An Archeological Dig in Michigan Turns Up Some Surprising Artifacts
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2022
- Archeologists have found a small mountain of artifacts buried in a farm field that show the presence of some of the first peoples to inhabit the Americas.
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My dad found a Clovis point outside of Gladwin, Michigan back in the 1930s. My understanding is that it was reported and the site registered in the 60s.
The seacoast in the ice age was not where it is today. Who knows how many human sites on the coast from tens of thousands of years ago are underwater?
Like Dogger land between England and the Netherlands. People lived there once, and all the artifacts are still there. There has to be an area on both coasts here that was once above water. A dredging ship brought up Mastodon bones and a spearpoint off the bottom of the ocean almost 100 miles off the east coast. That will give an indication of how far the ocean has risen to cover all that territory. No doubt the West Coast is no different. The coastal edge can be navigated by boat and the people can easily survive off of fishing, hunting sea mammals and birds, foraging plants and shellfish as well. Driftwood collects on any shore so they had fire, and fresh water could be had at any river or stream mouth where it met the ocean.
@@williamadams8353 plus Dutch trawlers have brought up tons of stuff. And I seem to recall there is at least one Mesolithic site in the English channel. Same period as the spear head dredged up off Dogger bank.
@@williamadams8353 have you seen the amazing sonar from when oil companies were researching where there might be oil. The river valleys etc are so clear.
Right! Ocean levels were 200 feet lower! Which means camp sites are underwater! Along with any villages!
@@helenamcginty4920 I have not. I think drone submersibles will allow these areas to be explored and when a site is discovered manned submersibles can go in and record and retrieve artifacts to document the site. Maybe even possible cave sites still undiscovered down there. So fascinating to imagine how much information could be down there just waiting for someone to come along and discover it.
It sounds strange to hear Clovis traveled "up" to Michigan. If the artifacts are older in Michigan than in the South, wouldn't "Clovis" be traveling "down?"
yes and it wasn't going either way. People had covered the entire continent way before then.
I found a small carving of a mammoth in a creek in Muskegon County Michigan. It's about 3 inches long and 2 inches tall, it has 2 holes drilled through it as if it was hung from a necklace
OMG would love to see a picture of that!
@@bforman1300 Seconded
And you didn’t report it to say GVSU?
@@stevenburkhardt1963 Many amazing and important finds go unreported because people don't realize just how incredible the find is or because they are afraid it will be taken from them. (In most cases, the answer is no. But if you think you have found something of cultural significance, it would be wise to consult a lawyer in your state who has experience with such things.)
Wow that is amazing. A rare find that is older since they died off it had to be created a long time ago. Water course finds are different from dug sites. And private and public land are fair game. Protected sites are a no go.
Clovis last…. There were people way before Clovis.
Exactly, the Kelp Highway theory wants to know your location
There is a coastal cave in Alaska or Washington that they have found tools and butchered bones going back 50,000 years. I am sure it goes back much further, people just need to keep looking and digging deeper.
But why hide it all?
@@KatiTheButcher Knowledge is power and people horde that knowledge in order to deny others the same opportunity. Columbus had copied that map in a library in Spain where access to some records were strictly limited to those sponsored people.
@@williamadams8353 You're a gullible twitchy fool.
Looking for and understanding the significance of clues no bigger than a tick takes some serious dedication, you folks are amazing.
Thank you, Finding this a year later, but so excited that it pertains to Michigan. I'm sharing it to my channel so many more people will eventually see it - people interested in Michigan history and geography.
Keep digging. Used to be we would stop at a certain point. Now we know that there are levels that have no signature for a period of time. Yet under those we again start to find lithics, fire rock Ash Etc. I would like to dig down to what would be about 100,000 years and then I believe we'd be talking a different tale
I like the idea, but it's amusing that you're blithely suggesting that these archaeolo's devote there entire life work to this site. 😂😂😂
I suggest Stop✋. Don't dig any deeper you might find something and upset the Academic timeline. 🥴😂
I went to a lecture from central Washington state college, the geologist said that at some point in Washington state history, probably between 10,000 and 12,000 years ago there was an event that happened in the Pacific Northwest from Montana across Washington and Oregon that wiped out everything on the land with mud. I suspect that any Clovis people living at that time in those areas were wiped out.
@@skepticalmom2948 Ah yes, Randall Carlson has (pardon the pun) dug into this extensively. The Scablands.
@@EvolutionWendy It doesn’t have to be in this spot, but they need to dig deeper somewhere if they want to find out when the first Americans were here. It looks like they don’t want to know true history.
Also, overlapping trade networks can take goods very far from point of origin. The Tibetan bronze Buddha in a Viking tomb for example.
One of the pieces of obsidian was traced back to Yellowstone. About 1800 miles traveled to trade big pieces of rock. Across the Colorado State line there is a place in Kansas called the flint Hills where many different tribes came to gather workable stone. It was a sort of neutral area where people came and gathered stone to make tools with and tribal factions were ignored briefly. I hope to visit and see what type of stone was available and hopefully some nice examples of what was made as well. Fascinating stuff.
Around 1944 in Highland Park, MI, in our backyard, we found a horde of flint arrow heads. We filled a cigar box of points in just a two square foot area. I'm sure there must be more in that backyard.
If you can put your eyes on them, Clovis tech is pretty uniquely identifiable.
Must have been an arrow range 😂
Please let me dig there! I’ll split them with you 50/50
That's cultural theft and all that belongs to Potawatomi and Ottawa people. That's OUR cultural property under international law in the Declaration on Rights of Indigenous Peoples by the UN, which the USA signed.
So tell a local archeologists about and the native tribe please. The might be more there and maybe something new.
Its awesome that we regard these as precious works of art, considering thats all that has miraculously survived of these ancient people. It makes you wonder what is truly valuable in this world. I would love to hold one, study it and get in their mind.
The canadians have found Clovis points I canada in the melting glacial ice sheets. So Clovis was obviously all over the united states, archaeologists just havent found them yet. My dad found one in oregon when he was working on a pipeline for circle irrigation from the Columbia river, the ditch was 12 feet deep and it was sticking out of the side of the ditch at about eight feet deep. It's made of obsidian.
Yes, in the inland ice free corridor ( present day Alberta) that opened up approx. 12.000-14,000 yrs ago. Also in Nova Scotia on the East Coast, at the Debert site with an approximate age of 11,000 yrs. The most recent site is in British Columbia, in the coastal Ice-Free Corridor, at Pink Mountain ( Treaty 8 Territory) a 13,000 yr old site, this is the furthest North a clovis point has been found. There was also black obsidian at this site from Anahim Peak, 500 km away on the Chilcotin Plateau.
Tennessee is covered with them.
Canadians can't find their asses with both hands.
That's right, CLovis in the north is nothing new.
@@sasachiminesh1204Yes but only in the ice free corridor areas have any artifacts been discovered- the ice ground everything else to dust.
The guy is standing in the middle of a cornfield saying the soil has been undisturbed for 13,000 years? Yeah, he deserves a grant.
What's your point? How deep do you think farming tills the soil? You may want to open your mind just a little bit.
They made it pretty clear that they were digging UNDERNEATH the plow layer. Did you miss that?
He said anything in the layer they were sifting through. "Anything in here," anything in the sieve. Genius.
Under the plow zone . Stop mak8ng stuff up.. maybe u could use a grant
I have found a place that I know is as old as 20,000 years old if not 75,000 in Michigan.
so ancient people lived a hunter/gatherer lifestyle. seems like we might have already realized that for some time now.
This is really interesting, thank you.
Holy shyt, people sniping at each other over "early mankind". It's amazing we've lasted this long.
We breed too much.
still trying to cull the herd.
Good to see these archeologists living that Spartan lifestyle out in the field
The Glacier moved a lot of people.
We've found Clovis points in Benton county Indiana. About 3 hours south of this place.
Found one in Gainesville Florida. The material was different than any I'd seen before. Some type of fossil material with tiny fossils.
Later people used to pick up clovis points to reshape them into arrowheads.
Thanks
pretty common spear points here in ohio. brother had quite collection.he just died 3 weeks ago but i think he sold it to a cousin i heard for 4,000 some time back. maize pounding stones, axe heads
Except we now know that there were people in America 24K years ago, from the foot prints. These tools are 10 thousand years younger than the foot prints.
People have been in America much longer than that.
@@DeepSouthArtifacts trillions of them too
@@DeepSouthArtifacts You were on earth back then, were ya? Lol.
It's strange how many things the scientists are certain of that later are proven false.
@@apostasiaelegcho5612 yep.
What disappoints me is the denial of some, who insist they are right on their assumptions, about evidence that contradicts theirs. Case in point, who inhabited New Zealand before the Maurie?
I'll never understand how academics speak with confidence about prehistory based on some meager findings, as if we can extrapolate to a complete picture from a few bones and spear points, or lack thereof. Absence of evidence is not, after all, evidence of absence
Clovis is also found in all east coast locations from Canada to Florida.
13,000 years?......That's new stuff. If they find things 25 to 35,000 years old, it will be big news.
Don't stop digging!!!
Arrow head hunters have been feasting on St Joe area for decades. Who knows how much important evidence is sitting in a shoebox in Kalamazoo.
Oh wait! Clovis tech traveled north? I guess I thought it came with the first peoples that crossed the Bearing Land Bridge. I guess I haven't heard a timeline and corresponding migration.
Have to wonder if those were made from local stone.
Cool.
congratulations! that is some cool s**t.
Of course "some people" claim that the Clovis technology STARTED on the East Coast and moved west (and, now, obviously north!). That technology is very similar to that being used in south western Europe (southern France and Spain) and was brought to North America by ancient travelers who hunted seals along the Ice barriers across the North Atlantic, during the ice age.
Interesting that North America Clovis tech is a better match to European tech of same age and has less in common with Asian and Polynesian or African tools. Waiting for a paper that says why that is.
A couple guys from the Smithsonian wondered about that too. Their theory stirred up a real hornets nest in reaction. The genetics don't bear it out, or not yet anyway. Certain markers would be found in DNA today, but so far they have not found the link. Solutreans coming to the Western hemisphere is what they theorized. Lots of video on UA-cam about it. Pissed a lot of people off, but it never fails archeology is pretty hidebound and dogmatic. New ideas get attacked.
It's interesting that we call them the Clovis culture. Of course we had to name them something. I can't help but wonder what they called themselves.
It could have just as easily have been trade, especially since michigan is so close to the area of the old copper culture. But whos to say they didnt go all theway there theselves too, either way its rich with exciting prospects
Edit: I say so close as if its not literally the great lakes region itself lol
Do you know the story behind it? I saw a show on the history channel about those ancient mines, but where did all that copper ore get smelted and the copper shipped/traded to? That was a huge amount of copper ore and the results should be found everywhere in the US, but it isnt? Any leading theories that can explain this weird fact? Thanks.
@@williamadams8353 Ancient Americas has a great video explaining a lot of stuff about the Old Copper Culture. The copper from the great lakes region is *exceptionally* pure to the point it could even be cold worked if someone was determined enough. You can even still find seams of it today IIRC. And on top of this the sources of stone for tools in the same area are not as high quality as they elsewhere.
Smelting processes never really occured because of this purity and because its usually to smelt ore to get the metal out because of the percantages of whatever metal in ore. I think most working they did on the stone was rapidly heating and cooling it, but that was to break away the rock to release already workable material.
For a time we can see evidence of this being put to work as tools and weapons, but eventually they start to primarily use it as jewelery. They likely used this as a batering resource to trade for the stone tools that they needed. Contrary to what one might thing, stone tools are in some ways better than metal ones. Especially a metal as relatively soft as unalloyed just straight up copper. They hold an edge longer and can easily be resharpened by just a bit of refacing.
They traded this copper up and down the Mississippi and beyond, but its also just as likely it was traded again and again passing through dozens of hands.
I hope this clears things up! And do consider watching that Ancient Americas video, Ill link it in a second reply cause Im on mobile and Id lose all I typed here otherwise
Edit: I accidently some words and fixed some spelling
@@williamadams8353
ua-cam.com/video/cpmMY_Rcbd8/v-deo.html
@@hannahbrown2728 Thank you so much. I am from the plains of colorado and there are no metal artifacts. Trade goods and other artifacts fashioned from imported items like metal bands around barrels. Fascinating stuff.
@@williamadams8353 Upon further reading cause you got me curious on it again I may have overstated how far it went, so it makes sense nothing has turned up in the plains area(yet! Fingers crossed ya know) It was a large range surely, but it only included parts of 6 present day states 2 canadian provinces. Thats not quite as far as the whole of the mississippi 😓 But in the video Im pretty sure? he mentions that examination of some copper artifacts found in florida matched the copper from the great lakes instead of nearer sources(which there apparently in the Appalachian Mountains). So if items got as far as that, maybe some day something pre columbian matching the great lakes copper will turn up
where about in michigan, just 8 mils south in fulton county ohio
13K years ago is not the first inhabitants of America not even close. Dig deeper literally.
25 years = 8760 days and if he mad 3000 that means he made one peace of art every 2.95 days.
Dig down further, you'll find even older.... lol
I need money and all facilities to travel around the world to check anything in archeology
I have what I think is a spear head that was found Near South Haven MI probably 10+ years ago…who can I contact if this is real or not…I could email pictures
You've removed it from its context. By leaving it where you found it and notifying your local archaeo- anthro department of the location would have better benefitted the chance of a possible site. Archaeology is the meticulous documentation (and scientific) destruction of the stratigraphy of historical remains. By moving an artifact, the site has been disturbed.
@@TruckingToPlease damnit richard you've really mucked up this one! apologize to civilization, youve set us back 10000 years.
Many artifacts are found in water courses, and can't be found in situ like artifacts that are dug up. Most of the artifacts found in my area are found in gravel and sand beds in the south Platte. Artifacts that are washed up on a curve of the river or in the shallows if you watch close enough.
Pm me and we can swap emails. I can tell you the time period, type, and if it’s authentic or not.
Can you identify the source material? Is it local to your area, or is it found much further away? Can you find an overstreet guide for artifacts at the library and match the method of manufacture? Style and material used gets you started, and your location also gives a vital clue. Have other pieces like yours been found in that location? If so when and by who. I live in NE Colorado where 2 caches of pre-clovis items have been found. One was found in a wheat field in the 1940s and the other in a backyard in Boulder Colorado. The Boulder cache can be viewed online, and the items are amazing. Exotic materials from far away and some were much larger in size than average items. Maybe for display or ritual use, but do go check it out. Dug up by landscapers working in a guys backyard. Crazy cool.
Sticking with this Clovis First thing, huh?
Fascinating how flint knapping technology appears in Europe and America, with local variations in style & technique. Has anyone found flint tools in areas that might have been migration channels across the Russian-American land / sea routes?
Good...point!
Flint knapping is on every continent that humans are. All humans used kinds of "flint." Humans were knapping flint over 1.5 million years ago.
@@sasachiminesh1204 Yes, you're absolutely right, I guess. I assume, Linda J54 alluded to the 'Solutrean'-hypothesis (based on supposed similarities in flint knapping technologies) and the fact that migration via the Beringia Landbridge, though commonly accepted as the most likely and exclusive way indigenous people first settled in the Americas could only have happened when sea levels were low during the Last Glacial Maximum. Also, people would have had to pass through an (assumed) ice-free corridor. Finding evidence for flint knapping in the respective area of that corridor would at least support a theory that has come under some scrutiny, recently (to say the least). Let's not forget that Clovis itself once was a 'revolutionary' theory that required archaeologists and anthroplogists to make up their minds and stretch the hitherto rigidly believed in timeframe...But also let us be sceptical of pseudo-scientific authors and UA-camrs who make a living on (arguably quite entertaining 😉) lies. Yes, flint knapping is human. I'd really like to learn how to do it, some day...
what a story
Great place to find of what happened to the first people is looking throughout the tips of the tallest mountain ranges, you'll find much more then billions of aquatic remnants. Whole earth covered over with h20, just imagine where the majority of life would of floated up to and filtered out as the h20 drained.
Marine fossils are usually found on mountains top but they are very old, millions years old. They are located on mountains top because of the tectonic plates movement, by which the sea soil is very low ascending, lifting up lots of shells. This situation is not related to the flood, my friend. Catholic or Christian people have tendency to bringing up that explanation, flood covered mountain tops, but in this specific issue they are all wrong. Regards.
The 70s are calling, they want their theories of early mankind’s spread back
Clovis is so outdated. Don't know why they're still referenced.
My neighbor has on his property a spot where these tools were made. Or maybe the stones were harvested
Those sure are clean hands for somebody digging around in the dirt... how do you do it???
If humans migrated from Asia to Scandinavia on a ocassional basis it is good to get confirmation of migrations from the south to the north in America. When resources move wise humans do too. My hope is that we learn to conserve resources better as we migrate.
i live at the northern most point of the ice corridor that facilitated the migration of these clovis people. in hersey mi. just north of my home is an area of recession moraines. i believe there must have been early settlements at this northern spot. ive found many many stone tools and remains of tools. but very few of them are made of chert or flint. we dont have any in this part of michigan. its primarily glacial till. and so i see tools of low quality. ground tools. i find spear points made from stone that is ineffective for any hunting application. its almost as if these tool makers were experimenting or practicing their skills. in some areas its almost as if a tool making school was thedre.. i find flakes, half made points, tools abandoned mid process, and tools of poor quality. im only a science and history enthusiast. i am limited to what is lying in creek beds, gravel pits, rock piles etc. a thorough exploration of this are by qualified scientists would be very very interesting and revealing. i hope it happens one day.
Clovis points in the East is nothing new. Clovis points have been found in Maryland, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts.
You don't really now if these artifacts are from "First Peoples." They are likely from the "Second to the last."
I hope you have more evidence for late Clovis at that site than a single unconvincing reconstruction of a flaked point of some kind and a bunch of flake fragments.
I hope you grow out of your screen name ASAP. :)
Tubal-Cain grade Isle Royale copper sent me. 🔺
So what evidence do we have that these were Indians and why assume that there were no people before these?
I was so thrilled when I found my first arrow head this is astounding !
theft of cultural heritage under internaitonal law.
Where did the heat energy come from to melt the enormous amount of ice to stop the Ice Age? We're the Clovis Peoples washed away in gi-normous floods?
Check out Antonio Zamora.. Carolina bays originating from Michigan
Stone circle gardens and microwave ovens?
Clovis first has long been disprove.
What about Sea Bears and Sea Rhinos❓ 🤷🏼♂
Who did the Clovis people blame for climate change?
First people ,last people I’d rather be last, others claiming first lie ,who knows who was first if you know please tell us
Rockwall in Texas was dated to 100,000 years
Rockwall is a natural formation ,not man made
@@georgesheffield1580 Nice sarcasm.
Love home U of M baby!! I now reside in Indiana I have found granite tomahawk banner stones and various arrows points my advise follow water creeks marshes without water you have no life period
What is your evidence that Clovis people were "following herds"?.. Science requires evidence not assumptions.
I thought the same, there's plenty easier to kill game than buffalo's. It would all depend on the environment at the time and what plants and animals were around
Buffalo jumps would suggest it.
@@clarkblount7788 Ever watch Dances With Wolves?.. They were waiting for the herd to show up. Like they did every year. It was based on tradition. Waiting not following.
No buildings. They hunted a lot.
@@leechurchill1965 Oh yeah... I forgot about the skyscrapers the Native Americans were living in when the Europeans got here... Yes teepees are mobile structures. Seasonal migration still does not equal following herds.
It would be better without the totally unnecessary music.
Why not just refer to them as the Clovidians. Most "Native Americans" object to the terms "Indians," "Natives," and "Americans" since so many were deprived of citizenship (the right to be here) until much later. We "white man" never gave them the opportunity to name themselves. How would you like it if archologists found old stone tools made by the first "Pale Face People?"
"Citizenship" is based on being a PART of a nation; belonging TO a country! Not merely being "on the same ground." "Native" "Americans" SHOULD object to the term -- THEY are Siberians who came here; you know: IMMIGRANTS!? They were not "deprived" of citizenship -- they never HAD it, till the people who created this COUNTRY offered them citizenship IN their new country! (Too bad they lost the war for their lands -- that's the HUMAN CONDITION! Throughout ALL of human history and pre-history!) Have you never taken ANY civics class? Oh, obviously NOT, or you would KNOW we CANNOT ask the Clovis people what they called themselves because there not a single one extent TO ask!
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Why do all these youtubers add those sound tracks to these documentaries?
It's distracting and annoying. Let the people talk without my ears having to sift through the other noise please!
"this is undisturbed for thousands of years" he says while disturbing the soil. Its like physics... the sate is lost when you measure it.
No dummy, you're confused as usual.
I wish I lived then and not now. Not a fan of modern man. Too much hate, sadness, meanness, and flat out stupidity in today's man.
Read some history .
What makes you think there weren’t bad stupid people thousands of years ago? There have been wars since the fall of man.
🧐
Clovis first my ass
Why not Michigan is still a great place to hunt and fish and raise a family…Oh and U of M football
Don't let the Smithsonian know about it.
Are y’all welcome to other theories of early life in America?? Like open to graham Hancocks theory?? Or is archaeology closed to this?
Archeology is closed to that sort of fiction I believe.
Archaeology is closed to anything that does not sell it's old books at inflated prices for college students.
@@erniemajor I'm sure you've read quite a few of them... heh...
He keeps pointing out unexplainable facts that won't go away, and that is when mainstream archeology ignores them, until the evidence mounts to the point it can't be ignored any more. Pre-clovis was once heresy and could end your career. Thankfully there are people in the field who are willing to keep digging and to keep poking holes in the dogma, and to file suit when evidence is found and is in danger of being buried again without being studied. Imagine Otzi being buried before scientists got a chance to examine and study his remains and the artifacts found with him. There has to be an American version of Otzi since there have been countless animals found frozen in the tundra. The truth is out there, but you have to keep looking for it. Even if it is a truth that defies accepted archeological history as we know it.
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Could easily do without the obstrusive, overbearing, LOUD, distracting background filler sound. Get a grip; get an adult sound tech with normal hearing. Please.
Has anyone thought to ask Indigenous Peoples how long they have been here? They should know.
No such thing as indigenous people. That myth was busted many years ago.
It appears that their hard drives have been misplaced.
Too bad we did our best to exterminate the natives when we colonized the continent.
@@jrrarglblarg9241 Don't know what this "we" business is. I wasn't around then. There is no "we".
@@apostasiaelegcho5612 Neither were the currently living Amerindians.
Laughable at best 👌
do wet sifting
That's cultural theft and all that belongs to Potawatomi and Ottawa people. That's OUR cultural property under international law in the Declaration on Rights of Indigenous Peoples by the UN, which the USA signed.
Boy you're sounding awful greedy... The last skeleton we gave back from sleeping Bear sand dunes in Glen arbor Michigan predated your people by thousands of years.....????? Finders keepers losers weepers
WAIT WAIT WAIT , so you mean to tell me that you guys didn’t even know these points were found in Michigan, but somehow you know the exact dates they were made???
YALL ARE FULL OF SHET !
WHY NOT JUST EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE OBSERVING, WHAT IS THE POINT IN GUESSING THE YEAR WHEN YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHO WERE MAKING THESE TOOLS TO BEGIN WITH!?!?!!?!?
SOUNDS PRETTY IGNORANT TO ME
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Is this the omnipotent that rides The Taurus Constellation symbol of the Sky Bull (Cherub, not chubby babies with wings.) with his Superbolide Thunderweapon?
@@bardmadsen6956 No. Why would you think that?
@@bardmadsen6956 I could buy into some sort of Astrotheological interpretation, but not the literal nonsense mentioned.
@@seanhammer6296 Sorry, I am sure the progenitor comet of The Taurid Meteor Stream fell into the inner solar system by chance. I read The Comets of God by Jeffrey Goodman, wow that book is worth over $30! I gave it to a book store that was supposedly selling my books never did see it on the shelf and they never produced one, lost, anyhow, he believes that god sent the progenitor... It read very well, except flawed in concept. The problem is Gobekli Tepe and its sister sites, there are two symbols (so far) of its radiant which is antecedent both in form and story in written records, so any deity we may think we know now is more evolved than -13ka. Here is a quote from my book : "Instead of being offended, rest assured that the ancient religions that may still exist ; though in altered states or expanded forms ; they are inexorably related to each other and Irrefutably all whistling the same tune. They are all chanting the same refrain of the Celestial Events of the Past, it Echoes Globally to this day and to my tangible knowledge appears to be mostly Ignored."
@@bardmadsen6956 As far as I know there is no God. Astrotheology makes the most sense but unfortunately, 3/4 of the world takes a literal interpretation of the ancient texts, which is literally profane.
Were the animals constantly traveling?
Part of the work you have to do is hire some women and people of color.
yep. About right. Adam and Eve started here in roughly that area. ;) Tons of archaeological evidence and dna proves that the Garden of Eden was actually here in the Americas'. Then the flood happened and Noah left from here and then some people eventually migrated back. First settlers arrived in about 2200bc that arrived around Nova Scotia, ish. And another group landed in Georgia area in 600bc. :) Some of the native Americans today are related but most are gone. The Mound Peoples of Ohio are the last remnants of their society.
Nice sarcasm.
13,000 years? But the bible says that the earth is only 6000 years old? The Ark Encounter in Kentucky has dinosaurs on the ark, so something isn't adding up here? fart sound
But are your indigenous people, those indigenous people ..?
Because there's evidence in America that the Nordic people were in America b4 the Indians ... making them the real indigenous people .
It’s funny that archaeologists are being proven wrong almost yearly now days. I love it.
Unlike religious belief, scientific knowledge changes in response to new information.
@@jrrarglblarg9241 That's because science is a theory and not an undeniable fact. 🤔
@@apostasiaelegcho5612 You have a naive and uneducated understanding of science, the word “theory” and the scientific method.
Good luck.
@@jrrarglblarg9241 I've been a forensic scientist for over 30 years, lol. Bless your heart, son.
@@apostasiaelegcho5612 sure bud
Clovis rocks are in mississippi
If you're looking for a start point for first people, you're way off. Over 10,000 years off. If you're looking for evidence of habitation, you surely know first people had seasonal grounds for various harvests. Clovis wasn't nearly the first, there were at *least* two migrations prior proved by genetic evidence, if not archaeological.
Archaic points ( pre Clovis ) have been found on the east coast and in central Texas.
They found the site and are just looking for whatever is there. They aren't looking for a starting point for the first people. They don't know what's at the site till they dig it up and look at what's there. It's the earliest site in Michigan. No one said it's the earliest site anywhere or the absolute beginning of everything.
@@Preservestlandry It’s *not* the “earliest site” in Michigan. It’s among the earliest *discovered* so far. So, their assertions are wrong, the discoveries are not.
It is the earliest they have found in Michigan because they refuse to dig any deeper and look for older objects.
The loud background noise is negative - not positive ; just an annoying distraction.
National Archeology Anon.
That was a lie from archaeologists the majority of Clovis point found in the lower Midwest and East Coast not in the Pacific Northwest or anywhere in upper northern America Because the Clovis people did I come that way