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When it comes to “repetition”. Sometimes it’s a cultural thing. You see that in black churches. You also see it in some African churches (I was born and raised in uganda). During worship we would sing a song that only had one verse and a chorus for like 20 minutes with the same passion all throughout the song. Unlike some western countries that get bored with repetition, in uganda when you’ve seen Gods faithfulness and goodness in your life, you don’t mind singing that one chorus for an hour 😂. That’s the least of your worries.
I know what am going through right now, the financial challenges, being homeless, rejections from families etc,but am waiting on God for his intervention,my waiting on him is worth it
I’m only 11 minutes in but many of these songs quote Scripture like this as a way to decree and declare to God what they want to happen. They believe their worship like this will demonstrate their faith so that God will DO whatever it is they are waiting on Him to do.
The problem with the song is the why and the what they are waiting on God for. Voddie has a great sermon out there about worship (a G3 conference sermon maybe?) where he talks about worship that is meant to appease God or manipulate Him. That is exactly what this is.
I think this is the sermon. It hit me hard last year when I first heard it because I realized that is what I had been doing for years and years. ua-cam.com/video/EZ_u8fbyZZU/v-deo.html
Also most churches that sing these songs aren’t set up like they are in the video. There’s usually a stage and it’s lit up while being dark everywhere else so the focus is all on the worship team and then you’ve got people in the crowd with their phones out making videos for social media and so it mostly comes off as a performance to me. I’m sure there are some who are genuinely worshipping but it does feel like a concert.
This video was my first exposure to the song, so I chose to just listen without watching the video. Here is my synopsis, which very likely will not change: This is the near-perfect execution of a skillfully-crafted formula; a formula tuned for the development of a mass-appeal consumer product. It has a message directed entirely to the audience, yet it's performed with such passion it feels directed to God. The lyrics allude to the depth of scripture, yet they maintain the accessibility of a children's song (e.g. Jesus Loves Me, This I Know). Yet somehow, these straightforward words took SIX writers to develop.The imagery is broad and mystical to allow all listeners to connect through the sense of nostalgia. It ebbs and flows upwardly to entice our emotions, delivering the sense of a powerful experience through subconscious means. But that's just what I think off the top of my head.
Your description is very much a description of what all music is like 😂😂. You're just listening to criticise and hence you're coming up with an over-analysed bunch of crap.
I think it’s a way to draw people in. A lot of people choose churches based on worship style. This style of music is “cool” and gets people in and then it doesn’t matter much what gets preached. Also these songs make a lot of money for them. Hymns don’t sell.
One thing as a music pastor you have to think about is if what you are doing is distracting the congregation from coming closer to God and the message of the song. Whether it’s how bad you’re playing, maybe you’re overplaying a piano part, whether I need to speak in this instrumental of the song or let it be a moment of worship, whether I need to go and jump around crazy if I’m genuinely feeling that passion, ect. There’s a lot more to think about it worship then I realized. I’m actually reading a great book called Worship Matters by Bob Kauflin (also another good book about worship is How To Worship a King by Zach Neese) and there’s a lot that goes into worship. Yes, worship is for God alone and our heart matters a lot. As a music pastor, our job is to authentically worship with our skills as well as putting all the focus off me and on God. That’s what good worship does. It brings attention to God, not to self. Minimizing distractions and drawing attention to oneself is key. We’ll never be perfect at this of course. But if someone leading worship in a song or in any other aspect of worship outside of music is distracting you from the one who deserves to be magnified and glorified, you are not doing good. I doubt you can do that for every believer due to certain factors. But if most of the congregation, the large majority, is focused on you instead of God that is bad. Everyone is different, so you gotta keep that in mind as well. So much goes into worship music, and even much more so in larger worship to our beautiful Savior
Great review I enjoyed it! Here’s my 2 cents: I love Maverick City just because you can tell they just let the Spirit lead in a lot of moments. I think there are some parts where it is a little bit of performance but I have sympathy for that because it’s very hard not to when you are a big name that is used to going on tour to actual concerts (which they do to lead different cities in worship). A lot of those moments that they are jumping and dancing is more Spirit led than performance I think, because you can tell they are just really fired up about what they believe. I think it’s important to find your own style of worship as long as it’s Biblically sound and then let the Holy Spirit lead the rest, however that looks. As a worship leader, there will always be some people that have different style, so it can be challenging to know what to do while on stage.
The “random” worship you reference I see as spontaneous worship, the part of the worship time that is usually left for the Holy Spirit to move also an opportunity for the audience member to sing their own song unto the Lord. It’s “free” worship if you will, not lyrically led by the worship leader and I think it’s great. Free worship gives you time to express your own love and adoration to the Lord without reading from a screen. So I don’t think it’s performance based here (or at least I hope it’s not).
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When it comes to “repetition”. Sometimes it’s a cultural thing. You see that in black churches. You also see it in some African churches (I was born and raised in uganda). During worship we would sing a song that only had one verse and a chorus for like 20 minutes with the same passion all throughout the song. Unlike some western countries that get bored with repetition, in uganda when you’ve seen Gods faithfulness and goodness in your life, you don’t mind singing that one chorus for an hour 😂. That’s the least of your worries.
I know what am going through right now, the financial challenges, being homeless, rejections from families etc,but am waiting on God for his intervention,my waiting on him is worth it
Didn't realize my mic wasn't muted at the beginning of the song :) my apologies
I’m only 11 minutes in but many of these songs quote Scripture like this as a way to decree and declare to God what they want to happen. They believe their worship like this will demonstrate their faith so that God will DO whatever it is they are waiting on Him to do.
The problem with the song is the why and the what they are waiting on God for. Voddie has a great sermon out there about worship (a G3 conference sermon maybe?) where he talks about worship that is meant to appease God or manipulate Him. That is exactly what this is.
I think this is the sermon. It hit me hard last year when I first heard it because I realized that is what I had been doing for years and years.
ua-cam.com/video/EZ_u8fbyZZU/v-deo.html
Awesome brother keep up the good work loved this song 💯❤️🙏
Also most churches that sing these songs aren’t set up like they are in the video. There’s usually a stage and it’s lit up while being dark everywhere else so the focus is all on the worship team and then you’ve got people in the crowd with their phones out making videos for social media and so it mostly comes off as a performance to me. I’m sure there are some who are genuinely worshipping but it does feel like a concert.
Dante Bowe. That's who he is.
This video was my first exposure to the song, so I chose to just listen without watching the video. Here is my synopsis, which very likely will not change:
This is the near-perfect execution of a skillfully-crafted formula; a formula tuned for the development of a mass-appeal consumer product. It has a message directed entirely to the audience, yet it's performed with such passion it feels directed to God. The lyrics allude to the depth of scripture, yet they maintain the accessibility of a children's song (e.g. Jesus Loves Me, This I Know). Yet somehow, these straightforward words took SIX writers to develop.The imagery is broad and mystical to allow all listeners to connect through the sense of nostalgia. It ebbs and flows upwardly to entice our emotions, delivering the sense of a powerful experience through subconscious means.
But that's just what I think off the top of my head.
I agree with your analysis. Very good.
Your description is very much a description of what all music is like 😂😂. You're just listening to criticise and hence you're coming up with an over-analysed bunch of crap.
I think it’s a way to draw people in. A lot of people choose churches based on worship style. This style of music is “cool” and gets people in and then it doesn’t matter much what gets preached. Also these songs make a lot of money for them. Hymns don’t sell.
One thing as a music pastor you have to think about is if what you are doing is distracting the congregation from coming closer to God and the message of the song. Whether it’s how bad you’re playing, maybe you’re overplaying a piano part, whether I need to speak in this instrumental of the song or let it be a moment of worship, whether I need to go and jump around crazy if I’m genuinely feeling that passion, ect. There’s a lot more to think about it worship then I realized. I’m actually reading a great book called Worship Matters by Bob Kauflin (also another good book about worship is How To Worship a King by Zach Neese) and there’s a lot that goes into worship. Yes, worship is for God alone and our heart matters a lot. As a music pastor, our job is to authentically worship with our skills as well as putting all the focus off me and on God. That’s what good worship does. It brings attention to God, not to self. Minimizing distractions and drawing attention to oneself is key. We’ll never be perfect at this of course. But if someone leading worship in a song or in any other aspect of worship outside of music is distracting you from the one who deserves to be magnified and glorified, you are not doing good. I doubt you can do that for every believer due to certain factors. But if most of the congregation, the large majority, is focused on you instead of God that is bad. Everyone is different, so you gotta keep that in mind as well. So much goes into worship music, and even much more so in larger worship to our beautiful Savior
Great review I enjoyed it! Here’s my 2 cents: I love Maverick City just because you can tell they just let the Spirit lead in a lot of moments. I think there are some parts where it is a little bit of performance but I have sympathy for that because it’s very hard not to when you are a big name that is used to going on tour to actual concerts (which they do to lead different cities in worship). A lot of those moments that they are jumping and dancing is more Spirit led than performance I think, because you can tell they are just really fired up about what they believe. I think it’s important to find your own style of worship as long as it’s Biblically sound and then let the Holy Spirit lead the rest, however that looks. As a worship leader, there will always be some people that have different style, so it can be challenging to know what to do while on stage.
The “random” worship you reference I see as spontaneous worship, the part of the worship time that is usually left for the Holy Spirit to move also an opportunity for the audience member to sing their own song unto the Lord. It’s “free” worship if you will, not lyrically led by the worship leader and I think it’s great. Free worship gives you time to express your own love and adoration to the Lord without reading from a screen. So I don’t think it’s performance based here (or at least I hope it’s not).
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