how to harmonise a melody like a romantic composer

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  • knowing how to add chromaticism in harmony is a tool every composer should be aware of. in this video we'll be exploring a few different methods of doing so by harmonising a simple melodic extract.
    melody fragment taken from 300 texts et réalisations - RAYNAUD Jean-Claude.

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  • @anled.composition
    @anled.composition Рік тому +567

    Amazing how a few chromaticisms move the melody somewhere else !

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  Рік тому +54

      often, just by changing the harmony we open new paths to the melody we hadn't seen before!

    • @BORN753
      @BORN753 11 місяців тому +4

      Agree, adding chromatic notes made the biggest difference for me. Especially the first one, that got removed in the final version.

    • @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
      @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 3 місяці тому

      That's how the likes of Scriabin (in his early and middle periods) and Feinberg composed.

  • @ethangrieshop9405
    @ethangrieshop9405 Рік тому +369

    It almost feels like you started in the early romantic period like with Beethoven and moved into a later romantic style with this line, ultimately sounding more Schumann-esque

    • @joebloggs396
      @joebloggs396 Рік тому +15

      Many would say Beethoven is a classicist.

    • @vincent-ataramaniko
      @vincent-ataramaniko Рік тому +6

      ​@@joebloggs396nobody would say that

    • @yriiiiiii
      @yriiiiiii Рік тому +45

      ​@@vincent-ataramanikohe is often thought of as the bridge between classicism and romanticism as he took inspiration from haydn and mozart but also later from 1812 started moving to a more expressive form. Saying he is a thought of as a classicist is therefore not wrong per se, but just reductive

    • @vincent-ataramaniko
      @vincent-ataramaniko Рік тому +4

      @@yriiiiiii haydn and mozart were romantic in many of their last works. The early Beethoven sonatas were already romantic as well, Beethoven kept many classical aspects but was a romantic first and foremost

    • @papapowley560
      @papapowley560 11 місяців тому +6

      @@vincent-ataramaniko wrong

  • @adam.r2153
    @adam.r2153 Рік тому +177

    This video is incredible! The style is straightforward and clear. More please???

  • @TheAsianTree
    @TheAsianTree 11 місяців тому +102

    Am I the only one who loves the first one? Tbf, I love the classical styles of Mozart, Haydn, and Paganini to death, and that cadential 6/4 felt very homey and nostalgic.

    • @laurant4282
      @laurant4282 11 місяців тому +26

      It could be used as a very good storytelling device. The firsy one being at the beginning of the story, set in the home of the protagonist. The final one is returning to home after a long journey, or even after people living in the home have passed away, or the home having been destroyed/lost...

    • @artiemixx9319
      @artiemixx9319 6 місяців тому +4

      The first one excels in its simple elegance. Oftentimes in music, less is best. The final product is also melodic and evokes a different feeling.

  • @sova45654
    @sova45654 Рік тому +81

    This is crazy useful! I definitely struggle with harmonising from a given melody, especially in a romantic style, but this is super clear. Thanks for all the help :)

  • @andrewcass9177
    @andrewcass9177 11 місяців тому +37

    A lot of this went over my head, but I really enjoyed just listening to the changes and hearing you explain them. Thanks for broadening my musical palate!

  • @jackaguirre8576
    @jackaguirre8576 9 місяців тому +5

    I actually enjoyed the example at 1:14 the most, with the suspension and appoggiatura in the Violin II. That first suspension is beautiful.

  • @starkeeper
    @starkeeper Рік тому +38

    You're a great source for quick, easy-to-digest music content. As a fellow composer, stuff like this is incredibly useful when it comes to opening into deeper study and utilising techniques like this in my own writing! Like man, I could've adapted some of these ideas when I was working on my symphony!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  11 місяців тому +8

      the fact that you've written a symphony is by large a great feat already in and of itself!

  • @dantrizz
    @dantrizz 11 місяців тому +1

    I've started learning to compose properly recently and this is like the perfect thing for me to find.
    Thank you

  • @leonardo.labrada
    @leonardo.labrada Рік тому +14

    I loved it! It feels like you switched on/off the Brahms plugin

  • @carlosmendez6729
    @carlosmendez6729 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for playing the examples several times it really helped me understand what you were doing. ❤

  • @uufruity
    @uufruity 11 місяців тому +44

    Beginner pianist here! This was so impressive to watch as you build up a simple romantic melody to something even more beautiful and interesting! It truly makes me fall in love with classical (romantic-era) music all over again :)

    • @user-wl4ct8pl3s
      @user-wl4ct8pl3s 10 днів тому

      nice yui pfp

    • @uufruity
      @uufruity 9 днів тому

      @@user-wl4ct8pl3s thanks! she’s the cutest ^^

    • @user-wl4ct8pl3s
      @user-wl4ct8pl3s 8 днів тому

      @@uufruity have you tried learning any of HTT's songs on piano?

    • @uufruity
      @uufruity 8 днів тому

      @@user-wl4ct8pl3s No, I watched K-on prior to my journey with piano and I don’t remember recalling any songs that stuck out to me while I watched it!

    • @user-wl4ct8pl3s
      @user-wl4ct8pl3s 8 днів тому

      @@uufruity i feel like honey sweet tea time (the song that mugi wrote) would be a cool one to learn on the piano

  • @johnaue821
    @johnaue821 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for providing such well-laid out and clear examples of harmonic possibilities. I liked the point made about not necessarily using everything!

  • @nicolasrioscardona
    @nicolasrioscardona 10 місяців тому

    Short, concise, practical and well explained. Perfect.

  • @user-nv2wt4hi8t
    @user-nv2wt4hi8t 11 місяців тому +2

    Love it. Examples of music theory in motion like this light that fire in me while I build up my piano technique before continuing with my composition work. Subbed.

  • @jtbasener8740
    @jtbasener8740 11 місяців тому +2

    This has been inspirational to my own compositional art. Thank you!

  • @je4a301
    @je4a301 11 місяців тому +5

    love this video. had the feeling of a painting tutorial. please do more videos in this style, taking concepts from classical music and explaining them clearly by applying them in a composition

  • @Bodybuilder_Kingg
    @Bodybuilder_Kingg 11 місяців тому +3

    Sometimes, simple things sound more beautiful.

  • @gordonwong7158
    @gordonwong7158 4 місяці тому

    Amazing teacher. Appreciate more videos of this kind. Thank you again

  • @alecrechtiene558
    @alecrechtiene558 11 місяців тому +2

    This kind of video makes you realize how similar Romantic composers are to Jazz.

  • @artieghatavi416
    @artieghatavi416 Рік тому +22

    Great video. After you added the interrupted cadence I was screaming at the screen "that doesn't sound resolved anymore!! AGH" which I suppose is the point :) . Interesting food for thought in my own improvisation.

    • @dan_936
      @dan_936 Рік тому +1

      lol ikr same

  • @fadiessmaeel4909
    @fadiessmaeel4909 11 місяців тому

    Fantastic. Very well done, very clear and to the point. God job!!!

  • @barneystinson2382
    @barneystinson2382 Рік тому +1

    This is awesome, thank you very much for doing this.

  • @marcevanstein
    @marcevanstein 11 місяців тому +1

    Very well done explanation/example!

  • @MusicAbsum
    @MusicAbsum Рік тому +12

    Great video, concepts are very nicely explained👏👏

  • @RyanLeach
    @RyanLeach 11 місяців тому +2

    short and sweet, well done

  • @oscarholmjrgnsen4963
    @oscarholmjrgnsen4963 Місяць тому

    This video was very understanding and great. i learned a lot from this!

  • @mauricioibarra8455
    @mauricioibarra8455 Рік тому +1

    lol thank u so much for telling us to try it, I tried it and honestly I feel like I nailed it might have to expand, bless you for this

  • @CarlosMartinez-gr1rp
    @CarlosMartinez-gr1rp 11 місяців тому

    This is a great exercise for me: please more of these ❤

  • @michaelpogudincomposition
    @michaelpogudincomposition Рік тому +2

    Very informative! Thank you!

  • @hashimhussain5780
    @hashimhussain5780 11 місяців тому +1

    A very helpful video. Keep up the great work !!

  • @janefrancine
    @janefrancine 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this information, YOU GAINED NEW SUB! Keep up the good work man!

  • @lewedanz
    @lewedanz 11 місяців тому +1

    EXCELLENT VIDEO !!!
    PLEASE MORE HARMOMIZING MELODY VIDEOS 👏🙌

  • @fadideeb6984
    @fadideeb6984 11 місяців тому

    Very inspiring and professional. Please upload more of the same concept👌

  • @ileoliang
    @ileoliang 10 місяців тому

    Very well explained. More please!

  • @hermeticinstrumentalist6804
    @hermeticinstrumentalist6804 10 місяців тому

    Thank you Sir.
    It is wonderful to continue learning.

  • @Dognt343
    @Dognt343 3 місяці тому

    Thank you. Such a great, short video. Subscribed!!

  • @hdrevolution123
    @hdrevolution123 11 місяців тому

    Really nice video. You really showed a nuanced understanding of harmony here

  • @balladin9200
    @balladin9200 Рік тому +7

    underrated channel, great advice

  • @timbruer7318
    @timbruer7318 Рік тому +2

    Good stuff, harmony is so wonderful :)

  • @GregHarradineComposer
    @GregHarradineComposer 11 місяців тому +1

    Eye-opening (or should that be ear-opening) to hear the two versions side by side at the end. Great work!

  • @user-ug6hh4qg3n
    @user-ug6hh4qg3n Рік тому +3

    Nice, good things to learn

  • @barneystinson2382
    @barneystinson2382 Рік тому +3

    More about harmonizing please!

  • @batboy5023
    @batboy5023 Рік тому

    That was so cool!

  • @danielmasters9679
    @danielmasters9679 11 місяців тому

    Great lesson! Please, keep going😊

  • @morphicmusic
    @morphicmusic 5 місяців тому

    beautiful!

  • @MrGuitarristax
    @MrGuitarristax 11 місяців тому

    That was awesome! Please make more videos like that. :)

  • @eimeartheirishstitcher
    @eimeartheirishstitcher 2 місяці тому

    So much helpful information in such a short video!

  • @ccg8803
    @ccg8803 11 місяців тому

    An incredible brief video

  • @Quim141
    @Quim141 11 місяців тому

    Good video 👍 finally someone who knows what's talking about

  • @nitroperformanceguy
    @nitroperformanceguy 11 місяців тому

    Brilliant!!!

  • @rogernichols1124
    @rogernichols1124 11 місяців тому +14

    The additions to the original harmonisation move the music into more adventurous areas and that's fine, but the true talent of any composer in any age Western European music is to understand the value of simplicity and to sense when that's the appropriate choice. Some of the profoundest and most memorable passages of music, from Palestrina through Bach, Haydn, Brahms, Sibelius, Stravinsky, Copeland to Britten, Shostakovich, Ligeti, Glass and others "hit the mark" through simplicity, directness and transparency.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  11 місяців тому +2

      complexity concealed within simplicity is the hardest thing to achieve

  • @MapleSnoople
    @MapleSnoople Рік тому +6

    That was a really interesting watch! As a fellow Singaporean, I could also recognise your Singaporean accent immediately 😂

  • @neolyth
    @neolyth 11 місяців тому

    Great video, more from the romantic era please!

  • @faridforooghi8293
    @faridforooghi8293 Рік тому +2

    Great content… good luck

  • @wobblyorbee279
    @wobblyorbee279 10 місяців тому +1

    THAT ITALIAN 6TH god it sounds so beautiful

  • @jkmcs8431
    @jkmcs8431 11 місяців тому +1

    Okay, you got my attention, I’m all ears and I left you you a sub, it’s nothing much but I hope this will make your day better.

  • @justascaredpussycat1869
    @justascaredpussycat1869 10 місяців тому

    Arhhh, harmony and counterpoint. My arch nemesis.

  • @caiosobral4725
    @caiosobral4725 11 місяців тому

    That was amazing! Thank you. The only thing I missed was the actual sound of the strings. Anyway, great vid

  • @darb.musica
    @darb.musica 11 місяців тому

    Very nice!

  • @hamza.13
    @hamza.13 Рік тому +1

    Plz keep doing vids like this one

  • @mintegral1719
    @mintegral1719 11 місяців тому +1

    Holy crap, this was enlightening. Please do more of these!

  • @kangalio
    @kangalio 11 місяців тому +3

    I wish the video played the raw melody. I cannot read sheet music without a reference tone, but I can think up chords and tones up very well in my head

  • @thinkOfMeAsAClassicalMusician
    @thinkOfMeAsAClassicalMusician Рік тому +4

    3:02 we should show this to anyone who says they can’t tell the difference between schubert and schumann

  • @TheClassicalSauce
    @TheClassicalSauce 11 місяців тому +1

    Hello fellow composer! Nice video!

  • @julienmichel8013
    @julienmichel8013 11 місяців тому

    I think one of the best impact was adding non harmony notes to bring more movement and spice to the inner lines ; will you be making more videos about that aspect ?

  • @juanbitacoradelmusico5888
    @juanbitacoradelmusico5888 Рік тому +3

    Hmmm! sounds like Brahms and Reger too! Delicious.

  • @amir.nouroozi.composer
    @amir.nouroozi.composer 11 місяців тому

    great video

  • @Stitch87654
    @Stitch87654 11 місяців тому

    The second violin part is tasteful!!!

  • @altoclef6688
    @altoclef6688 Рік тому

    Good video.

  • @tabor503
    @tabor503 5 місяців тому

    Dope!

  • @Doug20__
    @Doug20__ 11 місяців тому +1

    That’s great!! Which romantic harmony book do you suggest for me to study?

  • @marije179
    @marije179 11 місяців тому

    I don't understand anything of this but the first thing already sounded very nice!

  • @paoloiavarone
    @paoloiavarone 11 місяців тому

    earned a sub

  • @BlackHermit
    @BlackHermit 11 місяців тому +1

    Very good chromaticism!

  • @thiagogomes3226
    @thiagogomes3226 9 місяців тому

    the most MOST important thing in music, in my opinion, is narrative and context. There is space for every sound and ambient in music, given the narrative and context. Rationalization of compositional tools and processes, also subjective descriptors, gain more meaning and becomes more useful when associated with narrative and context.

  • @lollertoaster
    @lollertoaster 11 місяців тому

    The italian chord broke my hearth.

  • @Dizzyfingers2
    @Dizzyfingers2 Рік тому +2

    Last measure tension / resolution: Violin II - D (first beat) to C (second / third beats) ...

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  Рік тому +2

      exactly! the same could be done in vlc or a suspension with the B natural

  • @williamallen6487
    @williamallen6487 3 місяці тому +1

    Sounds like some Joe Hisaishi Ghibli magic! Love it!

  • @monsieurbrochant7528
    @monsieurbrochant7528 11 місяців тому +4

    Very interesting, thanks! I think this sounds more like the first iteration of a musical idea early in a music piece, then the second, enriched one, later in the piece. Do you know how to acquire the "tools" you mentioned at the end of the video? I try to remember the ones I see in each piece I learn but is there some kind of list? Do you have one?

    • @furman.composer
      @furman.composer 11 місяців тому

      Studying harmony and counterpoint.

    • @monsieurbrochant7528
      @monsieurbrochant7528 11 місяців тому

      @@furman.composer how? Any recommendations?

    • @furman.composer
      @furman.composer 11 місяців тому

      @@monsieurbrochant7528 French manuals (Gedalge, d'Indy, Dubois, Fauré...), Cherubini or Fux's books. There's a new trend going on in Partimento - also interesting to check. But commonly found books are indeed good: Kosta's Tonal Harmony, Aldwell's Harmony and Voice leading, Gauldin and Schoenberg's books. Even Walter Piston's are good. And, of course, plenty of solfège exercises (utilizing the same harmony and counterpoint exercises to sight sing each voice). May seem overwhelming at first glance, but diligently studied, this material can be perfected over 2 years without rushing or get tired, just taking few sessions per week. The rest is active listening and practice (with and without instrument).

  • @toppermusic
    @toppermusic 8 місяців тому +1

    Wanting to learn this style of orchestration. Any recommendations on literature I can read?

  • @philonouz
    @philonouz Рік тому

    nice

  • @zidanidane
    @zidanidane Рік тому

    💛💛💛

  • @adrianzaremba8098
    @adrianzaremba8098 11 місяців тому +1

    Very nice! I interpreted the melody in C minor with some interesting results

  • @kaptnkirk2740
    @kaptnkirk2740 11 місяців тому

    Thank you. Very interesting!
    Could you sometimes do some stuff about 64-chords in romantic music? It seems, they appear occasionally "irregular". That means: not as a transitus and not as a suspension bevor 53 but more like a "normal" chord.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  11 місяців тому

      it's hard to know what you mean by a "normal" chord, maybe you'd like to provide some examples for me to check out

  • @Wulfhartus
    @Wulfhartus 11 місяців тому

    The italian chord is good to know

  • @jamescerone
    @jamescerone Рік тому

    That first option with the interrupted cadence sounds like Randy Newman

  • @HYP3RK1NECT
    @HYP3RK1NECT 11 місяців тому +1

    Armonice eso pero en do menor. Ya que Mi bemol mayor sentía que no le queda. Pero es mi opinión. Kas posibilidades de componer esa base son muchas.

  • @C0urante
    @C0urante 11 місяців тому

    Is there a wrong note in the audio for the first chord of the viola part in the final harmonization? The chord sounds like a V42 of ii instead of a viiº43, with a C in the viola instead of a Db.

  • @levimungai1846
    @levimungai1846 4 місяці тому

    are there books one can go through to learn about chords and harmony? this kind of analysis. what are some of them?

  • @user-ze6yf1go2m
    @user-ze6yf1go2m 10 місяців тому

    Where can I find this collection of given melodies?

  • @jdcellist
    @jdcellist 11 місяців тому

    It would be cool for the Cello's B natural in bar 4 to come a beat earlier!

  • @LucBoeren
    @LucBoeren 7 місяців тому

    Great vid! I'm guessing you had some real proper music education, however if I could just ask: do you have any tips for learning music by oneself? I'm super thrilled about learning it but school might not really be an option for me as I already have attended colleges and universities for a few too many years. Any tips on books, websites or methods would be super appreciated. Btw I'm telling everyone about your channel :-)

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  7 місяців тому

      Thanks so much! I do highly recommend getting a teacher who can teach you analysis, counterpoint and harmony, that'd really speed things up but if you can't find one, your best chances are scouring online, even on UA-cam, for resources to teach these things. I've seen a couple of channels who teach basic harmony and counterpoint.

  • @tristanfanningmusic9701
    @tristanfanningmusic9701 11 місяців тому +1

    Could you explain how you've named the chord at 3:21 at the upbeat? I'm not really sure how this chord is vii43dim/ii in Eb. Thank you!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  11 місяців тому

      the ii chord is F minor in the key of Eb, the diminished chord vii7 of F is E G Bb Db, and since Bb is in the bass, second inversion thus 43

  • @upside_you_mop
    @upside_you_mop 10 місяців тому

    Yoo could you do some kapustin, maybe his 4th concerto

  • @alvin9284
    @alvin9284 9 місяців тому

    jazz

  • @ultrahotwings9738
    @ultrahotwings9738 10 днів тому

    Out of curiosity, you mentioned that the Italian 6th is a predominant chord, but when I listen to it, it sounds like a dominant chord to me. I get that it's technically an enharmonic with a dominant 7th chord (with the 5th omitted), but the Cb It6 chord to my ear in this context makes me hear a B7 leading to a Bb... or a II-V to the V with a tritone sub on the II chord. I think part of why I'm feeling that chord as a dominant is because the F-natural (or E#) in the melody would be the lydian of the B7 dominant chord, so it injects a tense brightness at that moment..
    Also, I'm curious how you address the F-natural in the Cb It6 chord.. or do you just see it as a non-harmonic passing tone?
    Fascinating how aspects of jazz theory and classical theory sorta intermingle with each other, TBH.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  10 днів тому +1

      You're right. Tchaikovsky mentions in his treatise of harmony that the augmented 6 chords should really be treated as substitutions of the dominant chord. But it really is used most of the time like a sort of dominant of the dominant like in this example which is why in Eb we could say that it's the predominant.
      I prefer analysing the F as a passing note but it also fits nicely in a French 6 chord too.

  • @jorgeisaacgonzalezprieto6590
    @jorgeisaacgonzalezprieto6590 11 місяців тому

    Aprobado!

  • @coolmuso6108
    @coolmuso6108 11 місяців тому +1

    This was great! Do you have any useful resources on harmonisation? I’m trying to compose more in my free time and it’s difficult because I don’t have my piano on me at the moment.

  • @ildarkhannanov4326
    @ildarkhannanov4326 5 місяців тому +1

    After all NCT and variations added, the progression remains functional. It does not become less functional. For some reason, everybody uses the term "functional" as some kind of curse word. Without "functional" this progression would fall apart. It takes decades to internalize tonal-harmonic function.