This is perfect message for our time, most speakers do not encourage God's people to leave the GC Church they say 'stay with the ship'. But many a people have also gone down with the ship when they've stayed with it. Praise God, you have proven that when all has been done that can be done, and yet they still persist in walking the broad path of apostasy it is necessary to leave. I left a few years ago, for the same reason you spoke of, I had concerns about getting caught up in it too. Thank you for this wonderful message.
Halleluyah! My wife and I redirected our tithes and offerings a year ago and 2 months ago we left the new organization that hijacked and trademarked the name of SDA and we requested our names be removed from their records! We pray fir them and have shown the truth to them but they continue on as though they are the remnant....
Thank you for this clear and biblical lecture. The faithful Seventh-day Adventists should unite, but not with those who have strayed from the faith and persist in sin: „We have a testing message to give, and I am instructed to say to our people, Unify, unify. But we are not to unify with those who are departing from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. With our hearts sweet and kind and true, we are to go forth to proclaim the message, giving no heed to those who lead away from the truth.“ RH April 19, 1906, par. 23
@boytapanganvlogs Thanks. In Acts 19, Paul separate the true followers without waiting they get kicked out. We have trinity since 1930, remarriage after any divorce, homosexual pastors who preach in favor of homosexuality with the consent of the union under knowledge and tolerance of the GC. What shall we wait for more? I ever felt as an undesired piece of shit in tacoma-park adventism...
I left some years ago, also requesting my name be taken of the books. The trigger for me was, the fact they persisted in continuing down the path of apostasy, even after trying to speak to those concerned, I did not want to be taken in by it. I believed if I remained this could very well have happened. I tried speaking to them with Bible and SOP, but they did not want to know., if they did make an effort to change, it did not take too long before it slid back to the old ways. As to when you personally leave, I think you will know, it won't take long to find out once you start standing up for the right and confronting leadership etc, in the recommended way.
@@boytapanganvlogsPlease study 2Peter 2:18 KJV the word used is “ESCAPED” it implies “HURRY. “ Texts Previous to this text , is warning about false teachers . To me, escape from false teachers from their false teachings which could be 99.99% truth mingled with 0.1% false, NOW, less, you too can become corrupt (GC 382.3); 2Corinthians 6:14-18; 6BC1102”…it is impossible for you to unite with those who are corrupt and still remain pure… if he unites with the corrupt, he will become corrupt.” 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
God doesn’t call his people to come out of his remnant movement, whether Israel of old or seventh day adventism which is modern Israel. God calls his people out of paganism which is why you can note in scripture God leading his people out of Egypt, and taking them out of Babylon, Media-Persia, etc. When the spirit of paganism persist within God’s remnant movement his call is not for his people to disassociate themselves from the movement as the movement itself is not corrupt, rather their are corrupt people within it that we are do disassociate ourselves from if they refuse to repent. Today, though all churches under the conference our under the seducing delusion of the trinity doctrine as well as other injustices such as what occurred during the plandemic many individual church bodies under the conference are sincere and doing the best they can to preach present truth as far as their knowledge stretches. And even as the gc is corrupt which would be the temple by its typological comparison, people shouldn’t uphold the sins within it even as the children of Israel didn’t uphold the sins of Eli’s sons but again we must not remove ourselves from the official SDA movement which was established by God just as the children of Israel didn’t remove themselves from being Israelites due to their being tares among the wheat, rather we must mourn for the sins in our movement and send up our petitions for divine intervention even as the true faithful did in Ezekiel 9 until God removes tares from among the wheat. One thing we must remember is that we are not fighting God’s fight, it is bigger than us and even though we must call sin by it’s name, the fight as far as we are concerned doesn’t end with our physical actions, but rather our spiritual ones, thus no amount of human intervention or retracting can quench the flames of apostasy. We must pray for our fellow remnant kinsmen and movement even as Daniel prayed for his in Daniel ch. 9. It is not of God that we remove ourselves from what God has established even if we continue to call ourselves SDA’s as we never saw a movement come out of God’s established Israel and still call themselves Israel. The movement which came out of Israel (Christianity) was ordained by Christ Jesus himself but it was not for men to establish on their own, rather we see a pattern where up until Christ establishing Christianity, Israel was a perpetual back slider for thousands of years even becoming heavy practicers of paganism. We cant be of such low faith today that we believe its up to us mortal men to establishing a new movement and call the one which God established a total loss after just about a hundred and odd years of bad but comparably way less atrocious sins than ancient Israel. We must separate ourselves from committing the same apostasy and call it out when necessary but not remove ourselves from God’s established movement. Quotes by inspiration: “Some have advanced the thought that as we near the close of time, every child of God will act independently of any religious organization. But I have been instructed by the Lord that in this work there is no such thing as every man's being independent. The stars of heaven are all under law, each influencing the other to do the will of God, yielding their common obedience to the law that controls their action. And in order that the Lord's work may advance healthfully and solidly, his people must draw together.” (Gospel Workers (1915 ed.) p.487.2) “Let not the professed people of God think it a privilege to separate from conference organization, that they may show their supposed efficiency. This is entirely opposed to God's order. There is need of perfect unity and love, and this will appear when we learn of Jesus.” (16LtMs, Ms 97, 1901, par. 31) “It is the plan of God that every church and every conference shall cherish the feeling of reciprocal dependence. We are to build one another up in the most holy faith, seeking the impartation of the Holy Spirit, that light may be reflected in clear, bright rays.”(16LtMs, Ms 97, 1901, par. 32) “God has a church upon the earth who are His chosen people, who keep His commandments. He is leading, not stray offshoots, not one here and one there, but a people. The truth is a sanctifying power; but the church militant is not the church triumphant. There are tares among the wheat. “Wilt thou then that we ... gather them up?” was the question of the servant; but the master answered, “Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.” The gospel net draws not only good fish, but bad ones as well, and the Lord only knows who are His.” (CCh 240.1)
All of God's promises are conditional on obedience. What does Ellen White prophesy if the Seventh-day Adventist community is disobedient? Here are 5 quotes that give us food for thought! „I have been shown that the spirit of the world is fast leavening the church. You are following the same path as did ancient Israel. There is the same falling away from your holy calling as God's peculiar people. You are having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Your concord with unbelievers has provoked the Lord's displeasure. You know not the things that belong to your peace, and they are fast being hid from your eyes. Your neglect to follow the light will place you in a more unfavorable position than the Jews upon whom Christ pronounced a woe.“ 5T 75.3 „Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out.“ LDE 48.1 „I am instructed to say that we must do all we possibly can for these deceived ones. Their minds must be freed from the delusions of the enemy, and if we fail in our efforts to save these erring ones, we must “come out from among them” and be separate.“-Manuscript 106, 1905, 8. (“A Plea for Loyalty,” November 20, 1905.) 7MR 190.1 „I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen Churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. ... But the light will shine. and all who honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant.“ (Early Writings, p. 261) „I saw that the nominal churches and nominal Adventists, like Judas, would betray us to the Catholics, to obtain their influence to come against the saints. The saints will be an obscure people, but little known to the Catholics, but the church and nominal Adventists will know of our faith and customs, and will betray the saints and report them to the Catholics as those who disregard the institution of the pope-that is, they keep the Sabbath and disregard Sunday.“ 1EGWLM 245.1 - And the Catholics know the official or nominal Seventh-day Adventist church very well, but not the true separated SDAs or saints!
Dear brother, you speak as if leaving the denomination was solely a choice of church members. Personally I was expelled from the church, without real trial, for having presented the nontrinitarian position. I also was humiliated by a leader during a Sabbath where I expounded on the nontrinitarian position. How should we consider this church which censors the debate? I also think of Brother Conrad Vine who was censored for daring to criticize the behavior of SDA leaders during the epidemic crisis. Should you stay in a church that uses tithes and offerings to contribute financially to Protestant federations that observe Sunday? or whose senior leaders establish links with the Jesuit movements? There are many other questions. Today's sermon responds perfectly to these questions because the time is short... Are you raising your own voice to denounce the sins of God's people? - “Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God.” 3T 280.3
"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them 𝒘𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒔 𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒕𝒍𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒕𝒂𝒄𝒕 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒄𝒉𝒖𝒓𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒔 𝒂𝒔 𝒑𝒐𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒃𝒍𝒆, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." {12MR 333.1}
"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them 𝒘𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒔 𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒕𝒍𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒕𝒂𝒄𝒕 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒄𝒉𝒖𝒓𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒔 𝒂𝒔 𝒑𝒐𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒃𝒍𝒆, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." {12MR 333.1}
The next thing that was shown me was the great sin of parents neglecting their children. I saw that they would have an awful account to give in Caughdenoy. They had fostered and cherished the evil tempers of their children until God's frown was upon them and their children. They have forgotten that which is written in the Holy Word. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son" [Proverbs 13:24], and the children are left to come up instead of being brought up or trained up. The poor little children are thought not to know or understand a correction at eight, nine, or ten months old. They begin to show stubbornness very young, and it is cherished and nourished by their parents until these evil passions grow with their growth, and strengthen with their strength. 1LtMs, Ms 3, 1854, par. 19
Be Warned Parents The next thing that was shown me was the great sin of parents neglecting their children. I saw that they would have an awful account to give in Caughdenoy. They had fostered and cherished the evil tempers of their children until God's frown was upon them and their children. They have forgotten that which is written in the Holy Word. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son" [Proverbs 13:24], and the children are left to come up instead of being brought up or trained up. The poor little children are thought not to know or understand a correction at eight, nine, or ten months old. They begin to show stubbornness very young, and it is cherished and nourished by their parents until these evil passions grow with their growth, and strengthen with their strength. 1LtMs, Ms 3, 1854, par. 19
This is perfect message for our time, most speakers do not encourage God's people to leave the GC Church they say 'stay with the ship'. But many a people have also gone down with the ship when they've stayed with it. Praise God, you have proven that when all has been done that can be done, and yet they still persist in walking the broad path of apostasy it is necessary to leave. I left a few years ago, for the same reason you spoke of, I had concerns about getting caught up in it too. Thank you for this wonderful message.
Halleluyah! My wife and I redirected our tithes and offerings a year ago and 2 months ago we left the new organization that hijacked and trademarked the name of SDA and we requested our names be removed from their records! We pray fir them and have shown the truth to them but they continue on as though they are the remnant....
@@godschurch8332 yes, leave the apostasy, and remain in the truth and by God’s grace, live and practice the truth🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for this clear and biblical lecture. The faithful Seventh-day Adventists should unite, but not with those who have strayed from the faith and persist in sin: „We have a testing message to give, and I am instructed to say to our people, Unify, unify. But we are not to unify with those who are departing from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. With our hearts sweet and kind and true, we are to go forth to proclaim the message, giving no heed to those who lead away from the truth.“ RH April 19, 1906, par. 23
Thank you for message. Praise God.
Where is Pastor Dustin Butler?
I have not seen him as of late.
Hello and thank you for your question. Brother Dustin is no longer employed by SDCR
@@jonnatanh.7503 😒
Well, OK and many thanks. But my question would be rather: when MUST we leave? What is the trigger?
Dont just leave without any reasons until they will kick you out...live the light you have receive until if they will not tolerate it thats the time
@boytapanganvlogs Thanks. In Acts 19, Paul separate the true followers without waiting they get kicked out. We have trinity since 1930, remarriage after any divorce, homosexual pastors who preach in favor of homosexuality with the consent of the union under knowledge and tolerance of the GC. What shall we wait for more? I ever felt as an undesired piece of shit in tacoma-park adventism...
I left some years ago, also requesting my name be taken of the books. The trigger for me was, the fact they persisted in continuing down the path of apostasy, even after trying to speak to those concerned, I did not want to be taken in by it. I believed if I remained this could very well have happened. I tried speaking to them with Bible and SOP, but they did not want to know., if they did make an effort to change, it did not take too long before it slid back to the old ways. As to when you personally leave, I think you will know, it won't take long to find out once you start standing up for the right and confronting leadership etc, in the recommended way.
@@boytapanganvlogsPlease study 2Peter 2:18 KJV the word used is “ESCAPED” it implies “HURRY. “ Texts Previous to this text , is warning about false teachers . To me, escape from false teachers from their false teachings which could be 99.99% truth mingled with 0.1% false, NOW, less, you too can become corrupt (GC 382.3); 2Corinthians 6:14-18; 6BC1102”…it is impossible for you to unite with those who are corrupt and still remain pure… if he unites with the corrupt, he will become corrupt.” 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
The apostasy which is happening now...read 2 Thessalonians 2🙏
Thank you
God doesn’t call his people to come out of his remnant movement, whether Israel of old or seventh day adventism which is modern Israel. God calls his people out of paganism which is why you can note in scripture God leading his people out of Egypt, and taking them out of Babylon, Media-Persia, etc. When the spirit of paganism persist within God’s remnant movement his call is not for his people to disassociate themselves from the movement as the movement itself is not corrupt, rather their are corrupt people within it that we are do disassociate ourselves from if they refuse to repent. Today, though all churches under the conference our under the seducing delusion of the trinity doctrine as well as other injustices such as what occurred during the plandemic many individual church bodies under the conference are sincere and doing the best they can to preach present truth as far as their knowledge stretches. And even as the gc is corrupt which would be the temple by its typological comparison, people shouldn’t uphold the sins within it even as the children of Israel didn’t uphold the sins of Eli’s sons but again we must not remove ourselves from the official SDA movement which was established by God just as the children of Israel didn’t remove themselves from being Israelites due to their being tares among the wheat, rather we must mourn for the sins in our movement and send up our petitions for divine intervention even as the true faithful did in Ezekiel 9 until God removes tares from among the wheat. One thing we must remember is that we are not fighting God’s fight, it is bigger than us and even though we must call sin by it’s name, the fight as far as we are concerned doesn’t end with our physical actions, but rather our spiritual ones, thus no amount of human intervention or retracting can quench the flames of apostasy. We must pray for our fellow remnant kinsmen and movement even as Daniel prayed for his in Daniel ch. 9. It is not of God that we remove ourselves from what God has established even if we continue to call ourselves SDA’s as we never saw a movement come out of God’s established Israel and still call themselves Israel. The movement which came out of Israel (Christianity) was ordained by Christ Jesus himself but it was not for men to establish on their own, rather we see a pattern where up until Christ establishing Christianity, Israel was a perpetual back slider for thousands of years even becoming heavy practicers of paganism. We cant be of such low faith today that we believe its up to us mortal men to establishing a new movement and call the one which God established a total loss after just about a hundred and odd years of bad but comparably way less atrocious sins than ancient Israel. We must separate ourselves from committing the same apostasy and call it out when necessary but not remove ourselves from God’s established movement.
Quotes by inspiration:
“Some have advanced the thought that as we near the close of time, every child of God will act independently of any religious organization. But I have been instructed by the Lord that in this work there is no such thing as every man's being independent. The stars of heaven are all under law, each influencing the other to do the will of God, yielding their common obedience to the law that controls their action. And in order that the Lord's work may advance healthfully and solidly, his people must draw together.” (Gospel Workers (1915 ed.) p.487.2)
“Let not the professed people of God think it a privilege to separate from conference organization, that they may show their supposed efficiency. This is entirely opposed to God's order. There is need of perfect unity and love, and this will appear when we learn of Jesus.” (16LtMs, Ms 97, 1901, par. 31)
“It is the plan of God that every church and every conference shall cherish the feeling of reciprocal dependence. We are to build one another up in the most holy faith, seeking the impartation of the Holy Spirit, that light may be reflected in clear, bright rays.”(16LtMs, Ms 97, 1901, par. 32)
“God has a church upon the earth who are His chosen people, who keep His commandments. He is leading, not stray offshoots, not one here and one there, but a people. The truth is a sanctifying power; but the church militant is not the church triumphant. There are tares among the wheat. “Wilt thou then that we ... gather them up?” was the question of the servant; but the master answered, “Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.” The gospel net draws not only good fish, but bad ones as well, and the Lord only knows who are His.” (CCh 240.1)
All of God's promises are conditional on obedience. What does Ellen White prophesy if the Seventh-day Adventist community is disobedient? Here are 5 quotes that give us food for thought!
„I have been shown that the spirit of the world is fast leavening the church. You are following the same path as did ancient Israel. There is the same falling away from your holy calling as God's peculiar people. You are having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Your concord with unbelievers has provoked the Lord's displeasure. You know not the things that belong to your peace, and they are fast being hid from your eyes. Your neglect to follow the light will place you in a more unfavorable position than the Jews upon whom Christ pronounced a woe.“ 5T 75.3
„Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out.“ LDE 48.1
„I am instructed to say that we must do all we possibly can for these deceived ones. Their minds must be freed from the delusions of the enemy, and if we fail in our efforts to save these erring ones, we must “come out from among them” and be separate.“-Manuscript 106, 1905, 8. (“A Plea for Loyalty,” November 20, 1905.) 7MR 190.1
„I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen Churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. ... But the light will shine. and all who honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant.“ (Early Writings, p. 261)
„I saw that the nominal churches and nominal Adventists, like Judas, would betray us to the Catholics, to obtain their influence to come against the saints. The saints will be an obscure people, but little known to the Catholics, but the church and nominal Adventists will know of our faith and customs, and will betray the saints and report them to the Catholics as those who disregard the institution of the pope-that is, they keep the Sabbath and disregard Sunday.“ 1EGWLM 245.1 - And the Catholics know the official or nominal Seventh-day Adventist church very well, but not the true separated SDAs or saints!
Dear brother, you speak as if leaving the denomination was solely a choice of church members. Personally I was expelled from the church, without real trial, for having presented the nontrinitarian position. I also was humiliated by a leader during a Sabbath where I expounded on the nontrinitarian position.
How should we consider this church which censors the debate?
I also think of Brother Conrad Vine who was censored for daring to criticize the behavior of SDA leaders during the epidemic crisis.
Should you stay in a church that uses tithes and offerings to contribute financially to Protestant federations that observe Sunday? or whose senior leaders establish links with the Jesuit movements?
There are many other questions.
Today's sermon responds perfectly to these questions because the time is short...
Are you raising your own voice to denounce the sins of God's people?
- “Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God.” 3T 280.3
"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them 𝒘𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒔 𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒕𝒍𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒕𝒂𝒄𝒕 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒄𝒉𝒖𝒓𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒔 𝒂𝒔 𝒑𝒐𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒃𝒍𝒆, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." {12MR 333.1}
Amen
"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them 𝒘𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒔 𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒕𝒍𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒕𝒂𝒄𝒕 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒄𝒉𝒖𝒓𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒔 𝒂𝒔 𝒑𝒐𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒃𝒍𝒆, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." {12MR 333.1}
This is very clear. Said since 1892
The next thing that was shown me was the great sin of parents neglecting their children. I saw that they would have an awful account to give in Caughdenoy. They had fostered and cherished the evil tempers of their children until God's frown was upon them and their children. They have forgotten that which is written in the Holy Word. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son" [Proverbs 13:24], and the children are left to come up instead of being brought up or trained up. The poor little children are thought not to know or understand a correction at eight, nine, or ten months old. They begin to show stubbornness very young, and it is cherished and nourished by their parents until these evil passions grow with their growth, and strengthen with their strength. 1LtMs, Ms 3, 1854, par. 19
Be Warned Parents
The next thing that was shown me was the great sin of parents neglecting their children. I saw that they would have an awful account to give in Caughdenoy. They had fostered and cherished the evil tempers of their children until God's frown was upon them and their children. They have forgotten that which is written in the Holy Word. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son" [Proverbs 13:24], and the children are left to come up instead of being brought up or trained up. The poor little children are thought not to know or understand a correction at eight, nine, or ten months old. They begin to show stubbornness very young, and it is cherished and nourished by their parents until these evil passions grow with their growth, and strengthen with their strength. 1LtMs, Ms 3, 1854, par. 19
Morning bro, just started watching only 2 mins in, however I see a simple copying error.
Jeremiah 51 v 11 is quoted instead of Jeremiah 51 v 45.
No they don't keep the commandments of God in the faith of Jesus they don't have either one