The Order of Mysteries Part 7: Showdown at Seneca Rocks - Fallout 76 Lore
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Brody: "The truth is kid, the game was rigged from the start"
true
God damnit lol
Under rated comment! 😂😂
I would have laughed my ass off had he said that before the gunshot
If Brody was still in the game and was not a dead body or something, and he said that particular line, my character would say "yes but... Ridded in my favor" then pulled out shredder tri-barrel minigun with over 500 rounds of ammunition and blast him to bits
"Battles are won with fists, wars with wits." - Nick Valentine
I thought the Order of Mysteries was a really interesting story though! Thank you for covering it so thoroughly, Oxhorn! :D
And Nick was partially correct, but wits alone does not win wars, that wit needs to be applied to logistics, production capacity, intelligence gathering and analysis in training and strategic deplyment.
@@SonsOfLorgar A good point. Yes, I agree. :) Intelligence or wits alone without experience, or team members with experience, cannot win wars. Conversely one could have all those elements in place and defined yet lack the intelligence to use them properly. One could also "make no mistakes and sill lose" (a quote from Captain Picard), which throws all duality out the window entirely in the face of the sheer unpredictability of life.
There is an interesting aspect, I think, to Nick's quote that exemplifies that point: Someone can literally destroy another person or country through sheer might or tactical employment. However, the battle or war can be considered won for the better when violence can be avoided and both sides working through their differences. The irony of it all being that this is a comment made by Nick in the midst of a vast wasteland that is the result of a 'battle won with fists'.
Sorry if I kinda rambled here. You're answer made me realize more possible lines of thought to Nick's quote than I first imagined. Thank you. :)
Had a feeling with Olivia was a traitor from the start. Her room was destroyed, the girl had an attitude and was resentful of her mother.
I might’ve understood the video wrong, but I think Olivia burnt the room herself after she had betrayed the Order
Olivia was a spoiled entitled brat, but some of her criticisms of her mother aren’t unreasonable. Shannon turning away people who aren’t orphaned girls, including probably orphaned boys could have been her wanting to help the most vulnerable of all people, but I wonder if there was a little bit of sexism involved there. Then there is the fact that Shannon put so much effort into training for the MoM television role - a role that it seemed everyone at Hubris except her knew she’d never get. And by undertaking that training regimen, Shannon alienated Olivia. Then there is your observation that this Order basically did everything Shannon’s way - Shannon’s tactics, Shannon’s doctrine, Shannon making all important decisions with little to no delegation of authority. Not to mention the inflexibility - from what I’ve seen so far, all their missions were solo missions where stealth and Mêlée were the only weapons available. Could that “suicide mission” of hers been less risky if she’d sent a squad with different skill sets? Could some girls have survived ambushes had they been given the flexibility of being given a bigger gun, explosive grenades, sturdier armor and maybe a “buddy” to watch her back?
I think Olivia was right when she criticized Shannon for “living out a comic book fantasy” - Shannon became way too invested in this Mistress of Mystery role. I think she only took in young girls because she wanted to transform them all into the comic book superheroine she brought to life. The tactical inflexibility was a result of her wanting to be the Mistress of Mystery, much more than her wanting to solve problems. And because she was LARPing as the Mistress of Mystery - a solitary stealthy character, she never understood the particular challenges an organizational leader has to contend with - one of which includes being aware that if you promote someone, someone else was passed over and you have to properly mollify that person to keep them invested. Then there is the fact that she never sought the advice and counsel of any of her lieutenants - her leadership style seemed to be top down one sided. I think she deliberately avoided contact with the more professional organizations such as the BoS and responders, because if she coordinated with them, she couldn’t be “the Mistress of Mystery” anymore - she’d be forced to change her Order, change tactics, change doctrine, probably even lose some members.
I don't think Olivia was entitled. I think she was forced to be the "perfect daughter." and "perfect student." So much that it did get to her a bit. I agree with all other of your points though.
It's funny that she wanted to maintain this idea of the Mistress of Mystery is a "lone wolf' character, even though it's canon that the MOM had appeared multiple times on the Silver Shroud radio show, and was apart of the unstoppable's hero group.
I think her mum treated her like shit.
@@seshthecat Well, her mom had high expectations but never treated her badly. Reading her journals, it seems Olivia was frustrated with no longer being special (referring to the other girls as "rats") and not being the center of attention. Being passed over for promotion was just the last straw. But rather than take your frustrations any, you know, leaving she decided to kill everyone. It was selfish and stupid.
Are her criticisms valid? Maybe. But the adult response to unreconcilable disagreements is to part ways, not to murder anything and everything in your way out of jealousy.
No matter what criticisms of shannon were justified, olivia will always be the one who was truly wrong in the end. She paid for her foolishness
My thought is that Frederic probably passed a few years before the final confrontation between Olivia and Shannon, as he sounded older and frail in his final recording, which would explain why some decisions later made by Shannon seems so naive or even cold. She would have been blinded by grief and come to rely on Olivia, so she would be the last person she would expect to betray them.
When it comes down to it, Frederic held them both up with his love and compassion, considering the lengths he had gone to support his wife and raise their daughter when Shannon was away. Without him, there was just too big of a rift between Shannon and Olivia, and his death would only make that rift feel wider for Olivia.
That’s a good theory. But if Frederick was still alive at this point, then it’s likely that the Order being destroyed, his daughter’s betrayal, and losing everyone he loved would have likely driven him insane. I can imagine Frederick being in deep denial about what had happened and living somewhere else, tinkering away as though he was building weapons for his wife like before.
The man is supposed to be the head of the family. He failed his family by not holding order. Just like in this world, You don't have to put women in charge of the world to destroy it. Just put women in charge of their lives.
Kill every single Junior/novice at the Manor?
Sounds similar when Anakin Kill the younglings at Jedi temple
Yeah, when he said "I killed them all", I just heard Anakin.
I was just about to type this.
Shah Aznable not just the girls, but the girls and the girls too...
Olivia have the higher ground this time lol
"Mistress Olivia there are too many raiders, what are we going to do?" (Unsheathes blade of Bastet)
A defense of Shannon Rivers' decision to adopt and conscript the girls:
It is the job of any parent to prepare their child for the world they live in, to the absolute best of their ability. Shannon wasn't well versed as a teacher, that's not something you can do just by knowing the material, teaching is its own skill. What she Was well-versed in was in kicking ass, and in just how hostile the outside world had become. She knew that she had to make sure the girls were ready to kick ass as well, to give them a fighting chance.
In a peaceful world, you prepare your children to compete by ensuring they have a solid education, basic life skills, the list goes on. In a lawless post-nuclear hellscape, you prepare your children to shoot first, to defend their lives down to their last breath, and in terms of Shannon's teachings, to protect others, because no one else will.
As for Olivia, she was the daughter of a rich actress, given everything on a financial level, but receiving very little in terms of affection, because Shannon was always busy. One doesn't become a well paid actress by sitting on one's laurels, after all. Her refusal to acknowledge Shannon's husband as a father figure, combined with the constant "Oh, she's just stubborn like her mom" excusing being done by basically everyone in her life, lead to a series of behaviors built on entitlement, fueled by her interpretation of neglect. In the end, Brodie served her in the same way that so many others in her life probably did, people she could manipulate to do her bidding, and in the end, Brodie very likely saw the situation in much the same way, albeit with a bit more vengeance involved. What she saw as a boy she used to play with, he likely saw as an entitled little brat who would demand that they play things Her way, every time, who would bully him and push him around as a means of lashing out over her neglectful home situation. Brodie strikes me as an opportunist, and saw the Raider gang as an opportunistic home, and when it turns out the girl who killed his raider brethren was not only willing to give up her own kind as leverage for something she thought she could get, but that that girl was someone who tormented his childhood, he likely had a moment of realization that everything was falling into place for him perfectly.
Olivia thought she was running the board, but in the end, she got knocked down only to realize she had been a pawn all along.
But why only adopt the girls? You honestly can't tell me they never came across boys who were the age of five, six, and seven before. Whether Shannon made the right choice or not - she still is the reason as to why Olivia turned out the way she did.
@@teacoon6399. Someone in this comments section actually came up with a good reason: To prevent a potential baby boom within the organization. That actually seems kind of logical since the group wasn't very good supply wise, especially medicine. That's also not to mention that pregnancies are extremely stressful situations for all involved.
I always interpreted this story as Brody’s revenge for being turned away when he needed help the most
Clicked for the lore, stayed for the lifelessons. ❤
Honestly i needed to here this today. Thank you so much oxhorn ❤ keep doing what you do best
I've always wondered what happened to Shannon River's Husband. It's never said.
Given the skeleton, bloodstain, and bullet hole next to the last chronological one of his tapes, it's heavily implied that he was gunned down in the fabricator room.
@Blaydon I don't think Fallout 76 could do mods... simply because it's an online-multiplayer game and Bethesda owns the servers. The only way modding would be possible would be to host Fallout 76 on a server of your own somehow, then mod that. The alternative would be to somehow mod Bethesda's servers, as I believe client modding (which is what all previous fallout games relied upon) would be impossible. And I don't think they'd go for that.
@@hugalafutro I can see how you're not happy with new vaults opening, but I think it'd be cool if other vaults opened (yes, people be dead) and then turn the vaults into small player-run cities. There'd be stalls you could set up to sell to other players. Request baskets or something of the like. Various competitions in large auditoriums. Building competitions where people vote on the best themed home or something. Arenas. Turn the new vaults into veritable player wonderlands... and no PvP (except during PvP arenas or something)
@Blaydon Bethesda would have to let the modding community in.I am thinkling they would abandon the game and give up on it rather than accept help from modders at this pint.
@@zetaraptor286
They could basically hire a small select group of modders to do it. Bethesda has lost the good will it once had.Now a lot of people think they are either incompetent or lazy, are money hungry , have somehow became EAified and those same people are very very worried about starfield and ESVI.
Bethesda has to do something to regain them trust of the players or they risk no longer being considered a AAA developer but just a buch of hacks and pretenders.
Honestly, what Shannon Rivers should've done was make meaningful alliances or at the very least become said factions' spy networks. She forgot the time-proven motto "United we stand, divided we fall." Instead, she held on to the delusion that they'd be safer if they just stayed hush-hush about the organization. Even without Olivia, they would've eventually get wiped out.
Definitely one of the best questlines in Fallout 76. But I can't help but imagine how much better it would have been in a living, breathing world. Imagine the quest starting similar to the way it does already with you finding a dead Mistress. This leads you to the mansion, but instead of finding it empty and long dead you find the few remaining members of the Order fending of a raider attack. You gain their trust and learn that their members are being killed off by raiders and they don't know why. The main questline would follow the same plot with you going on missions, gaining ranks, and discovering Olivia is the traitor. But in the end you would have a choice in either siding with Shannon Rivers and the Order or with Olivia and the raiders. If you side with the Order and kill Olivia and raiders, Shannon declares she is too old to continue and can't bear it after Olivia's betrayal, she turns the Order over to you. You then can recruit new members, send them on missions to gather resources or have them follow you as companions
The Order of Mysteries story is just amazing. Broke my heart at the end though..
If only there were a way to revive the Order of Mysteries, but make it better. Order of Mysteries 2.0!
Order of Mysteries has been a great series of videos. I was interested in the Mistress of Mysteries from hearing the Silver Shroud radio plays in Fallout 4, and I'm glad Bethesda added this scenario into Fallout 76. It was uplifting and heartbreaking at the same time. Great stuff, Oxhorn! Keep it up!
"they could had survived.............until the bat zombie plague killed them" :3
but yeah i would had love the Order of Mysteries alive in a proper game, a bit like a good Dark Brotherhood.
None of her mother’s actions justify what Olivia did she just condemned her friends her coworkers to their demise because of some petty nature I think that there should be a faction in the fallout world that wants to unite everyone in the wasteland
There was, it/they were known as "The Master"...
@@SonsOfLorgar yes but the Master wanted to force everyone to mutate, thus sterilizing them to prevent future generations. Unity is not about forcing beliefs but rather about compromise.
Only one that are successfully in that, the Minutemen
@@jcofthegalaxy7439. Well that and The Jacobstown settlement in Fallout New Vegas. A town of peaceful Super Mutants, Ghouls, and normal Humans all living together and helping each other. I absolutely loved how the Dr. cared a lot for Lily The Night Kin. She would tell him "Don't worry deary. I want to help others, I'll take the risks". It was a beautiful moment where people were just being people. It wasn't any of this bigotry shit
@@jcofthegalaxy7439 I wholeheartedly agree.
I just started the Order of Mysteries quest line and didn’t expect it to be very long. Then I see that Oxhorn is on part 7 proving me wrong.
Vincent Nguyen it isn't that long. Just milking it 😂
I though the same, but luckily it goes by pretty quick. If you do some of the raider line at the same time, you can bust it out in a day if you fast travel (or if you're a loot hog like me and pick up literally everything, a day and a half...put your C.A.M.P. near Top of the Mountain.
I’ve played through this entire quest line twice. The first time inspired me to create another character specifically to be a Mistress. It’s turned out to be my favorite build. I use all the items every game each time I play. I also stacked her perks specifically to use those items. The Garb effectively eliminates any need for armor repairs, just leveling it. The Blade of Bastet, when combined with the right perks, is absolutely devastating. So much so, that I have killed Deathclaws, Wendigos, and Scorchbeasts in close combat. In spite of having handgun perks leveled through Master Gunslinger, the Voice of Set is a bit disappointing - it really ought to do more damage than it does. The electrical effect vs. robots takes a second or two to for full effect. The Veil is a great alternative to a gas mask or Fire Breather helmet, since it doesn’t affect perception. I’m glad I went with this as a build.
Why is “Brody’s” corpse all rotted but Shannon and Olivia’s are still quite fresh?
because Brody was soo bad. that he rotted very quick
I'd say two reasons, one is Brody was around the scorch virus so his body deteriorated faster. Then there might be bc Shannon and Olivia were at a higher altitude
@@michaelwalsh9616. That makes sense. After all, following the laws of physics, oxygen starts to decrease as you get higher and higher in altitude. There's a reason that corpses up in the mountains haven't decayed yet.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 The lodge where raiders stayed are at a higher altitude than the cliff where Olivia and Shannon were found. The skiing lodge is literally right next to the landmark (ski lift) called "Top of the world" - the highest point in Appalachia. You actually have to descend quite a bit to get to the Rivers' bodies. But it doesn't matter anyway, cause regardless of the altitude no human body would remain in nearly perfect state with a pool of blood around them after almost 2 decades, which is when we find them. It's either just another one of thousand oversights by the devs, or possibly intentional choice to evoke more emotion from us players (probably wouldn't be as dramatic if it was 2 dried up skeletons with missing limbs stolen by wild animals). Still the Mistress of Mystery is possibly the best story in the game imo
This was very sad, even suspecting everything from the start the ending is hard... thank you Ox!
Anybody else notice the Flatwoods monster in the background at 36:21?
sure did!
Have not yet run into the Flatwoods monster , Grafton monster or the giant bees in game yet after 72 hours.
Wraithflaire just go down to the Charleston trainyard a grafton monster spawns there
@@loganzerfass5892 Thx but lol after reading your comment I just remembered that I had seen one. It wasn't rememberable because I cheesed it by killing it from upon a ridge near the capital.
Nice! Thanks for pointing it out!
The way I see things, it just seems that Olivia simply couldnt be herself while in that group, only magnified by the demands of being a perfect mistress, which eventually manifested into the end game as seen in the storyline. I do find it odd that she didnt just make a clean break from Shannon and go her own separate way without having to resort in betraying her mother and comrades to the raiders.
I came here for lore, but i stayed for the parenting lesson...
I'm not sure Olivia's definition of "order" is the same as anyone else's. In her mind she seems to view order as people doing things in a logical manner. This logical manner to her is self centered. Who to promote? Your own child. How do you survive? Taking what you need. To her way of thinking the raiders are part of a natural "order" even if they are "a mess"
Meanwhile the Order of Mysteries is completely illogical to her. They help others for nothing in return. They're hypocrites, choosing who to save while the raiders dont care who they attack. For Olivia there is no "order" in the Order of Mysteries because she sees survival of the fittest as the only means of order
She is Ayn Rand, basically.
So the Atlas Shrugged definition of order?
@@mattbluesmantastic I imagine nuclear holocaust is likely quite psychologically damaging
Well, consider the fact that her Mother potentially had a bias against men. I don't buy it for a minute that little orphan girls were the only ones they ever came across.
@@teacoon6399 of course its potentially/probably the case. And we do know she did in fact turn away boys. Even her own neighbor's child who, later, was essential in bringing down the order
I finished this quest line last night and the end made me cry.
I feel like I'm one of the few that still enjoy your 76 content.
Keenan Lewis nah, vocal minority. Squeaky gear gets the grease and all that.
I'm there with you bro. I enjoy all oxhorn content
Ikr
I'm enjoying all the 76 videos. It's a bonus that others are upset about it. Just like it's a bonus that just us enjoying the game upsets people. Lol it's the little things in life that make you happy lol
I'm really hoping he goes and does the raiders next so we can find out what happened to Brody. I'm playing through the game and am not interested enough in that faction, but really want to know.
Actually, I kind of understand Olivia's motivation. Since the beginning, it has been hinted that her family had great expectations from her... and maybe, she just wanted a regular life. Consider that she was always the daughter of the great Shannon Rivers, the voice of the Mistress of Mysteries and it is something that you cannot easily shake up: always having people looking at you and comparing you with your own mother it's an annoying burden to live with. Also, I kind of understand the motivation for Shannon to adopt only girls: It was the only way to preserve her legacy and since her and Frederick based their lives on those comic books, there wasn't a space for a male sidekick on their way of life. Finally, i do think that membership to the Order of Mysteries was optional: They still played as a refuge for girls without a home and I do think that there still were some sweet, naive girls that didn't have the required skills to adopt that way of living.
I speculated that this drama about the Rivers could have happened from the beginning (except the cancel the trip to the mountain part), Olivia may have feel envy to the orphans about Shannon being favoring to them instead of her (and the boys) to the part of being in her mother organization, which i also predicted that she would feel this is ridiculous as well
This entire quest line is about spoiled kids, spoiled kids who see the world as their own way, as their own for the taking, thus pay the ultimate price. Highly educational.
I feel in some way, the Order of Mysteries compares to the Railroad in a way.
The secrets, the only accepting one type of person in, not really showing to other groups etc.
I kinda believe that maybe a brotherhood alliance would be a bad thing, due to having Cryptos as an operating center with tracking of high tech items and military bases would be a very bad thing to have taken from the order at its time.
As for the Responders, the order could have benefitted by having one or two order members, on missions to help guard responder areas or do missions the responders couldn't. Plus the payment could have been supplies or other information of local groups, towns and even raider locations.. and at least the Responders would be better chancd of keeping secrets then the Brotherhood as we have seen in previous titles.
One must also remember that Olivia's reasoning came after *years* of observation, and while it is easy to see the actions she took as wrong in hindsight....
Was the base reasons really that flawed?
At the very beginning she saw male orphans, even ones she knew personally, being turned away while the female orphans where 'adopted' just to become part of the order. Then she saw her order killing hundreds of people over those years, taking things in 'scavenger runs' and doing nothing to really give back to the community unlike other groups. In the end she clearly viewed herself as nothing more then a highly trained raider... the strongest of the strong who should take over the the most dominate roles, a common view for people who have lived too long in violence. This a person who was struggling at the very beginning to find herself, dealing with new sensations and emotions that we all went through at that age, and instead of being given the freedom to do so... was trained to be a soldier in someone else's war.
While it is easy to say these actions where caused by 'entitlement' or 'jealousy,' would Olivia have felt that way if her mother had run a *real* orphanage that gave back to the community?
I can't help but think adopting Brody would have caused this to go down a very different path, and not just by removing him from the raider gang. It might be the romantic in me, but I heard something in those earlier tapes when Olivia talked about Brody being turned away... a budding sexual desire of a young teen. It isn't hard to see this causing even more resentment between the two, which then festered as Shannon embraced the role of 'head mistress' first and foremost. Olivia concluding that Shannon was delusional, justifying her own acts of killing and scavenging by telling herself she was just targeting 'bad guys,' didn't suddenly stem from nothing....
This does not excuse Olivia of the very selfish actions to escape that situation, those other girls where in the same boat as her and didn't deserve her misdirected anger, but I can see why she concluded her mother was just another Raider leader when I look at it from that angle.
I thought I might add some more to this, as 'deranged good-guy' is an old narrative:
In an ancient role playing game, Rifts by Palladium, Central America has a very big vampire problem. A group of elite vampire hunters formed and begun to drive back the wave of undead, using their holy might and magic as spectacularly as possible. This group would then go town to town, singing their own praises the whole time, and due to the fact they where killing a very dangerous enemy they where usually well received by those who lived within. The entire time you are learning about this group it is written that they are heroes in this story, until you remember this was a 'grim-dark' universe.
For you see, if a town didn't give them the praise or payments these hunters believed they where due... they would just leave. When they returned to find the village destroyed they would begin a 'holy crusade' to avenge the town, and in doing so their 'good guy' reputation would grow. They also thought nothing of 'scavenging' the remains of the village in order to re-supplying themselves. The delusional nature of their leader was so strong it prevented the whole group from even considering their own roles in the death and destruction around them, for all they where doing was avenging those murdered by vampires and their spawn.
It might be mention the fact the Order of Mysteries survived by scavenging that made me sit up in my chair and wonder just how noble their 'war against Raiders' actually was.....
Well if they were doing nothing different from all these low life raiders then she's already got what she wanted, aside from the "leadership" lol oh Olivia, you self centered filthy little-
I have to disagree on your final view of both Olivia and The Order, for three main reasons.
1. I'm honestly not okay with an organization that kills raiders by employing what are essentially child soldiers. What the lore seems to hint at is that these girls, orphans, may have still been in their teens when they began fighting, learning how to kill a man, how to shoot them dead, or where to strike with a sword. All of this done in the name of creating heroes no one could know about?
2. Shannon sadly was a woman consumed by her work and the character she created before the bombs dropped, and did not change afterwords. Her work just became real. Instead of an apocalypse teaching her to care for the family she had, when she created the order, she simply became obsessed with it instead. Funny how after the order was founded, she and Olivia never again interact as mother and daughter. Olivia had a point. Shannon gave her approval to Olivia, not as a mother to their daughter, but as a commander to their subordinate. Even in her dying breath, Shannon never said she loved Olivia. Instead, she was willing to kill her to protect the order. Shannon was a flawed, broken woman who took solace in the only thing that made sense to her after the bombs dropped, and sadly, that meant leaving her family behind.
3. And Olivia. Yes, she was wrong in what she did. Yes, she was naive. But she was molded. Her mother didn't shelter her daughter after the bombs dropped. She didn't train her. She used her. When Shannon said Olivia was far more dangerous than a raider, who made her that, exactly? Shannon did. When Olivia broke off, who could have stopped it? Her mother. She only ever wanted her mom's approval. Her love. Her care. Without any of that, Olivia went for the only thing that made sense, and was preyed upon and used by the raiders Shannon obsessed over.
You bring up good points... however traitors should burn for all eternity... Olivia is a traitor... a naive fool but still a traitor... Shannon was also a fool but an honest fool
Oh yeah: At level 60 I still use the (upgraded) Voice of Set and Blade of Bastet. The Blade is particularly useful and I have killed Snallygasters, high level Wendigos and Scorchbeasts with it. The hard part is getting the Scorchbeasts on the ground :)
Stewart Stronski just use the dragonrend shout...oh wait
@@henrypeterson4431 Oh boy. You're just so clever that I can't even think of a response.
Stewart Stronski I was just joking, I like the game
@@henrypeterson4431 It's hard to tell sometimes with all the trolls!
@@erostew not when you make the blade all the way back at level 10 and try to use it at level 40. It kind of sucks then 🤣
I think Olivia wasn't entitled. But the result of being pressured into being the "perfect daughter/son", in countries like Japan and Corea, it is common to see this. Where sons have to be "perfect" by their society standards and the parent's word is the law.
Of course, not everyone can live like this, so people run away from this lifestyle or rebel in other ways.
Let alone, her mom was distant to her, even pre bombs. She was a broken person due her raising, and even tho her mom did love her, being constantly ignore, on top of being told "Act perfectly and happy all the time" gives the opposite feeling.
Ever since I started listening to this playlist again with earphones, I've noticed I can hear Oxhorn's kids making sounds in the background from time to time lol
Wow such sad story. I'm not following much of the lore while I play. Glad your here to do that Ox. I listen while I work.
I just can't follow it while playing, there's too much. That's why I love going back and watching Ox do it, his rich voice adds depth to it rather than me trying to speed read everything (I DO try to listen to every Halotape though, Bethesda's voice actors are always worth it).
If you don't like Fallout 76 don't watch the videos. It's obnoxious, annoying and insulting to the people who like it(though it may be a minority) but more insulting to the community built up around this channel. Ox plays games I don't follow including the Metro series or Wolfenstein but it's idiotic and selfish for me to attempt to spread my negativity because im unhappy with the content when I can go watch something else. Oxhorn enjoys the game, some of his subscribers enjoy the game please go complain on of the negative reviews of this game's experience and stop trying to poison the well of this channel. It's clearly your choice if you dislike the game but there are channels and comment sections made for this or at least attempt to have a meaningful discussion about it instead of the 'play something else' or this game is boring comments. We are here as a community who enjoys Ox's channel and the great series and adventures we have been on but at the end of the day it's not our channel.
Amen brother.
The game lore is interesting and the game looks fun.
Won't get it anyway due to predatory developer practices.
I like this storyline, a mix between Batman and Star Wars.
*This is literally star wars Obi Wan Kenobi Vs Anakin*
Some of the sisters are missing in action rather than killed (after all, the terminal didn't confirm the death of 14-15 girls, just a number of them), same with Frederick Rivers. I'm wondering if we'll see the Order of Mysteries return someday...
Blade of Bastet was my melee weapon of choice before... All Rise, and Incisor perk. Amazing 25-50 weapon. Incisor + Bastet still work if the ladder is broken together.
It would have absolutely been wiser to work with the Responders. Not openly, but they should have been coordinating in secret. Shannon let the character that gave her strength take her over, for good and ill. Olivia did have one good point, and that was that they had let comic-bookisms get a little too far into their heads. The Brotherhood the hammer, the Responders the shield, and the Order of Mysteries the mysterious shadow that comes in and stabs in the back while the raiders are busy dealing with the overt threat. If only they had formed some sort of organization of Unstoppables, they could have stopped Thorpe and brought an end to the organized raider threat. Instead, no. And divided, Appalachia fell.
There should be a Comic book series called, "Oxhorn Comics" just for this scene.
I've actually been doing a Mistress of Mystery based playthrough. Taking up the mantle left behind by Shannon and her family. However, it is very hard once you hit the more combat-centric BoS segment. The Garb, Eye, Blade of Bastet and Voice of Set are just not enough to go through the later parts of the campaign story, even when upgraded as much as they can be.
However, I am still having a blast in F76, despite its many flaws.
The strength and agility cards that add stat based resistances help a lot with that.
It would be kind of hard to do an order RP character since all the raiders, and all human npcs are dead so you've essentially already lost your primary targets and your entire reason to exist.
@@samwise1790 I'm sorry your imagination isn't up to the task, but you certainly can.
I will carry on for the fallen, I will defeat the threat of the scorch and save my fellow dwellers from the shadows. I am the night. I AM BATMAN. ER, um... I mean I AM THE MISTRESS OF MYSTERIES.
Strongblade 69 I’ve heard that you can layer clothing over armor... does that help with DT/DR...?
brian townsend Sadly you can't wear the Garb with any armor pieces. The Eye of Ra only works with the Garb and gives the weapons special bonuses. However, you can wear the tattered dress with armor, but it does weaken the weapons somewhat.
Sorry Ox as sweet as it sounds I dont think she was hugging her mom I think thats just how she was when Broady shot her. Remember she was asking him to help her move the body right b4 she died. I dont think she learned anything
Evan Cozad she was asking for help after the fight, not to move the body what would be the point? It’s an apocalypse don’t think she was going to get a proper funeral, just my opinion
I have two points on this. 1 This story does have a happy ending, several vault 76 dwellers find this path and take up the mantle of the Mistress of Mysteries, myself included, and the Order of Mysteries lives on even after such a great tragedy with lessons to take away from the tragedy so that the Second Founding of the Order of Mysteries is stronger than before.
2 Despite the comic book origins they never learned the lesson Batman always has to reach out to others for help, and I'm not just talking about the immediate Bat Family, like Commisioner Gordon and all of his allies on the outside, even other heroes such as the Justice League. The Order of Mysteries could have reached out to the Responders or the Brother hood and stayed in the shadows but helping both.
This series has been one of the most entertaining you've produced. Really interesting stuff with the order of mysteries
Slayo710 30th like ‘ere!
The part where the girl says "its a raiders world now" kinda reminds me of Kelog. Basically forsaken everyone nice and decided death and murder is all she wants to do.
This is one faction I would have loved to see survived into Fallout 4
I hope we get to meet frederick, maybe he escaped the manor before it was burned. It would be cool to find him in the wasteland maybe still tinkering lol
Mike Edwards nope, you never will, no NPCs in this game, remember? We'll never meet anyone. Ever.😐
@@rebeccataylor6997 also it’s implied he was gunned down in his lab, you see a skeleton of his stature
I still have lots of stories to explore in Appalachia but I enjoyed the Order of Mysteries quite a lot when I finally stumbled into it. A tragic story well told with well placed environmental storytelling and a good use of the holotape-storytelling where it made lots of sense considering the whole Order is gone thanks to Olivia's Actions.
I don't think I've wanted to kill an npc in fallout more than Olivia...
Same here! I was actually hoping that I could meet and kill her at the end of the quest.
Good video as usual. Maybe a little too much moralizing and try to guess motives for my taste but that's okay. One thing to remember when talking about Olivia: She was in her late twenties! She was about 18 when the bombs dropped (talking about going to college) And the end of their story comes at the end of 2086. That's more than 9 years that she had to grow up and she just got more petulant and childish. As near as we can tell she was older than all of the girls that Shannon "adopted" and could have been a big sister to them. She wasn't! Kind of sounds like a sociopath.
You can't grow up if your mother is a psychopath and is a totalitarian sect leader who turned you into murderer. Why someone should care about relationships and people's lives if she never had one, live isolated and hunt down your former neighbours (bc they are somehow now evil, and you somehow is not)? Guerilla fighters without intention to rebuild a better society are just terrorists.
You are growing up by experiencing various facets of life, you are a collection of memories of things you lived through. If there was no normal life for you just don't.
First Last ~ You are kind of misrepresenting the situation aren't you?
The Mistresses are NOT guerilla fighters. They're vigilantes. They were just trying to contain the chaos. It was the settlers these raiders were looting who were trying to rebuild.
These raiders killed everyone who was in their way and took what they wanted, regardless of how many people they murdered to get there or how many people starve to death because of their actions. And they're not evil, but, the Mistresses are?
If this was prewar, you'd be right about Shannon Rivers. It isn't. This is POST war in a lawless apocalyptic wasteland. Ooooh poor little spoiled brat didn't get to have a childhood. Boo hoo. Neither did any other kid growing up after the apocalypse unless they were in a control vault. Get real.
Would you rather she just left them out there helpless against the raiders? Would that have been a good thing? Seriously, your post is a bit skewed.
And here we see the exact argument this quest line is about. Two completely different views on the same actions by the same people vs the actions of someone else doing similar things. Fallout has, as far as I'm aware, always good at showing psychology, and this comment chain right here, as short as it is, shows exactly how well they can tell their psychology even in a side game.
I like Oxhorn’s moralizing. Go watch Shoddycast if you don’t like it.
Late 20s is still young (especially if that means 18 when the bombs dropped, she was thrust into a brutal world at a young age). Reminds me a bit of how the one factor connecting all the terrible Roman emperors (Caligula, Nero, Commodus) is that they became emperor as children or teenagers. Imagine any high school boy being made king of a nation and revered as a God, it's clearly a recipe for disaster. And many of the best emperors became emperor much later in life, after they had already achieved success on their own as a general or statesman. Also reminds me of some of these NFL players who do incredibly dumb things that ruin their careers, but we have to remember they're becoming multi-millionaires and celebrities in their early 20s, when most people get to be stupid and make mistakes without serious consequence later in life. Olivia isn't becoming emperor or achieving celebrity, but the Mistress training she receives is another form of power that clearly her 20-something year old self isn't mature enough to handle responsibly. She is the outlier as the other girls don't go evil, but maybe it was risky training children to be special forces soldiers and go on combat missions in the first place.
Olivia was afflicted with OCS. Only Child Syndrome. Symptoms include arrogance, being entitled, and anti-social behavior. She had her way all her life and refused to become an adult when the time arised. The adoption of her sisters drove her over the edge. Plain and simple. She killed her own mother over a missed camping trip. By the way, I suspected her from video one. Classic super-villain trope. Great vids Ox.
"If she wants order, why turn to chaos?"
A question summed up to the path of destruction she chose, but I think I know why and it was explained through my brother.
I was playing through this and my bro happened to be watching and after reading through the terminal and getting to this point I wondered the same thing, but my brother pointed something out.
"Some people become what they hate most, and in this case, it was her mother, the order, what it has become under her mother's rule."
To sum it up, She seen a chance, an opening to enter a raider gang while it was in chaos, and then provide order. Odds are, they where scared shitless by these phantomes in the night that could take down full squads, and seeing we are talking about a world with ghosts, monsters, cryptids, and other horrors, who is to tell them that it wasn't some mystical force just destroying their squads.
She seen a chance to take control, show the ghosts that hunt them are flesh and blood, and from there, teach them how to hunt them in turn if she couldn't do the job herself.
In short, she would become her mother and "adopt" this raider gang, and have them go out on missions after training them to do like she dose. Maybe this was just a fanticy in her head, that maybe this would be the only way for the world to work and thus nothing would go wrong, but we are talking about raiders and their cruel and using nature after all... From there, well, we see this story and how it ends. She saved her mother for last, maybe it was because it was her mother, and in some way still had some place in her heart for her, or maybe its the cruel side of letting her watch everyone she cared for die, one by one.
In one way, it makes her death a bit more sad... knowing she had forced herself into this. Maybe if only from the stand point that she done it, and would only come to regret it. But in another, for her to die after, brings an ironic twist, where she done it out of this cruel nature, letting her mother be the last one, see everyone she love die and then be betrayed by her own daughter... but only then to have been killed by someone she thought she could trust.
Ether way... I still think she wanted to join the raiders and try to mold them to be like the order, but keep some of the cruel ways, so to have this twist in the end for her, to be betrayed by the raiders she wanted to adopt makes me wonder what the raiders where thinking... not that it was a poor choice, but given how some may act, I wonder if learning she planned to kill her own mother and what she did to her order... what would she do if the raiders didn't become what she wanted, what she seen as perfect...
I don’t get Olivia myself - I get that she could be sick of spending years pretending to live in the comic books that her mother was once a star of, but joining the Raiders? They’re the exact opposite of ‘order’. If ‘order’ was what she wanted, there’s the Responders or the Brotherhood of Steel.
At least the Raiders didn't hold a "Holier than thou." opinion about themselves nor were they discriminatory. Raider gangs had both men and women in it whereas Shannon only took girls in. You honestly can't tell me that they never came across boys that were too young to fend.
This faction/quest line has to be my favorite in this game and one of my favorites in the series. The faction reminds of a book series I read called ‘Gallagher Girls’ and this quest line is just really sad I wish that Bethesda added a way for you to find some order of mysteries survivors and bring them back in wastelanders
Well, I think this was a really bad Quest. The writers did everything they could with the limitation the company gave them, but it's still unstatisfying. The items are cool n stuff, but what the story presents is a questionable lesson at best and a horrifying way to view the world (and the actions you should take in life) at worst. There are already things in the fallout universe that don't really line up correctly, but this just made me angry.
@@dimitree7543. Your comment is nonsensical at best.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 This story basically says, that trying to do good will inevitably fuck you over and that people are ungrateful idiots that will take out those that aren't idiots. What about my take is nonsensical?
I just finished this quest line and I have to say that I really enjoyed it because I actually felt myself get invested in it. Like I actually really listened to the holotapes thoroughly and read all the terminals carefully whereas with the responders I got bored very quickly. I suspected Olivia very early on from the moment I read in Shannon and Frederick’s terminal about her being sullen and withdrawn.
I really like .44 pistols in the game so the Voice of Set is a great little additional to my weapons roster.
I've been a bit on the fence about how I like fallout 76; it's got really good points, and overall I enjoy the GAME, but not how Bethesda has handled things related to bugs, communicating with players, etc.
But with the Order... It felt visceral, real in a way that joining the responders didn't. That all felt rote, routine, and frankly boring. I only did those quests to get the markers out of my pip boy. But the Order had a much more interesting history, had a REAL impact on me, reading their terminals, learning about the people involved, and feeling like I KNEW them, even though they were dead and gone. As I went through, it was easy to see that it was probably going to be Olivia who was the traitor, but I still found myself hoping I was wrong, that it was a raider who'd joined up and was working that angle. I completed the last quest feeling heartbroken and horrified, the feelings only growing stronger the further I went, and listening to the holotape on Shannon's body while looking at the corpses - not skeletons, like a lot of other similar situations in other fallout games, but still largely-intact corpses with recognizable features - was moving in a way I've rarely felt while playing a video game before. Bethesda may have mucked up some of their other quests and questlines in fo76, but they absolutely NAILED this one. Becoming a mistress of mystery was bittersweet, having worked for it while also knowing that I was the last(as I'm a solo player), and that the Order was dead.
And there was something about playing this from the perspective of a vault Dweller who's walking into and through a still-freshly decimated world that makes stories of betrayal like this all the more heartrending than say, in fallout 4, where it's easier to become more detached and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ about it, because you know that the world has changed vastly, and it's been 200years, that lends itself to a feeling of.... maybe more resignation? You know that this isnt the world you left, but it's been 200 years, this probably happens all the time. It's harder to feel more upset coming across these stories when you're looking at a skeleton, or the corpse of a wastelander when you've spent hours wandering the commonwealth and seeing for yourself just how bad things have gotten. In fo76, that's easy toforget, because there are no live raiders, no real constant reminders of that the way there is in the single player games where you constantly run across enemy humans.
Great vid and series as always, Oxhorn!
And to the people who STILL keeps on going on and on about "Fallout 76 is terrible", just shut up and move on with your life. It like a broken record now.
They're STILL doing it on the Fallout twitter, it's annoying when you're trying to discuss patch updates or a new feature and all you get are children (or adult-children...hehe, Olivias) whining. Don't like it, don't play it (or watch the videos about it). Fallout 5 will be along eventually (my guess is ten years as we have to get through Elder Scrolls 6 and that new IP they have. This is like Fallout: New Vegas...a tiny hold over between main titles.
@@Saitaina While i do understand the whole backlash and counterbacklash culture and how tedious it can become, I feel it is warranted to grill Bethesda on these issues if we want change. If you can enjoy Fallout 76 that is great, but the anticonsumer practises of Bethesda need to be criticised.
@@mittelz5976. There's a difference between criticizing and letting the entire thing live in your head rent free; Most "critics" of this game and Bethesda are the latter.
it does suck
What a sad ending to the story, so much wasted potential because of jealousy. So many people lost dew to pride.
Ox, we must find out what happened to Brody!
Man i was hoping for a happy ending for this little family of vigilantes. When i first saw the Mistress of Mystery lair, i laughed my heart out and when i saw how much good they were doing, fighting against raiders and such, I thought... they might actually pull this off. But then again, it's always the enemy within that gets you. Damn it Olivia. Your death was sad but not undeserved or unexpected. In the end, you got what you wanted. You got your mother all to yourself and in the place where you wanted to be. I know that she's just a character in a game but i hope she gets a better life elsewhere. This story just hits me in the feels man.
The MoMs could've been something spectacular. A legacy made real by the imagination of the hopeless like the Silver Shroud. But they perished before they could truly bloom.
Olivia's Mother made her what she was though.
@@teacoon6399. That's no excuse for Olivia to go full narcissist, which is ironically what ended up getting her killed; Her arrogance and stupidity.
1:20 "Was it really just about needing more attention from Mommy?"
Why do I have a feeling that you made this remark specifically to me for the comment I posted on the previous video? Oxhorn? 😂
is it just me or were the mistresses of mystery sponsored by Nvidia?
This was just too good. Ox, you're the man. Great job, dude!
I figured Olivia was betraying them from the start but kept hoping it was going to turn out to be someone else and she was gone a lot because she was trying to figure it out.
I don't know even if she cut Olivia out she may have been even worse. Imagine her returning with raiders with her training or her own crew.
Yes she made some crap choices, but there is a point when Shannon should have noticed that maybe she should be the mother to her daughter just a bit more than to the others especially when she's been severely lacking in that area. So yeah, it's a betrayal when the one that's supposed to love and guide you gives more to others and claims to love everyone equally.
To Olivia her mother was starting over instead of putting in the work to fix what was damaged. It may be an unpopular opinion but it started with Shannon and her husband. When you fuck up a kid, it is the bedrock of the fuck up even if/when you or the child gets help to fix it.
Discarding the boys was a bad call as well. Sexism aside, she turned away a great resource in the form of spies, infiltration agents and even ambassadors. Felt like she was trying to prove a point than really make a difference.
Shannon ran a lousy ship and didn't even acknowledge it. Real life and fiction has shown that the thing that will destroy you is likely of your own creation. She created the demon and it killed her. Her husband works have intervened properly that i agree on, but considering that he made all of this possible by making the hero base, keeping out of her business and doing less than bare minimum to help mend his family... Well, we were probably expecting too much from him. His overall irrelevance to the arc was proven with us not even knowing what happened to him.
That's my rant Oxhorn, good video!
Nah, she wasn't hugging her in the end. She said "help me with this" to Brody. She was just looting the body, probably for the Eye of Ra.
I theorize that her daughter betrayed them because if you notice, there are no men there other than one. So, leader gets to have her husband and all the others must be without a man. With her daughters serious issues with her mother, this drove her to seek a man in the only place she could, a raider gang which allowed him to manipulate her into betrayal. Of course, the history of him being turned away certainly gives him motivation to hate her mother.
Her Mother obviously had something against men. I highly doubt that the only orphans they ever came across were girls.
Great "Oxhorn!"
Did you write the script yourself? I followed you with this "Mystery."
You can read wonderfully and empathically, but you can also analyze.
Class, I think you are a writer, actor or researcher, perhaps both. I enjoyed it, thanks, all thumbs up for you.
J.C. Moes, (67) Lelystad the Netherlands.
Hmm, this is by far the best Fallout 76 lore series you've made so far. Though I cannot help but point out that the reason Olivia's character is, dare I say it, unhinged and sophomoric in her reasoning is that she is a one-dimensional character. This is partially due to us never meeting her or any other NPC in Fallout 76, the NPCs are what makes these games great. It's not our fault that when we complained about Preston Garvey's repetitive and annoying nature in Fallout 4, that Bethe$da misinterpreted our critique and made Fallout 76 have no NPCs at all. Again, great series created from a massive insult to the fanbase game. I cannot wait to see what you come up with next.
What's with the hate comments in this video (probably the entire fallout 76 series)? It's his channel and if he makes a video of this, he enjoys it. Look, there might be some of you people hate fallout 76 like i did before but Oxhorn made me reconsider. Oxhorn, if you're reading this, just keep doing what you want to do and ignore what they hated about because there's some of us who enjoys your fallout 76 videos :)
Man, there are more people like you who are complaining about hate comments than there are actual hate comments. The people you call haters are just really disappointed that they have to watch a channel they love, cover a terrible game so extensively
@@dvr2474 ,
At least Oxhorn covers it well.
I am interested in learning what little 'good lore' is in this game, and I don't plan to purchase this mess, so Oxhorn is indeed a godsend.
I will Always enjoy oxhorns content due to his attention to detail, but i cant shake the feeling there is more to his opinion on the game than he lets on. Its in his right to decide whether he wants to share it or not of course, but i will write this i have a feeling there will be far less trolls if he does decide to say what he thinks about the game and the state its in.
@@dvr2474 no one is forcing anyone to watch anything. It's been a month. You've already lived significantly longer than that. You guys can't even handle a month of him not covering a game you like, because there are 7 billion other in this world, without bitching and demanding things. We fucking get it. Why do you guys have to same thing over and over and over again? The entire internet right now is catered to hating this game. Can we have one fucking thing? Nope can't have one fucking thing for us without you guys wanting everyone to cater to you. Also, Ox has already said he's going back to a regular schedule after this series. Maybe if you guys would shut the fuck up and listen, you wouldn't have to ask the same questions over and over again and whine like a bunch of children because it's our turn with the remote. It's been your turn for the past 5 fucking years. Sorry we got a month.
@@lostbutfreesoul Amen
Maybe they only took in girls because of what almost happened to Olivia when they tried fleeing after the bombs?
Love your content Ox. Can't wait until you get to the other quests and small discoveries around West Virginia. The game is a blast regardless of its issues and with no npcs your channel really helps to catch up on the story. It's especially helpful when playing through a quest with friends and they don't want to wait an hour to explore every corner of everything like myself. Keep running your channel the way you see fit and keep pumping out the content !
T McMahon yup. Playing with friends can be a drag in terms of story. The whole top of the world quest line with friends....going to miss something.
I can name a few more factions that aren't raiders:
The Minutemen, The Railroad, The NCR, The Harbormen, The Followers of The apocalypse.
BOS?
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 I mean good factions.
@@pendragonxt3674 still different chapters different mindset thou I'm not a gamer I was brought by the TV series
Despite what Bethesda is going through and even though I personally dont like fallout 76 I can say that the lore is as strong as previous titles even with the absence of NPC's. For those who are involved in the story of fallout 76 it makes it fun and interactive to go out and seek the story.
Tim Kallam
I agree, but there is much more lore breaking stuff in this game for sure
Basically 76 is ok lore, that’s it
Lore is literally just the quantity of info about the world. Its not an indicator of quality. Anyone could sit down and write 50 pages of lore on anything.
thxtlxrd
Depends if it’s actually worth two dog droppings to care about, most I can say about 76 is a big MEH
This is why I fought with everyone on Twitter who said the game was 'ruined' without NPC's. The lore was NEVER with the NPC's.
Saitaina Malfoy
It is ruined, and for you to attack people saying no is actually a sign of unstableness
Play the other fallouts
(New Vegas is what I recommend) and see how much different the story is compared to just holotapes playing in the background while you mindlessly try to sneak attack a player
...And on the other side of Olivia and Shannon is that Shannon and Fredrick are nothing but the usual comic book weirdos, they NEEDED to make their comic book life obsession a real thing so they could cope. Pure ridiculousness we'll probably see a lot of in our own world when it falls
Last night I completed this quest, and it was emotionally exhausting. But my takeaway was much different.
Throughout the quest, I was firmly on the side of Shannon and the Order. She was a firm but kind matron giving safety and purpose to young orphan girls. I was heartbroken to learn Olivia Betrayed her mother and the Order.
But I was far more heartbroken when we read Olivia's terminal, and we learned the horrifying truth: Shannon turned poor Brody away. Shannon threw Brody to the wind, forcing him to survive the winter and the wasteland alone with no help. He did what he must to survive. Shannon created Brody.
And the question must be asked: how many other young boys, who only needed help and protection, did Shannon selfishly doom? I'd imagine a heartbreaking amount. It was this moment that I can't help but see the Order in a different light. They were a cult, and Shannon their cult leader.
Brody being the one to destroy the Order once and for all was beautiful poetic justice.
I condone not the actions of anyone involved. Not Shannon, not Brody, but certainly not Olivia.
eh Shannon Rivers was wrong.The Raiders were going to find out who they were eventually.If not by Olivia by bad luck coincidence, something.Forming an alliance with the Responders might have helped although Olivia betrayal was overwhelming.
I hate traitors.
I accidentally found Olivia and Shannon’s bodies, it was during the beta and when it was about to end me and my friends were gonna get a screen shot on top of the cliff and I saw their bodies, one of by friends made a comment on how dark it was. At the time I didn’t know why they were there or what the Order of Mysterious was but now that I know it’s a bit depressing.
It was a little too obvious early in the quest that Olivia was the culprit, but this was still a very enjoyable story driven quest in a game that supposedly is bad and had a bad plot.
It's too bad the majority of vocal haters of Fallout 76 will never know this tale. I think it's somber and sad, and also very much Fallout.
Fantastic series! Great story telling Oxhorn. Loved every second of it.
Can we talk about how Shannon only took in girls does doing something with Brody, have a HUGE part in the dead of the Order?
not really. Olivia is the sole reason. You van see, that brody did just fine after not being adopted, he just decided to become a piece of shit 🤠🤷♂️
From likewise? Yes
Thanks Oxhorn one of the best I see so far. Thanks to your videos I'm a fun of Fallout. Keep it up with more of this ones, and thank you for your work and dedication in this lore vids. =)
Betting Fredrick shows up in future content, maybe 76's version of the Mechanist. Olivia was no slouch skill-wise, got to be some reason her arson failed to burn the whole mansion. I'm guessing Fredrick put out the fire then went into hiding. He likely figured out what had happened once Olivia started killing, and had to figure raiders might be coming as well. He couldn't stay and wait for Shannon, and there was every possibility once he knew what was happening that she'd already been killed.
I would like to say that some people (like me) enjoy your fallout 76 video,i love your work Oxhorn. Just keep going and ignore the hate please.
It’s not “hate” all I see is fans respectfully asking for other content than fallout 76. Oxhorn can take their request or not and they can move on to another channel or not. Just because they don’t enjoy 76 lore or criticizes doesn’t make it hate. I enjoy 76, but there’s no denying the lore is repetitive. Terminal,holotape, subject is dead.
@@glorifieduniverse5313 it's more whining like children lol
DocteurKermit the hate is deserved, Bethesda conned me and a lot of other people
JuliusCaesar500
The hell does that have to do with this channel
Mike Hunt
Yes, yes very much so
Olivia is as much a victim in this thing as she is the instigator, for lack of a better word. Olivia most likely felt isolated from her mother due to Shannon putting her work first and always being so hard on Olivia, both before and after the war. It sounds like S&F put a lot of pressure of their daughter and forcing someone to live up to such a high standard can be a strain on their mentality, especially if they feel as though they're not given enough parental love and guidance. Then the war comes and Olivia thinks she'll finally have time to bond with Shannon, but then S goes and starts adopting orphan girls and then starts up the OoM. I think Olivia initially wanted to join the order because she genuinely believes in the mission of the order, but slowly grows disillusioned with her and starts to resent her mother for not giving her the one thing she desperately wanted that she feels she never really got growing up, her mother's love. It sounds like Shannon never once sat down and had a genuine heart to heart talk with her daughter about what's going on. She treated Olivia more like subordinate than a daughter. Frederick is also at fault here. He had the chance to step in and help mend the wound that was festering between the two women, but chose to let them personally work it out despite the fact that Shannon was more focused on treating Olivia like a soldier than a daughter. This neglect from both parents, especially her mother, and strict upbringing both pre and post war turned Olivia into the hate filled, resentful woman she became. She chose to betray the order because she hated her mother and wanted to make her suffer. I'm not saying Olivia isn't a villain in this tale, but I don't think she's as spoiled and self entitled as you make her out to be Ox.
Not to mention from I've heard from other comments Shannon didn't adopt orphan boys which likely is the 1st step for her hating her mother
And that boy is the reason the order is destroyed
I enjoyed this storyline, Still don't like this game and most likely never will. But i can always enjoy a good storyline and I will always enjoy Oxhorn.
Why hate on 76 when MOST of the stories are this good?
@@Saitaina Because I would like to apart of the storyline, and not just show up five mins after it's over. It's like showing up to a party but the party is over, everyone went home and the cleaner is there telling about everything you missed and selling you stuff from the party for bottle caps.
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Here's an interesting idea Fallout 76 could do but never will cause it's actually fun and... a good idea:
YOU restore the Mistress of Mystery Order if you're a female!
36;20 flatwoods monster is watching u
Pretty sure Shannon never really knew how to Parent. Maybe not Fredrick either. They really painted a picture of terrible parents. Good people, to be sure. But being a parent means having to put someone else above all else. And that's something they refused to do.
Wow this was a really dark storyline. I partially blame Frederick for Olivia's temperment though. In the holotapes we find he is very hands off in discipline with Olivia. He almost is enabling Olivia by doing that. The only point Olivia had was the family only helping girls and not boys. I won't ignore she is an evil, delusional, spoiled brat.
Its somewhat understandable to me how things could have led to olivias final outlook on things, i dont see it so much as entitlement as that a sequence of circumstances led to he attitude changing, not that its any less her fault. There was of course the camping trip which though it was an important memory for olivia and a meaningfull place for a dramatic conclusion, i dont actually think was that important overall, much more the way shannon seemingly pushed her out of her own bedroom focusing on other girls like they were more important plus the fact that she was allready ready to get away from the house but then was forced to stay cooped up rather than spreading her wings thats is not a situation very conductive to developing a healthy mindset about things, then all the things covered in her journal... idk it all seems fairly understandable to me how given the situation she might develop that resentment, the image i have in my mind isnt so much jealousy but more the result of never being given the time to grow into an adult herself and never getting a break.
Damn i didnt format that at all rip, wadever
How long will you keep uploading 76 videos? I want to see the Yes man side in NV.
Angrey Doggo he’s said that after this series is over he’s going back to LA Noire first, then his old schedule of content. It’s coming, he just had to cover this while it was new.
Youre lame
@@dumdumdumbest834 * '
☹ im so sad
yes please go back to NV
I think you misunderstand Olivias intention on taking over - she's not going to do it politically, she's going to engage in arena fights, one after the other, to establish herself as the strongest and then kill Thorpe, taking power through strength. She needs the month to ensure the others will accept her strength, that's all. That's how I read it, given her obsession with strength.
There's only one problem, though: Raiders still don't work like that most of the time; If they see you as a threat, which Olivia had already done very well prior to her death, they're going to kill you in any way they deem necessary.
Glad you're uploading these events from Fallout 76. Your videos are as close as I'll get to playing it. Thank you!!
I like how Oxhorn not only depicts the stories behind the tapes,he also gives his own perspective on what could have been done to avoid this whole tragedy
Thank you for another great video, Oxhorn! I look forward to your videos everyday, regardless of what game you're covering. I can't wait to see all the Fallout 76 lore unfold.
Same man
That was a great series to follow along, I actually loved all the reading through the diaries more then the actual exploring of the ambush locations