@@exjehovahswitness Where . . Is THIS Found in the Scriptures ?? 🤔 ( a Second version of Lots story ? . . Or Something I OVERLOOKED that's been there all the time ???🙆 )
@@akatheheretic3014 judges 19 to 21. It was a Levites concubine, the Benjaminites wanted to have sex with him, but instead he gave her to them. She was raped to death, then cut up into pieces and bits of her were sent to the other tribes. End of the story, the Benjaminites were allowed to take 600 women for themselves. Doesn't seem the women had any choice, but God seemed to approve.
If I remember the story right, it’s never praised or said that God approved of doing this. The same goes with the guy who said I’ll sacrifice the first thing I see to God, and it ended up being his daughter. The text does not say that God approved (or didn’t approve) of this, it’s just told as a story.
This is honestly so sweet. My exit was lonely, I enjoyed hearing what it would've been like to have a best friend who was also going through waking up. Even though you didn't end up together, it must have been nice to have the silent support from your partner to keep you going to finish your last service year, the visiting a bar on your break from cart witnessing sounds iconic. Thanks for sharing
It was nice to do funny stuff after we were both awake. Another cute one was doing staring contest during prayer. Glad you enjoyed and hope things are good for you now
sent an email February 22nd 2021 To the Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I hereby disassociate myself from the of Jehovah’s Witness and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, effective immediately. I regret that I won’t see my real friends anymore that have supported me over the years but that’s only few friends, this is necessary for my mental health. I feel it’s best to leave this and move with my life. Please do not contact me in anyway by phone, letter, email or text or come by my address, I make this absolutely clear no contact at all. I have made my decision and that’s that. No further details need.
I had an online acquaintance who was an ex-JW that eventually committed suicide because of their shunning policy. I brought up that fact when an elderly woman and her young granddaughter rang the bell. The woman was so proud as she listened to her granddaughter given her spiel, but when I mentioned the suicide the woman had zero sympathy at all. In fact, she claimed that if they didn't shun there would be even more suicides. This really angered me and I gave her a piece of my mind.
@@exjehovahswitness hay brother have you tried evangelical churches by any chance? I know you might be traumatized by religion in general because of your experience but not all churches are evil cults like JWs, I once was an atheist as well in the past.
Much respect to you! I know how you feel. I’m just a random white guy but I went through the same process with mormonism. Quite a twin religion to JW honestly. I’m so many ways. My family doesn’t recognize me. The journey is lonely…but even with that I have never felt happier in my life. A sense of integrity to myself that I never had growing up.
Wally. I could listen to you for hours. And I revel in details. I look forward to the more extensive exposition, if you have time. Details make all more appealing. Most ex-JWs agree on the major issues but it's the details that enrich and reinforce the weave of deception and silliness the WT created over the years.
Thanks, I really enjoy your videos. I can clearly remember many times saying to myself "If I wasn't here I would die, but if I stay I feel like I'm dying because I feel trapped, but if I don't develop this forced feeling of a naturally loving relationship with Jehovahs organization then I would die." That went on for years, and when I finally said "enough!" I felt so much better.
I am almost afraid to say that I have always had questions about the bible and it was not just the interpretation of the organization but what the bible said about many things. This is something that is much larger than the Jehovah's Witness Organization. It has been difficult but I have started to research information on the gospels and who wrote them and I have found some very interesting information about the differences in how and why people wrote during that time and a lot of other stuff that I can't begin to get into. At this point in my life I don't believe in much of anything. I still pray to God and thank him for everything and try to be a good person in general.
I’m starting to feel the same. Maybe it’s just our need for some kind of hope, but I still believe in a creator. I try my hardest to understand what that creator thinks of us and capture the meaning of everything that surrounds us. In the end, even if everything around me becomes dust, I’ll try my best to become a good person who leaves something meaningful behind in this world. Keep on growing 👍
That's why I became an athiest, no evedence any god of religions a proof, lots of things, written in the Bible don't make sense, plus women are treated as second class
@@stephintheatre6335 I tried to make sense of the Bible my whole life and so many things just did not make sense. I internalized for a long time thinking something was wrong with me because everyone around me had so much faith in what they read. It is good that we can share our true feelings on things we probably have kept to ourselves for years.
I’m a convert to Catholicism (ex Protestant) and one thing I love about my tradition is that a wide range of interpretations are allowed for Biblical texts, and things such as the slaughter of the Canaanites can be interpreted as being perhaps loosely based on history but actually serving didactic and apologetic purposes for the communities that wrote and preserved them. My understanding is that, for example, the evidence suggests Jericho didn’t have walls at the time the exodus was supposed to have taken place, thus the takedown of that city couldn’t have happened as a literal historical event exactly as described. Key to understanding the Bible is genre awareness. And yes, we do believe the Bible is inspired by God, but it’s also not a self interpreting text and must be read in light of the ancient Tradition of the Church, since the Church is the custodian of Scripture. Furthermore, what the Scripture writers most ardently agree as being literal history (namely, the Death and Resurrection of Christ, and His basic teachings) is thus the hinge on which all Scriptural interpretation should turn. Particularly brutal passages in the OT are troublesome, but most generally they aren’t proscriptive into perpetuity, and we also must wrestle with the fact that God worked within ancient cultures that had some bad practices (such as slavery, concubinage, etc). Sometimes structures of sin were tolerated for a time only to be abolished later (eg Jesus’s forbidding of divorce after Moses had allowed it). What you have in the NT is a certain historical core of events that even liberal scholars will admit probably happened (such as the Crucifixion, the Empty Tomb, and the Disciples’ subjective experience of Jesus’ life continuing in a resurrected form after His death. I believe the best explanation of those facts is that Jesus rose from the Dead. The rest of the Bible should be interpreted in the light of the sure revelation we have in the life and teachings of Christ. This is my take-I won’t be returning to defend it in depth so I would advise anyone against a long-winded takedown. If you don’t agree you don’t agree. Just wanted to point out that it’s possible to take the Bible seriously as revelation wi th out thinking it all must be literal history. There are a variety of genres in the Bible, including probably some fable, myth, etc. it doesn’t mean that ipso facto everything in it is fake-that’s an overly simplistic way of reading the texts.
Hi Wally, I'm a new subscriber and I really enjoy your content and ZZ! I've been binge listening to your content as I drive and as long haul trucker you've helped me stay awake many a mile! Lol! I remember when I was waking up I had my grandparents theocratic library going all the way back to russle as my great grandmother was a " culporter" back at the turn of the last century. Reading their own material woke me up as I was at that time terrified of reading anything apostate. Their own literature is condemning of them. The final straw was a Thursday night meeting when a letter was read from the society saying they would give us a new construction loan at 3 or 4%. I immediately turned to Luke where jesus stated DONT loan to your brothers with interest. That was the straw that broke the camel's back! The elder opened it up to questions from the congregation and I asked why we were being charged interest when THE BIBLE says DONT charge your brother interest? You could have heard a pin drop! Of course I was hauled into the library as soon as we said " amen" by 3 elders. Interesting fun fact, the new 2013 bible REMOVED the word " interest" and relegated it to a footnote where as the old 1984 bible has it in the verse itself. Once again they change the bible. Thanks again for your work and effort into making these videos and I'm glad you popped up on my feed. Cheers! Zach
Thanks for sharing your interesting story with the community Wally! Love your calm and warm demeanor...Hope you have a part #3 because I'm all 👂ears! 🙌💜💛💚
I love what you're doing! I was a pioneer and part of a "spiritually exemplary" family. When I left, my family immediately shunned me, and the elders kept calling me and asking for damning information about my activities. They were trying to rope me into a judiciary meeting. I told them to mind their own business. They eventually just made an announcement at a meeting that I was no longer one of jehovah's witnesses
Hello. As a former born in JW I applaud you for opening your mind and realizing WT doesn’t speak the truth of any kind and they certainly are not an authority on biblical theology or history. I HIGHLY recommend two books for you. One is ‘Is God a moral monster’ by Paul Copan and The Unseen Realm by Dr. Michael Heiser who is an ancient near east scholar and Semitic languages expert. Both of these books helped open my eyes about so many false beliefs that many orgs, groups, individuals or churches have on the biblical narrative and interpretation. Dr. Heiser is my favorite scholar and really down to earth. He’s not a wealthy evangelist looking for a following to use for his gain like the WT. his goal is to take high peer reviewed information and pass it on to the lay person who’s not working toward a PhD in Hebrew or biblical studies. Scholars view the Bible every differently from pastors, deacons, etc and what I have learned has blown my mind. It’s really awesome stuff. Understanding an ancient book/books require understanding the worldview of those who wrote it and the audience they were writing it to. The Unseen Realm was a real eye opener and has assisted me in speaking to JW’s as well as Muslims(which I have a deep personal understanding of) about the proper context of this ancient book we call the Bible. I hope you’ll check out these books and especially The Unseen Realm. It’s 100% PEER REVIEWED so everything in it is backs up by other scholars.
melleetheka and JW Thoughts To those who plan to, or have read Paul Copan’s book ‘Is God a Moral Monster’, I would definitely recommend also reading ‘Is God a Moral Compromiser?’ by Thom Stark! Stark considers himself a Christian, but his book is a weighty reaction to Copan’s apologetic defences of the biblical atrocities, and where he takes Copan’s arguments and scriptural interpretations, deals with them and analyse them one by one. So if you find ‘comfort’ in Copan’s book, then read Stark, and you be the judge!
@@crashingkite already have. I wasn’t blown away by his arguments. Check out The Unseen Realm by Dr. Michael Heiser. Now THAT is a fascinating book. And a side note about atrocities in biblical history. I think we can look into the world today and see horrible atrocities happening on the basis of personal feelings and “right to choose” so unless you can condemn the systematic murder of unborn humans you shouldn’t point your finger at the killing of anyone and call it evil.
I'm so happy it sounds like you and your ex were able to part ways on good terms and move on to happier lives. For some of us, marriage based on JW just feels a little "off" after waking up.
Thank you. The more stories there are about leaving, the more we normalize sanity. What a poignant telling of such an impossible situation! I wish you and your ex continued happiness in your freedom. I know leaving is less than half of the battle. My father conducts a ZOOM study around this time every Saturday morning. I’ve been thinking about sending his student key facts that would result in my father (a studious man by any JW standard) to consult research materials unavailable on JW Library. Of course I’d prefer a direct approach, but the ice is razor thin at this point and I pick my battles.
When you said that you are only picking the important parts because otherwise it would be 3 hour long video... I was pretty sad. I'd listen to that 3 hour long version. 😍💙
Thank you for your time in sharing your experience and uploading the video! I subscribed! I’m a PIMO for 2 years now and lately I’m beginning to have doubts in the Old Testament. I’m getting worried 😟 But I think I’m going to believe that there is a Creator and left us here. He will not intervene in any of our problems- we as humans and individuals will need to do the decisions and act to resolve our problems all our lives to at the end just leave our thoughts, findings, inventions to newer generations- it’s a cycle and finally die! Anyway just to say thank you! For sharing! Regards from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷! Hopefully expecting to see more of your videos!
I enjoyed my time in Puerto Rico! That's where we went on our honeymoon. One of my favorite historical figures is Thomas Jefferson and he was a deist. The God you are describing is the classic deistic god and I fully understand why you believe. Thank you so much for subscribing and please check back in anytime!
Hi Wally, I stumbled upon your channel recently and have been going through your backlog. I'm ex-JW but got out in the mid-90s around age 14 thanks to my parents' divorce (and mom's subsequent DF) I haven't finished this video yet, but the bible story from Judges that you retell around 2:45 is one of my foundational memories from my childhood. I was reading through the entire bible from a very young age, because my dad would have me copy bible verses to keep me awake during meetings. The most gruesome bible passages became my favorite and most memorable, and I would question why God's people would treat women like this and why I had to wear a skirt to the kingdom hall, why good women got treated worse than bad men and related it back to behavior I saw in real life, etc. And he would call me a witch or wicked at age 5/6. 🙃 Despite my very precocious feminism and skepticism, I still believed in these teachings literally for awhile, and was a good little witness eager for baptism, until the treatment of my mom after df started waking me up when I was 10.
I really enjoyed listening to your story and I enjoy your videos! I have no experience as a witness but grew up in an extremely devoted evangelical household with my dad both a missionary and a pastor. Slowly over the years I came to different conclusions about my faith than I was raised to have. It’s a really tough thing to go through in your head and it’s nice to hear from someone who understands even though we didn’t unbrainwash ourselves out of the same sect. I’m glad that I found this channel!
Great video, thanks! I noticed the same about Genesis: In the first creation account, god makes all the animals in neat order and then makes humans, both man and woman. In the second account, he makes Adam first, then he makes all the animals and lets Adam name them. But since Adam can't find a proper "mate" among the animals (I found that super curious!), he takes Adam's rib and makes Eve. I went back and forth between the two stories, and they just don't jibe. I admire that you got all the way to Judges! I think I got as far as Genesis chapter 4 LOL.
What do PIMO, POMI PIMI and POMO mean? The terms PIMO, POMI, PIMI, and POMO, are abbreviations commonly used within certain communities to describe different states of mind and belief. Here's a breakdown of their meanings: PIMO: Physically In and Mentally Out. This term is often used by individuals who are physically present within a particular group or organization (such as a religious or ideological group) but mentally have disassociated themselves or no longer believe in the teachings or principles of that group. It can be associated with a state of "waking up" to the inconsistencies or flaws within the group's beliefs. POMO: Physically Out and Mentally Out. This term refers to individuals who have both physically left the group or organization and mentally disassociated themselves from its beliefs and practices. It signifies a state of freedom, liberty, and happiness from the constraints or control of the group. PIMI: Physically In and Mentally In. This term is used to describe individuals who are both physically and mentally committed to a particular group or organization. They adhere to its beliefs, practices, and principles, often without questioning or critically evaluating them. It can be associated with a sense of being "enslaved" to the group's ideology or dogma. POMI: Physically Out but Mentally In. This term refers to individuals who have physically left the group or organization but still hold on to its beliefs or mindset. They may have left due to various reasons but haven't fully let go of the group's teachings or ideology. It can be associated with a state of fanatical adherence or being mentally trapped in the group's influence. These terms are primarily used within the context of religious or ideological communities and represent different stages of belief and disengagement. They serve as a way for individuals to express and identify their current mindset and relationship with a specific group or organization. #PIMO = Physically In and Mentally Out = Wake-up #POMO = Physically Out and Mentally Out = Freedom / Liberty / Happiness #PIMI = Physically In and Mentally In = Slavery / Zombification #POMI = Physically Out but Mentally In= Fanaticism / Slavery To get your freedom you must change from PIMO to POMO if you do not want to be a POMI. #Oudjahramalegba #Zanmounda
That's actually awesome that y'all got interviewed at your last assembly while you were already awake! Sucks that I was still mentally in when I gave my last assembly interview 😭
Haha, I remember when I was the interviewer and the circuit overseer talked to me about one of the sisters shoes. The heel was an inch to long and they were open toed. So This poor girl bought new shoes just for this assembly part and I had to tell her that in one area of her shoes there was to much material but in the other area of her shoes there was to little. It's actually wild how much goes in to those assembly parts.
@@exjehovahswitness I know what you mean about how fake the interviews feel! You never look at the assemblies the same again after seeing things from behind the scenes. Somehow we thought it was a badge of honor back then. Lol
@@andrewxjw Oh I remember going to assemblies or conventions and not having a part and feeling like I was a loser! One time I wasn't asked to be an attendant because I recently switched congregations and I was actually upset. The way they make you feel special by doing free work is so clever.
@@Ava2969ny Repression, not knowing how to deal with reality, fear of shunning, having their true selves ripped away in place of a hive mind. The list would go on not so?
@@exjehovahswitness - I just don't understand why some ex-jw's don't consider therapy; so sad to hear about people taking their lives; but I could understand the despair due to having lived a certain way for a number of years, and not knowing how to adjust.
Wow, I remember having the exact same experience in a KH one day. I was reading Judges by myself and came across the story of the man handing the virgins over to the mob and thinking that this is just the story of Lot but without the angelic deus-ex-machina. I was stunned. I wanted to nudge my wife and say 'How did I ever miss this before.' Bizzare what being indoctrinated can do to you.
Thanks for sharing your unique story... you missed out on the opportunity of a lifetime - I'm not talking about everlasting life, I'm talking about going off-script during your assembly interview. You could have thrown them a curveball for the ages 😅
Watching archeological channels to understand biblical history. Horrified always about the account of the concubine, even Hagar and Esther. Her cousin pimped her out to a king who murdered people. Thanks for sharing.
Well done. Good pick up on Judges 19 and Genesis 19. Also judges 20 is the same as 1 Samuel 4 and judges 21 is numbers 31. I think the reason for the writer going overboard on the dark side is found at the beginning of judges 19 and the end of 21. "In these days there was no king" Its saying if there is no monarchy then really bad stuff is going to happen. Obviously man made agenda. Again great video. Thanks for sharing
If you’re reading the original Hebrew of Esther, it barely mentions a Deity so it’s tough to infer at least from the Hebrew version that ipso facto God must approve of this. It’s a story set in a certain time period and thus of course moral sensibilities changing with time will reveal the more messed up aspects. Just like in a post Me-too world, many of us cannot watch the scene from the Sandlot in which the bespectacled kid forces a French kiss on the female lifeguard. Yes, these are kids, but still-it’s really not funny and we shouldn’t have found it funny in the 90s if we had been morally reasoning in a consistent way.
I knew that the Bible was written by many people and edited with words, sentences, paragraphs, and entire books added and removed , when I was 10. It shocks me that people don’t know that
I didn't become atheist, but the Bible really has some issues. Some folks are suggesting the "god" of the Old Testament was actually an ET with an attitude.
I love your story. I was disfellowshipped, reinstated, and subsequently faded out in Seattle in 2007. Are you still friends with your EX? Very interesting you both faded out and then broke up. I thought perhaps that would draw you closer!
Isn’t it funny how almost at once, when one wakes up, the lies and fairytales of Watchtower all come tumbling down, either seemingly all at once or sort of in a domino type of effect, one after the other. Thank you for sharing your story, I’m sure it will be of help to someone one (probably to many) in their own search for “The Truth”, pun completely and utterly intended. 🤔🇨🇺🇺🇸
Thanks for telling your story. I was born in but left 20 yrs ago. Was wondering what you thought when you said you looked up and saw everybody singing Listen obey and be blessed. That's such a "culty'" song... Lol....is that how you felt? That song is their greatest brainwashing song yet IMO. 😂
It was a callback to my intro video but I was giving the last part on a meeting when I realized everyone looked like a drone and that night began my awakening!
"Listen, obey and be blessed" could be a wonderful idea when referring to young children's attitude to their parents (at least good normal parents). But it gets really creepy when that involves an organization. Any organization.
@@Linda-ux8un Good question Linda. On the surface, it may seem like a harsh statement to make, but according to a definition from Oxford Languages, it states: /do͞omd/: adjective - likely to have an unfortunate and inescapable outcome; ill-fated. "the moving story of their doomed love affair" Therefore, if Wally continues in his destructive course by proactively attempting to invalidate the authenticity of God's word as found in the sacred scriptures of the Bible thereby sowing seeds of doubt in the hearts innocent ones, who are searching for, and earnestly yearning to learn the truth, he will have an "unfortunate outcome", especially when Almighty God Jehovah destroys suchlike ones at Armaggedon. (Isaiah 9:17; Revelation 21:8; Proverbs 11:9) So yes, as I stated before, "he's doomed." The word-name Satan was appropriate to use as Jesus did when addressing Peter, since the word is derived from Hebrew; a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose". (Matthew 16:23) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan#:~:text=The%20original%20Hebrew%20term%20%C5%9B%C4%81%E1%B9%AD%C4%81n,%22to%20obstruct%2C%20oppose%22. Jesus even warned those who stumble little ones (innocent, or inexperienced children) when he said, "But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have hung around his neck a millstone that is turned by a donkey and to be sunk in the open sea." (Matthew 18:6) So no Linda, there was no connotation of judgement, or condemnation intended in my comment. Only God can judge and condemn to death. (Ecclesiastes 3:17) But even if I were to condemned his words, or denounce his efforts; which I do, it still wouldn't be wrong of me to do so. I am on God's side. Jehovah will have no mercy on apostates and evildoers when He executes righteous judgement and makes His enemies vanish like smoke. (Psalms 37:9, 10, 20; Isaiah 9:17) www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&lank=pub-jwb_202009_11_VIDEO Liinda, please protect yourself from liars and deceivers. I wish you peace, and pray that one day Jehovah God will bless you with the truth found in His word the Bible. (John 4:24; 17:17) Take care.
Same exact story here. The brotherhood is the second most difficult thing to leave . The first is realizing that my heartfelt prayers have been a joke 😢. Truly GUTTING. The most damaging thing I did for my faith was to read the Bible with an open mind.
I wasn't JW I grew up catholic, just some family I have was JW and I spent a whole summer going to JW church as a child. But I lost a lot of faith the second I started actually reading the Bible and asking questions
The Washington gang is in the house, I’m in Lynnwood. Thanks for sharing Wally. I think your next video could touch on how you faded without having the elders confront you or track you down. Also where did things end with your family.
Also the story of Noah is just a retelling of an ancient Sumerian fable where "Noah"'s name is Utnapishtim. The story makes more sense when you realize the reason the world was flooded was because the other gods were angry at mankind and wanted to eradicate them however the god Ea favored them and protected them. Just a pagan fable, nothing more.
Thank you. Your video is very sincere and from the heart. I too have left the JW organisation and I felt it was so difficult too. They will label you as apostate - this is crap. You are a just capable to think for yourself. And you are brave enough to walk your own path. If friends reject you. They were never good friends away. I hope you have the help and support you need. Perhaps one day I will make a UA-cam video of my own story. Well done.
I’m so sorry for the crap you went though. The JW organization is a cult ,and you were lied to. God still loves you and I hope you find the path that brings you clarity and peace.
@@exjehovahswitness having realized that you were owned by eight of snow whites dwarfs that said they speak for god; do you find it amusing that others profess that same egomaniacal ability?
With all the bible study JWs do, you'd think that contradictions in the bible would come up more? I was raised Christian fundamentalist, weekly Bible study, Sunday school, auxiliary, multiple church meetings, youth groups, (my dad was the equivalent of an Elder) and the contradictions became noticeable and I started to question things by the time I became a teenager. My family said it was just a phase, but I never outgrew reason...
Wow😱, this is the 1st I've even heard of that story, also i can't help it i have to say that i love and appreciate your videos and it doesn't hurt that you're eye candy for sure👀😊, sorry,.....carry on
Pretty much. I can be a bit intense so there might have been some fear associated with it. My dad said that I was to smart for him and so he couldn't offer any help. He's an elder
@@exjehovahswitness I'd support you all the way, I was a jw.for 46years,I'm 80 years old and have been inactive for about 2 years now, after finding the internet has opened my eyes to so much going on in the Organisation, I'm now a conscienceous objector to the GB. My observation over the years is that most JWs are good people but they are being treated as slaves (me included)the parallel I see today is the same situation as God's people under slavery to pharoe NWT Exodus 5v9 "make them work harder, and keep them busy so that they will not pay attention to lies "sounds familiar eh ! All the best for the future and hi from Australia.
@@justinthyme3396 Oh goodness! Thanks for the support and happy that you enjoy the videos. I do like talking with people who have been in the organization for a long time so if you want feel free to send me an email! Cheers
Hey, can you clarify what question you were trying to answer about Noah? I'd love to do something like that but I'm unaware the issue you were proving? Was the issue about how long it rained or how long they were on the ark or something else? And does is there a contradiction in WT pubs?
I know this video is a year old... But parts l & ll have been amazing so far... Funny... We don't wake up/ let go overnight... I was jw for roughly 30yrs ... Yet , Was I happy??? From 2007-12 I achieved my wildest dreams when I was a Min Serv... With all the privledges that comes with it... Definitely an amazing time... But again.. Was I happy... In 2012 I did something I never thought possible.... I fell desperately for a non jw Co worker and haven't been the same since. In speaking with her, she described how in 2003/4 she gave birth to her daughter but after wards started hemorging to the point where she needed 2 separate blood transfusions that saved her life.. At moment... Thinking of ALL THE WITTNESSES that have died over the years for NOT ACCEPTING BLOOD... It really made me sick.... I'm now happier than I ever was as a jw... Thank you for your videos Man
@@exjehovahswitness It is a confusing 📖. So maybe. Like obviously days were not literal days and days were not 1000 years. Some 🧔🏾 got tales and allegories from Africa, twisted them further and jotted them down in the Bible.
@@exjehovahswitness I know. But it’s the best I got. The Bible does not come with a manual that explains the stories. To this point, do you know anyone that has used the Book of Revelations to predict future events. So comment about Genesis is guesswork, but it’s all I got.
The alternative is to read the bible at it's word and not assume anything supernatural. But I very much appreciate the honesty that you approach these issues with.
Excellent question Unfortunately it is very difficult to “WAKE” someone unless they. Are willing to be awaken That is why facts, proofs, evidence and documentation rarely work You are attempting to destroy their world and they want to hold on to their dream Wally describes very well how difficult it is to wake up people If is the very definition of being on a cult All you can do is test the water and back up if not they will shutdown completely Just make sure you are mentally prepared for the backlash
@@WJTM88 thanks for the warning but i will try coz they are financially dependent on me. This WT are discouraging JW to look for a descent job or else u will be tagged as materialistic...
I've always ,been curious about the number 40 ....Moses ,was 40 years old when he left Egipt and stayed there,in the desert for another 40 years ....Noah spent 120 years building the ark which is 3 times 40 ..and then it rained for 40 days and nights .. Jesus,spent 40 days alone in the desert .
I’ve been to,d that 40 is just a default for a really big number, a bit like stories use “a year and a day” for a long but not actually specified length of time
An even more ghoulish thing is if a male child (as long as they can read & stand at the podium on a stool) on the TMS has this part in the reading, the elders won't pass this on to an adult male, the child will read it. I remember sitting like 😳 while a small boy read a very sexually charged passage. Like you couldn't call up someone older?
In Genesis chapter 1 it says God. In chapter 2 Lord God, because in chapter 2 He is called Lord God , because it is about relationship with humans. Really enjoying your vids, glad you got free .
Wow looks like that was hard at times for you to recall your story. All of my family are out except my parents. I was the last to leave of 7 children. We were all born in.. My parents are treating me differently then the rest of of my siblings even though they have been out for 2 decades, but they faded and l disassociated so in their minds they think its different but it's all the same to me. I'm surprised you were able to just fade out being a pioneer. Seems like they would have been hounding you down like the FBI once they didn't see you at the hall. I disassociated because l was used too much in the congregation and just fading wouldn't have been enough for me. I wanted to cut all ties. How were you able to just fade? Is your family treating you like you disassociated yourself?
Yeah actually had all of the Territory records for my congregation too and I deleted the whole thing! Sure that pissed some people off. The other elders only came by once to check in and I think I got one maybe two phone calls. Normally they would hound you like crazy but for whatever reason they pretty much left me alone.
@@exjehovahswitness hmmm that's interesting, well I'm sure they got the point that you were OUT! Lol.. by the way l never got the scripture verse you were talking about in your video about the woman who was raped and died and her husband dismembered her, you happen to have the scripture? Remember the scripture with Lot and his two daughters that got him drunk and had sex with him and both got pregnant? Weird huh? I guess Lot was potent those two nights! 🤣
It's the first time I'm seeing this and I haven't read the blog. I have questions: From what I understand, for you the Noah timeline didn't make sense; for other people was feasibility of building an ark and putting all the animals in there; for others the feeding and cleaning... Dudes, I can solve everything with miracles and god intervention. All problems are now solved related to that subject. Why would anyone lose their faith because of it? Now, my real question is: if you have a god that killed and ordered the killing of hundreds of thousands, including infants, why would timelines bother you? There's more than enough there to realize that there's something terrible wrong.
Hello friend, I came across your videos, which are actually very informative, but I don't know if I can ask you for advice, you see, my uncle is a Jehovah's Witness and has leukemia, it is in an accelerated stage, luckily my blood is compatible with his, but he The only problem is that his religion does not allow him to have the transfusion, and I am very concerned about his well-being. I would like you to give me ideas on how to convince him to continue with the transfusion.
I can’t imagine holding back on what you found to be untrue and still go to the meetings....No fricking way....But good for you and your expire for doing it.... I also faded.....
I also faded 1997 out by 2001. By 2001 I hadn’t gone to but one meeting. Then I moved. No explanation. I never received a call from anyone. I went to a professional to be completely deprogrammed.
@@exjehovahswitness I agree.. there were many times I went to the meetings and sat there thinking WTH! The metting were extremely boring, from the songs to the talks 😕 I kept thinking this chit is fake as hell.. I guess I was PIMO!! It was very stressful.. Freedom never tasted so GOOD!!
I think it's kind of strange of you to say there are contradictions in genesis 1 and 2. You say that you find it strange that only God is mentioned in the first chapter and Jehovah God in the 2nd chapter. What does His Name mean Wally? "I Will Become" What was not there in the beginning and what was there later in chapter 2?
@@exjehovahswitness You leaving Jehovah's witnesses to where John 6:66-68?and who is the name of the only true God according to the bible John 17:1-3,1Corinthians 8:5-6?
Just thought I would comment on your insight @ around 3:45 as your basis for discounting the bible and becoming an atheist. I am not writing to justify some of the evils that are recorded in the bible, but really, are you expecting all Sunshine, Rainbows and Unicorns in the bible? That was an ugly story, but think of some of the things that go on today, as far as human trafficking and abuse of Women as second class citizens. Again I am not writing to justify the actions of the Levite in the story, But it was a male dominated world then, much as it is in most of the world today, only with great strides and progress in the modern western world today. But then (biblical time thousands of years ago) the man would have been totally humiliated and demeaned in the male society of his time, lose his position as he was a Levite, so to sacrifice the women as it were, (to them at the time was not a big deal) "gasp" I know that sounds terrible in todays modern culture, but that's the way is was. So this should not discount the veracity of the bible.
the story of the "levites concubine" in the book of judges 19-21. I always that was a parable because a huge war ensued afterwards. But it wasn't a re-telling i think it was more for instruction because the wife was upset with him and she went away. Then he had to go after a bunch of things were happening I need to find it and read it again 😆
Those stories so demeaning to women and the condoning and promotion of slavery that demeans us all, should be enough to ban the bible as hate literature. My waking up was triggered by god's use of stoning and seeing a filmic representation of this that was so sickening, I wanted nothing more to do with a god who commanded this as a punishment. Your cat is sweet; a man who is gentle with an animal is ok in my book!
I wish i could have an hour or two to discuss some of the issues you struggle with, the bible say that we all know there is YWHW our creator ... i hope the poison of the JW. org hasn't condemned you to never come back and understand the tremendous depth and tapestry of scripture , God most High and the Christ he sent as a spotless lamb of sacrifice ... will be praying ... Love and hope to you !!!
@@exjehovahswitness not really sure how to do that but where do you live, i am in n.o.la . also remember secular historians are often atheist too when reading history books !!! hit me back
@@kramsdrawde8159 well I am happy to speak on the phone. There are historians. While some might claim to be "biblical historians" I tend to get suspicious because the person should not interfere with the scholarship. obviously I understand that there are many who do great work that give themselves this moniker.
I just read the story of Noahs flood, and yeah, it's a little contradictory timeline wise. It started on the second month and seventeenth day, and rained for forty days (with springs opening up from the grounds). The ark was afloat for a further 150 days before landing on Ararat .... AFTER 40 days and nights of rain! It continues by asserting that on the seventh month and seventeenth day it was on Ararat.!? Really! I never read it properly before! Now bear this in mind. Rome standardized the calender with about 30 days per month as late as 1582! YES 15 mother fuckin 82! Before that Rome hadn't made it's mind up and nobody actually KNEW how long a month was because it was inconsistent. Now, how many days in a month were there in Noahs day?
You're on to something with questioning our current conception of calendars. But Remember that God shouldn't need you to explain his perfect word. It should be able to speak for itself and if not, provide a scripture that gives imperfect men the right to interpret his perfect word.
@@exjehovahswitness I don't want to take a side on this from a translatatory point of view either, because the scrolls weren't discovered all in one immaculate batch AND in English. Often when new scraps are discovered extensive work is done to patch things together so that things make sense. When christians were being persecuted and their scrolls burned, some were able preserve parts of their collections. Time however wasn't so forthcoming. When discovered many of them crumbled, and it has taken centuries to restore from sources all around the Mediterrainian. It's important to compensate for these issues when reading the bible. I don't know what to believe personally. I left the Witnesses back in 98, I was disfellowshipped a year later after I was discovered by other witnesses in another town. (I used to live in a close knit town.) I live in Japan now though and went to a meeting 5 years ago, I didn't recognize any of the songs and it was all high tech with no physical bibles. I was the ONLY one with a physical copy of the bible, it felt strange.
@@EX-JW-SJD Again you are on the right track in asking if we can rely on the current bible we have and why a God would make it so hard for us to know his message. How is life in Japan because here in America we can't seem to work out how to deal with a virus!?
@@exjehovahswitness well for me personally, my life hasn't changed in 12 years. I work on a farm in the middle of nowhere. Japan was slow to testing and made alot of stupid politically charged mistakes, however not on the level of England and America and Austrialia made. There were badly hit areas and even now it's still around, but to be honest I cant comment too much as I don't follow the news that often, it depresses me.
Study History along with Hebrew and Greek . You will start to see that English is terrible at conveying what the Bible actually means. The word love has multiple different meanings in greek. The books apart of Bible cannon where even written in different literary styles . It is almost impossible to fully understand the Bible in the viewpoint of modern civilization without constant study and research.
I'm so glad you covered the story of the concubine. Everyone else seems to ignore this one. This always disturbed me.
Pretty crazy stuff but retold stories run rampant in the bible
Who's Concubine is being discussed here ?? 🤔🤔
( Inquiring minds , Want to Know ! 😮)
@@exjehovahswitness
Where . . Is THIS Found in the Scriptures ?? 🤔
( a Second version of Lots story ? . . Or Something
I OVERLOOKED that's been there all the time ???🙆 )
@@akatheheretic3014 judges 19 to 21. It was a Levites concubine, the Benjaminites wanted to have sex with him, but instead he gave her to them. She was raped to death, then cut up into pieces and bits of her were sent to the other tribes. End of the story, the Benjaminites were allowed to take 600 women for themselves. Doesn't seem the women had any choice, but God seemed to approve.
If I remember the story right, it’s never praised or said that God approved of doing this. The same goes with the guy who said I’ll sacrifice the first thing I see to God, and it ended up being his daughter. The text does not say that God approved (or didn’t approve) of this, it’s just told as a story.
This is honestly so sweet. My exit was lonely, I enjoyed hearing what it would've been like to have a best friend who was also going through waking up. Even though you didn't end up together, it must have been nice to have the silent support from your partner to keep you going to finish your last service year, the visiting a bar on your break from cart witnessing sounds iconic. Thanks for sharing
It was nice to do funny stuff after we were both awake. Another cute one was doing staring contest during prayer. Glad you enjoyed and hope things are good for you now
I just did it disassociated myself this week!
nice! how did you do it?
sent an email
February 22nd 2021
To the Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I hereby disassociate myself from the of Jehovah’s Witness and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, effective immediately.
I regret that I won’t see my real friends anymore that have supported me over the years but that’s only few friends, this is necessary for my mental health.
I feel it’s best to leave this and move with my life.
Please do not contact me in anyway by phone, letter, email or text or come by my address, I make this absolutely clear no contact at all.
I have made my decision and that’s that.
No further details need.
Good for you man. Did it feel good sending that?
@@exjehovahswitness yup
Now your a free man FREEDOM is a gift from God
I had an online acquaintance who was an ex-JW that eventually committed suicide because of their shunning policy. I brought up that fact when an elderly woman and her young granddaughter rang the bell. The woman was so proud as she listened to her granddaughter given her spiel, but when I mentioned the suicide the woman had zero sympathy at all. In fact, she claimed that if they didn't shun there would be even more suicides. This really angered me and I gave her a piece of my mind.
wow that is super messed up
What happened after that? How did the woman justify saying there would be more without the shunning? I really need to know!
@@exjehovahswitness hay brother have you tried evangelical churches by any chance? I know you might be traumatized by religion in general because of your experience but not all churches are evil cults like JWs, I once was an atheist as well in the past.
That has to be the best story of leaving the JW's. It cracks me up that you actually gave a talk knowing it was all just BS. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it
"If you say ['This is the inspired, unaltered word of God,'] then you have to find morality in some really sickening things." - Well said!
thanks
Much respect to you! I know how you feel. I’m just a random white guy but I went through the same process with mormonism. Quite a twin religion to JW honestly. I’m so many ways. My family doesn’t recognize me. The journey is lonely…but even with that I have never felt happier in my life. A sense of integrity to myself that I never had growing up.
Wally. I could listen to you for hours. And I revel in details. I look forward to the more extensive exposition, if you have time. Details make all more appealing.
Most ex-JWs agree on the major issues but it's the details that enrich and reinforce the weave of deception and silliness the WT created over the years.
Thanks, I really enjoy your videos. I can clearly remember many times saying to myself "If I wasn't here I would die, but if I stay I feel like I'm dying because I feel trapped, but if I don't develop this forced feeling of a naturally loving relationship with Jehovahs organization then I would die." That went on for years, and when I finally said "enough!" I felt so much better.
Freedom to choose and think for yourself is frightening yet satisfying.
@@exjehovahswitness ...yes it is. 🙂
I am almost afraid to say that I have always had questions about the bible and it was not just the interpretation of the organization but what the bible said about many things. This is something that is much larger than the Jehovah's Witness Organization. It has been difficult but I have started to research information on the gospels and who wrote them and I have found some very interesting information about the differences in how and why people wrote during that time and a lot of other stuff that I can't begin to get into. At this point in my life I don't believe in much of anything. I still pray to God and thank him for everything and try to be a good person in general.
Keep up the search and continue being good to people!
I’m starting to feel the same. Maybe it’s just our need for some kind of hope, but I still believe in a creator. I try my hardest to understand what that creator thinks of us and capture the meaning of everything that surrounds us. In the end, even if everything around me becomes dust, I’ll try my best to become a good person who leaves something meaningful behind in this world. Keep on growing 👍
That's why I became an athiest, no evedence any god of religions a proof, lots of things, written in the Bible don't make sense, plus women are treated as second class
@@stephintheatre6335 I tried to make sense of the Bible my whole life and so many things just did not make sense. I internalized for a long time thinking something was wrong with me because everyone around me had so much faith in what they read. It is good that we can share our true feelings on things we probably have kept to ourselves for years.
I’m a convert to Catholicism (ex Protestant) and one thing I love about my tradition is that a wide range of interpretations are allowed for Biblical texts, and things such as the slaughter of the Canaanites can be interpreted as being perhaps loosely based on history but actually serving didactic and apologetic purposes for the communities that wrote and preserved them. My understanding is that, for example, the evidence suggests Jericho didn’t have walls at the time the exodus was supposed to have taken place, thus the takedown of that city couldn’t have happened as a literal historical event exactly as described. Key to understanding the Bible is genre awareness. And yes, we do believe the Bible is inspired by God, but it’s also not a self interpreting text and must be read in light of the ancient Tradition of the Church, since the Church is the custodian of Scripture. Furthermore, what the Scripture writers most ardently agree as being literal history (namely, the Death and Resurrection of Christ, and His basic teachings) is thus the hinge on which all Scriptural interpretation should turn. Particularly brutal passages in the OT are troublesome, but most generally they aren’t proscriptive into perpetuity, and we also must wrestle with the fact that God worked within ancient cultures that had some bad practices (such as slavery, concubinage, etc). Sometimes structures of sin were tolerated for a time only to be abolished later (eg Jesus’s forbidding of divorce after Moses had allowed it). What you have in the NT is a certain historical core of events that even liberal scholars will admit probably happened (such as the Crucifixion, the Empty Tomb, and the Disciples’ subjective experience of Jesus’ life continuing in a resurrected form after His death. I believe the best explanation of those facts is that Jesus rose from the Dead. The rest of the Bible should be interpreted in the light of the sure revelation we have in the life and teachings of Christ.
This is my take-I won’t be returning to defend it in depth so I would advise anyone against a long-winded takedown. If you don’t agree you don’t agree. Just wanted to point out that it’s possible to take the Bible seriously as revelation wi th out thinking it all must be literal history. There are a variety of genres in the Bible, including probably some fable, myth, etc. it doesn’t mean that ipso facto everything in it is fake-that’s an overly simplistic way of reading the texts.
Very much so been enjoying your content. Very well thought out and explained. Looking forward to more.
Thank you so much! It is nice to hear that people are appreciating the work I'm putting into this.
You put yourself over in a very natural way, got things across brilliantly, enjoyed watching
I appreciate that, thank you very much!
Part 3. Can’t wait!!!
Hi Wally, I'm a new subscriber and I really enjoy your content and ZZ! I've been binge listening to your content as I drive and as long haul trucker you've helped me stay awake many a mile! Lol! I remember when I was waking up I had my grandparents theocratic library going all the way back to russle as my great grandmother was a " culporter" back at the turn of the last century. Reading their own material woke me up as I was at that time terrified of reading anything apostate. Their own literature is condemning of them. The final straw was a Thursday night meeting when a letter was read from the society saying they would give us a new construction loan at 3 or 4%. I immediately turned to Luke where jesus stated DONT loan to your brothers with interest. That was the straw that broke the camel's back! The elder opened it up to questions from the congregation and I asked why we were being charged interest when THE BIBLE says DONT charge your brother interest? You could have heard a pin drop! Of course I was hauled into the library as soon as we said " amen" by 3 elders. Interesting fun fact, the new 2013 bible REMOVED the word " interest" and relegated it to a footnote where as the old 1984 bible has it in the verse itself. Once again they change the bible. Thanks again for your work and effort into making these videos and I'm glad you popped up on my feed. Cheers! Zach
last chapter of Revelation says if anyone adds or removes from this scroll they will be cursed. JWs are definitely cursed then.
Thanks for sharing your interesting story with the community Wally!
Love your calm and warm demeanor...Hope you have a part #3 because I'm all 👂ears! 🙌💜💛💚
Thanks, so much and I think there will be a part three!
Thank you for sharing your story. I hope you and your ex wife are both now enjoying your lives to the full.
Thanks! That is very sweet
I love what you're doing! I was a pioneer and part of a "spiritually exemplary" family. When I left, my family immediately shunned me, and the elders kept calling me and asking for damning information about my activities. They were trying to rope me into a judiciary meeting. I told them to mind their own business. They eventually just made an announcement at a meeting that I was no longer one of jehovah's witnesses
Hello. As a former born in JW I applaud you for opening your mind and realizing WT doesn’t speak the truth of any kind and they certainly are not an authority on biblical theology or history.
I HIGHLY recommend two books for you. One is ‘Is God a moral monster’ by Paul Copan and The Unseen Realm by Dr. Michael Heiser who is an ancient near east scholar and Semitic languages expert. Both of these books helped open my eyes about so many false beliefs that many orgs, groups, individuals or churches have on the biblical narrative and interpretation.
Dr. Heiser is my favorite scholar and really down to earth. He’s not a wealthy evangelist looking for a following to use for his gain like the WT. his goal is to take high peer reviewed information and pass it on to the lay person who’s not working toward a PhD in Hebrew or biblical studies. Scholars view the Bible every differently from pastors, deacons, etc and what I have learned has blown my mind. It’s really awesome stuff.
Understanding an ancient book/books require understanding the worldview of those who wrote it and the audience they were writing it to. The Unseen Realm was a real eye opener and has assisted me in speaking to JW’s as well as Muslims(which I have a deep personal understanding of) about the proper context of this ancient book we call the Bible.
I hope you’ll check out these books and especially The Unseen Realm. It’s 100% PEER REVIEWED so everything in it is backs up by other scholars.
I will look into those thank you very much!
melleetheka and JW Thoughts To those who plan to, or have read Paul Copan’s book ‘Is God a Moral Monster’, I would definitely recommend also reading ‘Is God a Moral Compromiser?’ by Thom Stark! Stark considers himself a Christian, but his book is a weighty reaction to Copan’s apologetic defences of the biblical atrocities, and where he takes Copan’s arguments and scriptural interpretations, deals with them and analyse them one by one.
So if you find ‘comfort’ in Copan’s book, then read Stark, and you be the judge!
@@crashingkite already have. I wasn’t blown away by his arguments. Check out The Unseen Realm by Dr. Michael Heiser. Now THAT is a fascinating book.
And a side note about atrocities in biblical history. I think we can look into the world today and see horrible atrocities happening on the basis of personal feelings and “right to choose” so unless you can condemn the systematic murder of unborn humans you shouldn’t point your finger at the killing of anyone and call it evil.
I'm so happy it sounds like you and your ex were able to part ways on good terms and move on to happier lives. For some of us, marriage based on JW just feels a little "off" after waking up.
We were holding hands walking out of the lawyers office!
The problem with JW’s and marriage is that you can’t taste the milk until after you buy the cow.
Marriage in the organization sucks!
Thank you for sharing your experience. Very well done and not boring at all!!!💪👏
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you. The more stories there are about leaving, the more we normalize sanity.
What a poignant telling of such an impossible situation! I wish you and your ex continued happiness in your freedom.
I know leaving is less than half of the battle.
My father conducts a ZOOM study around this time every Saturday morning. I’ve been thinking about sending his student key facts that would result in my father (a studious man by any JW standard) to consult research materials unavailable on JW Library.
Of course I’d prefer a direct approach, but the ice is razor thin at this point and I pick my battles.
yeah for some reason I thought the more studious witnesses would be easier to wake up but it is quite the opposite
Can't wait for Part 3! (There is a part 3 isn't there???) ;)
Ummm.... well.... maybe! Haha if these videos do well I will add to the narrative because there is so much to tell
When you said that you are only picking the important parts because otherwise it would be 3 hour long video... I was pretty sad. I'd listen to that 3 hour long version. 😍💙
💛💛💛 your tiger striped tabby looks just like my Bunkus, he is such a show pony like him too!! I love them!!!
Haha he is the real star of the show and he knows it!
Thank you for your time in sharing your experience and uploading the video! I subscribed! I’m a PIMO for 2 years now and lately I’m beginning to have doubts in the Old Testament.
I’m getting worried 😟
But I think I’m going to believe that there is a Creator and left us here. He will not intervene in any of our problems- we as humans and individuals will need to do the decisions and act to resolve our problems all our lives to at the end just leave our thoughts, findings, inventions to newer generations- it’s a cycle and finally die!
Anyway just to say thank you! For sharing!
Regards from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷!
Hopefully expecting to see more of your videos!
I enjoyed my time in Puerto Rico! That's where we went on our honeymoon. One of my favorite historical figures is Thomas Jefferson and he was a deist. The God you are describing is the classic deistic god and I fully understand why you believe. Thank you so much for subscribing and please check back in anytime!
Hi Wally, I stumbled upon your channel recently and have been going through your backlog. I'm ex-JW but got out in the mid-90s around age 14 thanks to my parents' divorce (and mom's subsequent DF)
I haven't finished this video yet, but the bible story from Judges that you retell around 2:45 is one of my foundational memories from my childhood. I was reading through the entire bible from a very young age, because my dad would have me copy bible verses to keep me awake during meetings. The most gruesome bible passages became my favorite and most memorable, and I would question why God's people would treat women like this and why I had to wear a skirt to the kingdom hall, why good women got treated worse than bad men and related it back to behavior I saw in real life, etc. And he would call me a witch or wicked at age 5/6. 🙃
Despite my very precocious feminism and skepticism, I still believed in these teachings literally for awhile, and was a good little witness eager for baptism, until the treatment of my mom after df started waking me up when I was 10.
I really enjoyed listening to your story and I enjoy your videos! I have no experience as a witness but grew up in an extremely devoted evangelical household with my dad both a missionary and a pastor. Slowly over the years I came to different conclusions about my faith than I was raised to have. It’s a really tough thing to go through in your head and it’s nice to hear from someone who understands even though we didn’t unbrainwash ourselves out of the same sect. I’m glad that I found this channel!
I was never a JW or particularly know much about it but I always find these stories interesting.
Great video, thanks! I noticed the same about Genesis: In the first creation account, god makes all the animals in neat order and then makes humans, both man and woman. In the second account, he makes Adam first, then he makes all the animals and lets Adam name them. But since Adam can't find a proper "mate" among the animals (I found that super curious!), he takes Adam's rib and makes Eve. I went back and forth between the two stories, and they just don't jibe. I admire that you got all the way to Judges! I think I got as far as Genesis chapter 4 LOL.
Nice work! I am surprised I made it past the 600 year old people building magic boxes.
Welcome to the club bro
Thanks
What do PIMO, POMI PIMI and POMO mean?
The terms PIMO, POMI, PIMI, and POMO, are abbreviations commonly used within certain communities to describe different states of mind and belief. Here's a breakdown of their meanings:
PIMO: Physically In and Mentally Out. This term is often used by individuals who are physically present within a particular group or organization (such as a religious or ideological group) but mentally have disassociated themselves or no longer believe in the teachings or principles of that group. It can be associated with a state of "waking up" to the inconsistencies or flaws within the group's beliefs.
POMO: Physically Out and Mentally Out. This term refers to individuals who have both physically left the group or organization and mentally disassociated themselves from its beliefs and practices. It signifies a state of freedom, liberty, and happiness from the constraints or control of the group.
PIMI: Physically In and Mentally In. This term is used to describe individuals who are both physically and mentally committed to a particular group or organization. They adhere to its beliefs, practices, and principles, often without questioning or critically evaluating them. It can be associated with a sense of being "enslaved" to the group's ideology or dogma.
POMI: Physically Out but Mentally In. This term refers to individuals who have physically left the group or organization but still hold on to its beliefs or mindset. They may have left due to various reasons but haven't fully let go of the group's teachings or ideology. It can be associated with a state of fanatical adherence or being mentally trapped in the group's influence.
These terms are primarily used within the context of religious or ideological communities and represent different stages of belief and disengagement. They serve as a way for individuals to express and identify their current mindset and relationship with a specific group or organization.
#PIMO = Physically In and Mentally Out = Wake-up
#POMO = Physically Out and Mentally Out = Freedom / Liberty / Happiness
#PIMI = Physically In and Mentally In = Slavery / Zombification
#POMI = Physically Out but Mentally In= Fanaticism / Slavery
To get your freedom you must change from PIMO to POMO if you do not want to be a POMI.
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That's actually awesome that y'all got interviewed at your last assembly while you were already awake! Sucks that I was still mentally in when I gave my last assembly interview 😭
Yeah it was funny because those interviews are so fake anyway it didn't feel any different than normal.
@@exjehovahswitness I fucking knew it, those interviews always seemed well too rehearsed and convenient 😂
Haha, I remember when I was the interviewer and the circuit overseer talked to me about one of the sisters shoes. The heel was an inch to long and they were open toed. So This poor girl bought new shoes just for this assembly part and I had to tell her that in one area of her shoes there was to much material but in the other area of her shoes there was to little. It's actually wild how much goes in to those assembly parts.
@@exjehovahswitness I know what you mean about how fake the interviews feel! You never look at the assemblies the same again after seeing things from behind the scenes. Somehow we thought it was a badge of honor back then. Lol
@@andrewxjw Oh I remember going to assemblies or conventions and not having a part and feeling like I was a loser! One time I wasn't asked to be an attendant because I recently switched congregations and I was actually upset. The way they make you feel special by doing free work is so clever.
And thanks to people like you, we are fully woke.
An abused friend who wasn't listened to and later committed suicide. That was the start...... So much more
Yeah I feel that pain. I had a few friends that committed suicide and I couldn't understand why until after I left.
@@exjehovahswitness - thanks for sharing your story. what conclusion did you come to as to why these suicides happened?
@@Ava2969ny Repression, not knowing how to deal with reality, fear of shunning, having their true selves ripped away in place of a hive mind. The list would go on not so?
@@exjehovahswitness - I just don't understand why some ex-jw's don't consider therapy; so sad to hear about people taking their lives; but I could understand the despair due to having lived a certain way for a number of years, and not knowing how to adjust.
@@Ava2969ny facts
Wow, I remember having the exact same experience in a KH one day. I was reading Judges by myself and came across the story of the man handing the virgins over to the mob and thinking that this is just the story of Lot but without the angelic deus-ex-machina. I was stunned. I wanted to nudge my wife and say 'How did I ever miss this before.' Bizzare what being indoctrinated can do to you.
Crazy when you open that third eye for the first time and the world changes in an instance
JW Facts did it for me
Love Paul Grundy!
JW facts does great work
He really puts in some long hours!
@5:00 off topic but your cat is adorable! men who love cats are a special breed❣
Oh you are on the money there!
Thanks for sharing your unique story... you missed out on the opportunity of a lifetime - I'm not talking about everlasting life, I'm talking about going off-script during your assembly interview. You could have thrown them a curveball for the ages 😅
That would have been legendary!
Watching archeological channels to understand biblical history. Horrified always about the account of the concubine, even Hagar and Esther. Her cousin pimped her out to a king who murdered people. Thanks for sharing.
That story is seriously messed up!
Well done. Good pick up on Judges 19 and Genesis 19. Also judges 20 is the same as 1 Samuel 4 and judges 21 is numbers 31. I think the reason for the writer going overboard on the dark side is found at the beginning of judges 19 and the end of 21. "In these days there was no king" Its saying if there is no monarchy then really bad stuff is going to happen. Obviously man made agenda. Again great video. Thanks for sharing
If you’re reading the original Hebrew of Esther, it barely mentions a Deity so it’s tough to infer at least from the Hebrew version that ipso facto God must approve of this. It’s a story set in a certain time period and thus of course moral sensibilities changing with time will reveal the more messed up aspects. Just like in a post Me-too world, many of us cannot watch the scene from the Sandlot in which the bespectacled kid forces a French kiss on the female lifeguard. Yes, these are kids, but still-it’s really not funny and we shouldn’t have found it funny in the 90s if we had been morally reasoning in a consistent way.
@@jackdispennett744 Yes.
Really good testimony and analysis.
Glad you enjoy
I knew that the Bible was written by many people and edited with words, sentences, paragraphs, and entire books added and removed , when I was 10. It shocks me that people don’t know that
I didn't become atheist, but the Bible really has some issues. Some folks are suggesting the "god" of the Old Testament was actually an ET with an attitude.
Sounds pretty cool honestly
I love your story. I was disfellowshipped, reinstated, and subsequently faded out in Seattle in 2007. Are you still friends with your EX? Very interesting you both faded out and then broke up. I thought perhaps that would draw you closer!
Being a few time zones away makes it hard to be close but there is not a single bad feeling between us.
This is really interesting - how similar to my own experience leaving the Oneness Pentecostals (Jesus Only) in 1989 when I lived in London.
Isn’t it funny how almost at once, when one wakes up, the lies and fairytales of Watchtower all come tumbling down, either seemingly all at once or sort of in a domino type of effect, one after the other. Thank you for sharing your story, I’m sure it will be of help to someone one (probably to many) in their own search for “The Truth”, pun completely and utterly intended.
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Thanks for telling your story. I was born in but left 20 yrs ago. Was wondering what you thought when you said you looked up and saw everybody singing Listen obey and be blessed. That's such a "culty'" song... Lol....is that how you felt? That song is their greatest brainwashing song yet IMO. 😂
It was a callback to my intro video but I was giving the last part on a meeting when I realized everyone looked like a drone and that night began my awakening!
"Listen, obey and be blessed" could be a wonderful idea when referring to young children's attitude to their parents (at least good normal parents). But it gets really creepy when that involves an organization. Any organization.
that purring interruption was magnifescent
Daisy, please come back,,, we love you,,
Thank you! ❤️
That cat is such a scene steeler.
Yeah he really knows how to get attention
@@exjehovahswitness No thanks Satan!! You're doomed Wally!!
Thanks, You're the real hero of the story
@@lowlyslaveofslaves4231 I am not an ex-witness,not a member of any religion.But should You be making Condemnary judgements against anyone?..
@@Linda-ux8un Good question Linda. On the surface, it may seem like a harsh statement to make, but according to a definition from Oxford Languages, it states: /do͞omd/: adjective - likely to have an unfortunate and inescapable outcome; ill-fated. "the moving story of their doomed love affair"
Therefore, if Wally continues in his destructive course by proactively attempting to invalidate the authenticity of God's word as found in the sacred scriptures of the Bible thereby sowing seeds of doubt in the hearts innocent ones, who are searching for, and earnestly yearning to learn the truth, he will have an "unfortunate outcome", especially when Almighty God Jehovah destroys suchlike ones at Armaggedon. (Isaiah 9:17; Revelation 21:8; Proverbs 11:9) So yes, as I stated before, "he's doomed."
The word-name Satan was appropriate to use as Jesus did when addressing Peter, since the word is derived from Hebrew; a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose". (Matthew 16:23)
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Jesus even warned those who stumble little ones (innocent, or inexperienced children) when he said, "But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have hung around his neck a millstone that is turned by a donkey and to be sunk in the open sea." (Matthew 18:6)
So no Linda, there was no connotation of judgement, or condemnation intended in my comment. Only God can judge and condemn to death. (Ecclesiastes 3:17) But even if I were to condemned his words, or denounce his efforts; which I do, it still wouldn't be wrong of me to do so. I am on God's side. Jehovah will have no mercy on apostates and evildoers when He executes righteous judgement and makes His enemies vanish like smoke. (Psalms 37:9, 10, 20; Isaiah 9:17)
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Liinda, please protect yourself from liars and deceivers. I wish you peace, and pray that one day Jehovah God will bless you with the truth found in His word the Bible. (John 4:24; 17:17) Take care.
Same exact story here. The brotherhood is the second most difficult thing to leave . The first is realizing that my heartfelt prayers have been a joke 😢. Truly GUTTING. The most damaging thing I did for my faith was to read the Bible with an open mind.
yeah reading the bible with an open mind will get you every time!
I wasn't JW I grew up catholic, just some family I have was JW and I spent a whole summer going to JW church as a child. But I lost a lot of faith the second I started actually reading the Bible and asking questions
The shunning process woke me up.. 2nd time around... It's cruel and it destroys family s..!!!
that is going to be the main topic of an upcoming video
@@exjehovahswitness Looking forward the next vid ❤️
I’m loving this series ❤️ youre so chill man :)
thanks
Hey I live in WA too, thanks so much for sharing your story
You are so welcome!
The Washington gang is in the house, I’m in Lynnwood. Thanks for sharing Wally.
I think your next video could touch on how you faded without having the elders confront you or track you down. Also where did things end with your family.
Hey! How's life up north? Yeah I will probably do something on fading like a boss!
Bruhhh what's that Led light up picture on wall ?? IT'S AWESOME !! 😍😍 Gotta try to find it or paint/make it ...
Oh thanks! Yeah just a cool paneled map with that I put some LED's in.
"Mental masturbation"? I nearly spat my tea and wrecked my laptop. Actually, nailed it. 👌
You're welcome!
Judges is my favourite waking up book.
It does have a good amount of repeated stories and craziness
Really? I'm pimo I'm still in it oh oh just trying to find things to show me the way out if that makes any sense.
Also the story of Noah is just a retelling of an ancient Sumerian fable where "Noah"'s name is Utnapishtim. The story makes more sense when you realize the reason the world was flooded was because the other gods were angry at mankind and wanted to eradicate them however the god Ea favored them and protected them. Just a pagan fable, nothing more.
Good video thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching
Kitty is here for those velvety dulcet tones, bruh!
Apostacat 🐈💖
That is funny!
Thank you.
Your video is very sincere and from the heart.
I too have left the JW organisation and I felt it was so difficult too.
They will label you as apostate - this is crap. You are a just capable to think for yourself. And you are brave enough to walk your own path. If friends reject you. They were never good friends away.
I hope you have the help and support you need.
Perhaps one day I will make a UA-cam video of my own story.
Well done.
Thanks!
I’m so sorry for the crap you went though. The JW organization is a cult ,and you were lied to. God still loves you and I hope you find the path that brings you clarity and peace.
Thanks for the kind words
@@exjehovahswitness The stuff that organization makes people go through disgusting it should be a crime , glad you got out of that cult
@@franktobia4169 Thanks Man!
@@exjehovahswitness having realized that you were owned by eight of snow whites dwarfs that said they speak for god; do you find it amusing that others profess that same egomaniacal ability?
Beautifully done 👌🏻 Thank you for sharing your story!
Glad you enjoyed it!
It's amazing how that cult will break up family..as if a marriage can't survive without the organization
Yeah I have heard from many people that kept their marriage strong after leaving.
Great vids
Thanks man!
I missed half of that. I was concentrating on that curly-tailed beast-cat getting its hours in.
Haha yeah ZZ knows when it is time to record so my choice is have him purr in the mic, or meow at the door in the background.
@@exjehovahswitness ZZ, Stop ! Lol. Any man that loves his cat has a head start in my estimation. (Except, maybe, Dr. Evil and Mohammad)
Cats are the best. Just adopted another dog yesterday as well so look forward to seeing more of the team!
Wally, you’re a sweetheart. Just so you know.
Big hugs to you.
Nice video! 📹 👌
Thanks!
With all the bible study JWs do, you'd think that contradictions in the bible would come up more? I was raised Christian fundamentalist, weekly Bible study, Sunday school, auxiliary, multiple church meetings, youth groups, (my dad was the equivalent of an Elder) and the contradictions became noticeable and I started to question things by the time I became a teenager. My family said it was just a phase, but I never outgrew reason...
Wow😱, this is the 1st I've even heard of that story, also i can't help it i have to say that i love and appreciate your videos and it doesn't hurt that you're eye candy for sure👀😊, sorry,.....carry on
Love your cat. We have 3 of them
Thanks
Are the Elders saying "where's Wally "?
Pretty much. I can be a bit intense so there might have been some fear associated with it. My dad said that I was to smart for him and so he couldn't offer any help. He's an elder
@@exjehovahswitness I'd support you all the way, I was a jw.for 46years,I'm 80 years old and have been inactive for about 2 years now, after finding the internet has opened my eyes to so much going on in the Organisation, I'm now a conscienceous objector to the GB. My observation over the years is that most JWs are good people but they are being treated as slaves (me included)the parallel I see today is the same situation as God's people under slavery to pharoe NWT Exodus 5v9 "make them work harder, and keep them busy so that they will not pay attention to lies "sounds familiar eh ! All the best for the future and hi from Australia.
@@justinthyme3396 Oh goodness! Thanks for the support and happy that you enjoy the videos. I do like talking with people who have been in the organization for a long time so if you want feel free to send me an email! Cheers
Liked and subd. Very good.
Thanks and welcome aboard!
Hey, can you clarify what question you were trying to answer about Noah? I'd love to do something like that but I'm unaware the issue you were proving? Was the issue about how long it rained or how long they were on the ark or something else? And does is there a contradiction in WT pubs?
Hey I got your email but have not had an opportunity to respond. But I will for sure today or tomorrow
@@exjehovahswitness no stress and no hurry at all.
I know this video is a year old...
But parts l & ll have been amazing so far...
Funny... We don't wake up/ let go overnight...
I was jw for roughly 30yrs ...
Yet , Was I happy???
From 2007-12 I achieved my wildest dreams when I was a Min Serv...
With all the privledges that comes with it...
Definitely an amazing time... But again..
Was I happy...
In 2012 I did something I never thought possible.... I fell desperately for a non jw Co worker and haven't been the same since.
In speaking with her, she described how in 2003/4 she gave birth to her daughter but after wards started hemorging to the point where she needed 2 separate blood transfusions that saved her life..
At moment... Thinking of ALL THE WITTNESSES that have died over the years for NOT ACCEPTING BLOOD...
It really made me sick....
I'm now happier than I ever was as a jw...
Thank you for your videos Man
@1:02 The oceans/seas have land at the bottom. Maybe the land was risen upward or the water was push out and frozen to make the land come up?
So the bible requires interpretation?
@@exjehovahswitness It is a confusing 📖. So maybe. Like obviously days were not literal days and days were not 1000 years. Some 🧔🏾 got tales and allegories from Africa, twisted them further and jotted them down in the Bible.
Maybe is not good enough when trying to sort out what is true or likely true.
@@exjehovahswitness I know. But it’s the best I got. The Bible does not come with a manual that explains the stories. To this point, do you know anyone that has used the Book of Revelations to predict future events. So comment about Genesis is guesswork, but it’s all I got.
The alternative is to read the bible at it's word and not assume anything supernatural. But I very much appreciate the honesty that you approach these issues with.
Anywhere I can contact you for advice on helping a loved one?
Thanks for sharing, I really hope someday I can leave too
You can do it!
Plus delve into the encyclopedia on the origins of the name Jehovah.Originally the head honcho of the Caananite pantheon,which included Baal.
Right there with you bro
We move forward together
Can u please help me on how to wake up my parents and my brother so that they will leave the cult?🙏
send me an email and we can talk.
@@exjehovahswitness love to send my email..where can I drop my email?do you have a website where i can send it?
jwthoughts.blog@gmail.com
Excellent question
Unfortunately it is very difficult to “WAKE” someone unless they. Are willing to be awaken
That is why facts, proofs, evidence and documentation rarely work
You are attempting to destroy their world and they want to hold on to their dream
Wally describes very well how difficult it is to wake up people
If is the very definition of being on a cult
All you can do is test the water and back up if not they will shutdown completely
Just make sure you are mentally prepared for the backlash
@@WJTM88 thanks for the warning but i will try coz they are financially dependent on me. This WT are discouraging JW to look for a descent job or else u will be tagged as materialistic...
I've always ,been curious about the number 40 ....Moses ,was 40 years old when he left Egipt and stayed there,in the desert for another 40 years ....Noah spent 120 years building the ark which is 3 times 40 ..and then it rained for 40 days and nights .. Jesus,spent 40 days alone in the desert .
I’ve been to,d that 40 is just a default for a really big number, a bit like stories use “a year and a day” for a long but not actually specified length of time
Lmao got that purrrrrrrrrr bass!
That cat... omg!!!!😻😻
The real star of the show
An even more ghoulish thing is if a male child (as long as they can read & stand at the podium on a stool) on the TMS has this part in the reading, the elders won't pass this on to an adult male, the child will read it. I remember sitting like 😳 while a small boy read a very sexually charged passage. Like you couldn't call up someone older?
OHHHH I was WONDERING about you and your ex-wife drinking during cart breaks! LOL. great shit man.
In Genesis chapter 1 it says God. In chapter 2 Lord God, because in chapter 2 He is called Lord God , because it is about relationship with humans.
Really enjoying your vids, glad you got free .
Thanks
Wow looks like that was hard at times for you to recall your story. All of my family are out except my parents. I was the last to leave of 7 children. We were all born in.. My parents are treating me differently then the rest of of my siblings even though they have been out for 2 decades, but they faded and l disassociated so in their minds they think its different but it's all the same to me. I'm surprised you were able to just fade out being a pioneer. Seems like they would have been hounding you down like the FBI once they didn't see you at the hall. I disassociated because l was used too much in the congregation and just fading wouldn't have been enough for me. I wanted to cut all ties. How were you able to just fade? Is your family treating you like you disassociated yourself?
Yeah actually had all of the Territory records for my congregation too and I deleted the whole thing! Sure that pissed some people off. The other elders only came by once to check in and I think I got one maybe two phone calls. Normally they would hound you like crazy but for whatever reason they pretty much left me alone.
@@exjehovahswitness hmmm that's interesting, well I'm sure they got the point that you were OUT! Lol.. by the way l never got the scripture verse you were talking about in your video about the woman who was raped and died and her husband dismembered her, you happen to have the scripture? Remember the scripture with Lot and his two daughters that got him drunk and had sex with him and both got pregnant? Weird huh? I guess Lot was potent those two nights! 🤣
Oh those seeds of the patriarchs were damn strong. Yeah give me one second I'm working on putting on some sound absorbing panels.
judges 19 but I think the verse its 29. Maybe 25. maybe 22. Sorry I kind of reply on the fly.
It's the first time I'm seeing this and I haven't read the blog.
I have questions: From what I understand, for you the Noah timeline didn't make sense; for other people was feasibility of building an ark and putting all the animals in there; for others the feeding and cleaning... Dudes, I can solve everything with miracles and god intervention. All problems are now solved related to that subject.
Why would anyone lose their faith because of it?
Now, my real question is: if you have a god that killed and ordered the killing of hundreds of thousands, including infants, why would timelines bother you? There's more than enough there to realize that there's something terrible wrong.
Hello friend, I came across your videos, which are actually very informative, but I don't know if I can ask you for advice, you see, my uncle is a Jehovah's Witness and has leukemia, it is in an accelerated stage, luckily my blood is compatible with his, but he The only problem is that his religion does not allow him to have the transfusion, and I am very concerned about his well-being. I would like you to give me ideas on how to convince him to continue with the transfusion.
Sorry for writing too much 😅 I hope you can read it have a good day, afternoon or night
I can’t imagine holding back on what you found to be untrue and still go to the meetings....No fricking way....But good for you and your expire for doing it.... I also faded.....
It was quite surreal but sometimes you have to do something hard to do something right.
I also faded 1997 out by 2001. By 2001 I hadn’t gone to but one meeting. Then I moved. No explanation. I never received a call from anyone. I went to a professional to be completely deprogrammed.
@@exjehovahswitness I agree.. there were many times I went to the meetings and sat there thinking WTH! The metting were extremely boring, from the songs to the talks 😕 I kept thinking this chit is fake as hell.. I guess I was PIMO!! It was very stressful.. Freedom never tasted so GOOD!!
I think it's kind of strange of you to say there are contradictions in genesis 1 and 2.
You say that you find it strange that only God is mentioned in the first chapter and Jehovah God in the 2nd chapter.
What does His Name mean Wally?
"I Will Become"
What was not there in the beginning and what was there later in chapter 2?
Funny. I wish you could have pointed out more about the Noah account but nonetheless good job
Well funny you say that, I actually have a Noah video in the February JW thoughts Broadcast. I may release it on its own as well.
@@exjehovahswitness You leaving Jehovah's witnesses to where John 6:66-68?and who is the name of the only true God according to the bible John 17:1-3,1Corinthians 8:5-6?
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Vusi! The Jw superstar 👍🏾
@@Hearwithyourears That guy is the real hero
Please do put it up I'm trying to figure out things before I make a move to leave!just want to make sure it's the right thing so need proof lol
Just thought I would comment on your insight @ around 3:45 as your basis for discounting the bible and becoming an atheist. I am not writing to justify some of the evils that are recorded in the bible, but really, are you expecting all Sunshine, Rainbows and Unicorns in the bible? That was an ugly story, but think of some of the things that go on today, as far as human trafficking and abuse of Women as second class citizens. Again I am not writing to justify the actions of the Levite in the story, But it was a male dominated world then, much as it is in most of the world today, only with great strides and progress in the modern western world today. But then (biblical time thousands of years ago) the man would have been totally humiliated and demeaned in the male society of his time, lose his position as he was a Levite, so to sacrifice the women as it were, (to them at the time was not a big deal) "gasp" I know that sounds terrible in todays modern culture, but that's the way is was. So this should not discount the veracity of the bible.
You really think snakes, bushes and donkeys talk? Stop trying to change his mind just because you’re grown and believe in fairytales still.
They should put Judges 17 in My book of Bible Stories for children
Here you have a new sub
Welcome aboard!
the story of the "levites concubine" in the book of judges 19-21. I always that was a parable because a huge war ensued afterwards. But it wasn't a re-telling i think it was more for instruction because the wife was upset with him and she went away. Then he had to go after a bunch of things were happening
I need to find it and read it again 😆
Yeah I hope for everyone's sake that it isn't real, but for those that want to find meaning and morality in it..... yikes..
Those stories so demeaning to women and the condoning and promotion of slavery that demeans us all, should be enough to ban the bible as hate literature. My waking up was triggered by god's use of stoning and seeing a filmic representation of this that was so sickening, I wanted nothing more to do with a god who commanded this as a punishment. Your cat is sweet; a man who is gentle with an animal is ok in my book!
I wish i could have an hour or two to discuss some of the issues you struggle with, the bible say that we all know there is YWHW our creator ... i hope the poison of the JW. org hasn't condemned you to never come back and understand the tremendous depth and tapestry of scripture , God most High and the Christ he sent as a spotless lamb of sacrifice ... will be praying ... Love and hope to you !!!
well I do enjoy engaging with people so let's set it up?
@@exjehovahswitness not really sure how to do that but where do you live, i am in n.o.la . also remember secular historians are often atheist too when reading history books !!! hit me back
@@kramsdrawde8159 well I am happy to speak on the phone. There are historians. While some might claim to be "biblical historians" I tend to get suspicious because the person should not interfere with the scholarship. obviously I understand that there are many who do great work that give themselves this moniker.
I just read the story of Noahs flood, and yeah, it's a little contradictory timeline wise. It started on the second month and seventeenth day, and rained for forty days (with springs opening up from the grounds).
The ark was afloat for a further 150 days before landing on Ararat .... AFTER 40 days and nights of rain!
It continues by asserting that on the seventh month and seventeenth day it was on Ararat.!?
Really! I never read it properly before!
Now bear this in mind. Rome standardized the calender with about 30 days per month as late as 1582!
YES 15 mother fuckin 82!
Before that Rome hadn't made it's mind up and nobody actually KNEW how long a month was because it was inconsistent.
Now, how many days in a month were there in Noahs day?
You're on to something with questioning our current conception of calendars. But Remember that God shouldn't need you to explain his perfect word. It should be able to speak for itself and if not, provide a scripture that gives imperfect men the right to interpret his perfect word.
@@exjehovahswitness I don't want to take a side on this from a translatatory point of view either, because the scrolls weren't discovered all in one immaculate batch AND in English.
Often when new scraps are discovered extensive work is done to patch things together so that things make sense.
When christians were being persecuted and their scrolls burned, some were able preserve parts of their collections.
Time however wasn't so forthcoming. When discovered many of them crumbled, and it has taken centuries to restore from sources all around the Mediterrainian.
It's important to compensate for these issues when reading the bible.
I don't know what to believe personally. I left the Witnesses back in 98, I was disfellowshipped a year later after I was discovered by other witnesses in another town. (I used to live in a close knit town.)
I live in Japan now though and went to a meeting 5 years ago, I didn't recognize any of the songs and it was all high tech with no physical bibles.
I was the ONLY one with a physical copy of the bible, it felt strange.
@@EX-JW-SJD Again you are on the right track in asking if we can rely on the current bible we have and why a God would make it so hard for us to know his message. How is life in Japan because here in America we can't seem to work out how to deal with a virus!?
@@exjehovahswitness well for me personally, my life hasn't changed in 12 years. I work on a farm in the middle of nowhere.
Japan was slow to testing and made alot of stupid politically charged mistakes, however not on the level of England and America and Austrialia made.
There were badly hit areas and even now it's still around, but to be honest I cant comment too much as I don't follow the news that often, it depresses me.
Study History along with Hebrew and Greek . You will start to see that English is terrible at conveying what the Bible actually means. The word love has multiple different meanings in greek. The books apart of Bible cannon where even written in different literary styles . It is almost impossible to fully understand the Bible in the viewpoint of modern civilization without constant study and research.