It may be a good idea to find your stall point as a prerequisite. Fly bubble has a good explanation of how to do this -> low to the ground (1-5ft) and without risk of falling out of the sky. Also, remember that if you are hovering with a fair amount of brake, a headwind gust can pitch the glider back far enough to stall, even though your amount of brake isn’t quite to the stall point yet. I only say this because happened to me once. luckily I was only 10-15ft high, but I hit the ground hard! I though I was safe because I knew I was far from my stall point. But head wind gusts can change that safety margin a bit.
Good points, especially for someone doing this for the first time. You probably develop a feel after a while. Maybe staying very low altitude, initially, so a fall wouldn't be devastating, pretty much exactly as you suggested for finding the stall point. It's not just headwind gusts that will do this, you can have the same effect on altitude anyway, from rapidly descending air (counter thermal, or outside a thunderstorm). It is interesting that rapidly INCREASED speed of flight can cause a stall, backwards to a fixed wing aircraft. I suspect this is nearly impossible to have happen in reality without brakes employed though, even though these wings are exceedingly draggy compared to a fixed rigid wing, especially WITH all the "wiring". I suspect it would have to be a REALLY dramatic gust.
Used to do this with RC sailplanes...one thing I learned very quickly, NEVER turn very far back into the hill, unless you are quite a ways out in front of it or above it. I know, seems simple stupid, but I extruded portions of my sailplane through a chain link fence once...not minor damage...good learning moment...and the several hours that followed remanufacturing half a wing from scratch.
Andre, It's so great your channel. I'm starting to a paraglider here in Brazil. I saw your project to do your paraglider game. I Think it would be really great for whom is starting flying. I've searched and i didnt find any game about glider handling on the ground. I develop computer apps as well.
I have seen most of your videos , very helpful and well made! Could you add the specifics of the wind speed each time you fly?? Would help a lot! When you say windy in this particular day how much was blowing??? Again awesome videos ! Thanks!!
lugoland in this particular day maybe around 30km/h. But just a figure is not that useful I don't think because "strong" depends a lot on the wing, your weight and the shape of the hill. For instance this is an Epic S and I'm 90kg so I was flying it very heavy and needed extra strong wind to be able to hover, but that is not relevant for others as they shouldn't try it with a glider that is too small for them sort of thing
@@AndreBandarra1 To go soaring, have you found a workable formula to use btwn wind speed and flight weight per square better? Using this number to know what size wing for any given wind speed?
I'm thinking that whole slab of rock will slide off. Good instructual video Andre. Don't ever loose your drive for what you love to do, just sharing alone is shows whom you really are. P.S. I hope Jeff wasn't rock climbing over there...Take Care God Bless..
My version of a hover is both feet on the ground just trying to keep the wing still over my head in horrible turbulent and rotor wind conditions...gulp. I long for the day to feel just a tiny bit of a flight, all the best sir.
You missed two directions, side to side. We live in a 3D world, remember? ;-) I would think this would be a very good exercise for learning CORRECT inputs, not over-controlling, etc. It looked like, in some places, you basically were oscillating the chute side to side. Is is difficult to brake-stop it overhead, without impacting some other direction, maybe down, or what?
Hi Andre, Very interesting videos! Question: with all the experience and skills you already have...do you still get dragged by the wing from time to time while ground handling? Why?...or while flying, do you still get dangerous/threatening “surprises”?
Yes. It looks like I have a lot of experience but I don't really, I only have 4 years and around 160 hours of flying time. Probably a lot more than that in groundhandling but not a lot by any means. Mishaps still happen but maybe not as much as when I was starting out. I think the main difference, other than skill, is that these days I have a slightly better idea of when the conditions are beyond my skill level and when they are ok. I still get it wrong though and it's all about thinking what level of risk are you willing to accept for yourself. Hope it helps
We have a dune site near Monterrey, CA at Sand City. When the wind is onshore at about 10mph, you can hover for hours. My first flight there (well second, after sinking out once) I had a 51 minute flight that was basically hovering, while whale watching. Besides cautioning about getting too deep into the brakes and potentially causing a stall, know the signs and be prepared to prevent blowback, if the wind strengthens. You can see highlights of that flight here. ua-cam.com/video/JEbSUFfLDfU/v-deo.html
thanks! Yes I've done it before but only a handfull of times so I'm nowhere near mastery. In fact I think it's a maneuver so advanced very few people actually really really master it, like the best acro guys. I think the ocasional xc pilot that performs it (like me) might know just enough to do it but not enough to really know how far away you are from it going wrong plus really evaluating the conditions well, not just your skills and the wing. But, having said that, it's defo on the list :)
@@AndreBandarra1 I was thinking about on your beach there. Just a 4 meter hover over the soft sand and flap land from there? You know waaaaaay more than I do about it. Thanks again
@@garethcbayley Yikes. Sorry to hear that. As a complete novice, it doesn't seem to be a difficult maneuver. I sorta flap while ground handling at times. I'm sure just have no idea how hard it is, but i do practice bouncing around the stall point, but only while ground handling. DON"T DEW IT!. Precious Andre.
Aethon Cheers, Andre. No issues at all with what you do. Clearly super safe and above soft sand. Was just taking the chance to warn people about flapping. I used to do it a lot in what with hindsight we’re dangerous situations. Never again!
It may be a good idea to find your stall point as a prerequisite. Fly bubble has a good explanation of how to do this
-> low to the ground (1-5ft) and without risk of falling out of the sky.
Also, remember that if you are hovering with a fair amount of brake, a headwind gust can pitch the glider back far enough to stall, even though your amount of brake isn’t quite to the stall point yet.
I only say this because happened to me once. luckily I was only 10-15ft high, but I hit the ground hard! I though I was safe because I knew I was far from my stall point. But head wind gusts can change that safety margin a bit.
Good points, especially for someone doing this for the first time. You probably develop a feel after a while. Maybe staying very low altitude, initially, so a fall wouldn't be devastating, pretty much exactly as you suggested for finding the stall point.
It's not just headwind gusts that will do this, you can have the same effect on altitude anyway, from rapidly descending air (counter thermal, or outside a thunderstorm). It is interesting that rapidly INCREASED speed of flight can cause a stall, backwards to a fixed wing aircraft. I suspect this is nearly impossible to have happen in reality without brakes employed though, even though these wings are exceedingly draggy compared to a fixed rigid wing, especially WITH all the "wiring". I suspect it would have to be a REALLY dramatic gust.
total control of the wing congratulations your demonstration is without a doubt excellent, strong like my friend.
Vc é o melhor !
RJ - Brasil
I am so excited to try this- thanks for making this video
Nothing like hovering, and it teaches so much about fine control inputs 👍
Used to do this with RC sailplanes...one thing I learned very quickly, NEVER turn very far back into the hill, unless you are quite a ways out in front of it or above it. I know, seems simple stupid, but I extruded portions of my sailplane through a chain link fence once...not minor damage...good learning moment...and the several hours that followed remanufacturing half a wing from scratch.
Ter controle do equipamento ajuda numa enorme gama de situações... obrigado por compartilhar.
Thanks! first vid I've seen dealing with this subject in a meaningful way.
Can't wait for the snow to melt to go out to play at the park with the large dirt mound! I live vicariously through you for now.
Andre,
It's so great your channel. I'm starting to a paraglider here in Brazil. I saw your project to do your paraglider game. I Think it would be really great for whom is starting flying. I've searched and i didnt find any game about glider handling on the ground. I develop computer apps as well.
Incredible video !
*_Great video!_* I love doing this is my RC plane in a nice strong constant wind.
I have seen most of your videos , very helpful and well made! Could you add the specifics of the wind speed each time you fly?? Would help a lot! When you say windy in this particular day how much was blowing??? Again awesome videos ! Thanks!!
lugoland in this particular day maybe around 30km/h. But just a figure is not that useful I don't think because "strong" depends a lot on the wing, your weight and the shape of the hill. For instance this is an Epic S and I'm 90kg so I was flying it very heavy and needed extra strong wind to be able to hover, but that is not relevant for others as they shouldn't try it with a glider that is too small for them sort of thing
@@AndreBandarra1 To go soaring, have you found a workable formula to use btwn wind speed and flight weight per square better? Using this number to know what size wing for any given wind speed?
@@AndreBandarra1 There's no way this was 30 km/h.
@@turkeyphant What do you reckon? higher or lower?
@@AndreBandarra1 Definitely lower. 25 km/h max, probably less.
So much fun!..............enjoyed that one!!
I'm thinking that whole slab of rock will slide off. Good instructual video Andre. Don't ever loose your drive for what you love to do, just sharing alone is shows whom you really are. P.S. I hope Jeff wasn't rock climbing over there...Take Care God Bless..
Man ! Awesome video ! I really enjoy the tripod shots.
Perfect video,as always👍👍✌
My version of a hover is both feet on the ground just trying to keep the wing still over my head in horrible turbulent and rotor wind conditions...gulp. I long for the day to feel just a tiny bit of a flight, all the best sir.
You missed two directions, side to side. We live in a 3D world, remember? ;-)
I would think this would be a very good exercise for learning CORRECT inputs, not over-controlling, etc. It looked like, in some places, you basically were oscillating the chute side to side. Is is difficult to brake-stop it overhead, without impacting some other direction, maybe down, or what?
It looks like so much fun. I want to do it too.
Hi Andre,
Very interesting videos!
Question: with all the experience and skills you already have...do you still get dragged by the wing from time to time while ground handling? Why?...or while flying, do you still get dangerous/threatening “surprises”?
Yes. It looks like I have a lot of experience but I don't really, I only have 4 years and around 160 hours of flying time. Probably a lot more than that in groundhandling but not a lot by any means. Mishaps still happen but maybe not as much as when I was starting out. I think the main difference, other than skill, is that these days I have a slightly better idea of when the conditions are beyond my skill level and when they are ok. I still get it wrong though and it's all about thinking what level of risk are you willing to accept for yourself. Hope it helps
where in the world do you live that you get that much beach to yourself for that long?
GOOD
1:05, do they really think this small line will stop the rock from escaping? :p :D
We have a dune site near Monterrey, CA at Sand City. When the wind is onshore at about 10mph, you can hover for hours. My first flight there (well second, after sinking out once) I had a 51 minute flight that was basically hovering, while whale watching. Besides cautioning about getting too deep into the brakes and potentially causing a stall, know the signs and be prepared to prevent blowback, if the wind strengthens. You can see highlights of that flight here. ua-cam.com/video/JEbSUFfLDfU/v-deo.html
Hey Andre. Fun stuff. Great video.
If you have mastered the vertical descent flap landing, I would like to see a video about that. Thanks for sharing.
thanks! Yes I've done it before but only a handfull of times so I'm nowhere near mastery. In fact I think it's a maneuver so advanced very few people actually really really master it, like the best acro guys. I think the ocasional xc pilot that performs it (like me) might know just enough to do it but not enough to really know how far away you are from it going wrong plus really evaluating the conditions well, not just your skills and the wing. But, having said that, it's defo on the list :)
@@AndreBandarra1 I was thinking about on your beach there. Just a 4 meter hover over the soft sand and flap land from there? You know waaaaaay more than I do about it. Thanks again
I flap landed in Tenerife and broke my back - 2 vertebrae! So flap at your own risk...
@@garethcbayley Yikes. Sorry to hear that.
As a complete novice, it doesn't seem to be a difficult maneuver. I sorta flap while ground handling at times. I'm sure just have no idea how hard it is, but i do practice bouncing around the stall point, but only while ground handling. DON"T DEW IT!. Precious Andre.
Aethon Cheers, Andre. No issues at all with what you do. Clearly super safe and above soft sand. Was just taking the chance to warn people about flapping. I used to do it a lot in what with hindsight we’re dangerous situations. Never again!
Avec un peu de 🌷 Vent 🌷
What sort of wind speed was this day?
WuTangChillaBee around 25-30km/h
super cool videos! i am a beginner u can benefit a lot from you. go on ;)
Was this in Obidos?
yap :)
Where is this?
Lagoa de Obidos, Portugal
Please finaly oil that pulley
xD
Helicopters hover.
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Nice video but your helmet is not going to help you when it is so loose .
कास आप हिन्दी मे भी वीडियो बनते तो हम जेसो का भला हो जाता 🌷⚘