continues to go after him
Tim speaks some truth. Sid’s comments make no sense.
My real question as well is why would tkachuk not hit anyone else like that only kassian he's head hunting and he better watch himself heck drew doughty already said he's the least respected player in the game
L J uh because he knows kassian is a sensitive baby just like doughty. And it’s cute that you believe doughty. Doughty just thinks Tkachuk is the least respected because doughty respects him the least. It’s just doughty talking out of his ass
Who else wants a kassian Jersey now?
So when I was 16, I was suspended for half a season for what they called Deliberate intent to injure. those hits were predatory, not really dirty. But predatory none the less. Kassion need`s a longer suspention, and Tkachuck need`s to be fined at least. hockey really needs to introduce the flagrant foul. If it looks on pourpose, watch out.
Rule 48.1 is never called in the NHL but is called in college and high school.
Hockey... contact sport. Keep whining about these hits and the contact will eventually be gone. Good on Tkachuk for knocking his block off. That's what the fans want. Legal, and he got the best of Kassian in the game and after.
Kassian got a predatory hit, then ragdolled Tkachuk, and now they gave him 2 games to plan his revenge...
Jake McCoy 2 predatory hits
Plan his revenge? Kaveman can barely plan a trip to the west Edmonton mall...
Turtlechuk wouldnt be able to leave the handicapable van if they rolled up to the mall
Mostly Toasty turtlechuck? Wow that’s original. Did you think of that one on your own? That’s awesome! Also your comment made no sense
@@boomds5602 Turtlechuk is a nickname buddy, are you too stupid to realize how nicknames work? You use them over and over so they stiiiick, get it now?
If you look at the video the first hit was directly on Kassian's head though with the shoulder. Why is that not a dangerous hit? And why was the first hit not a penalty?
Bortuzzo crosschecked Arvidsson in the back... and when he realized he was getting a penalty, out of spite, crosschecked him AGAIN! Arvidsson was injured because of it. All Bortuzzo got was FOUR GAMES.
Kassian got half as many games for... what...? Defending himself from predatory hits by a gutless coward...? Tkachuk targeted Kassian, Tkachuk charged Kassian.
And Parros just coincidently sets up the rematch...!?
This is Vince McMahon stuff
Sid is a goof.
He talks for the sake of hearing him talk.
He has no stability in his opinions and most of the time he doesn't have a clue on issues he speaks of.
Sid reminds me of emo kids who wear weird sh!t to stand out.
This jan 29th gm will be a one that milan lucic will be awaken. Oilers better have their heads up. Don't think lucic would level mcdavid, but anyone else will be fair gm. The best thing tkatchuk can do is fight. Kassian early in the gm. Oilers are gonna have to stay away from taking point less penalties. End of gm will be something to watch. I hope tkachuk gets laid out or KO'd in a fight.
Jeremiah Berry he won’t be
This was a big difference than the Darnell Nurse jumping Roman Polak.
In that there was less than 2 minutes left, and the oilers were down 3-0.
i have no dog in this fight, but i definitely respect that Kassian said and did what he did. displayed huge leadership in my opinion, and wasn't stupid at all. i believe in players policing themselves. real leadership means you have to put your own neck and own reputation on the line, Zach Kassian i would follow you into battle any day. Sid might not have ever played a competitive contact sport, and has only an intellectual understanding but not a visceral one of the chemical cocktail that courses through you when you feel you've wronged. having said all that, the NHL probably did have to suspend Kassian a minor length of games just to cover it's own ass, so they probably got it right.
The real tools in the story are George Parros and the referee who have been doing an epicly bad job this season.
Replace Sid with biznasty and this show would be worth watching.there isn’t one person in the comments that wants Sid here. Sportsnet, listen, before everyone just quits watching i don’t anymore unless they have someone else talking like Biznasty he had the best explanation of this whole situation it was so helpful. Because he’s actually played and understands what it’s like to be hit, fight and play the game
The hit should be a penalty. It's predatory. At the very least it's charging. NHL says the hit is OK because it always has been OK. But it's always been a chicken^^^^ hit. The players know it. If the league doesn't deal with it the players have to.
I’m on kassians side I really want to see this game and I want to see him make a similar hit I want to see parros sweat on this one all of this is good for hockey
I understand what Sid is saying, but I'm not remotely close to agreeing with him.
cbinsyd then you’re an idiot. How can you let a guy go back out there when he’s threatening to injure another player? Player safety has no idea if this Neanderthal plans a Todd bertuzzi type of payback or a Tkachuk type of payback
To much no suspension needed he needs to learn if your gonna hit that way you’ve gotta pay the price! Period that was definitely predatory hits borderline clean that’s fine but you’ve gotta expect a reaction
This just looks like the prelude to Bertuzzi v. Moore 2.0
Only difference is Turtlechuck deserves to be knocked out cold
@@zigfield723 enjoy the lawsuits and eventual elimination of fighting from the league.
I was thinking the same thing. If the oilers were to take a cheap shot at the flames it would make them no better and reveal the hypocrisy
You mean Moore insurance fraud 2.0? Lol
Not a chance, if Kassian does that he’s done for the season at the very least if not more...
I see a lot of people complaining that Tkachuk didn't fight Kassion. Saying he's a p*&%y. I think Tkachuks reaction in that moment was right for his team. He drew the penalty and his team was able to score on the power play to win the game. Not only that but he is in the heads of everyone on that Edmonton bench. I think that is good place to be when it comes to a divisional rival. I don't agree with giving Kassion 2 games he maybe should have been fined for throwing an opponent to the ice from behind, but ultimately he served his double minor and misconduct penalties in game it should have been left at that. Maybe fine him for his off ice comments.
Sid is offside on this one.
I feel like khassian gonna get laid out by tkachuk yet again
The suspension is a complete joke.
The exact same situation happened between these two players last season during a battle of Alberta and there was no suspension. Why? Because this is a part of hockey. If Tkachuk had hit McDavid like that, anf Kassian reacted like this would Kassian have been suspended for stepping in and defending his teammate? The answer is no. So wht suspend him here?
The NHL needs to be more consistent in their rulings.
Gymrat1504 ya he probably would have been
Can sportsnet fire sid?
When these guys first came around 10-15 years ago never would have thought Sid would get fatter
Kassian is gonna summon his inner Todd Bertuzzi on Tkachuk
Tkachuk doesn't have the balls to take this any further. Expect Lucic to be moved to his line for the next meeting with the Oil
Yo if you are hockey player or former player or even fan you don’t bring that dirty play in a joking way or a bragging way about something should be done.
Ya and end his season with a suspension?? Not at all
Ely Pevets you’re wrong. He does it with doughty every time they play LA. He continues to go at him every game because he knows it pisses doughty off
Andrew Thompson and that’s exactly why the league might suspend him another game. Because they might be worried about something like that
Non hockey guys talking about hockey. The hypocrisy is staggering
Sid. They’re not giving him an extra game for saying he has a long memory.
Adam Matthews that’s not all he said
Boom ds still, I find it very unlikely he will get a few extra games.
Boom ds I wouldn’t go that far. He’s a passionate player who plays (and talks) with lots of intensity. Tkachuk definitely outwitted him, but I love seeing the fire.
Does the NHL allow the hit when Kassian levels Tkachuk the same way that he was hit?
Does the NHL allow Matthews or Marner to be hit like Kassian without a penalty and a fine?
The answer to both is No. It was Kassian and the Oilers, so just shut up and take whatever Tkachuk does to you.
The NHL "Lack of Player Safety" Department does it again.
Lmao are you guys not onto Sid's thing yet? Do people seriously think he's being legit?
The guy is just taking the opposing side to whatever Tim says. He's there to represent the other side to maximize their audience.
That being said, you can tell Kassian prepared that speech ahead of time lmao. What a goof.
Man I think both the hits and the fight were scary. Kassian was just pounding Tkachuk’s head in fury and rage with no chance of retaliation it wasn’t a fight it was a beating. And tkachuks hits were sending Kassian’s helmet flying off and his body being flung into the boards, what if that was his head being tossed into the boards at that speed.
I think it is blatantly obvious that the by NHL player Safety handled this incident incredibly poorly by giving their blessing to the Tkachuck hits and ironically is making the game far less safe for the players. The head of the department which has the mandate of curbing violence in the game owns a clothing line that prints shirts with the slogan “Make hockey violent again “. How insane is that??? Why did they hire him? All I can think is that the NHL is concerned about dropping attendance and is hoping an increase in violence will reverse that. They want more hits like these. They ruled the hit as legal, not because it is In the players’ interest, but because it makes money. It’s all about money. Look at the interest that has been generated by them already. Now even non Oiler and flame fans are eagerly anticipating the next game between these teams.
Hey speaking of slew footing, does anybody remember how Tkachuk slew footed Brandon Davidson in his first NHL game and didnt even get a penalty meanwhile Davidson missed weeks?
Kassian has every right to absolutely destroy Tkachuk the next game they play. If the league doesn't want players getting revenge, they shouldn't be condoning the acts that made players want it in the first place.
"For being an idiot in front of microphones." Isn't that what your entire show revolves around though? So...neither of these two have ever, in their entire careers, said anything idiotic in front of a microphone? Hm...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
You are so wrong Sid!!!! Kassian isn't Dumb!!!
Sid got embarrassed here
Sid is arguing for arguments sake. And it's not even a valid argument. Saying "Apparently the way Takchuk hit me is legal, so I will remember that for next game and he should watch out." If he's saying he is gonna do what the league deemed as legal hits to Tkachuk, then I don't think you can discipline him if he is gonna be within the bounds of Player Safety's rules.
Lucic and Kassian need to drop the gloves next game
Leave Lucic out of it if turtlechuk did that to Milan i'm sure he would have done the same thing
43 Azeem never going to happen both respect each other here in Edmonton Oilers every one loves lucic
It’s going to happen. Or Mathew is going to fight and defend himself
To be fair, Tkachuk should've been kicked from the game in the first period for a check to the head. For a sport that's trying hard to clean up it's act, to hear people celebrating Kassian attacking a player the way he did is beyond idiotic.
Sid couldn't be more wrong, Tim couldn't be more right