@Manuel Castro You don't have to even destroy the concept of evil. For example, when someone who's trying to stab children, stop him at the last moment and smite him. Like, let people make their choices, give them second chances if you want to, but if they step out of line too much, destroy them. Like, why would God imprison Lucifer instead of just putting him to sleep forever? Or try to rehabilitate him? Smh
@@Sulexar I think that God made us in His image,and since day 1 our ancestors were on the Garden all they did was screw things up from the first trial. Then on Earth we have brought the planet to the edge of destruction. I think God is tired watching His creations fail over and over again.
"Fire me if you want, but eventually the boss will come back home. And you know how he is with that whole 'wrath' thing..." Most badass line ever uttered by the holy host.
This is actually a very sweet scene. When Joshua says he can sympathize with God and that he gets lonely. This is a very interesting scene, saddening as well.
IamNumb432 That would imply also that God doesn't talk even to Death. Intresting concept also when you remember movie "God's Army" when Gabriel says "He doesn't talk to me anymore"
Joahua is god.ive been saying it sense that scene aired.superfans just think about all joshuas time when he shows up and what he says.and hes on noones side.joshua is god prob find out in few weeks
Jason Hicks but didn’t Joshua get killed off at the entrance of heaven by that one prince of hell or something? I haven’t watched the last couple of seasons tho
+2Good2BeTrue45 yeah exactly ... It should have ended after season 5 ... They have completely wrecked the show with the stupid God vs AMARA storyline like damn man
Been doing some runs down memory lane , stumbled upon this video. If you're still watching , and you saw SE 14 Finale , do you still believe what you said ? ^^
@BLACK DEATH I see you on every god damn comment on here man, shut the fuck up with your racist nonsense. If god said black people were cursed, or if black people were even originally mentioned in the bible then Europeans would've already known that they existed. That's probably just some retarded BS added in by slavers. This stupid ass nonsense you're spouting is just lies. It's a scientific fact that humans started off with black skin, caused by melanin, not some fucking curse you dipshit.
Back when not all Angels were bloodthirsty monsters. Nowadays, EVERYONE not affiliated with the Winchesters is evil: Angels, Archangels, God, the Mailman, etc. 🙄
To be fair Royal Mail are the stuff of evil because they never leave your parcels in decent places or they send your parcels back to the fkn Post office if you're not in lol
+nowookiee Now I'm just wondering wtf would happen with bee-obsessed cas and cain would do at that moment when dean and cain meets up. BTW, cain was trained by lucifer and cas was like mindfucked by lucifer and both of them like bees. I mean seriously what's up with lucifer and bees.
The true ending of the show was season 5. The hack writers of seasons 6 to 15 had no idea how to end the show, mostly due to the fact the writers changed every year after Kripke left after Season 5. The only reason the show tried to echo the earlier seasons is because they completely lost the plot of the show and tried to cobble together an ending, which didn't work and was still shit.
"Fire me if you want, but someday the Boss is going to come back. . . And you know how he is with that whole. . . . . .Wrath thing." OOoooo .. Such a great delivery! (total props to the actor) (humble, soft-spoken & weak [by angel standards] little Joshua. but DAMN can that mouse Roar!)
Its a popular opinion but earlier seasons were definitely better! In terms of plot, cinematography, characters and def actors. Went badly after season 8 (i do like the purgatory story line).
I actually think, that the seasons got better again after season 9, but yeah the first seasons (including 6&7 in my opinion) were the best, though the ending in season 15 was also pretty awsome
At least someone is finally talking sense. Eric Kripke said Seasons 1 - 5 is the definitive story of Supernatural and was how he ended the story. Seasons 6 to 15 is a creation that was not his and therefore is BS fanfiction. The brothers went from averting the apocalypse due to their own sheer force of will, love and courage (as well as help from God) to do the impossible and save the world, to the horrible and abysmal season 15 ending where a cosmic entity had to bail them out (as well as that entity being literally the anti christ and the anti christ being the new God of the world but because he was raised by Dean, Sam and Castiel, he will be a good God......wtf?!) Nobody with a functional brain, a pulse and common sense can say seasons 1 - 5 and Seasons 6 to 15 is even the same show at all. This is a prime example of why show NEEDS TO END when it comes to a natural conclusion, not be continued just for the sake of money, comfort and because fans have a hard time letting go. All the best shows have a proper lifespan and many of them are short or at least have an ending they planned from the beginning, never deviated from that plan and didn't extend it out of greed
You're absolutely correct. The first 5 seasons are the golden years. A solid steady plot with continual buildup, while throwing in the 'monster of the week'. The cinematography had movie style closeups with subtle music. Minor characters had stories the audience could relate. No smart phones being used by the boys or demons, which cheapens the feel. A particular part of Supernatural that I look back and miss is Bobby's house. All the guys sitting around with a beer, researching and plotting their next moves. You lose that feel in the later seasons.
If only they had listen to Joshua. This was a major turning point in the series. This was a warning, God isn't your dad, he is isn't your saviour. He is a gardener. He tends to his garden if wants to keep it, but he naturally lets it do its thing. He doesn't try to control he lets it be. Whether you like it or not, he sees us as plants, not living things with choices.
Anyone else get the feeling that the real reason God didn't intervene had less to do with Him not caring and more to do with Him trusting Sam, Dean, and Castiel to be able to take care of it?
Alexandros Petrou Well, I mean even Joshua himself said that God had already intervened somewhat by teleporting Sam and Dean onto that plane to get them out of danger and bringing Cass back from the dead. That makes it sound to me as though He cared at least a little bit.
Oh he did and he probably does care.but only because its probably something that the show has purposefully(for the obvious reasons) let "roam around" as a rumor,if u know what i mean.Cuz it helps the story to keep going forward and actually make some sense,cuz lets face it there is no other logical interpretation as to why God would "help them" one way or another anyway rather than the reason the writers put it there,which is for the story to progress
+franz Hell NO! they would make a mockery of him with the crap writing team they have now. Supernatural will never be like this again, just have to accept it.
2Good2BeTrue45 Guess you're right. The show itself only goes on to please the fans and it's become pretty corny, although I'll keep watching it till the end.
Well, if Chuck is God, then he already wrote this story and already knows how it ends, doesn't make sense to interfere if you know things are in the right hands.
Well he said it was bc he was "disappointed" at humanity and everybody. Seems like he was in the process of writing, but only his own story. "In the beginning, there was me." X'D The first draft sucked according to Metatron, but his later draft seemed better. I don't think he writes the future bc he didn't expect what happened at the end of season 11.
I just hope they still make god omnipotent in season 15. Him being beaten just ruins the whole omnipotent thing. Sure omnipotent means he can lose, but it also means he can win at the same time.
We don't know that. It's entirely plausible, consistent with the narrative, and a better story, that Chuck pits Sam and Dean against monsters for fun, then intervenes when they come up against actual threats where they need his help, like Lucifer and the Darkness. I don't believe Chuck is or ever has been omnipotent. He has the power to create, to destroy, and to see. That doesn't mean he has, or is capable of having, the power to control his creation.
The big problem with having an omnipotent person in any fictional franchise is, either that person is lying about the omnipotence, or it's just the author. The author alone is omnipotent.
Well God confirmed all Chuck said here and more: He did save the Winchesters several times and he resurrected Castiel too a bunch of times. He actually said that "I've rebuilt Castiel more times than I can remember and look where that's gotten Me!!!" Which actually suggests to me that God has resurrected Cas more than the three times we know of.
I agree about the private screen time thing but he did say he brought Cas back to help them. He responded to Metatron about having helped the Winchesters by saying something about having saved them followed by the line about how many times he's resurrected Cas.
WarGrowlmon18 I think that's overthinking it. Joshua also said that it was more than God has intervened in a long time. Reviving Castiel 3 times is probably plenty for him. And if Castiel ever died, I feel like we would know about it
3:30 Pretty much how he turned out in season 11. At least in these earlier seasons you could've given god the benefit of a doubt and wrote off that Dean was just projecting.
"Wouldn't lie about this! Look, fire me if you want. Sooner or later, He's going to come back home, and you know how He is with that whole wrath thing." Not fucking around is he?
I loved this scene. it's sincere to what I believe God would say. The grand being who created all of this and is one of the oldest beings in creation saying "Hey this is not my responsibility. Fix your own problems and stop looking to me". Angels, demons, and humans are responsible for all this. Yes god made them but they caused the apocalypse. Why should he step in? If they want to save the world they need to take responsibility and fix it and god knows they can. He's already helped more than once. Probably out of guilt but now he's done. Death kept helping them out and look where it got him.
Well, let's take a look at God's greatest hits, as Dean might put it. 1) He creates a universe with pretty much no life except for Earth and maybe, possibly, some alien worlds light-years away. Already, extremely inefficient use of space. 2) He creates the Leviathans, somehow not knowing or predicting ahead of time that they would want to destroy his whole creation, and then simply creates Purgatory and locks them in there instead of just destroying or taming them. And don't tell me that Chuck is too incompetent for that; unless the Leviathans started to actually eat their way out of the pages of his book, there is no reason that he couldn't just destroy them by writing, "And then the Leviathans were no more", or taming them with, "And then the Leviathans were cuter than kittens." 3) He gives the Mark of Cain to Lucifer, being somehow unable to predict that it would corrupt Lucifer's judgment and mind, and that Lucifer's corruption could lead to an eventual fight that would devastate Earth. 4) He forces Michael to throw his own brother into a place of eternal torment just for refusing to worship humans more than the god that created them, and demanding an explanation for why God would ask such a thing. 5) He leaves, with no explanation or instructions, and will probably stay gone until the end of season 11 or so. In total, he will have been physically gone for billions of years, doing who knows what, abandoning a world of lesser beings to figure things out on their own, both peacefully and violently. These are literally the direct catalysts of the Apocalypse. God is directly responsible for all of them. How can anyone else be told to solve their own problems if God is capable of solving them infinitely better? Just look at how the Apocalypse was averted without God. Sam is forced to go into the Cage with Lucifer, Michael, and Adam, only for a soulless shell to be brought back to endanger everyone and a seriously damaged soul to only come back after half a season. Not to mention Dean's year of grief or the fact that Adam's soul is still in there and probably damaged beyond repair at this point from the torture. Plus, probably various innocent deaths caused by the start of the Apocalypse throughout season 5. Is that a better solution than Chuck simply writing, "And then everyone lived happily ever after"?
A Johnson Pros of Dean's situation: sex, a normal life, and alcohol. Cons: emotional repression, nightmares, and literally no family left. Sounds awesome.
Chuck(God) wants the demons and Angels to fix their problems. The reason why he didn't want to interfere was because he knew Sam, Dean, castiel, and Bobby would end the apocalypse in time and it makes sense that God resurrected castiel and took Sam and Dean from the presence of lucifer. In a way he used Sam, Dean, Castiel and Bobby to do his work
he nto eivl rmeber he told you god not nci when in wearth mode weath eman god is pissed noah flahs was tirm when god was angey he to eivl and ever sman psit him of hwen eh try to shot him
Waiting patiently for Joshua to show himself in S9. Or it's entirely possible he wasn't ejected as he's the "keeper" of the throne room. There's gotta be at least one place in Heaven where God's got no funny business going on, where his Children can't run a muck like us.
JKayification meh I don't think that would have been a very good plot twist. If Joshua was evil then his message to the Winchesters would have come into serious question about it's legitimacy. Plus he's the one in direct contact with god, and I'd think he would be the one person who'd be able to tell someone's true nature effectively.
Scott Morales No, I don't mean that Joshua should have been evil, but it would have been more of a twist if they thought that Joshua was the one who was with them (since he is an angel that they know and would trust) and then it turns out to be Gadriel (or whoever). The way it is now, neither of the Winchesters knew who Ezekiel or Gadriel were. So when the storyline was all, "Aha, that random angel that you've never seen or heard of before is actually a *different* random angel that you've never seen or heard of before," it had less impact because we didn't have a specific reason to care about the difference between them. (I know, I know, they said that Gadriel was in prison but most of the angels that the boys work with are fallen/rebelled against Heaven -- Anna, Castiel, Gabriel, etc; they probably would have accepted Gadriel either way even if he hadn't said he was 'Ezekiel'.)
JKayification Yeah that's a good point, although I can't help but feel it was planned by Gadriel to take the identity of an angel that they didn't know and conveniently dead. This assured him that his identity would never be compromised since no one would be there to tell them otherwise (since Dean was to keep it a secret from everyone). If he had used the identity of one of the other more well known and trusted angels that Dean and Sam knew already, there was a chance the real angel would have seeked out the Winchesters and blown his cover. So it was probably more strategic to not use the identity of an alive angel that also had a potential to visit them. That would have been a bad facade to pick. And on your point about the Winchesters would have probably trusted the rebellious angel, I think at a certain point you might have been right, but in their current predicament at the time they were highly skeptical and cautious with who they befriended. I'm not sure they would have trusted this ex-convict so to speak. Not only that, but there's no way Gadriel would have known the Winchesters were friendly towards other angels in certain situations. So with limited knowledge about people who you know are on high alert, it's probably best to not just assume those people are nice and accepting of imprisoned angels; since most people aren't.
God would never intervene with his angel's since most of them still didn't get his message. They were told long ago that all they need to do is love the humans, but instead, they were too busy arguing and planning the apocalypse -.-
rene kenshin Again, you are wrong. Apocalypse was planned from very beginning. God is Omniscience. He knows everything past ,present and future. He knows where everything is and how everything will play out in whatever direction or multiverse it takes.
rene kenshin What are you not understanding? *EVERYTHING* *WAS* *PLANNED* *OUT* God SEALED it and God planned on them releasing it. Doesn't take a genius to figure this out bud.
When Dean was about to tear up instead of Sam, that was very moving. After this he has lost hope and has resigned to saying yes to Michael. Especially after Pamela talked to him.
BeyoTheQ like i said, we don't know but that's the best thing we have to go on considering Eve was a mutated leviathan and Leviathans are older than Angels themselves.
Honestly I don't blame God how can he make free will happen if he fixes all the Winchesters' problems shame on you dean for expecting him to fix what you and Sam caused.
The best and terrible thing about this scene was that at the time of this episode Castiel was still God. It's only after this does the rewrite happen where Cas is just another Angel. Hint: Cas is the only Angel who calls himself an 'Angel of the Lord' in Seasons 4 & 5. Man, I love Supernatural, but the original plan would've been cool too. P. S. Joshua dies in Season 12.
Is there such a thing as a "black preacher" voice? I've noticed it with many tv character's now. Also this scene just showed to the max how self-righteous and diva-esque god is in this show.
I think god is playing the role of a parent believing in his children, your kids will never grow as people or learn to take care of themselves if you hold their hands and do everything for them for the rest of their lives, great heroes like Sam and Dean would never exist if God sorted it all him self.
Benjamin Edwards Still one of many mysteries of the universe - why God created so many kind of children? I am not saying about aliens what Death suggests they exist but..first Leviathans, then ..Eve? than archangels, then angels and then humans. Is it really fascinating subject - what generations of his children God values at most
Benjamin Edwards The problem is that God himself would have created that dynamic - the inescapable truth that children cannot learn if you hold their hands throughout every problem they have. So, one must ask, "Why?" But, like the gardener said, you could drive yourself insane with those kinds of questions. Because, of course, it's likely you'll never get answers.
This scene perfectly represents the perversion of the later seasons of SPN. Kripke knew how to construct the series, frame it, and knew the characters he'd created. God as he's presented here has subtlety and nuance to his character, he isn't thrust in your face, but acts more as a gentle guiding hand, his thoughts unknowable to us. That sense of mystery is essential to his character. Compare that to Season 11, where "LOOK AT HOW GOD CHUCK IS!!!!" is the norm. The writers have no talent or understanding of the characters either. Sam and Dean went from being an incredibly complex deconstruction of masculinity to being the hollowed out Tumblr versions of themselves, existing only to generate fangirl squeals and meme gifs. The writers know they have no talent, and are now just appealing to teenage girls because, and I say this with respect, they have the lowest standards for entertainment. Like Twilight, SPN now exists as a kind of emotional pornography for them, where everything is an excuse to generate 'feels'. Basically the show is a shambling zombie on a network completely devoid of quality, and it needs to be put down. At least we'll always have the first five seasons (and I mean, seasons 1 and 2 weren't all that great either, but at least they were true to the characters and had some great highlights).
+IAMALEX He simply felt that He had to step back from His creations after being unable to do any good for them He felt and then He just got tired of everything.
+IAMALEX you mean that horrible fan-fiction of an episode that was so obvious, a freshman high schooler could have written it? Unless Eric Kripke himself comes back and writes for Supernatural, none of the BS from Season 6 to 11 is truly canon. Supernatural was a 5 year plan and show.
For what it's worth, I think there is a case for Season 6 as a "natural end point' beyond which everything after is non-canon. The writers weren't allowed to follow the proper plan (a Godstiel season, which would definitely have been worth watching), the Season 6 finale was Kripke's idea, and there are too many good episodes (French Mistake etc) that you lose if you cut Season 6 out.
I liked this guy Joshua. He's one of the few angels on the show who isn't a jerk. Why don't they have him make a return appearance?
I Also Feel that He Should come back as a Angel to Help out Sam & Dean,Joshua that Is///
Maybe he'll make a return at some point.
he did for about 3 seconds......then he got killed.
Rachel Sheppard you must’ve missed the part where they killed him
これを食べて Eat this that shit pissed me off
"Why does he allow evil in the first place?" Well now we know. It makes for a great story starring his two favorite characters.
@Manuel Castro You don't have to even destroy the concept of evil. For example, when someone who's trying to stab children, stop him at the last moment and smite him. Like, let people make their choices, give them second chances if you want to, but if they step out of line too much, destroy them. Like, why would God imprison Lucifer instead of just putting him to sleep forever? Or try to rehabilitate him? Smh
@@eliasbali4140 because he doesn’t exist. Believing in God just gives people comfort
@@MrPancake777 That's the most probable option.
@@MrPancake777 in this fictional show he certainly exists...so maybe you're on the wrong video. This is a TV show
LOL
They got great actor for Joshua
And this whole scene has such meaning
“I’m rooting for you boys”
he's also the guy who voiced Achiles Davenport in Assassins creed 3.
@@akbarlakhani6624 wow I didnt know that. That is awesome
@@akbarlakhani6624 holy shit i knew he sounded familiar
He was on the show The District and amazing.
"Fire me if you want, but you know how He is with that whole Wrath thing" Always gets me
lol ditto
Joshua: "Fire me if you want, but you know how He is with that whole Wrath thing"
Zakariah: "Pardon me, I need to leave and change my underpants"
.....omg this makes so much more sense after the recent season finale
@@geektabulous1355 To be fair. God was the enemy here. I dont agree what he did in this show.
@@Sulexar I think that God made us in His image,and since day 1 our ancestors were on the Garden all they did was screw things up from the first trial. Then on Earth we have brought the planet to the edge of destruction. I think God is tired watching His creations fail over and over again.
"Fire me if you want, but eventually the boss will come back home. And you know how he is with that whole 'wrath' thing..." Most badass line ever uttered by the holy host.
I don't know why, but I love this guy's shakey voice.
"This time, God wants you, to remember....."
Powerful stuff.
I was just thinking that..what does he mean 'this time'?
That wasn't the first time Dean and Sam have died.
@@cinnamonhunter617Sam died in season 2 but dean brought him back but Sam had no recollection of dying so he don’t remember heaven
Dean also@@redhood444
This is actually a very sweet scene. When Joshua says he can sympathize with God and that he gets lonely. This is a very interesting scene, saddening as well.
yeah I agree with you :(
IamNumb432 That would imply also that God doesn't talk even to Death. Intresting concept also when you remember movie "God's Army" when Gabriel says "He doesn't talk to me anymore"
Joahua is god.ive been saying it sense that scene aired.superfans just think about all joshuas time when he shows up and what he says.and hes on noones side.joshua is god prob find out in few weeks
Jason Hicks but didn’t Joshua get killed off at the entrance of heaven by that one prince of hell or something? I haven’t watched the last couple of seasons tho
Until you find out how much of an a$$ hat god is in later seasons.
"I wish I could do more to help you. But I just trimmed the hedges."
-Joshua, the Sass of God
No Man God is glorious and grand
God is lawful and righteousness his works sparks creation and his silence shakes the universe. Pay him the proper respect
@@overhaul-2428 God is a kid with a magnifying glass, burning ants.
Scott W Pilgrim You’ll realize one day how your mockings were not worth the few who laugh.
@@overhaul-2428 and you’ll realize one day that you didn’t understand that reference
I always thought this was God, pretending to be an Angel named Joshua...
That would be good twist for the series finale.
Pretty sure he's supposed to be Jesus
@Manuel Castro in season 11 he came back white angel and kill by Dragon.
he is suppose to be jesus which is why he is brown
jesus/yahshua/joshua it’s the same name
Anyone else miss this format and colour of the show ?
+Tupac Amaru Shakur Everybody misses the sheer awesomeness and spectacle of Supernatural Seasons 1 to 5.
Seasons 6 to 11 is sheer dogshit on a stick.
+2Good2BeTrue45 yeah exactly ... It should have ended after season 5 ... They have completely wrecked the show with the stupid God vs AMARA storyline like damn man
The format and colour of Season 1-5 fits Season 11 the most. It's the Darkness so a darker filter would suffice.
+Heisenberg didn't the original writers come back in s8-11?
elisabeth moss nope, they never did
Man i miss oldschool Supernatural, the format the colors, The STORY! truely amazing show.
Been doing some runs down memory lane , stumbled upon this video.
If you're still watching , and you saw SE 14 Finale , do you still believe what you said ? ^^
@@kotsiosraf The show was amazing, now its on life support and they are finally gonna pull the plug.
I do too new supernatural is just cringe
The S15 finale is so dumb like how are you gonna outsmart God? Makes 0 sense
.... "I just trim the hedges..."... yeah, writing was so much better back then.. just lots of relevant dialogue, emotion, etc
All-in-All No Shit, Sherlock. Can't believe you stuck that long. I stopped at S6 ep 2.
All-in-All well it’s tough when you have a show running for 15 years
Seasons 8-15 have actually been really good though.
@@konnorpalmer8676 agreed
"Welcome to the Brotherhood, Winchesters!" I love how Joshua is Achilles from Assassin's Creed lll :')
***** he also does the voice of the scientists in dying light game
Hahaha same here when I first heard his voice it just didn't come to me until I had to start thinking of all the character's in the games name
Yup
How is everything connected nowadays like they are worlds apart but man that's awesome
@BLACK DEATH I see you on every god damn comment on here man, shut the fuck up with your racist nonsense. If god said black people were cursed, or if black people were even originally mentioned in the bible then Europeans would've already known that they existed. That's probably just some retarded BS added in by slavers. This stupid ass nonsense you're spouting is just lies. It's a scientific fact that humans started off with black skin, caused by melanin, not some fucking curse you dipshit.
Back when not all Angels were bloodthirsty monsters. Nowadays, EVERYONE not affiliated with the Winchesters is evil: Angels, Archangels, God, the Mailman, etc. 🙄
Right but it was all Chuck's stories.
To be fair Royal Mail are the stuff of evil because they never leave your parcels in decent places or they send your parcels back to the fkn Post office if you're not in lol
"I just trim the hedges" :D A phrase full of meaning
YES IT MEAN HE TRIMS THE HEDGES!
@@lordeden2732and we, the believer must do the rest of the work..
hes described as a 'gardener', talks to god, and his name is close to the name jeshua which is the historically accurate name of jesus. *coughs*
so what you are saying is in this case...Jesus is black.
Joshua.
Makes no sense considering how that is just a VESSEL and angels dont have human form...
Daweights23 C Of course he's black Read Revaluations
Yeshua
Joshua
Yeah it does sound like it
The voice of Achilles from Assassin's Creed 3!
Love him!
I love how they treated the God character like a mafia boss.
I hope Joshua survived the fall & we see him again in season 10
It'd be awesome to see him garden just on earth. Lol
Alexandru De Gelder Yea, Cain had his Bee's. Joshua can just be somewhere living it out, gardening all day. feels good.
Hope nothing bad happened to Joshua too.... he's too humble to deserve any kind of trouble!
+nowookiee Now I'm just wondering wtf would happen with bee-obsessed cas and cain would do at that moment when dean and cain meets up.
BTW, cain was trained by lucifer and cas was like mindfucked by lucifer and both of them like bees. I mean seriously what's up with lucifer and bees.
I got bad news for you guys.
Crazy how the writers have been giving clues on the ending long time ago.
off topic but you're beautiful
@@broncos8664 Thanks@
you're welcome angel eyes
@@broncos8664 youre right.i just rewatched s5 and it had a couple clues even in the beginning they mention that one might have to kill the other
The true ending of the show was season 5.
The hack writers of seasons 6 to 15 had no idea how to end the show, mostly due to the fact the writers changed every year after Kripke left after Season 5. The only reason the show tried to echo the earlier seasons is because they completely lost the plot of the show and tried to cobble together an ending, which didn't work and was still shit.
I think its even more scarier to hear from someones who is good that nothing can be done
"Fire me if you want, but someday the Boss is going to come back. . .
And you know how he is with that whole. . . . . .Wrath thing."
OOoooo .. Such a great delivery! (total props to the actor)
(humble, soft-spoken & weak [by angel standards] little Joshua.
but DAMN can that mouse Roar!)
Its a popular opinion but earlier seasons were definitely better! In terms of plot, cinematography, characters and def actors. Went badly after season 8 (i do like the purgatory story line).
I actually think, that the seasons got better again after season 9, but yeah the first seasons (including 6&7 in my opinion) were the best, though the ending in season 15 was also pretty awsome
At least someone is finally talking sense.
Eric Kripke said Seasons 1 - 5 is the definitive story of Supernatural and was how he ended the story. Seasons 6 to 15 is a creation that was not his and therefore is BS fanfiction.
The brothers went from averting the apocalypse due to their own sheer force of will, love and courage (as well as help from God) to do the impossible and save the world, to the horrible and abysmal season 15 ending where a cosmic entity had to bail them out (as well as that entity being literally the anti christ and the anti christ being the new God of the world but because he was raised by Dean, Sam and Castiel, he will be a good God......wtf?!)
Nobody with a functional brain, a pulse and common sense can say seasons 1 - 5 and Seasons 6 to 15 is even the same show at all. This is a prime example of why show NEEDS TO END when it comes to a natural conclusion, not be continued just for the sake of money, comfort and because fans have a hard time letting go. All the best shows have a proper lifespan and many of them are short or at least have an ending they planned from the beginning, never deviated from that plan and didn't extend it out of greed
You're absolutely correct. The first 5 seasons are the golden years. A solid steady plot with continual buildup, while throwing in the 'monster of the week'. The cinematography had movie style closeups with subtle music. Minor characters had stories the audience could relate. No smart phones being used by the boys or demons, which cheapens the feel. A particular part of Supernatural that I look back and miss is Bobby's house. All the guys sitting around with a beer, researching and plotting their next moves. You lose that feel in the later seasons.
Not one bad season. Not even one bad EPISODE of SuperNatural!!!! The greatest show ever !!!!
It all went downhill after season 7 IMO
If only they had listen to Joshua. This was a major turning point in the series. This was a warning, God isn't your dad, he is isn't your saviour. He is a gardener. He tends to his garden if wants to keep it, but he naturally lets it do its thing. He doesn't try to control he lets it be. Whether you like it or not, he sees us as plants, not living things with choices.
Oh he sees us as having choices, but when they're not what he wants...then there's the whole "wrath thing" or else he simply ignores it.
Anyone else get the feeling that the real reason God didn't intervene had less to do with Him not caring and more to do with Him trusting Sam, Dean, and Castiel to be able to take care of it?
Thats a sweet way of looking at it but i dont think so
Alexandros Petrou Well, I mean even Joshua himself said that God had already intervened somewhat by teleporting Sam and Dean onto that plane to get them out of danger and bringing Cass back from the dead. That makes it sound to me as though He cared at least a little bit.
Oh he did and he probably does care.but only because its probably something that the show has purposefully(for the obvious reasons) let "roam around" as a rumor,if u know what i mean.Cuz it helps the story to keep going forward and actually make some sense,cuz lets face it there is no other logical interpretation as to why God would "help them" one way or another anyway rather than the reason the writers put it there,which is for the story to progress
Alexandros Petrou True. Still, one of the things that makes stories fun for me is to be able to analyze them.
Sometimes tho it takes all the magic away,cuz ive caught myself realizing the loopholes :D ;-; Im sure everybody and u2 have done the same sometime
Joshua needs a comeback in Season 11.
+franz he really needs to
+franz Hell NO! they would make a mockery of him with the crap writing team they have now.
Supernatural will never be like this again, just have to accept it.
2Good2BeTrue45 Guess you're right. The show itself only goes on to please the fans and it's become pretty corny, although I'll keep watching it till the end.
he is back now :)
He certaintly is!!
i'd like to see joshua again
well...you just killed him
Well, if Chuck is God, then he already wrote this story and already knows how it ends, doesn't make sense to interfere if you know things are in the right hands.
Well he said it was bc he was "disappointed" at humanity and everybody.
Seems like he was in the process of writing, but only his own story. "In the beginning, there was me." X'D
The first draft sucked according to Metatron, but his later draft seemed better. I don't think he writes the future bc he didn't expect what happened at the end of season 11.
according to who? The angels? Like theyre infallible
Dudes a prick
Is somebody gonna tell him or do I gotta do it...
Its like a tv show for him. He entertains himself by watching those people suffer and live their lives. What a jerk.
I love the fact that Zachariah seems...uneasy here considering that Joshua is "just the gardener" not necessarily scared but definitely uneasy
because he is jesus in the show
All I know, is that if God tells u to "Back off", that means BACK OFF.
This was one of the first sign that Chuck was never on their side. He just enjoy the show.
God is depressed that he's God. He's omnipotent and it's driven him crazy.
I just hope they still make god omnipotent in season 15. Him being beaten just ruins the whole omnipotent thing. Sure omnipotent means he can lose, but it also means he can win at the same time.
@@rudys.artous5477 Him being "beaten" was part of the story he made up, none of it was real
@@ryuk8534 holy shit that makes sense.
We don't know that.
It's entirely plausible, consistent with the narrative, and a better story, that Chuck pits Sam and Dean against monsters for fun, then intervenes when they come up against actual threats where they need his help, like Lucifer and the Darkness.
I don't believe Chuck is or ever has been omnipotent. He has the power to create, to destroy, and to see. That doesn't mean he has, or is capable of having, the power to control his creation.
@@rtozier2011 that means hes not omnipotent at all. Whatever goes to the writer i really dont care anymore at this moment.
Joshua: why does he allow evil in the first place you can drive yourself nuts just thinking about it
Season 11: guess we now know why he allowed it
The big problem with having an omnipotent person in any fictional franchise is, either that person is lying about the omnipotence, or it's just the author. The author alone is omnipotent.
Loved this whole episode. Was back watching this the other night. Love the gardening references in this!.
Back then when supernatural was relevant and interesting...
Makes me sad Joshua had such a whimper of a death in season 12!
He dies in 12 what?
Hes not dead u will see in episode 7 season 15
@@jasonhicks916 Where? didn't see him
When Joshua said Dean couldn't kill the Devil Dean proved him wrong 8 years later
god is like, oh let the kids have this world, if they break it they don't get another one.
Well God confirmed all Chuck said here and more: He did save the Winchesters several times and he resurrected Castiel too a bunch of times. He actually said that "I've rebuilt Castiel more times than I can remember and look where that's gotten Me!!!" Which actually suggests to me that God has resurrected Cas more than the three times we know of.
he never said why he remade castiel and the worse part after that,Castiel never had a private screen time with God after Lucifer was expelled
I agree about the private screen time thing but he did say he brought Cas back to help them. He responded to Metatron about having helped the Winchesters by saying something about having saved them followed by the line about how many times he's resurrected Cas.
I don't think there is any reason to believe that god brought back Castiel more times than we have seen
God told Metatron that he's resurrected Cas more times than he can remember. We only know of 3. Surely if it was just 3 he would've remembered that.
WarGrowlmon18 I think that's overthinking it. Joshua also said that it was more than God has intervened in a long time. Reviving Castiel 3 times is probably plenty for him. And if Castiel ever died, I feel like we would know about it
This guy was such a good actor, the look he conveyed when Dean says "Forget it, just another deadbeat dad with a bunch of excuses right"
"My hearth is breaking for him "D.W.
3:30 Pretty much how he turned out in season 11. At least in these earlier seasons you could've given god the benefit of a doubt and wrote off that Dean was just projecting.
He's the voice actor for dr zere from dying light
Ohh, thanks! That's where I recognised the voice from. I was so clueless for a second as to how I knew the actor's voice.
When he said, "God wants you to remember." I figured out that God really helped. It's just a test for them.
you:
Me after watching the season 14 finale: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
"Wouldn't lie about this! Look, fire me if you want. Sooner or later, He's going to come back home, and you know how He is with that whole wrath thing."
Not fucking around is he?
I loved this scene. it's sincere to what I believe God would say. The grand being who created all of this and is one of the oldest beings in creation saying "Hey this is not my responsibility. Fix your own problems and stop looking to me". Angels, demons, and humans are responsible for all this. Yes god made them but they caused the apocalypse. Why should he step in? If they want to save the world they need to take responsibility and fix it and god knows they can. He's already helped more than once. Probably out of guilt but now he's done. Death kept helping them out and look where it got him.
+supernaturalawesome1 True point right there.
Well, let's take a look at God's greatest hits, as Dean might put it.
1) He creates a universe with pretty much no life except for Earth and maybe, possibly, some alien worlds light-years away. Already, extremely inefficient use of space.
2) He creates the Leviathans, somehow not knowing or predicting ahead of time that they would want to destroy his whole creation, and then simply creates Purgatory and locks them in there instead of just destroying or taming them. And don't tell me that Chuck is too incompetent for that; unless the Leviathans started to actually eat their way out of the pages of his book, there is no reason that he couldn't just destroy them by writing, "And then the Leviathans were no more", or taming them with, "And then the Leviathans were cuter than kittens."
3) He gives the Mark of Cain to Lucifer, being somehow unable to predict that it would corrupt Lucifer's judgment and mind, and that Lucifer's corruption could lead to an eventual fight that would devastate Earth.
4) He forces Michael to throw his own brother into a place of eternal torment just for refusing to worship humans more than the god that created them, and demanding an explanation for why God would ask such a thing.
5) He leaves, with no explanation or instructions, and will probably stay gone until the end of season 11 or so. In total, he will have been physically gone for billions of years, doing who knows what, abandoning a world of lesser beings to figure things out on their own, both peacefully and violently.
These are literally the direct catalysts of the Apocalypse. God is directly responsible for all of them. How can anyone else be told to solve their own problems if God is capable of solving them infinitely better?
Just look at how the Apocalypse was averted without God. Sam is forced to go into the Cage with Lucifer, Michael, and Adam, only for a soulless shell to be brought back to endanger everyone and a seriously damaged soul to only come back after half a season. Not to mention Dean's year of grief or the fact that Adam's soul is still in there and probably damaged beyond repair at this point from the torture. Plus, probably various innocent deaths caused by the start of the Apocalypse throughout season 5.
Is that a better solution than Chuck simply writing, "And then everyone lived happily ever after"?
+supernaturalawesome1 who is joshua
+supernaturalawesome1 yea one would think death would expect that i swear.
A Johnson Pros of Dean's situation: sex, a normal life, and alcohol. Cons: emotional repression, nightmares, and literally no family left.
Sounds awesome.
3:19 some gods just want to watch the world burn
Alexandre Boucher there is a difference between wanting to see it burn and not giving a fuck if it does.
+Carbon Bonds (HCN) It was a quote from the movie Batman the Dark Knight, by Alfred.
Something people quote too much in the wrong context to be funny when really they're no better than parrots.
chuck wants to watch the world burn lol
Chuck(God) wants the demons and Angels to fix their problems. The reason why he didn't want to interfere was because he knew Sam, Dean, castiel, and Bobby would end the apocalypse in time and it makes sense that God resurrected castiel and took Sam and Dean from the presence of lucifer. In a way he used Sam, Dean, Castiel and Bobby to do his work
"God works in mysterious ways"
"why does he allow evil in the first place?" the answer was more simple than we thought : because he is evil...
why is he evil? he is GOD ffs
he nto eivl rmeber he told you god not nci when in wearth mode weath eman god is pissed noah flahs was tirm when god was angey he to eivl and ever sman psit him of hwen eh try to shot him
wight tlel end f seoan 15 when they say sipie god was jsut testin them all tot give them the great ending they wanted
If god is all powerful he can't be all good if he is all good he can't be all powerful
I mean Chuck is evil but allowing evil for an all powerful good probably has more to do with allowing free-will and not being a tyrant.
"These spirits of yours have been harassing the assassins for centuries ever since ezio uncorked the bottle"
Waiting patiently for Joshua to show himself in S9. Or it's entirely possible he wasn't ejected as he's the "keeper" of the throne room. There's gotta be at least one place in Heaven where God's got no funny business going on, where his Children can't run a muck like us.
I hope he shows up too. I think he should have been used in Season 9 instead of Ezekiel to strengthen that plot twist.
JKayification meh I don't think that would have been a very good plot twist. If Joshua was evil then his message to the Winchesters would have come into serious question about it's legitimacy. Plus he's the one in direct contact with god, and I'd think he would be the one person who'd be able to tell someone's true nature effectively.
Scott Morales No, I don't mean that Joshua should have been evil, but it would have been more of a twist if they thought that Joshua was the one who was with them (since he is an angel that they know and would trust) and then it turns out to be Gadriel (or whoever).
The way it is now, neither of the Winchesters knew who Ezekiel or Gadriel were. So when the storyline was all, "Aha, that random angel that you've never seen or heard of before is actually a *different* random angel that you've never seen or heard of before," it had less impact because we didn't have a specific reason to care about the difference between them. (I know, I know, they said that Gadriel was in prison but most of the angels that the boys work with are fallen/rebelled against Heaven -- Anna, Castiel, Gabriel, etc; they probably would have accepted Gadriel either way even if he hadn't said he was 'Ezekiel'.)
JKayification Yeah that's a good point, although I can't help but feel it was planned by Gadriel to take the identity of an angel that they didn't know and conveniently dead. This assured him that his identity would never be compromised since no one would be there to tell them otherwise (since Dean was to keep it a secret from everyone).
If he had used the identity of one of the other more well known and trusted angels that Dean and Sam knew already, there was a chance the real angel would have seeked out the Winchesters and blown his cover. So it was probably more strategic to not use the identity of an alive angel that also had a potential to visit them. That would have been a bad facade to pick.
And on your point about the Winchesters would have probably trusted the rebellious angel, I think at a certain point you might have been right, but in their current predicament at the time they were highly skeptical and cautious with who they befriended. I'm not sure they would have trusted this ex-convict so to speak. Not only that, but there's no way Gadriel would have known the Winchesters were friendly towards other angels in certain situations. So with limited knowledge about people who you know are on high alert, it's probably best to not just assume those people are nice and accepting of imprisoned angels; since most people aren't.
are you satified 5 years later with still no josh
Joshua deserved to live and not die so suddenly in season 12.
God I love how everything was it *mystery* ... (at this point I truly believe the reaper can reap God himself)
He said he would when he first met Dean lol
I love how Joshua tells Dean he cant kill the devil then later on XD
God would never intervene with his angel's since most of them still didn't get his message. They were told long ago that all they need to do is love the humans, but instead, they were too busy arguing and planning the apocalypse -.-
rene kenshin actually god planned the apocalypse.
Carbon Bonds No, after the flood he promised not to eradicate mankind ever again. It was his angels, who's boredom makes them do stupid things
rene kenshin
Again, you are wrong. Apocalypse was planned from very beginning.
God is Omniscience. He knows everything past ,present and future. He knows where everything is and how everything will play out in whatever direction or multiverse it takes.
Carbon Bonds Nah that's why it was sealed off, God didn't trigger it so it's not planned at all
rene kenshin
What are you not understanding? *EVERYTHING* *WAS* *PLANNED* *OUT*
God SEALED it and God planned on them releasing it. Doesn't take a genius to figure this out bud.
When Dean was about to tear up instead of Sam, that was very moving. After this he has lost hope and has resigned to saying yes to Michael. Especially after Pamela talked to him.
"You can't kill the Devil"
Lol wait till Season 13
after watching the season finale, i know about that whole wrath thing
2:16 Oh!My heart's breaking for him =))))))
Fun fact, Dean did kill the Devil. Eventually.
Achilles from Assassin's Creed III
good ear
Holy shit!!
This is the REAL GOD hiding in plain sight pretending to be someone else.
You know it's real when God tells you to back tf off
+ASaiyanNamedMalcolm "Pack off"
From what tho?
All they did was running from monsters not towards them 😂
Is it possible that Joshua is in fact Jesus?
BeyoTheQ no, Eve stated that Jesus was just a regular man but we don't know for sure who he is or what he is.
Carbon Bonds This could be deception or Eve didn't have full knowledge :)
BeyoTheQ
like i said, we don't know but that's the best thing we have to go on considering Eve was a mutated leviathan and Leviathans are older than Angels themselves.
Jesus = Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name "Yeshua" or "Yehoshua", so...possibly.
Mr. Schechter Well, the way Jesus sounds in greek or hebrew (sorry i forgot) sounds very much like Joshua so maybe
Honestly I don't blame God how can he make free will happen if he fixes all the Winchesters' problems shame on you dean for expecting him to fix what you and Sam caused.
Joshua's right! You can drive yourself crazy asking that question!
My three favorite angels. Castiel, Gabriel, Joshua 😇😇😇
The fear of sooner or later when u have enuff time lol
Knew after this scene God was gonna be the bad guy! 👏🏾👏🏾
Hes not like the bad bad guy, but he doesn't want to help. He needs to be replaced 😇
Im rooting for Sammy
i hope we will see him as a one of fallen angels on earth. Meets brothers again.
these moments have to come back in season 11
R.I.p Joshua
Oh my god, Achilles from AC3!!
INSIEME PER LA VITTORIA!
wow it is!!!!
Joshua (to Dean): "In your haste to save the world, boy - take care you don't destroy it!"
I love how they had the voice of AC3 Achilles to be god gardener
The best and terrible thing about this scene was that at the time of this episode Castiel was still God. It's only after this does the rewrite happen where Cas is just another Angel. Hint: Cas is the only Angel who calls himself an 'Angel of the Lord' in Seasons 4 & 5. Man, I love Supernatural, but the original plan would've been cool too.
P. S. Joshua dies in Season 12.
may I ask you where you got the information that castiel was God? I really wanna know
@@여해-q5h they made that up
Btw Joshua is Roger Aaron brown he also the voice for Achilles Davenport who trained Connor assassins creed 3
He's Rafiki, no doubt about it, that angel is friggin Rafiki
I like this Joshua much better than the later version
Is there such a thing as a "black preacher" voice? I've noticed it with many tv character's now. Also this scene just showed to the max how self-righteous and diva-esque god is in this show.
"I just trim the hedges" as in he's just a gardener
I think the final season will be the hunt for God.
for some reason, i keep thinking with.. not for..
dude literally said "go f**k yourselves" to his bosses and got away with it
holy fuck! is that the voice of winnie the pooh??
+jesshutchy lol he does sound like Pooh Bear.
I have a lot of respect for Joshua, especially when compared to other Angels
I think god is playing the role of a parent believing in his children, your kids will never grow as people or learn to take care of themselves if you hold their hands and do everything for them for the rest of their lives, great heroes like Sam and Dean would never exist if God sorted it all him self.
Benjamin Edwards Still one of many mysteries of the universe - why God created so many kind of children? I am not saying about aliens what Death suggests they exist but..first Leviathans, then ..Eve? than archangels, then angels and then humans. Is it really fascinating subject - what generations of his children God values at most
Well like any parent you don't have a favourite or at least try not to.
But some children may be better in face of the father :D
What I'm saying is that most parents will at least try to love all of their children equally, even the difficult ones.
Benjamin Edwards The problem is that God himself would have created that dynamic - the inescapable truth that children cannot learn if you hold their hands throughout every problem they have. So, one must ask, "Why?"
But, like the gardener said, you could drive yourself insane with those kinds of questions. Because, of course, it's likely you'll never get answers.
Joshua- "Sam, Dean you should also know I'm an assassin of an ancient order
Clearly Sam and Dean should've found Station so they could make Good Robot Sam and Dean.
Dean and Sam Vs Men of Letter's this will be good
This scene perfectly represents the perversion of the later seasons of SPN. Kripke knew how to construct the series, frame it, and knew the characters he'd created. God as he's presented here has subtlety and nuance to his character, he isn't thrust in your face, but acts more as a gentle guiding hand, his thoughts unknowable to us. That sense of mystery is essential to his character.
Compare that to Season 11, where "LOOK AT HOW GOD CHUCK IS!!!!" is the norm. The writers have no talent or understanding of the characters either. Sam and Dean went from being an incredibly complex deconstruction of masculinity to being the hollowed out Tumblr versions of themselves, existing only to generate fangirl squeals and meme gifs.
The writers know they have no talent, and are now just appealing to teenage girls because, and I say this with respect, they have the lowest standards for entertainment. Like Twilight, SPN now exists as a kind of emotional pornography for them, where everything is an excuse to generate 'feels'.
Basically the show is a shambling zombie on a network completely devoid of quality, and it needs to be put down. At least we'll always have the first five seasons (and I mean, seasons 1 and 2 weren't all that great either, but at least they were true to the characters and had some great highlights).
/Facts
IT'S FINALLY DYING FAM.
I missed that version of God, mysterious and caring. I hated the way He ended
Does anyone have the link where Zachariah goes Lucifer's strong but i'm petty
idk y but this joshua is the scariest one in this show
Is he Achilles' voice actor from AC3?
When supernatural was still nice
"Some men just want to watch the world burn..."
Well apparently god is one of them lol
Man, Joshua was right that God would bring wrath, wow. Mind blown
After last week's episode, now we know how chuck/god felt about the world. He wanted to let everything burn.
+IAMALEX He simply felt that He had to step back from His creations after being unable to do any good for them He felt and then He just got tired of everything.
+IAMALEX you mean that horrible fan-fiction of an episode that was so obvious, a freshman high schooler could have written it?
Unless Eric Kripke himself comes back and writes for Supernatural, none of the BS from Season 6 to 11 is truly canon. Supernatural was a 5 year plan and show.
Chuck loves his creations, but he knew he couldn't truly change them.
He didn't have to change them, just teach them a way to solve their own problems. Too bad he's so tautological it makes him incompetent.
For what it's worth, I think there is a case for Season 6 as a "natural end point' beyond which everything after is non-canon. The writers weren't allowed to follow the proper plan (a Godstiel season, which would definitely have been worth watching), the Season 6 finale was Kripke's idea, and there are too many good episodes (French Mistake etc) that you lose if you cut Season 6 out.
Joshua: You can't kill the devil.
Years later, Dean kills the devil.
Months later, devil is back