That would be like those Disney channel crossover episode on disney channel. If there are 3 people everyone on the motorcycling youtube scene knows its these 3 guys :D
When I was shopping for waterproof gear I was asking the sales guy loads of questions and he said to me "Look man if mother nature wants you to get wet, there is precious little you can do about it." That has stuck with me ever since. :-)
I am almost 70 and Just about every car or bike I have ever owned has been under powered by US standards but they all worked fine to get me where I wanted to go. My first motorcycle was a 1970 Honda 175 SL I rode it on two trips in Montana over 250 miles one way. The first trip was from Missoula to just out side of Bozeman on I 90 and the second was from Missoula on Highway 93 to Glacier Park and back. So I am saying this to encourage new comers to the sport to ride what you have or you can afford. I have 3 bikes now and love all of them for different reasons. I have a Honda 2008 crf230l and a Honda 2012 nc700x and a Suzuki 2008 drz400s. I love listening to you guys on Low Side High Side.
If I were distracted, and the computer in my bike went to full 100% emergency braking at freeway speed when I wasn’t expecting it - it wouldn’t matter if it avoided a collision because I’d be full Superman over the handlebars anyway!
Thanks for another great, entertaining, informative, provocative and inspiring episode. I always feel like you guys, Spurge and Zack, and all your expert guests, are sitting in my garage with me as I wrench on my bike while enjoying a beer!
57:00 this displacement question typically trickles down to the distances we have the potential to travel compared to the less interconnected countries elsewhere. IMO the vehicle you’re using is where the fun comes from. I’ve had more fun in an 1986 manual Ford Ranger with compression issues than any other vehicle I’ve driven. I’ve had more fun on my 2016 Cbr500r than I legally could on a 600 or liter bike. Just like the long distance riding conversation earlier in the podcast it’s about enjoying the ride, not just getting from A to B as fast as possible. And let’s be honest, how many of us aren’t just riding around aimlessly anyway?
I’m with Zack when it comes to 2 pairs of gloves I commute to work a lot and when I leave work at 10pm sometimes the temp dropped into the 30s-40s F, I’ll have my heated gloves just in case. Anything over 50 degrees F is regular gloves but I’ll always have a mesh lightweight pair and a full leather gauntlet for riding season. I’m in Central Connecticut
I just had to come show some support for Spurgeon. There’s only 3 reasons for a turbo on a bike. Fuel efficiency, power, or novelty. Bikes are already fuel efficient enough as it is. If you’re stressing about getting more mpg to save money you should re-examine your finances. If you want more range maybe you’re in the wrong bike with too small of a tank. Power....it’s unnecessary. Bikes are more capable than 90% of people can push them. Plus with a turbo you have to be much more cognizant of where you are in the RPM range because you don’t want boost to hit at the wrong time coming out of a corner for example. So that just leaves novelty. And I don’t see the point in adding weight and complication just for novelty. Turbos on dedicated drag busas are the only time a turbo on a bike makes any sense to me.
Emissions is another thing to consider, easier to make power and meet new euro 5 emissions laws, there’s a few leaked forced induction designs from Yamaha, Suzuki and I can’t remember the 3rd but from what I read they all seem to be geared towards making good power and passing emissions tests
And, about long distance rides: Zack has a point: Every bike is capable going on a very long ride. The only problem are you. Do you have a leather butt? Are you fit (not as muscles, but as endurance) enough to ride long distance?
Agree, all bikes are capable. Preparation is a big part of it, including what you wear. Longest ride so far is 1,570km in 20 hours, on my R1M. Only stopping for gas and food.
@@TheCdubbleyoo it's not just muscles, a lot of stamina is lost fighting the bike, when the rider is not in control. That can only be fixed by mileage of the rider, not the bike. As comfort levels increase, muscle ingagement lowers.
I go out of my way to buy stuff at Revzilla because of HSLS, Daily Rider, The Shop Manual, and CTXP. Keep it up! And get me some Tech7 Drystars already!!
The first question, and Spurgeon's mention of KTM being relatively unseen in the street, is exactly why I bought my, new at the time, 2019 KTM 390 DUKE as my first bike (at age 36). In the Canadian province which I live no one rides KTM and I had, and still haven't, seen another KTM on the roads. It was because the appeal of the 390 Duke as a fun, little naked and the scarcity of KTMs on the road that I bought the bike; even though dealer required maintenance is no less than 450 km away. It's definitely afforded me many conversations with people wondering what I'm riding and how I like it, which is nice as a new(er) rider.
Responding to your first comment, one of my bikes is a 2009 Aprilia RSV1000R Factory Red Lion. I have NEVER seen another one on the road! I saw one at a local dealership, however. I love it that nobody in my locale, the S.F. Bay Area, appears to have one. That's pretty kool!
The question about the weather. Isnt that what motorcycling is all about? Part of the experience is to be at the mercy of the elements and overcome them. If you cannot think on those terms, then maybe motorcycling is not for you.
Spent years on my ST on the road and an F4I on track. Now I have the Africa Twin for the road and must admit the chain drive is preferable for me. I also have a 1986 Honda Vt700C with shaft (trouble) and a 72 HOnda CD 175 with chain--awesome (besides the frightening lack of brakes). I thought I, like Zack, loved the shaft but you can chain me any day. Thanks gents, love the show and all the guests. Invite me on...I really know nothing but I am pretty handsome
Auto braking on a motorcycle would be nothing but dangerous. I own two cars that have full driver assist, and these systems don't always work properly. it's one thing to have a car apply its brakes, and a different issue to have a bike do so. Riding is far more balance related than driving. I'll add that now and again my cars brakes are auto applied for no reason (that I can determine), can you imagine your bike clamping the brakes when you're not expecting it, you're likely to go over the bars. traction control, abs, quick shift, etc... all good adds if you want them, but let us apply the brakes ourselves. IMO
To follow with the question about the uniqueness of a motorcycle... One big-ish group of people that exists among car enthusiasts are the "sleeper fanboys", cars that don't look. super fast but actually are. Example the Chevy SS (a malibu with a Corvette engine) or a Buick Regal GS (a regular Buick with 260hp) ... What are your favorite sleeper bikes?! I kinda feel there aren't that many because super sportbikes and naked bikes tend to be designed a bit out there, so I can't really think of any sleeper motorcycles
Hey now, I commented in agreeance with Spurgeon on the video about the turbo. Needless complexity, heat sink management, another part to fail, additional weight/cost. There is a reason that many of the most tracked sports cars (miata, brz/gt86) are preferred naturally aspirated. Fuel costs would have to absolutely skyrocket before I see factory turbocharging becoming viable, and honestly, a hybrid electric motorcycle seems far more simple and appealing. A 60hp brushless motor in the hub would absolutely stomp. Battery weight would be kept minimal as hybrid power is only needed for acceleration. It requires surprisingly little power to sustain speed.
I have a shaft, chain, and belt bike in my stable right now. They’re all fun, if you’re into wrenching the chain is more fun. If you’re not, shaft has never given me any trouble
Totally agree with that. If brought downmarket to other bikes it should be selectable like ABS on KTM models. Something like that could make emergency maneuvers impossible. Imagine someone pulling out in front of you, you attempt to serve away and your bike decides to brake at the moment you initiate the push to get away. Turns a simple evasion into becoming a hood ornament or trunk dressing
You guys should have a 1hr sitdown/podcast conversation about SPORTBIKE TIRES. I'd love to hear the real life, down to earth information about this. Im piecing together all little bits of info across the web, but haven't found many conversations about it. Tx!
Part of the displacement question depends on whether you ride mainly solo or with a pillion. I almost can’t tell the difference between riding my K1200LT solo or with my wife onboard. However, the difference between riding my KLR650 solo vs. having my wife onboard is night and day. The KLR is a super fun solo bike for riding at 60 MPH or less, but with two onboard, it is definitely suited best to riding short distances at lower speeds.
I'm trying to save up for an RS660 specifically because I want a bike with all the technology possible. Maybe I just lack confidence in my own skills, but the more the bike can help keep me safe I'm all about it.
It's valid reasoning however a lot of that tech is nothing you will need or use on even the most spirited street riding. Especially if you're a newer riding still working on your skills and confidence. A good newer bike with ABS, TSC and other 'standard' electronic suite is, I would say, all you need. The more important thing is picking on what you learn, yes you can just go and get a crazy liter bike - but - something in the Yama/Kawa/Honda range around 500/750cc with solid ABS/TSC etc. Is all you need. The way I see it those extra electronic suites only come in hand when you ride the latest 200hp machine on the edge. I started on a CBR500R, ABS kicked in a couple of times and helped, TSC as well in colder or slippier conditions but as I rode on it basically never kicked in anymore. So as a suggestion you could try something somewhat friendlier, less expensive, and more approachable to build your confidence on.
@@Valks-22 See I kind of see it from the other direction. I'm looking to have all that tech, even if I don't need it, and then gradually lower the intervention settings over time as I get more confident in the bike. Maybe part of this is that my current bike has no electronics at all and I've lost the back tire a few times when the streets are even slightly damp. Haven't wrecked it yet but they were some close calls. Upgrading to something with an absolute minimum of ABS is my goal for this year. The price range I am looking at the RS660 fits at the top end of, and it's got pretty much everything I could ever want in a bike. Cruise control for under $12k! I think the only other bike that offers cruise control in that price range is the Rebel 1100, and eww cruisers.
@@Damiv I can't speak for cruise control as I don't have it on mine (CBR 650R) and don't have much need for it anyway. But if you are looking at sports/nakeds alternatives easier on the budget I can wholeheartedly recommend the CBR650R or CBR650 (same but naked) friend has. Kawa 650 is a contender as well. They have 90% of electronics you need bar CC and are great middleweight choices. That being said if you're sold on the RS660 due to looks/performance or something go ahead - I personally don't see a need to spring up to it just for the extra electronics.
@@Valks-22 I looked at the CBR650, but insurance for that bike would cost me $100 more a month than the RS660. So I'd actually save money by getting the Aprilla lol. The Ninja 650 would barely be a step up from my current GS500. My commute to work is an hour of mostly highway so CC while not required would be really nice to have. Not much interested in naked bikes, I need that wind protection for all the highway miles I do. It's kinda a hyperspecific set of wants/needs I've got and there just isn't a lot of bikes that fit into that category on the low end of the price range. Seems no one makes middleweight sport touring bikes anymore.
@@Damiv Must be country-specific, for me the RS660 would be the more expensive option in terms of insurance, tax, and maintenance beyond the higher bike price. So for you it makes more sense. As for wind protection, I agree a 2 hour highway round-trip on a naked does not sound fun for a daily commute. I put a 3cm higher than stock PUIG bubble on my CBR650R and it takes just about everything off in a semi-tuck position at 90mph on a highway and does so effortlessly at ~40 mpg. In any case you won't go wrong with either bike!
Amen, brotha Zach. Bought my silver S2R for the very same reason. Great lookin bike. On that note, why don't you take the "cool wall" to the podcast? Viewer bikes, host bikes, etc. can all be deemed cool or uncool.
I suspect the issue with turbos is three-fold:cost, packaging and maintenance. It is less expensive to make, more compact to package and easier to maintain engines that get power other than with turbos.
A turbo motorcycle would definitely be a unique riding experience, especially if there's significant lag. I'm sure the noise would be super interesting too. I'm glad that at least Kawasaki is experimenting with forced induction on bikes.
Making a belt drive shed mud or dirt is a solved problem. Gates has been selling bicycle belt drives for years that shed mud just fine: the key is to make the bottom of the sprocket grooves open so lobes of the belt can push the debris down and out through the open spaces. The problem isn't that belt drives can't handle dirt, the problem is that Yamaha specced the SCR950 with a solid sprocket (along with many, many other mistakes they made when parts-binning that bike together). That said, a modern x-ring chain is essentially permanently lubricated from the factory. The only reason you need to clean and "lube" them is to keep the outer surface of the chain from looking rusty.
I love listening to this while working, when you guys were talking about the different types of drives, reminded me of my old yam v star 650, (first bike) and last cruiser I ever had, it had a shaft drive and if you down shifted at higher speeds the rear wheel would churp...I know its stupid but I felt so cool at the time..lol
FYI CRF1000/CRF1100 DCT there a kit to replace left parking brake lever (which would normally be the clutch lever on manual versions) someone recently posted that he switched it out with rear brake lever in lieu of thumb brake. I saw this posted on FB Africa Twin group. This was to improve his technical use of rear brake off-roading with DCT instead of using right foot brake pedal. Might be something to look into.
Zack: You don't need a powerful bike to have fun. Small bikes are a blast. Also Zack: We need turbos on bikes! I'm with Spurg. The reason manufacturers don't put turbos on bikes is because they would cost more and you could buy a faster bike without a turbo for less money.
On the Honda NC 750 DCT, its a linked ABS system, at least locally in South Africa the DCT model comes with linked brakes. How the Honda dealers didnt know this is mad to me
"In 1978 Kawasaki offered the Z1R-TC, a semi-production model built by Turbo Cycle." "The first production turbocharged motorcycle from the factory was the shaft-driven 1982 Honda CX500 Turbo."
Spurg- to the first question, I had a 2000 VFR (favorite bike) 5-7 years ago because they weren’t very common anymore. I did a lot too it to make it even more unique. I currently have a Superhawk now for the same reason. HMU if you’re in Chicagoland if you’re still looking to try one out. Coming from a fellow prior VFR owner, you’ll like it.
I definitely side with Zack on the "Turbo or not to Turbo" debate. It would be a great way to make smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient engines that perform like larger engines when needed. Downside will obviously be development costs (that get rolled into the selling price of the bike...a la Kawi H2) and maintenance. Can you imagine a new GL1800 Goldwing with the option of a Turbo? That would be awesome!! Honda, if you are listening, build it....build it, strip it down and call it the new Valkyrie! DO IT! This would absolutely quash all the haters that say you have gone soft!
Love Zach and Ari! I wish it was easier to find them on UA-cam 🥺 😜 Love the podcast.... love Daily Rider..... wish I cared enough to READ anything from commontread. Although I would love to dive in... thanks guys!!!! 😀😀 Ps. Spurg... I don’t mind you being there that much anymore...... 🤣😂😅😇
Thanks for this one ..It was very entertaining .. SO to pitch an episode : I would love a show where you have both your Dad's on and really hit the" back in my day" and modern riding ... I know you both have an affection for the timelessness of our sport ..
Great podcast! Isn't Kawasaki making the H2/H2R with a supercharger? I saw the other day that the H2 makes 200 HP - which is insane!. side note: Sack's voice is so calming and soothing, it could relax even the most avid insomniac :). not that you are not interesting zack, but your lilty voice is very soothing :) again, another great show.
The woman that works at my house used to ride a scooter, long time ago, every since, public transport. But with the pandemic, public transport became dangerous, so we paid for her uber every day twice a day. We ended up helping her a moped (scooter) for her health (and ours) and it ended up being cost effective. It's a chinese scooter, so it's dirt cheap.
12:30 A Finnish guy I met on the web said scooters are huge amongst teens cause they can drive at 15. I would love to see how much more integral scoot life is in certain parts of the world from their(anyone's) perspective.
I agree with Spurg about the turbos. Unnecessary. Fuel infection will efficiently manage fuel/air mixture to accommodate elevation changes. And 99.9% of riders are incapable of using the performance capabilities of most bikes currently produced. I didn't read any other comments on the matter. Just my perspective. Great show guys.
I would like to hear some discussion on the fueling in new bikes. I have had quite a few bikes in my life. I have been riding on road for 28 years and on dirt for 36 years. In the last 2 years I have purchased 2 brand new bikes. They are both the worst running bikes I have ever had. They have both had a throttle that turned on and off like a light switch. I ride in an extreme range of temperatures and both new bikes will have times that they hesitate, bog and even let a big pop out of the intake. Nothing is found to be wrong with them. Am I the only one that has had these negative experiences? Or is everyone ok with paying 15 grand for a new bike that runs good sometimes? Is going to turbo the solution? Automotive industry is going to turbo to create good power out of small engines and meet emissions.
most motorcycle engines just don't produce the volume of exhaust gases necessary to spool a turbo fast enough to make a impactful difference or they only do it at the upper reaches of their rev range.
AND ANOTHER THING: Go small. Smaller even. Nope, even smaller. ... smaller, ... not there yet.. smaller still. GO WITH 125ccm or less. And take your time. You'll have a blast. Small bike, small weight, small pack, small budget, small consumption. Go small, go cheap, go now.
@Ninety Four Moto depends on what kind of riding you want to do. Take your time, reduce your desires for more miles, add some joy for exploring, and you'll have fun. A buddy of mine toured over ALL of Europe on his MZ 125 naked with a budget that small it was ridiculous.
I agree. The technology is amazing and I am glad it is available, but I really enjoy my Stone Age KLR to just go out and have fun. However, on the street in heavy traffic and wide ranging weather conditions, I like the ABS on my BMW. I definitely believe technology improves safety, but I also believe it results in less skillful riders.
The reason there is no turbos on motorcycles, is because the bosses are like Spurge "We tried it in the 80s, and it didn't work" They won't throw money after something they think is already proven to not work!
If you haven't yet shot the episode with Ryan, I'd like to request that you ask him about the Top Gun parody episode he did for his review of the Ninja H2 SX. It's easily my favourite video of his and it's comedy gold. I always enjoy the show!
Just heard this episode and realized you just talked about my planned 2022 trip: Guatemala to Alaska in a Versys 300 with my dad, who is taking a KLR650. PLEASE GIVE ME A T SHIRT TO WEAR ON THE TRIP!!
Zack, I listen/watch in a place where I can't turn up the volume very high and there's varying amounts of background noise. As I've learned when dealing with a "masked" world, I rely more on seeing a person's speaking then I would have suspected. So if you could just lower your mic a smidge, it'd help a lot. Thanks!
Nothing gear related should EVER be mandated by law. Period. Laws should regulate actions that have potential to harm others. Never to infringe on personal responsibility for oneself.
S2R800 is the best bike ever Zack, I have one and after 80,000km its starting to hate it's life but i'll never sell it (just get more bikes lol), i knew you had taste! Since you're talking about having people on, it'd be awesome to have a quick chat with Jensen Beeler of Asphalt and Rubber, he name drops you guys on his podcast from time to time but it'd be lovely to see a collab :)
Worst trip I ever took on a bike, 1998 riding from SC to ATLANTA, about a 4 hr. Trip took 13 hrs. Lmao it rained and I mean rained torrentially, the whole way, and it was December visiting family for christmas. On a cbr 900rr and a big pack strapped to the back. Me and a buddy froze for 13 hrs. It was memorable though .
I think the overwhelming response against Spurg regarding turbos was because he was so passionately against it and any possibility that turbos would ever be viable in motorcycles. I think if he went with a more nuanced argument it would be easier to agree with his viewpoint lol. But it was more entertaining this way :D
The sad thing about Harley's "off road is our heritage" bs is I honestly think it really wasn't for us. It was for the board members who are still skeptical of innovation. They needed to remind those people why they said yes, even in the launch video.
Regarding the new rider with a leg disability, why was there no suggestion of a maxi-scooter? Could he have used a BMW C650, a Burgman, C400, or XMAX ? You already suggested the DCT transmission and a thumb break so that he wouldn’t need to worry about using his feet to shift gears or have to apply the rear brake.
Spurg: On the Bonneville (or any other naked) did the wind noise do your head in on your cross-country trips? Wearing plugs for days on end seems an uncomfortable hassle...
Small clip on windscreen on the Bonnie was a lifesaver. Hate the way it looks, but it works. I used one that I clip on for a long ride and take off for around town riding.
Hi. Im A rider and has been for about 6 years, has A ktm 500exc 2013 for 3 of them and i now ride an R6 2000. I want to go more for A touring/adventure route and im not sure to go all the way to A Africa twin 1000ccm or go for the smaller t7.🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ Do you guys have any inputs/pros ans cons of the two? Btw i love the show, have listen to all 3 seasons🙌🏼🙌🏼
Stupid question.. how do you leave an Apple iTunes review? lol This is the only podcast I listen to, I have tried 3 or 4 others and none held my interest. I figured this at the very least warranted a review on iTunes, but I couldnt figure out how to leave a review. Thanks Apple for making me feel stupid. While not all episodes appeal to me, I have been enjoying them, the banter between Zack and Spurg. I really enjoyed the dream trips ep, and my top pick I think would be the same as Spurg.
I definitely blame the necessity of a motor vehicle for the increased sizes of motorcycles and cars in the US. Most of our towns and cities grew after cars were invented. In many cases, this leads to many more sprawling suburban areas in the US instead of actual metropolitan cities. Take this, mixed with large rural swathes, connected by highways, and usually poor or entirely absent public transportation, all of which make cars mandatory. In europe, a family might own a car, but it will be used far less. Therefore, a european's car might be seen as more of a tool, rather than a defining part of your everyday life.
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now we just need to convince them to let F9 produce a video for Revzilla starring Zack & Ari, narrated by Ryan
Epic idea!
That would be like those Disney channel crossover episode on disney channel. If there are 3 people everyone on the motorcycling youtube scene knows its these 3 guys :D
Ryan F9 special guest... Yesssss!!!!!
People that see this comment but haven’t watched it yet😂
@@McTripleCheese ah yeah 🤦♂️ whoops
Best advice evah: "Just ride, man. Just ride. Where ever, what ever, when ever... just ride."
This could be a 4 hour podcast and I would happily listen to it
Well... you’re in luck... because the finale is long.....
When I was shopping for waterproof gear I was asking the sales guy loads of questions and he said to me "Look man if mother nature wants you to get wet, there is precious little you can do about it."
That has stuck with me ever since. :-)
I am almost 70 and Just about every car or bike I have ever owned has been under powered by US standards but they all worked fine to get me where I wanted to go. My first motorcycle was a 1970 Honda 175 SL I rode it on two trips in Montana over 250 miles one way. The first trip was from Missoula to just out side of Bozeman on I 90 and the second was from Missoula on Highway 93 to Glacier Park and back. So I am saying this to encourage new comers to the sport to ride what you have or you can afford. I have 3 bikes now and love all of them for different reasons. I have a Honda 2008 crf230l and a Honda 2012 nc700x and a Suzuki 2008 drz400s. I love listening to you guys on Low Side High Side.
Zach you gotta do a daily rider of the Pan America
Going to ask again, can you please either post time stamps in the description, comment section or use UA-cam’s chapter feature? Thanks 🙏
For the love of motorcycle jesus please do this
If I were distracted, and the computer in my bike went to full 100% emergency braking at freeway speed when I wasn’t expecting it - it wouldn’t matter if it avoided a collision because I’d be full Superman over the handlebars anyway!
And even if you did hang on you probably wont have spare pants with you.
Thanks for another great, entertaining, informative, provocative and inspiring episode. I always feel like you guys, Spurge and Zack, and all your expert guests, are sitting in my garage with me as I wrench on my bike while enjoying a beer!
As an Alpinestars airbag vest owner I can confirm from real world experience it doesn't go off from slow speed falls.
57:00 this displacement question typically trickles down to the distances we have the potential to travel compared to the less interconnected countries elsewhere. IMO the vehicle you’re using is where the fun comes from. I’ve had more fun in an 1986 manual Ford Ranger with compression issues than any other vehicle I’ve driven. I’ve had more fun on my 2016 Cbr500r than I legally could on a 600 or liter bike. Just like the long distance riding conversation earlier in the podcast it’s about enjoying the ride, not just getting from A to B as fast as possible. And let’s be honest, how many of us aren’t just riding around aimlessly anyway?
excellent point!
I’m with Zack when it comes to 2 pairs of gloves I commute to work a lot and when I leave work at 10pm sometimes the temp dropped into the 30s-40s F, I’ll have my heated gloves just in case. Anything over 50 degrees F is regular gloves but I’ll always have a mesh lightweight pair and a full leather gauntlet for riding season. I’m in Central Connecticut
The moto Guzzi V85 is also a shaft drive ADV bike.
I just had to come show some support for Spurgeon. There’s only 3 reasons for a turbo on a bike. Fuel efficiency, power, or novelty.
Bikes are already fuel efficient enough as it is. If you’re stressing about getting more mpg to save money you should re-examine your finances. If you want more range maybe you’re in the wrong bike with too small of a tank.
Power....it’s unnecessary. Bikes are more capable than 90% of people can push them. Plus with a turbo you have to be much more cognizant of where you are in the RPM range because you don’t want boost to hit at the wrong time coming out of a corner for example.
So that just leaves novelty. And I don’t see the point in adding weight and complication just for novelty.
Turbos on dedicated drag busas are the only time a turbo on a bike makes any sense to me.
Emissions is another thing to consider, easier to make power and meet new euro 5 emissions laws, there’s a few leaked forced induction designs from Yamaha, Suzuki and I can’t remember the 3rd but from what I read they all seem to be geared towards making good power and passing emissions tests
These guys are getting better with each episode ! Good stuff, keep going.
And, about long distance rides: Zack has a point: Every bike is capable going on a very long ride. The only problem are you. Do you have a leather butt? Are you fit (not as muscles, but as endurance) enough to ride long distance?
I've ridden my CRF250L Rally 480 miles in a single day - good padded mountain bike shorts helped, but that was on a stock seat!
Actually, endurance is muscles. Muscle fitness is not just a matter of strength, but flexibility and stamina as well.
Agree, all bikes are capable. Preparation is a big part of it, including what you wear. Longest ride so far is 1,570km in 20 hours, on my R1M. Only stopping for gas and food.
@@TheCdubbleyoo it's not just muscles, a lot of stamina is lost fighting the bike, when the rider is not in control. That can only be fixed by mileage of the rider, not the bike. As comfort levels increase, muscle ingagement lowers.
I go out of my way to buy stuff at Revzilla because of HSLS, Daily Rider, The Shop Manual, and CTXP. Keep it up! And get me some Tech7 Drystars already!!
Thanks for having me as a guest on the show, guys.
The first question, and Spurgeon's mention of KTM being relatively unseen in the street, is exactly why I bought my, new at the time, 2019 KTM 390 DUKE as my first bike (at age 36). In the Canadian province which I live no one rides KTM and I had, and still haven't, seen another KTM on the roads. It was because the appeal of the 390 Duke as a fun, little naked and the scarcity of KTMs on the road that I bought the bike; even though dealer required maintenance is no less than 450 km away. It's definitely afforded me many conversations with people wondering what I'm riding and how I like it, which is nice as a new(er) rider.
Great stuff lads, only getting into watching Highside Lowside. Love it and really helps so much.
Responding to your first comment, one of my bikes is a 2009 Aprilia RSV1000R Factory Red Lion. I have NEVER seen another one on the road! I saw one at a local dealership, however. I love it that nobody in my locale, the S.F. Bay Area, appears to have one. That's pretty kool!
The question about the weather. Isnt that what motorcycling is all about? Part of the experience is to be at the mercy of the elements and overcome them. If you cannot think on those terms, then maybe motorcycling is not for you.
Spent years on my ST on the road and an F4I on track. Now I have the Africa Twin for the road and must admit the chain drive is preferable for me. I also have a 1986 Honda Vt700C with shaft (trouble) and a 72 HOnda CD 175 with chain--awesome (besides the frightening lack of brakes). I thought I, like Zack, loved the shaft but you can chain me any day. Thanks gents, love the show and all the guests. Invite me on...I really know nothing but I am pretty handsome
Auto braking on a motorcycle would be nothing but dangerous. I own two cars that have full driver assist, and these systems don't always work properly. it's one thing to have a car apply its brakes, and a different issue to have a bike do so. Riding is far more balance related than driving. I'll add that now and again my cars brakes are auto applied for no reason (that I can determine), can you imagine your bike clamping the brakes when you're not expecting it, you're likely to go over the bars. traction control, abs, quick shift, etc... all good adds if you want them, but let us apply the brakes ourselves. IMO
What about using UA-cam comments for a shirt as well?
Probably too many especially over time but I emailed them a comment and Spurg sent me a free shirt.
So the Boss Hoss wouldn't be the best bike ever made?! 🤔 🤣
Great episode dudes
This was a good show. Keep them coming because I do listen to them.
To follow with the question about the uniqueness of a motorcycle... One big-ish group of people that exists among car enthusiasts are the "sleeper fanboys", cars that don't look. super fast but actually are. Example the Chevy SS (a malibu with a Corvette engine) or a Buick Regal GS (a regular Buick with 260hp) ... What are your favorite sleeper bikes?! I kinda feel there aren't that many because super sportbikes and naked bikes tend to be designed a bit out there, so I can't really think of any sleeper motorcycles
The Kawasaki Z900RS springs to mind. It looks like a bike from another era, but it goes like the clappers.
A trail 110 with all of that distance and she was with him the entire time?
Fuck yea put a ring on that!
Hey now, I commented in agreeance with Spurgeon on the video about the turbo.
Needless complexity, heat sink management, another part to fail, additional weight/cost. There is a reason that many of the most tracked sports cars (miata, brz/gt86) are preferred naturally aspirated.
Fuel costs would have to absolutely skyrocket before I see factory turbocharging becoming viable, and honestly, a hybrid electric motorcycle seems far more simple and appealing.
A 60hp brushless motor in the hub would absolutely stomp. Battery weight would be kept minimal as hybrid power is only needed for acceleration. It requires surprisingly little power to sustain speed.
I have a shaft, chain, and belt bike in my stable right now. They’re all fun, if you’re into wrenching the chain is more fun. If you’re not, shaft has never given me any trouble
No auto-braking on motorcycles, screw the safety
Totally agree with that. If brought downmarket to other bikes it should be selectable like ABS on KTM models. Something like that could make emergency maneuvers impossible. Imagine someone pulling out in front of you, you attempt to serve away and your bike decides to brake at the moment you initiate the push to get away. Turns a simple evasion into becoming a hood ornament or trunk dressing
@@Otterplus my exact thoughts, too much rider aids not only defeats the purpose of riding but will eventually cause mishaps like you mention
You guys should have a 1hr sitdown/podcast conversation about SPORTBIKE TIRES. I'd love to hear the real life, down to earth information about this. Im piecing together all little bits of info across the web, but haven't found many conversations about it. Tx!
Part of the displacement question depends on whether you ride mainly solo or with a pillion. I almost can’t tell the difference between riding my K1200LT solo or with my wife onboard. However, the difference between riding my KLR650 solo vs. having my wife onboard is night and day. The KLR is a super fun solo bike for riding at 60 MPH or less, but with two onboard, it is definitely suited best to riding short distances at lower speeds.
Awesome episode!!! First time watching, love it!
It's great how wholesome you help out handicapped riders by giving advice
I'm trying to save up for an RS660 specifically because I want a bike with all the technology possible. Maybe I just lack confidence in my own skills, but the more the bike can help keep me safe I'm all about it.
It's valid reasoning however a lot of that tech is nothing you will need or use on even the most spirited street riding.
Especially if you're a newer riding still working on your skills and confidence.
A good newer bike with ABS, TSC and other 'standard' electronic suite is, I would say, all you need.
The more important thing is picking on what you learn, yes you can just go and get a crazy liter bike - but - something in the Yama/Kawa/Honda range around 500/750cc with solid ABS/TSC etc. Is all you need.
The way I see it those extra electronic suites only come in hand when you ride the latest 200hp machine on the edge.
I started on a CBR500R, ABS kicked in a couple of times and helped, TSC as well in colder or slippier conditions but as I rode on it basically never kicked in anymore.
So as a suggestion you could try something somewhat friendlier, less expensive, and more approachable to build your confidence on.
@@Valks-22 See I kind of see it from the other direction. I'm looking to have all that tech, even if I don't need it, and then gradually lower the intervention settings over time as I get more confident in the bike. Maybe part of this is that my current bike has no electronics at all and I've lost the back tire a few times when the streets are even slightly damp. Haven't wrecked it yet but they were some close calls. Upgrading to something with an absolute minimum of ABS is my goal for this year. The price range I am looking at the RS660 fits at the top end of, and it's got pretty much everything I could ever want in a bike. Cruise control for under $12k! I think the only other bike that offers cruise control in that price range is the Rebel 1100, and eww cruisers.
@@Damiv I can't speak for cruise control as I don't have it on mine (CBR 650R) and don't have much need for it anyway.
But if you are looking at sports/nakeds alternatives easier on the budget I can wholeheartedly recommend the CBR650R or CBR650 (same but naked) friend has.
Kawa 650 is a contender as well. They have 90% of electronics you need bar CC and are great middleweight choices.
That being said if you're sold on the RS660 due to looks/performance or something go ahead - I personally don't see a need to spring up to it just for the extra electronics.
@@Valks-22 I looked at the CBR650, but insurance for that bike would cost me $100 more a month than the RS660. So I'd actually save money by getting the Aprilla lol. The Ninja 650 would barely be a step up from my current GS500. My commute to work is an hour of mostly highway so CC while not required would be really nice to have. Not much interested in naked bikes, I need that wind protection for all the highway miles I do. It's kinda a hyperspecific set of wants/needs I've got and there just isn't a lot of bikes that fit into that category on the low end of the price range. Seems no one makes middleweight sport touring bikes anymore.
@@Damiv Must be country-specific, for me the RS660 would be the more expensive option in terms of insurance, tax, and maintenance beyond the higher bike price. So for you it makes more sense.
As for wind protection, I agree a 2 hour highway round-trip on a naked does not sound fun for a daily commute. I put a 3cm higher than stock PUIG bubble on my CBR650R and it takes just about everything off in a semi-tuck position at 90mph on a highway and does so effortlessly at ~40 mpg.
In any case you won't go wrong with either bike!
Amen, brotha Zach. Bought my silver S2R for the very same reason. Great lookin bike. On that note, why don't you take the "cool wall" to the podcast? Viewer bikes, host bikes, etc. can all be deemed cool or uncool.
I suspect the issue with turbos is three-fold:cost, packaging and maintenance. It is less expensive to make, more compact to package and easier to maintain engines that get power other than with turbos.
A turbo motorcycle would definitely be a unique riding experience, especially if there's significant lag. I'm sure the noise would be super interesting too. I'm glad that at least Kawasaki is experimenting with forced induction on bikes.
Making a belt drive shed mud or dirt is a solved problem. Gates has been selling bicycle belt drives for years that shed mud just fine: the key is to make the bottom of the sprocket grooves open so lobes of the belt can push the debris down and out through the open spaces.
The problem isn't that belt drives can't handle dirt, the problem is that Yamaha specced the SCR950 with a solid sprocket (along with many, many other mistakes they made when parts-binning that bike together).
That said, a modern x-ring chain is essentially permanently lubricated from the factory. The only reason you need to clean and "lube" them is to keep the outer surface of the chain from looking rusty.
I love listening to this while working, when you guys were talking about the different types of drives, reminded me of my old yam v star 650, (first bike) and last cruiser I ever had, it had a shaft drive and if you down shifted at higher speeds the rear wheel would churp...I know its stupid but I felt so cool at the time..lol
FYI CRF1000/CRF1100 DCT there a kit to replace left parking brake lever (which would normally be the clutch lever on manual versions) someone recently posted that he switched it out with rear brake lever in lieu of thumb brake. I saw this posted on FB Africa Twin group. This was to improve his technical use of rear brake off-roading with DCT instead of using right foot brake pedal. Might be something to look into.
An enthusiast is out riding. The bored are listening for 1:11. 😂
1:05:00 Why not use a brake lever for the DCT? It already doesn't have a clutch lever so it should be free.
Zack: You don't need a powerful bike to have fun. Small bikes are a blast.
Also Zack: We need turbos on bikes!
I'm with Spurg. The reason manufacturers don't put turbos on bikes is because they would cost more and you could buy a faster bike without a turbo for less money.
The Ryan F9 episode of HS/LS is Season 2 Episode 1 for anyone looking
Also, shame only itunes reviews matter - I can't stand apple or itunes
On the Honda NC 750 DCT, its a linked ABS system, at least locally in South Africa the DCT model comes with linked brakes. How the Honda dealers didnt know this is mad to me
"In 1978 Kawasaki offered the Z1R-TC, a semi-production model built by Turbo Cycle."
"The first production turbocharged motorcycle from the factory was the shaft-driven 1982 Honda CX500 Turbo."
Spurg- to the first question, I had a 2000 VFR (favorite bike) 5-7 years ago because they weren’t very common anymore. I did a lot too it to make it even more unique. I currently have a Superhawk now for the same reason. HMU if you’re in Chicagoland if you’re still looking to try one out. Coming from a fellow prior VFR owner, you’ll like it.
Hey guys, the NC750X’s parking brake is such that you could mount a normal looking brake lever for the rear! Please pass that along.
I definitely side with Zack on the "Turbo or not to Turbo" debate. It would be a great way to make smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient engines that perform like larger engines when needed. Downside will obviously be development costs (that get rolled into the selling price of the bike...a la Kawi H2) and maintenance. Can you imagine a new GL1800 Goldwing with the option of a Turbo? That would be awesome!! Honda, if you are listening, build it....build it, strip it down and call it the new Valkyrie! DO IT! This would absolutely quash all the haters that say you have gone soft!
Can you just use the missing clutch spot (left hand finger) on the DCT to put a rear brake lever?
Love Zach and Ari! I wish it was easier to find them on UA-cam 🥺 😜
Love the podcast.... love Daily Rider..... wish I cared enough to READ anything from commontread. Although I would love to dive in... thanks guys!!!! 😀😀
Ps. Spurg... I don’t mind you being there that much anymore...... 🤣😂😅😇
Finding it hard to find a rider community. Pretty sure my family gets tired of hearing me talk about my motorcycle. This was such a great episode.
My 2014 Honda Valkyrie is very unique, and I've never seen another one in public. People always ask me about it and are shocked that it's a Honda.
Thanks for this one ..It was very entertaining .. SO to pitch an episode : I would love a show where you have both your Dad's on and really hit the" back in my day" and modern riding ... I know you both have an affection for the timelessness of our sport ..
Hay I would second that get old guys on the show to talk bikes. That would be a blast.
Great podcast! Isn't Kawasaki making the H2/H2R with a supercharger? I saw the other day that the H2 makes 200 HP - which is insane!. side note: Sack's voice is so calming and soothing, it could relax even the most avid insomniac :). not that you are not interesting zack, but your lilty voice is very soothing :) again, another great show.
The woman that works at my house used to ride a scooter, long time ago, every since, public transport. But with the pandemic, public transport became dangerous, so we paid for her uber every day twice a day.
We ended up helping her a moped (scooter) for her health (and ours) and it ended up being cost effective. It's a chinese scooter, so it's dirt cheap.
Thank you for "Honda hugger historically."
12:30
A Finnish guy I met on the web said scooters are huge amongst teens cause they can drive at 15. I would love to see how much more integral scoot life is in certain parts of the world from their(anyone's) perspective.
yes yes yes boizzz new podcast
I agree with Spurg about the turbos. Unnecessary. Fuel infection will efficiently manage fuel/air mixture to accommodate elevation changes. And 99.9% of riders are incapable of using the performance capabilities of most bikes currently produced.
I didn't read any other comments on the matter. Just my perspective.
Great show guys.
Canyonero! Now I've got the song in my head, awesome
I would like to hear some discussion on the fueling in new bikes. I have had quite a few bikes in my life. I have been riding on road for 28 years and on dirt for 36 years. In the last 2 years I have purchased 2 brand new bikes. They are both the worst running bikes I have ever had. They have both had a throttle that turned on and off like a light switch. I ride in an extreme range of temperatures and both new bikes will have times that they hesitate, bog and even let a big pop out of the intake. Nothing is found to be wrong with them. Am I the only one that has had these negative experiences? Or is everyone ok with paying 15 grand for a new bike that runs good sometimes? Is going to turbo the solution? Automotive industry is going to turbo to create good power out of small engines and meet emissions.
most motorcycle engines just don't produce the volume of exhaust gases necessary to spool a turbo fast enough to make a impactful difference or they only do it at the upper reaches of their rev range.
AND ANOTHER THING: Go small. Smaller even. Nope, even smaller. ... smaller, ... not there yet.. smaller still. GO WITH 125ccm or less. And take your time. You'll have a blast. Small bike, small weight, small pack, small budget, small consumption. Go small, go cheap, go now.
@Ninety Four Moto depends on what kind of riding you want to do. Take your time, reduce your desires for more miles, add some joy for exploring, and you'll have fun. A buddy of mine toured over ALL of Europe on his MZ 125 naked with a budget that small it was ridiculous.
I agree. The technology is amazing and I am glad it is available, but I really enjoy my Stone Age KLR to just go out and have fun. However, on the street in heavy traffic and wide ranging weather conditions, I like the ABS on my BMW. I definitely believe technology improves safety, but I also believe it results in less skillful riders.
If you want both front and rear brakes on the handlebar, you can get a scooter. They have ones with decent power out there.
Yeah, how was that not the go to response? I feel like I missed something.
The reason there is no turbos on motorcycles, is because the bosses are like Spurge "We tried it in the 80s, and it didn't work"
They won't throw money after something they think is already proven to not work!
If you haven't yet shot the episode with Ryan, I'd like to request that you ask him about the Top Gun parody episode he did for his review of the Ninja H2 SX. It's easily my favourite video of his and it's comedy gold. I always enjoy the show!
great episode, thx guys - Turbo Bruce 4 the win 😁
Just heard this episode and realized you just talked about my planned 2022 trip: Guatemala to Alaska in a Versys 300 with my dad, who is taking a KLR650.
PLEASE GIVE ME A T SHIRT TO WEAR ON THE TRIP!!
Zack, I listen/watch in a place where I can't turn up the volume very high and there's varying amounts of background noise. As I've learned when dealing with a "masked" world, I rely more on seeing a person's speaking then I would have suspected. So if you could just lower your mic a smidge, it'd help a lot. Thanks!
Nothing gear related should EVER be mandated by law. Period. Laws should regulate actions that have potential to harm others. Never to infringe on personal responsibility for oneself.
S2R800 is the best bike ever Zack, I have one and after 80,000km its starting to hate it's life but i'll never sell it (just get more bikes lol), i knew you had taste!
Since you're talking about having people on, it'd be awesome to have a quick chat with Jensen Beeler of Asphalt and Rubber, he name drops you guys on his podcast from time to time but it'd be lovely to see a collab :)
Do you think front swing arm bikes will become more common in the future?
What do you think about hybrid motorcycles? Kawasaki are working on one.
That was fun. Took me like 3 days to listen to it all. But I'm fine with that.
I thought Ari had a KTM RC390?
I guess even the mighty Ari Henning could only tolerate so many rebuilds and teardowns.
Worst trip I ever took on a bike, 1998 riding from SC to ATLANTA, about a 4 hr. Trip took 13 hrs. Lmao it rained and I mean rained torrentially, the whole way, and it was December visiting family for christmas. On a cbr 900rr and a big pack strapped to the back. Me and a buddy froze for 13 hrs. It was memorable though .
I think the overwhelming response against Spurg regarding turbos was because he was so passionately against it and any possibility that turbos would ever be viable in motorcycles. I think if he went with a more nuanced argument it would be easier to agree with his viewpoint lol. But it was more entertaining this way :D
auto brake, not safe. engine brake on a twin 4stroke is all you need.
Great show... good threat from the peanut gallery👍
Great show. Supercharged Ninja 650, way to go.
The sad thing about Harley's "off road is our heritage" bs is I honestly think it really wasn't for us. It was for the board members who are still skeptical of innovation. They needed to remind those people why they said yes, even in the launch video.
Regarding the new rider with a leg disability, why was there no suggestion of a maxi-scooter? Could he have used a BMW C650, a Burgman, C400, or XMAX ? You already suggested the DCT transmission and a thumb break so that he wouldn’t need to worry about using his feet to shift gears or have to apply the rear brake.
In general, I would suggest meeting more motorcycle vloggers/tourers/creators on the show. I would also like to see /stamps/sections in the show.
I have the poors man gs, the strom 650xt. And I travel with it, fully loaded, gear and wife. I do need a bigger bike lol. One day I'll go for the GS
Versys X-300 vs. R1250GSA would be a good video.
Spurg: On the Bonneville (or any other naked) did the wind noise do your head in on your cross-country trips? Wearing plugs for days on end seems an uncomfortable hassle...
Small clip on windscreen on the Bonnie was a lifesaver. Hate the way it looks, but it works. I used one that I clip on for a long ride and take off for around town riding.
Hey Spurge.o know how you feel I have a Royal Enfield interceptor
Hi.
Im A rider and has been for about 6 years, has A ktm 500exc 2013 for 3 of them and i now ride an R6 2000.
I want to go more for A touring/adventure route and im not sure to go all the way to A Africa twin 1000ccm or go for the smaller t7.🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Do you guys have any inputs/pros ans cons of the two?
Btw i love the show, have listen to all 3 seasons🙌🏼🙌🏼
Stupid question.. how do you leave an Apple iTunes review? lol This is the only podcast I listen to, I have tried 3 or 4 others and none held my interest. I figured this at the very least warranted a review on iTunes, but I couldnt figure out how to leave a review. Thanks Apple for making me feel stupid. While not all episodes appeal to me, I have been enjoying them, the banter between Zack and Spurg. I really enjoyed the dream trips ep, and my top pick I think would be the same as Spurg.
You mean like the time Ari and Zack modified the honda monkeys
why no turbo? Torque curve and predictable power
Why not a Suzuki Bergman for the disabled guy? A 400 or 650 does everything you need, and is step through. The most obvious answer.
I definitely blame the necessity of a motor vehicle for the increased sizes of motorcycles and cars in the US. Most of our towns and cities grew after cars were invented. In many cases, this leads to many more sprawling suburban areas in the US instead of actual metropolitan cities. Take this, mixed with large rural swathes, connected by highways, and usually poor or entirely absent public transportation, all of which make cars mandatory. In europe, a family might own a car, but it will be used far less. Therefore, a european's car might be seen as more of a tool, rather than a defining part of your everyday life.
The bigger prius is the RAV4 Prime and they are selling like hotcakes.