I was glad to see a video with the comparison of the native Lippia with Kurapia -- you mentioned many aspects that are very similar (height, leaf shape, color) but you didn't mention one of the big differences: since Kurapia is the sterile cultivar of the native plant, Kurapia produces no seeds, where the native flower produces many. I'm wondering how much of a difference that makes in terms of it's invasiveness. Both spread by underground runners of course, but does the seed produced by the native plant mean that Lippia will be popping up all over my garden and become a nuisance elsewhere? And are there other differences we should know about, to help make a decision between the two? I've heard that cold tolerance is somewhat different, as well as "self-healing" properties. And what about longevity? I'd hate to spend thousands of dollars on plant material if it's going to die out in 3 years! Thank you!
My thoughts exactly. I'm still unclear on the differences and why you would choose one over, maybe it's just that Kurapia is sterile like you suggested? IDK
Hi, I know your post is a year old, so I am wondering if you chose a ground cover, and if so, did you go with either of these? I have read that Phyla Nodiflora (the CA native) is relatively easy to remove from areas it’s not wanted, so I expect that even if it pops up from seed in a garden bed or something, it is easily able to be removed (or maybe even moved to a spot where it’s needed as turf). And that it can be edged to contain it to the area where it belongs? I’ve seen some that use it as a living mulch in beds to suppress weeds, as opposed to using it like a lawn or turf. I’m in CA and planning to use it around flagstones as a step-able living mulch - we are replacing most of our previous lawn area with beds for roses, lavender, native wildflowers and flowering shrubs for pollinators, and added a lemon tree. But a lawn is a large empty space that’s hard to make enjoyable without structure, so first business was a new pathway across the front garden to better access the side yard and driveway, and there’s a more informal path of stepping stones around the tree so the flower beds can be accessed. There’s room for more structure; maybe a garden bench, maybe a small water feature for pollinators or birds, but I though that around the pathways would be the perfect place to add some low-growing green plants that will help keep the house and garden cooler, less dry looking, and keep the dirt and dust down. Elfin thyme is very popular here, so is dymondia, but I wanted to prioritize a native plant first, if one was suitable, even if I incorporate some sections of other “step-ables”. For me, if it pops up in other bed as a “weed” but it’s a native plant, especially one that benefits pollinators, it’s way less of a big deal to me than the non-natives doing the same. Also, I’ve spent the last year battling bermuda grass (at one point, the whole lawn must have been bermuda) and it’s a complete menace. No plant that reseeds itself could be worse than bermuda’s deep rhizomes, where the tiniest chunk left behind or the deepest root with no light and water comes back from the dead repeatedly- it’s like the Hydra, growing more heads as you cut them off!
Very helpful video. Could you please post photos of completely covered areas of Kurapia and native Lippia grown adjacently ideally in flower? I have an area planted with Kurapia sod but am considering planting native Lippia next to it. Thanks.
Hello, Just watched this video. Very informative. Does Lippia spread (like St. Augustine, Bermuda grasses or ivy)? Or does each plant max out at a certain radius? Thanks!
Question: if I install plugs on bare ground, can I apply a pre-emergent herbicide until the plugs cover the bare spots? If yes, which pre-emergent herbicides are compatible?
Same plant no difference. Only differences that could be worth considering is kurapia is sterile, and gives the option of a pink variety. Otherwise your only paying for a name.
@@BryceGarling Thank you! Very helpful! I am in the process of converting my lawn and have decided to go with frog fruit and this question has continued to nag at me! You’ve helped reassure me that I made the right choice.
Maybe I missed it, but are both these plants drought resistant? Also how quickly do they grow to cover an area? Are they both available in sod form? Thank you!
Hi Michelle! Yes, both plants are highly drought tolerant. The rate of how quickly they'd cover and area varies based on multiple factors but anywhere between a few weeks to a couple of months for full coverage. The native Lippia is currently available in plug form and we have Kurapia in sod form only.
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I've seen in some videos that lippia actually goes dormand and ugly in winter. is this true? i would prefer lippia to kurapia if not the case. thanks!
Can I successfully grow CA Native Lippia or Kurapia in a yard with two medium size dogs who will run, poop and pee on it? Will it stop growing in certain areas due to the traffic or the dogs relieving themselves on it? Will the waste turn the cover brown or yellow? If these two ground covers won’t meet my needs, can you recommend something else that is drought tolerant? Thanks.
I've heard kurapia is hardy and pets cause no issue to it other than if they dig in it but what plant or grass wouldn't be effected by digging? This video is the first I've heard of the lippia so don't know much about it but I'm curious from an above comment about its seed producing and if that will cause it to grow everywhere in the yard being spread by wind or birds or from trimming edging ect. Please share anything you have discovered thanks cheers
So basically there is only one difference. You can plant the native for cheap and free, or you can pay massive amounts because someone slapped a name on it.
Not totally true, native lipia flowers and seeds thus is more invasive vs Kurapia that is hybridsized thus does not seed and as invasive asnative lipia. It is more than just 'slapping a name on it' as you just mentioned.
@BryceGarling When it is grown without thought of its growing chacterisics in a URBAN landscape application. When it us used as a possible lawn alternative. Your point is well taken, though when you consider a native landscape, is by diffenition free to be as they are growing to be...👍
One thing I learned about Kurapia, and plugging it, it like to be planted in mulch. I have this stuff growing all over Miramar College.
I was glad to see a video with the comparison of the native Lippia with Kurapia -- you mentioned many aspects that are very similar (height, leaf shape, color) but you didn't mention one of the big differences: since Kurapia is the sterile cultivar of the native plant, Kurapia produces no seeds, where the native flower produces many. I'm wondering how much of a difference that makes in terms of it's invasiveness. Both spread by underground runners of course, but does the seed produced by the native plant mean that Lippia will be popping up all over my garden and become a nuisance elsewhere? And are there other differences we should know about, to help make a decision between the two? I've heard that cold tolerance is somewhat different, as well as "self-healing" properties. And what about longevity? I'd hate to spend thousands of dollars on plant material if it's going to die out in 3 years! Thank you!
Great questions
My thoughts exactly. I'm still unclear on the differences and why you would choose one over, maybe it's just that Kurapia is sterile like you suggested? IDK
Hi, I know your post is a year old, so I am wondering if you chose a ground cover, and if so, did you go with either of these?
I have read that Phyla Nodiflora (the CA native) is relatively easy to remove from areas it’s not wanted, so I expect that even if it pops up from seed in a garden bed or something, it is easily able to be removed (or maybe even moved to a spot where it’s needed as turf). And that it can be edged to contain it to the area where it belongs?
I’ve seen some that use it as a living mulch in beds to suppress weeds, as opposed to using it like a lawn or turf.
I’m in CA and planning to use it around flagstones as a step-able living mulch - we are replacing most of our previous lawn area with beds for roses, lavender, native wildflowers and flowering shrubs for pollinators, and added a lemon tree. But a lawn is a large empty space that’s hard to make enjoyable without structure, so first business was a new pathway across the front garden to better access the side yard and driveway, and there’s a more informal path of stepping stones around the tree so the flower beds can be accessed. There’s room for more structure; maybe a garden bench, maybe a small water feature for pollinators or birds, but I though that around the pathways would be the perfect place to add some low-growing green plants that will help keep the house and garden cooler, less dry looking, and keep the dirt and dust down. Elfin thyme is very popular here, so is dymondia, but I wanted to prioritize a native plant first, if one was suitable, even if I incorporate some sections of other “step-ables”.
For me, if it pops up in other bed as a “weed” but it’s a native plant, especially one that benefits pollinators, it’s way less of a big deal to me than the non-natives doing the same.
Also, I’ve spent the last year battling bermuda grass (at one point, the whole lawn must have been bermuda) and it’s a complete menace. No plant that reseeds itself could be worse than bermuda’s deep rhizomes, where the tiniest chunk left behind or the deepest root with no light and water comes back from the dead repeatedly- it’s like the Hydra, growing more heads as you cut them off!
Very helpful video. Could you please post photos of completely covered areas of Kurapia and native Lippia grown adjacently ideally in flower? I have an area planted with Kurapia sod but am considering planting native Lippia next to it. Thanks.
Joel, thank you for your comment. how is your kurapia sod doing and what company did you get your sod from?
Hello, Just watched this video. Very informative. Does Lippia spread (like St. Augustine, Bermuda grasses or ivy)? Or does each plant max out at a certain radius? Thanks!
Question: if I install plugs on bare ground, can I apply a pre-emergent herbicide until the plugs cover the bare spots? If yes, which pre-emergent herbicides are compatible?
What wasn't covered were the differences and why would you choose one over the other?
Same plant no difference. Only differences that could be worth considering is kurapia is sterile, and gives the option of a pink variety. Otherwise your only paying for a name.
@@BryceGarling Thank you! Very helpful! I am in the process of converting my lawn and have decided to go with frog fruit and this question has continued to nag at me! You’ve helped reassure me that I made the right choice.
Maybe I missed it, but are both these plants drought resistant? Also how quickly do they grow to cover an area? Are they both available in sod form? Thank you!
Hi Michelle! Yes, both plants are highly drought tolerant. The rate of how quickly they'd cover and area varies based on multiple factors but anywhere between a few weeks to a couple of months for full coverage. The native Lippia is currently available in plug form and we have Kurapia in sod form only.
I've seen in some videos that lippia actually goes dormand and ugly in winter. is this true? i would prefer lippia to kurapia if not the case. thanks!
Where do you ship to? I'm in Texas, and I want to convert most of my lawn to native frogfruit
Frogfruit is native to Texas also. Texas nurseries sell frogfruit, at least in the Austin area.
Can I successfully grow CA Native Lippia or Kurapia in a yard with two medium size dogs who will run, poop and pee on it? Will it stop growing in certain areas due to the traffic or the dogs relieving themselves on it? Will the waste turn the cover brown or yellow? If these two ground covers won’t meet my needs, can you recommend something else that is drought tolerant? Thanks.
I've heard kurapia is hardy and pets cause no issue to it other than if they dig in it but what plant or grass wouldn't be effected by digging? This video is the first I've heard of the lippia so don't know much about it but I'm curious from an above comment about its seed producing and if that will cause it to grow everywhere in the yard being spread by wind or birds or from trimming edging ect. Please share anything you have discovered thanks cheers
So basically there is only one difference. You can plant the native for cheap and free, or you can pay massive amounts because someone slapped a name on it.
Not totally true, native lipia flowers and seeds thus is more invasive vs Kurapia that is hybridsized thus does not seed and as invasive asnative lipia.
It is more than just 'slapping a name on it' as you just mentioned.
@@alcambero Since when are natives considered invasives?
@BryceGarling
When it is grown without thought of its growing chacterisics in a URBAN landscape application.
When it us used as a possible lawn alternative.
Your point is well taken, though when you consider a native landscape, is by diffenition free to be as they are growing to be...👍
I hear it's prone to gophers so if you have gophers in your area, lay down gopher barrier.