Origins of Gothic Chess by Ed Trice - the Unique Appeal of a New Game- AncientChess.com
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
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Ed Trice, creator and proponent of Gothic Chess, explaining how this chess alternative came to be so popular. An exemplary and instructive tale on a truly dedicated effort to make chess even better for players now and in the future.
hi, happy to see you again
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Thanks! Good to be back. I love making these videos, just have been hard pressed to make the time. More to come!
Easy to remember! I like that the left and right sides retain the original chess setup (rook in the corner, then knight, then bishop), as you mentioned. Then just king surrounded by new pieces, with chancellor next to the king on the e file.
Thanks for the comment. Yes ... even goes up to Queen on the d file as far as the old standard arrangement. This game is such a natural extension of the standard chess, I think it will continue to catch on with seasoned players.
It's very exciting to see the evolution of this game. Makes me wonder if the day has come to consider a future time when regular chess will have passed due to high probability of draws within top ranks. Great to see another video Rick!
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@@АлександрЕрохно-ф8ж very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
It's hard to imagine the standard game falling -- but evolution has been the rule, not the exception in games like this. Thanks for tuning in after my long time of being off UA-cam.
@Robert Koch! I totally agree, and many top level players have been thinking this already for decades -- at least! Yes, for my level of play, chess is still a good game, and I'll never be a top-drawer draw-er (that's a kind of play on words, right?). But as a fan, following games and seeking clashes of the Titans, it's just about all over.
There are some ideas I've heard circulating, trying to tweak the game 'just a little' so standard players don't have to totally throw away all their years of training -- but such half-steps are pretty weak and only show how stuck the high-level players have become. The game and the players are just too entrenched.
But we, the People, can play whatever we want! And the possibilities are wonderful.
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@Robert Koch! Yeah, you'll see that I've been catching up on multiple comments you've made. How about bringing in another rule? The old rule of 'bared king'. That is, if the opponent is reduced to only a king, he loses on the spot (unless he can capture the other's last piece on that turn and create a king vs king draw). Could solve some serious draw problems.
A new video! Amazing!
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Very nice and instructive explanation.
Very interesting. I ordered a 10 by 8 board from Ed. Excited to try this arrangement of pieces
Good to be hear😃🔮💝💾
Thanks for the good comment!
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@9:04 Ed Trice, that is some impressive playtesting right there. I am experimenting with Fisher Transcendental chess at the moment, which requires extensive computer analysis of the starting arrays for balance, and this technique sounds very interesting. I would also play Gothic Chess, if the man who invented it is as knowledgable as this, it must be good.
Yes, that's what fascinates me about this game, and about Ed in particular. I don't think any other game inventor has had the mix of chess analysis and computer programming so readily, to check the actual depth and potential of their game, before publishing it. I think this game can go far, especially among standard chess players who have come to expect great depth in their game from the beginning.
Also, very interesting that you mention Transcendental Chess (TC). We cover that, among several other "random" variants in our book ( aworldofchess.com p325). I am sure some good computer analysis will be able to tell what configurations allow good games, and which are too advantageous to white (first move) ... and perhaps which are most frustrating (pieces naturally get in each others' way, etc.)... I wonder then, how you would use this knowledge to improve the games in a TC tournament. Perhaps have the random setting generated in advance (but kept secret), but first subjected to computer vetting to be sure there are no 'bad ones'.
Thanks for the very kind remarks. I play online at pychess-variants.herokuapp.com/ so stop by this FREE site and look for me.
@@edtrice3659 Do you have any numbers or estimates about state space and game tree complexity in Gothic Chess?
@@asherasator I do actually. I counted the number of moves as a function of depth from the root of the initial position. It is listed here online at oeis.org/A114037
@@asherasator Easier table is here oeis.org/A114037/list
Good afternoon, good video, about Gothic chess, we wrote a letter to Ed Trice mail that wr wanted to buy gothic chess but he still hasn't answered. Why?
I don't know about Ed responding, but you can get the game here
www.ebay.com/itm/TRICES-CHESS-Gothic-w-VINYL-MAT-EXPANDED-8x10-VARIANT-SET-K-3-in-859/254210569859?hash=item3b30217683:g:r2UAAOSwU5dcwPmw
... or here ...
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Interesting background on his tour through the country playing Capablanca. It shows it wasn't about Gothic in the beginning.
10x8 Chess is not bad but not as preferable as 8x8 though.
I prefer to look at 10x10 games though.
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Yeah, I do find the story of this game exceptional. It started with a guy who just wanted to revive Capablanca's chess -- but discovered something had to give, to make it have the depth of the standard game.
Oh cool a 2019 video at least it is five months ago
Yay good video yo
Is there a place to place this online with a computer?
YES! Try this link to a nice computer program. You can choose the strength...
gothicchess.info/jocly/examples/browser/control.html?game=gothic-chess
Yes and now there is a much stronger version as well as the ability to play against other human players at pychess-variants.herokuapp.com/
For Gothic Chess resources, go to this page (scroll down for the 'link buttons'):
evenbetterchess.com/
Here cause i read in a book bobby fischer was going to play gothic chess with karpov for 14 million dollars but it never happened.
Thanks for that comment. Where did you read that? Ed Trice told me a bit about it, and it sounded pretty amazing. Finally couldn't happen because Fischer died rather suddenly.
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gothic chess
Good game right?
should have ended the video with you playing the game against one another!
He beats me badly! Here is a list of videos, some with him playing very high level games ua-cam.com/video/4dpnwrvc-KU/v-deo.html
Rick and I played a pair of games at a pizza shop a few weeks later. I played some "tricky" moves because I wanted to end the game with a solo-checkmate using just the Archbishop. Of course, Rick did not know my plan, so now and then I let a pawn drop or I set something up where it looked like he could win a piece. But... that was all a smoke screen for the deadly Archbishop to finish the job. It was all in good fun, and, after all, isn't that what it's all about?
The bad version of Capablanca Chess. BoooooooooooO!
This is better than capablanca chess. Ed trice has written a few paragraphs analyzing the defects of capablanca chess on his website
Nice!