Self-directed learning: How ‘unschoolers’ control their education | Kerry McDonald
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Conventional schooling was largely designed with an industrial-revolution mindset. However, this factory model of education doesn't hold up today. Our access to technology allows learning to happen beyond the conventional classroom.Unschooling serves as a reinvention of education that invites students to indulge in their natural curiosity on their individual path to knowledge.
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KERRY MCDONALD
Kerry McDonald is a Senior Education Fellow at the Foundation for Economic Education and author of “Unschooled: Raising Curious, Well-Educated Children Outside the Conventional Classroom” (Chicago Review Press, 2019). Her articles have appeared in the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Newsweek, NPR, Education Next, and Reason Magazine, among others. She has an Ed.M. from Harvard University and a B.A. in economics from Bowdoin College.
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Many exceptionally ingenious individuals came out demoralized after years of state coerced education.
List? I thought not.
John Karavitis yeah it’s bullshit. Schools actually quite good. Mix of basic math, English, science, history etc. How bad is that? More schools are adopting coding courses too.
@@christophersurnname9967 You are using a strawman argument. Schools don't teach how to think well and they don't teach about logical fallacies.
Rob Meyers how is that a strawman argument? Do you even actually understand what a strawman argument is?
Oh and I agree that there are many important things such as logical reasoning and critical thinking skills that are not taught, and there is huge room for improvement. But it’s not as shit as what ppl are making out.
Also a lot of the underlying assumptions are not necessarily correct here. I don’t believe for a second that most ppl are born with natural curiosity. Many kids are, but many kids (if not most) are dumb af.
@@christophersurnname9967 I do know what a strawman is. You picked a few select examples of how schools are good and used that to fit your argument. It leaves out all of the rest of the context that could be considered bad. You're stating a conclusion based on a small sample of the variables as to make the specific point that you wanted to make.
I sucked at school for years, but after high school my brain "came on" at full force so to speak and I unschooled my way from pre algebra to calc 3, real analysis etc, read textbook after textbook from psychology to political science and now I'm a physics major.
In school, I didn't even know physics freaking existed. I just thought I loved nature.
Can't describe how annoyed that makes me daily; that some schools can be so bad at understanding their student's needs.
👍 Doodelay
I'm unschooled since 9th grade.. I've mastered 15 languages! 3 instruments.. I'm running my e business.. I'm just 17..
So grateful that I told my parents 'bout the idea.. And they supported me..
School is just a bad monopoly.. Its all political business going on in a way..!
I learnt everything I wanted.. Language after language.. I had enough time..
What about the basics like reading? Some kids don't want to learn how to read unless they are "forced" to do it.
Wham. Excellent point. There are some necessary skill sets that take years and years to develop, and the unschooling trend is ignoring this reality.
I have never met a person who did not want to read.... Forcing them may be the only way to make them dislike it
@@nixsquire Exactly!!!!!
Children are naturally curious and pick up reading naturally to explore their environment. Parents and mentors facilitate this by helping children sound out words. Older children also do this same thing to help younger children.
She talks about that in her book, citing studies and stories of kids who didn't learn to read until 13, and then started to read Shakespeare.
Schooling should have that goal of implanting that seed of platonic drive to learn and gain knowledge. Getting kids to learning and wanting to know more should be organic and facilitated, not forced upon.
But wasn't the video based on the idea that children already have that drive? It seems like children don't always want to learn the various things that we find important for them to know. It's natural, we've been here longer, been through many more situations than they have, and have a more holistic understanding of the world. Kids lacking that knowledge often don't understand the full importance of knowing the things that we look to teach them.
I don't think children can become curious about things they don't know exist...Does anyone think that children would ask questions like - what does spleen do, who lives in Australia, which other planets are in our Solar System or how do you say "horse" in German if they don't even know these things exist. School introduces us to various topics which we might not encounter otherwise. Unschooling will just make a generation of Flatearthers....
Creativity, curiosity, ingenuity, entrepreneurial spirit... All great things but still can go any direction including a very inhumane one. Just a thought
Really? Because I worked with severely emotionally, sexually, and physically abused children for decades and those were the ONLY things that could bring back their humanity for any length of time. Strange that society's conditioning would make one believe THOSE qualities could be used poorly when it is usually the addict like greed, the narcissistic disconnection to others, and fear that drives the insanity in this world.
@@tbbart6463 you'd be surprised... greed to know more than you can handle or deal with (curiosity), need to create something "beautiful" before considering consequences of others (creativity and entrepreneurial spirit), fear of the status quo (ingenuity) can go in more directions than towards good
@@parepidemosproductions4741 We live in very different realities. Peace.
@@tbbart6463 I am surprised that histories display of these "fabulous" traits is a different reality than what you believe... The ingenuity of the industrial revolution wonderfully birth the need for child labor laws, the entrepreneurial spirit birthed all types of human trading (among those including sex trade), Hitler brilliantly led almost an entire Nation to antisemitism (pretty creative), curiosity has made us the most powerful AND self destructive species on the planet (i.e. nuclear weapons)... Do you really love these traits without a doubt?
@@tbbart6463 hey bud, I'm back to say that my views on this topic have changed, yet this conversation still remains true. I think balance in everything is necessary
self education is similar to 'confirmation bias' , see how religious embrace home schooling as its allow them to shield their kids to question their religion.
24/7 parallel classes on Fortnite and Clash of Clans!
Summary : school is shit.
I and my wife did homeschooling our daughter who is now working for a Korean company. We need to take precaution when schools becoming sort of: robot programming center, profit centers with education only as a mask, etc even to prepare provocateurs and terrorists in some places. Thank you for our better next generation future. I wonder if you can see Brockwood Park in Hampshire, UK.
dont care what wef things LOL
so wait. your tellin me how robots ands humans are different? How has society gotten here!
So glad to finally hear all this said out loud, in public.
Unfortunately, it's 60 years too late for me.
At least there is a little ray of hope for humanity.
I completely sympathize with you and I know exactly how it feels.
Why? Never too late to learn what inspires you and educate yourself to gain skill in that area that makes you curious.
Get rid of society's conditioning that says the only reward for learning is money or for a job. So many riches await when you open your mind and stop limited thinking.
If you can do that, you begin the process of Unschooling...at age 60. Good luck and have fun.
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@Someone Else
💙 True.
I believe in the idea of "self learning" except there is still a lack of basis or foundation... Would you like to elaborate on your ideal foundation or basis for what leads these kids, even adults, into how and why they are to learn more of all things important to their roles in the family or society?
near impossible in a classroom environment with 20-30 children per adult/teacher
Unschooling is homeschooling. Not public education.
@@tbbart6463 I see, thanks for clarifying
Putting an adult in a room with more that 10 kids/adolescents is inherently human abuse.
Interesting idea, BUT just letting a child's whims decide what to learn will probably leave out many important skills that you need in life, e.g. reading, math.
What I could see working is a kind of negotiating with the child.
An idea would be that the child can learn about one thing it is really interested in if it learns sth. else the teacher/parent(s)/mentor wants it to learn first. This not only does that give the child a first taste of autonomy, it also sharpens their negotiation skills and top of that elevates learning to a reward in their mind.
In order to make progress in any subject reading is required - therefore it's value and desire to master is innate to curiousity
You listed exactly two skills, literacy and numeracy, that incidentally happen to be the ONLY two skills everyone needs. I'm not sure there's any kid who won't naturally take an interest in both given that a child can recognize their importance. Kids who "hate math" or reading probably developed that feeling from schools which embarrassed them or made them feel inferior to their peers.
@@RayHuong true!
Read “When Kids Rule The School”
Unschooler here! Have been since 4th grade anyway. I’m so grateful that my mom was involved and proactive with my education and listened to what I was telling her about my experiences in typical school.
No idea unschooler was a freakin word
Cause it wasn't a word. Words are made up all the time and this is one that has been around only somewhat recently and refers to fringe ideologies that are not well known and are irrelevant to most.
I'm unschooled since 9th grade.. I've mastered 15 languages! 3 instruments.. I'm running my e business.. I'm just 17..
So grateful that I told my parents 'bout the idea.. And they supported me..
School is just a bad monopoly.. Its all political business going on in a way..!
I learnt everything I wanted.. Language after language.. I had enough time..
Many ppl don't know it but its far more better and support forever learning..
Not just mug up! Throw up on exam! Clean up! And repeat! Theory..
Its real education..
This can only (maybe) work for upper middle/upper class families. "using the abundant resources of the community around them" SURE lady. How exactly do you plan on funding every whim of the child? Vacation doesn't mean anything when you are always on it. Also what happens when they choose laziness? "I'm not interested in anything" is what you'll get. then suddenly they do have to do things they aren't interested in? Or worse, do nothing? This just sounds like a hipster helicopter parents' wet dream. Good luck with that.
People that drop out of school, hire people that finish school
I believe the school is important for other reasons too. It is a meetingplace for building friendship and sharing thoughts and interests with other classmates.
Homeschooling is great for letting the child evolve their own way, but we need inspiration from others in order to strenghten our own imagination!
My suggestion is a more flexible school, where the focus is pointed towards each individuals strenghts, instead of shaping everyone the same. If "difference" becomes the norm, and kids learn to accept it right from the start, eventually we will begin to see new revolutionary ideas showing up, because our kids are not afraid of showing their (so called) "abnormal" ideas anymore.
School should be about friendship, and sharing thoughts in order to expand our imagination in first hand!
Learning how to survive on your own should be what school is about. Other topics like history, advanced maths and such that are not necessary for living should not be mandatory.
How to buy a house, pay taxes, repair a waterleak, not pour water on a oiled pan on fire, self-defence, grow your own crops and vegetables, craft and build tools/inventions, survive in the woods/without electricity and things like that which is actually USEFUL in the future. Should be mandatory.
Survival, crafting tools, what's safe to eat in the nature, self-sustainability, repairing a waterleak, bring back electricity, generate electricity, filtrate water, how/where to teach yourself on your own, and understanding how society/paying bills and taxes works should be mandatory.
Engineering/building your own things, computer-programming, how electronics/electricity works, making clothes, cooking food, painting etc. Should be thaught to everyone, but optional to attend.
Then the student can choose other topics based on their own interests.
Grades should be removed completely and be replaced with some other reward, to eliminate stress and the sense of failure. Nobody fails, everyone gets a chance to shape themselves into who THEY want to be! THAT is the goal! The students are studying towards their best future self, not some stupid best letter on a paper...
Tests should be optional and only for getting an overview on how much you know. These are YOUR own private results and are for your eyes only. If YOU feel satisfied, then you have passed.
Workplaces should perform their own tests to measure your TRUE skills based on their current needs, instead of reading your irrelevant 10 year old grades from school.
Students need motivation to be productive, and you can't possibly feel motivated when you're stressed as f**ck about not failing at something you have no interest in whatsoever, or do not understand why you would ever need to know about!
That creates a negative picture about school in general, and increases the risks of the student performing worse at topics he/she/other actually feel interest in.
I don't agree with your entire post, but you made some good points. I agree financial studies should be mandatory.
@@abesapien9930 Yes, students are stuying their whole life for adulthood, yet they have no idea how things actually work! That means something is very wrong... =/
Well, my view of the perfect school might be somewhat wishful thinking, without necessary be possible in practise :P But it wouldn't hurt turning to an approach towards something like that!
What did you not like about it? And what would you suggest instead? =) I believe in free-speech and not agreeing with each other is what produces reasonable solutions.
Homeschoolers do indeed leave their homes. We don’t live like shut ins.
@@nobody2662 exactly...
I learn by Googling what I missed back in school in the 1970's. I am 64 and crave learning all I can about everything. Too bad there isnt a college degree from "Google University".
Haha.. I'd like to get it too if it was possible lol
In ANY system of schooling, FIRST ask who CONTROLS the curriculum. The POLITICS behind the EDUCATION system will determine whether mass-schooling is good or bad.
this, right here. you cant have a political system that is controlled and acts antagonistically to the human condition and then expect it to want to produce an outcome that's Improving of the human condition.
That is all good, but kids need to build two basic skills from a very young age: vocabulary development through reading, and math skills. Self-directed education activities are fine, as long as those two fundamental skills are not neglected.
what do you think about learning that then becoming unschooled
@@dresixx92102 I´m sorry, could you rephrase the question?
@@dresixx92102 I've done that! I'm unschooled since 9th grade.. Now I've mastered 15 languages! 3 instruments.. I'm running my e business.. I'm just 17..
So grateful that I told my parents 'bout the idea.. And they supported me..
School is just a bad monopoly.. Its all political business going on in a way..!
I learnt everything I wanted.. Language after language.. I had enough time..
Many ppl don't know it!
It's free from fear of grades!
Free from the theory of mug up! Throw up on exam! Clean up! And repeat!
It's real education.. More kinda forever education.. The meaning of education is so mixed now..
It comes from a word 'educe'.. Meaning to bring out thus education was meant to bring out hidden talents, great virtues and potential of one's... Its life long process but now its just completely vanishing by intermixing it with schooling!
They both are so different! School is like factory.. Education is so much more than just cramming and putting in of info..
Its about intelligence, potential, talent, determination and self awareness!
@@neptune0909 hey I appreciate the response I actually had a easier time since school became at home anyway and I'm done now 😂
I've been an autodidact since the 3rd grade, and having a nearly insatiable curiosity about everything hasn't hurt that process at all. It seems both are requisite for those whose education is not determined by schedule, or policy.
Exactly
I'm unschooled since 9th grade.. I've mastered 15 languages! 3 instruments.. I'm running my e business.. I'm just 17..
So grateful that I told my parents 'bout the idea.. And they supported me..
School is just a bad monopoly.. Its all political business going on in a way..!
I learnt everything I wanted.. Language after language.. I had enough time..
Im even more aware than those sitting in high schools.. I learnt so much more thru this process
Free thinking.
“Thought Provoking”...I agree with this 💡 idea.
Why?
Okay, this seems good, how we do implement it to 99% of the US population? How do we replace out public school system we have now? What will this cost? Will it be more expensive? I just don't see how you do this for anyone but a select minority. Will we have teachers? I would like to see a detailed plan to implement this with a large school district. She talks a lot about how great this is, but lacks even basic details on how to implement it to a large population. It smells like a way to keep rich kids away from everyone else and give them resources that 99% of the population don't have.
How did cell phones come to be normal instead of only for a select few?
Culture and technological change over time.
@@JackLloyd What? You are comparing cell phones to an education system? Get out of here.
@@MichaelBartleySocrates How complex is a cell phone?
Have you thought about how many people it took to make it?
@@JackLloyd You really have no idea what you are talking about. Making cell phones and educating all of the population have zero to do with each other. Again, what is YOUR plan for implementing this new system to ALL Americans?
@@MichaelBartleySocrates It appears that you're confused. I am not speaking to the mechanics of making a cell phone.
I am speaking to the COMPLEXITY of a cell phone.
Cell phones are complex to make. Schooling is a complex system.
However, both can be made accessible to even the poorest.
It requires not equivocating Prussian compulsory schooling with "education."
Learn how this works at: self-directed.org
Just because we are curious doesn't mean most of us are creative.
I think I know what you want to do with this idea but with the current ideologies in place that's not the right time to implement it. There is not enough research that supports the idea that education outside of institutions proves better. Your position is I'm afraid quite dangerous.
Conformed are ya ?
This already happens in Sweden and Germany.
No.
Are you referring to "Waldorfschulen" in Germany?
So would you get rid of schools? If everyone is unschooling then public schools wouldn't be necessary.
Also all the money that goes to the school would have to be dispersed somewhere else.
Finally how will these kids learn if both parents have to work to afford a home, food, utilities, etc. ?
This lady is wrong, kids who go to private schools where strict rule are enforced, uniformity is enforced, creates an environment where kids can learn best. Free from distractions of hair cuts, and the way others are dressing... One of public schools largest problems is the lack of strict rules and uniformity. Somewhere around 80% of people are not and never will be creative in any meaningful way. Just a cold hard fact... You are likely not very special, you will never be special, chances that you are even unique is almost 0. Find something you can do that other people need, then do that over and over until you die.
I used to not be very creative, but I joined a creative problem solving tournament called Odyssey of the Mind that literally taught me creativity. Saying that 80% of people simply aren't creative is an outdated idea that comes from the same era as the education that this video is criticizing. It's no exaggeration when I say that every single person I met when I went to world finals for OotM was incredibly creative; and most didn't start out that way.
This reminds me of the school Elon Musk's helped Ad Astra school.
This reminds me of that Beavis & Butthead where they write a school report on morning wood.
“Nothing is required of the child.” Hmmm... I understand that the premise is to foster their assets, but not everyone will be able to make a living with their preferred talents, so I wonder how they fair longitudinally in the workforce when asked to do something or when things don’t go their way?
Let’s be real, we are talking about people like me who forego college for the free education you can receive on UA-cam.
School is to ensure basic and common knowledge of facts... In what depth and form could be a question... But imagining, children running around, doing what they in that particular moment want, because we do not want to force them to anything, and "mentoring" them? :) Good luck :D
No one will do math anymore. Only the top 1%. Owait.
The classroom style learning comes from waaaay before the industrial revolution (even Harvard was giving classes before the industrial revolution! And it had classrooms, teachers, and curriculum for students of each year). But hey, lacking proper arguments, this person really needs to connect current educational systems with robots.
The massification and affordability of modern education has granted unprecedented opportunity for individuals to gain knowledge and related skills. So let's just adopt this radical model without any demonstrated advantage and multiple actual and potential shortcomings (including not teaching those very skills that we understand to be necessary and fostering the already negative impact of knoweldge and cultural isolation bubbles, not to speak of the high cost of extreme individualization). Yeah, let's leave one of our most precious resources up to the whims of childhood curiosity. After all, we don't know better, do we? Ah, thought so...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Children_Seriously
@@BNK2442 Funny, can't take those parents seriously though
It took freedom and autonomy 2100 years to advance from the pythagorean theorem to the fundamental theorem of calculus.
I believe that forced factory schooling has resulted in medical science that will let my children live longer than me, but not that much longer.
Oh....utopias....yes, school sucks, but what is nowadays the plausible alternative? Generally both parents have to work, and frankly most adults are too ignorant and self-serving to successfully guide their own children. Then we get flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, evolution deniers, climate-change deniers, theocrats, etc. I personally think the IDEA of unschooling is fantastic as long as it’s mainly brought to reality through a project-driven learning system, together with short skill-centered periods. But to think it’s the be-all-end-all for everyone, is childishly utopic, just as the current model of public education is. I’ve seen plenty of articles about, and met, plenty of homeschoolers and some unschoolers and frankly it’s like 30-40% of them are amazing, yet not ready for the world, and the rest are typically BEHIND, (except some of them know their bible verse very well).
My daughter just entered kingergarten and she knows pretty much all of the knowledge and has all the skills the teacher said were their “goals” for the end of the year. I’m dying to be able to get a part time job to be able to spend time with her in the afternoons to get her to the park and explore nature, teach her music, etc. and in conversation and play teach her more math, science and art, because I know that as far as her education goes, this year will almost be lost if we only count on school. It’s essentially going to be a year for “socializing” her. Add to that the crappy food they serve them in school (and then people wonder why we have a crisis of adults addicted to sugar, simple carbs and saturated fats). Ugh. We probably wouldn’t be able to afford an unschooling center and I certainly cannot just stop working.
Here is a link to Kerry’s book on Amazon :
www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/author/ref=dbs_a_mng_awm_scns_share%3F_encoding=UTF8&asin=B001K8JYO4
_unschooling .. priceless !_
Wouldn't children want to play the whole time if they could?
André Diniz play is learning.
@@nobody2662 No doubt, but is it enough?
André Diniz yes. I’ve been unschooled since the second grade. One of the best things that ever happened to me. School nearly destroyed me.
I fully support this.
👍 Nothing is impossible, the word itself says “I’m possible”! A cool entrepreneur @evenkingsfall (his insta) stresses you have to THINK BIG to WIN BIG! Always keep that mindset! Looking forward to your next video 🖤
jurgen klopp
Very well said & the world needs to accept this. We need to adapt
I knew a kid in a Montessori school who spent an entire term writing to i think 100,000. dude didn't learn anything except how to fill in little boxes on a ream. When he was transferred to a regular public school he was held back a year because kids cant regulate their learning.
I think the big problem is that kid can't question... I mean, if you're in a Algebra class and the teacher asks: "questions?" and a kid ask "where is this equation used?" Many times the teacher as NO idea and cannot give a 'real' example. So they immediatly 'funel' kids learning to "what's gonna be on the next test" and not to enrich their knowledge.
So hat your brain can work at the best level, learning how to eat correctly is also indispensable: it's not so simple.
The Idealistic World of Neo-Marxism in First World contexts? "When you give young people total freedom and autonomy, they will respect that space" ? yeah.......
Might have been a good idea to define "unschooling" instead of just assuming we all know what it is already.
I like that y'all made this video to lead me to entertain the idea of being too independent from learning a certain task can (not always, but can) lead to misappropriation of priorities since "nothing is forced"
the real problem is that we teach the left brain's digitized binary definitions
without telling the children that nature is not literally composed of 'digits'.
The electron mass, for instance, is a quality not a quantity of an abstract quality,
like a Joule Or Volt, and it is not even a single quality, but a spread of qualities....
Nature is Analog. Not every electron is the same, just as no analog wave form
is the same as the previous one. This is because our Right brain has a less
stringent sense of 'identity'. our right brain only cares that it could be an electron
and that it can't be anything else we've measured, such as a muon. Whereas,
our left brain wants to say, it is an electron because it has exactly these
precise number of artificially defined qualities(i.e. volts or joules)
+ or - margin of imprecision. Notice how this presumes it is a
quantity an that there is a hidden precise quantity. none of this
is empirical. Students need to understand this in order for the
human race to evolve past everyone hating each other; in fact,
every conflict in history is between a mroe lingusitic/beurocratic side
and a relativelly less lingusitic/beurocratic side. history can be reframed
in terms of left brain prioritized versus right brain prioritized.
i want to understand, but i don't. How can i understand this?
Fifty professors disliked this video. =-P
Stop saying young people. I’m 31!
I wanna homeschool my kids...but i'm not even sure what to teach them without any curriculum...plus i come from a country where homeschool is not a thing yet..help
Search for Khan academy. It's a great resource for home schooling and it is free to use
Be sure to study every word of The Constitution of The United States of America. In the original. And the Amendments.
Take it in baby steps. A little at a time. And, listen to as many of KrisAnne Hall's videos as you can manage.
You need more lights on her face guys... she will look younger
Lmao true.
All the things you just listed that separates us from robots, arr all names of robots on Mars.. Oops...
YES!
True
I can’t stand all the hippy-dippy rubbish these people come up with. Think about how many of these ‘new and improved’ models have failed students over the last four decades. How about showing compelling evidence these models actually work on a large sample of students.
We are built with love , we out move robots everytime with this . Trouble is its the people that love and the science shuts love out of any lab anywhere . Thats your problem . Love keeps snookering science . Have a wonderfull day :)
What a ridiculous comment
I would be so stupid if I was limited to what my parents would've exposed me to. I used to teach homeschool/unschool science classes for co-ops... I see a direct correlation in the rise in the belief of flat earth theory/ forcing your kids to drink industrial bleach instead of taking them to the doctor and unschooling.
So give us money so that in school we will let children roam around free.