How to turbo BMW m50/m52 engine, part 3 - Turbo oil and coolant lines
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Part 3 of the BMW e30 m50 turbo build. In this part we will show how to do turbo oil and coolant lines for a m50/m52 engine. We also show how to time cams for M50NV engine without special tools and how to tighten the crankshaft bolt without torque wrench.
The eBay turbo we used: tinyurl.com/y3...
Using the oil lines for the vanos to supply the turbo is genius. I'm attempting to do something similar now with an e46 323i and M52 engine. Your videos are giving me a lot of good ideas for my project!
Very likeable videos. Simple, cheap, good explanation. I just can't wait for the next episodes!
+Gyikhuszar Thanks!
I love your idea for the return line on the timing chain cover. That means I won't have to pull the engine to modify the sump. Brilliant!
Thank GOD for this still beeing up and not deleted. I just got my E46 with the M52 engine and just bought a turbo and manifoil for it. So this is huge help! :D
Well yeah why should I delete these :D Though these have some things I was wrong etc. but still lot of useful information.
@@pazi88Thank you so much for these videos, i will watch all of them. Next year I want to put a turbo on my M50 e36, and I'm sure your videos will help a lot. 😌
@@milanswat4 Great to hear that 😁
Nice detailed video! Very professional. Pretty good you did the little detour to Kailatec and filmed it too.
I'm not even finish and I still understand your humor
Sorry this took too long to make, but here it is now.
pazi88 very helpful thank you! Building my engine today
Love the videos! Subscribed and waiting for part 4.
the torque wrench trick was very cool
This is based in physics and is a really great trick for when you aren't able to use a device to measure. Torque (Nm and ftlb) is based on linear displacement. It can be written as "t(orque)=F(orce)r(adius)"
1Nm is equal to 1 newton of force at a distance of 1 meter
1ftlb is equal to 1 pound of force at a distance of 1 foot
t=Fr=1*1=1
For example, if I want 200ftlbs on a bolt, I could put:
200lbs of force 1ft away.
t=Fr=200*1=200
100lbs of force 2ft away
t=Fr=100*2=200
50lbs of force 4ft away
t=Fr=50*4=200
etc. etc.
Yep that can be calculated by simple physics formulas. As I did :D
Great video thanks! Wil be following this when I get my E30 M50 running
Some turbo tips for newbs
Oil the Turbo the DAY YOU GET IT !
Use a BOV
Pull the oil return line off, start the engine and SEE that the oil flow is sufficient ! To little oil ,ta ta turbo.
A tip for next time, loosen the oil pan a little before removing the front cover. And also, tap out the two small pins in the front cover before pulling it out.
And when installing the cover, tap the pins back in before tightening the screws :)
Thanks a lot for the update. Has been very helpful.
Hope to see it on a dyno soon. Good Luck
Thanks so mutch for the video, really liked it!
great work, keep the updates coming
I have a question. Couldn't the oil drain go to the oil pan instead of that cover?
Of course it could. However, due to the engine angle, just bolting it straight to the oil pan wall isn’t a good solution - the oil line will loop up slightly, meaning that oil will get trapped in the line unless you use a scavenging pump (which makes the system more complex and expensive). Removing the sump for modifying is also more difficult with this chassis and engine combination since you either need to lift the engine or drop the front subframe.
In addition to all that, draining to the front cover means you’ll have a shorter line, so it drains better. Also, in a low car, breaking a sump isn’t uncommon, but that then means fabricating a new sump. Probably more reasons to it, these are just off the top of my head.
I'll be basing my own build off what you boys did here!
I was able to remove the three top torx bolts of the timing case by just removing the top chain tensioner. This being M50 non-vanos
just parhaita nämä videot ku ei oo samanlaisia mitä melkeempä kaikki muut videot että on vaa pelkkiä kuvia lyöty video täyteen :/. just asiallista ja opettavaista tekemistä :)
Great video :) The series makes me even more tempted to turbo my e36.
+Andrew Savill Thanks! If the e36 is you daily, I wouldn't recommend but if it's not, go for it! (These DIY turbo engines tend to bit unreliable, so that's why I don't recommend to do it to daily driver).
Look up mcm how to turbo a car if you want reliability you can't go wrong listening to turbo yoda
+Crysis Contained Tuuuurrrrrbbboooooo Yoooooda (He's a Turbo Yoda) I watch Mcm :) Turbo is off the table as car is costing too much lol
+Andrew Savill I have a 92 e36 325is that I'm going to be pulling the engine and rebuilding soon (it definitely needs it) when I have the room, time and parts to do it (slowly gathering the parts) and I'm going to turbo it while the engine is out and thinking about experimenting with twin charging because why not. Only thing I haven't figured out yet is where I can find a shop near me to tune it (no performance shops where I live)
Twin charging is good setup if you have big turbo. With "small"turbo (less than 500 hp) it's not very feasible, because you can make it spool very low. And i wouldn't recommend the twin charging setup as first boosted setups, because it's much more complicated to build and tune. There is enough to figure out with turbo only. Then go to the twin charger setup, when you have more experience.
Vihdoinkin! Lisää pätkiä vain tulemaan ;)
Looking forward to see the next one. Great job!!!!!
great videos keep them coming! looking into turboing my car as well
Kivasti hyvä jakso, jatkoa odotellessa!
Mukava että kelpaa. Uutta tulee, kun kerkee muilta hommilta tekemään.
I love this thank you guys and your great!
Thanks!
No problem you guys are very helpful and quite cheerful love the attitude and all:) I hope one day I can work with people like you guys!
At 28:30 you say you don’t like basic screw hoseclamps for coolant lines. Why? What do you prefer? Great vid as always, keep them coming!!,
For bigger coolant lines I like to use the bmw oem clamps and for smaller ones I like to use the one-time use clamps that are also used from factory. Because of the sweet sweet oem look :D
Hey Pazi! When is part 4 in the making? Can't wait! :)
Part 4 and 5 are already filmed. I'm currently editting part 4 but there has been delay, because I upgraded My editting PC.
awesome 👍
Good video! thanks
awesome video i know iam thinking about doing my e30 also .when is part 4 ?
+E30ny The part 4 may take few months, because there is lot of going in my life currently. But the car should be ready for next summer, so all of the episodes should be out during spring.
Pazi we need more videos
hi. im wondering. the place u picked oil from. is it before the filter or after?
thanks and great video. Lots of like from norway =)
I got so scared when you started power tapping that hole for the filter housing. D:
Paras sarja mitä youtubesta löytyy!
This is awsome thanks so much for the information. I am subscribed. Would love to get the links of where you got yourstuff. Im of the same mindset. Looking for an e46 328CI or something similar and manual then go about turboing on a budget. Great stuff
Thanks. I have tried to add Ebay links to the parts we have used in the videos to the video descriptions. For example the exact eBay turbo. I would be pleased if you buy the parts using my links, I will get small cut of the profit. it doesn't cost you any more than buying without link from eBay ;)
An4 letku 5mm sisähalkaisijalla riittänee varmaan HX40 ahtimelle? Todella hyviä ja selviä videoita!
Anttu Silander Joo pitäsi riittää.
Hyvältä näyttää :)
Nice build! Have a question, why you chose that place for turbo oil return line over the sump? Sump seems to be a lot easier choice. Or you cant get the sump off without removing the engine.
Terveisiä Viro!
+myrakas86 Some of the turbos need the oil return to be over the oil level in the sump. For example Holset turbos will smoke and consume oil if the oil return line goes to the sump. I don't know if this particular turbo requires the the return line to be over the oil level but I made it to the front cover just in case. And we may use bigger Holset turbo in future, so in that case we don'n need to change the return.
+pazi88 Ok, thanks for the reply. Didnt consider that for a reason, but will keep it in mind.
keep on man!!
This makes me wanna turbo my E34. ^V^
I have a question about your oil return, why didn't you choose this concept at first with your most recent engine? Fitting + 2 copper washers, at first you welded it, why?
This was always leaking little bit, so we wanted return that doesn't leak.
@@pazi88 And the AN bulkhead fitting that you use now won't leak?
Sorry if you explained in a video. Are you using the Aluminium (europe) m52b28 for turbo project here? I heard m50m25 is much better because it’s iron block. Thanks!
Yes alu block. And yes the iron block is tougher, but it's really needed in really high hp builds (+600hp)
Which flares are those. I want them.
+EuroGarage If I remember correctly, those are these ones: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-flares-fender-flare-wheel-arch-extension-arches-trims-jdm-wide-set-e-/252150761680
what compression u r using? do you use o- rings? thanks dude keep up the work
+MyKnifeBeLike Stock compression. This will be run on ethanol, so that's ok. No rings at the moment. We will upgrade the head gasket when it fails.
+pazi88 i want to work with the stock ecu on 0.8 bar without ethanol, do u think i should go less on compression?
+MyKnifeBeLike It's doable but make sure to use premium (98 octane in EU) fuel and be very careful with the engine tune. The stock pistons will crack very easily if the engine knocks. If you are using stock ecu from m52 (siemens ms41)it has very good knock sensing, so it should do very well with good tune and correct maf+injectors.
hey pazi... the cover your friend is removing at 2:03... my e30 doesnt have covers like that... is that off an e36?? where do u get covers like that to hide the wiring. yes i am watching your vids for the 100th time
knives4apro Saunders It's e30 m3 cover.
pazi88 then i have no chance in finding one of those. lolol. i might just hide the wiring under the firewall or guards. thanks pazi. love your vids man
just buy new. It's something like 20 bucks.
if i keep the vanos is oil starvation to the vanos or turbo a concern?
Nope. It will work fine.
lol biltema torque wrench. do these turbo e30's pass inspection in Finland or they're strictly for the track?
Yes these are street legal in Finland when there is less than 203hp in use at street.
thats good to know, thanks!
Can an M52 handle 600-700whp stock internals like a 2JZ can?
The PIANA Meth Pills Diet No it can't. Or maybe for short time. But with forged pistons and connecting rods and it can take +1000hp
What about m52b28 iron cast bottom, m54b30 crank camshaft + m50 intake. Stock rods/pistons. Is it reasonable to think 375/425 hp ?
Mls cometic 0.140 HG + arp head studs
Where in the vanos unit do I tap in for turbo lines? Or should I say how I guess the same banjo fitting or something with it
Check from 4:20 onwards. You can put double banjo bolt to the vanos oil feed line and have the oil feed for the turbo from there. No need to tap anywhere.
Awesome thank you so much
what would happen if you don't put the plastic cover back, at 21:40?
bdusanek There will be extra oil coming out of breather
What size turbo would you suggest with the model I mentioned below?
I'm a bit confused. Are you running an oil feed from vanos and if so what would the location be and is it reliable
I'm running the turbo oil feed from the same banjo as the vanos oil feed with double banjo bolt. No problems in that. This m50 doesn't have vanos so the the vanos oil feed can be used for turbo oil feed as it is.
29:10 Kaasuläpällä tarkotat varmaa jotain mikä säätelee ilman virtausta koneesee? oon untuvikko näissä asioissa nii pakko kysyä että otitko sen pois vai miten uskalsit ryövätä siltä nestekierron. osa ei minusta kuulosta kovin kuumenevalta että miksi sillä edes oli nestekierto? ja näen turboa käytettävän ensikertaa "toisinpäin" tässä videossa että imette ohuemmasta reiästä ja ahdatte isompaan.
Mikki Hintikka Kaasuläpällä on nestekierto, että se pysyy pakkasellakin lämpimänä, eikä jäädy umpeen. Tällä ei ajeta talvella ja jos ajettais, niin turbo varmasti pitäs kaasuläpän muutenkin lämpimänä, niin koko nestekiertoa ei tarvi. Ja turbo kyllä toimii ihan normaalisti tässä. Olet ehkä käsittänyt jotain väärin.
pazi88 kiitos! en osannutkaan ajatella että se olisi lämmitystä varten. ja katson vielä kerran uudestaan että näinkö teidän setupin väärin!
Itselläni e39 523i ja eBay turbiini. Pitäisi siis öljyn kierto saada samaan tapaan toimimaan?
Joo kyllä.
so youre turbo'ing the engine with stock compression which is like 10:1?
Yes. Perfectly fine with e85. I even went almost up to 12:1 on my latest build.
BMW e36 2.0 M52 VANOS can be mounted turbo ? or a set of ebay suited ?
+Czachan Not sure what you are asking. But the turbo can be mounted to 2.0 m52 in the same way,
What brake booster are you using? Building my m50 e30 aswell
+Tommy It's vw golf mkIII booster. You can find same kind of boosters also from mkI and mkII golfs. The part number should be something like xxx 612 105x (x can be anything) and it should fit with minor modification. The modification that it will need depends which car you can get the booster.
what are you using to adapt the temp sender or pressure sender to the oil? i need that!
+BuiltT5 This kind of adapter: www.sw-tuning.de/en/y-adapter-M12-X-1-5-for-oil-pressure-gauge::25708.html
käytättekö one:ssa vr vai hall kampiakselin anturia?
Cherry Hall anturit siinä on ollu sen jälkeen kun siirryttiin kdfi:stä pois. Ei mitään ongelmia sillä rintamalla.
22:20 did you make oil adapter(for sensors) yourself ?
+Zuze91 No those are just some universal adapters from local auto parts store. Not the best way to do that, but very easy and cheap.
Why not run oil drain into the sump? Easier to get at the front case?
+fellowship of the goat Most of the turbos require the oil return line to be above the oil level. Otherwise those turbos will start to burn oil and smoke. You can't get the return line above the oil level by installing it to sump.
Oh ok, fair enough. Noted for when I do my M42 turbo build.
In regards to the feed, I imagine that the oil pressure is enough to push the oil uphill into the turbo?
+fellowship of the goat Yes there is no that kind of problems in oil feed. Only the oil drain is critical, but how critical it depends of your turbo. But in general make that as big as you can, no uphill sections and it should end above the oil level in engine. Otherwise you might end up with smoky turbo.
OK, thanks heaps man. Great videos, I've been in your thread on r3v since the start, big fan of the cars.
Last thing: how much of a difference does the E34 rear end make?
Which helicoils did you use for oil housing? I want to buy them also.
Just some cheap helicoils from eBay. Not genuine stuff.
I mean what are diameters? I don't know whitout bolts in hand.
M8 helicoils. You can check the bolt sizes from realoem for example: www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=CD11-EUR-05-1995-E36-BMW-328i&diagId=11_1288
I can only hear " LOLE " and that's it ..
REAL man have 9 fingers :P
Mistä olet oppinut tuon kaiken?? Minua kiinnostaisi myös nuo hommat.
Ihan itse kokeilemalla ja netistä tietoa imemällä :D
nice video :) can i get turbos model name? :)
It's named w30gt at eBay. There are dozens of Sellers for these chinese turbos.
Hopefully you removed the paper towel from the water pump passage in the block...
Yes that was removed :D
epic photoshop skillz m8 :D
Paint skilz!
Monta millinen toi hydrauliikka nippa on mikä tulee tohon etukoppaan?
Öljynsuodattimen päässä m14 ja turbossa m10 tai m12. En muista tarkkaan. Kumpaakin kokoa tainnu olla.
красавчик
ja sinnehän se uppoaa kuin van... kunhan vain muistaa olla vääntämättä tiivisteitä ruttuun :)
Paljaalla on paras tuntuma
10:55 Tosimiehet elää riskialttiisti
8:13 :D
saako ahtimeen jotain linkkiä mistä saa tilattua
+ville hytönen Ei enään samaa ollu myynnissä, mut näitähän on ebay täynnä. Tuossa esim. aika samanlainen: www.ebay.de/itm/Burstflow-Turbolader-BT-WGT30-70A-R-bis-368-Kw-500-PS-V-Band-mit-WG-universal-/261841764365?hash=item3cf6fc400d:m:mRpQm-bDeTrvolFHAa_5lGw
onko mitään järkee turbottaa 323 e46 -98?
Mikäpä siinä. Oon minä niitä säätäny vakio moottorinohjauksella turbolle jo jokusen.
Miten tuo kone kestää turbottamista?
Hyvin se kestää. Noilla on nyt minun säätämänä ajettu 0,5 - 1 bar paineilla avaamattomilla koneilla. Bensalla sekä viinalla. Kansipahvihan noissa on vakiona jo MLS mallia, niin se kestää perus massatiivistettä huomattavasti enemmän painetta.
Missäpäin vaikutat jos saa kysyä?
Oulussa.
Please tell me one think that nice car awesome engine and poor chinese turbo why not good quality i know is cheap but when dat turbo failed he eay can damaged engine...
+qweqweawea asdascxycyx This e30 has been built with minimum budget right from the start. It's not like we don't have money, but if there is not much money spent to build the car, we can beat the shit out of it without worrying too much. And these m50/m52 engines are dirt cheap so if the engine breaks, we will just buy new one with couple of hundred bucks.
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+warro007 No jes :D
richtige Pfuscher alter
hi. im wondering. the place u picked oil from. is it before the filter or after?
thanks and great video. Lots of like from norway =)
Thanks! It's before filter.
You dont want it after?
It hardly makes any difference. There shouldn't be any metal particles in the oil and if there is, it always means engine rebuilt and the turbo has to be inspected also in the process.