Is not the perception any more when you use two speakers instead of one. Inside the software is as you said. Now, if you us a dbA meter and send x# dbA signal to one channel L or R, the db meter will messure xdbA. When you send the same signal to both channels L and R the meter will read 3 dbs more. Remember 2 times the same power will increase 3 dbA pressure level.
These are the best videos you put out, honestly. Low-level, fundamental settings and the interaction between them and our production schemes and strategies. Not that the basic mixing tips videos aren't helping in any way, because they instantly show more experienced engineers where the functions we need are in Logic, but configuring how the DAW works with low-level concepts is EXTREMELY helpful because it changes our whole output and workflow whether we know it or not. BRAVO! Thank you so much for your attention to detail and care in explaining it :)
I immediately thought that 2 speakers playing the same sound doubles the power. And as an increase of 3 db is a doubling in power it would seem that with this pan law the sound output actually stays the same this way in stead of lowering when panning.
Yup, that’s right. The center signal seems louder because it’s coming out of both speakers. When you hard-pan to one side, the sound is only coming out of one speaker so the volume needs to be increased so it sounds as loud as it did when it was coming out of both speakers.
@@The1dudemeister I think you're mistaken. a difference of 10db is 10x the power. That a normal base 10 log scale. In which a difference of 3db almost makes a 2 fold radio (1.995 to be precise). The amplitude ratio on doubles at 6 db. The amplitude ratio is equal to the square root of the power ratio. Am I missing something?
That's what I'm thinking. It's not a perceptual difference, it's a physical difference due to the fact that when you hard-pan, you literally cut the sound pressure level in half because now you only have one speaker playing instead of two.
Also, btw, I disagree with your statement that it doesn't change the way we mix. It does, because it alters the level signal goes in to compressors especially if they are stereo linked, and if you are skillful working on MS, linking and unlinking, it affects the perceived width of the mix as well eventually (depending how you handle it).
Great video! Also I think that if you want to pan a channel strip that's in stereo, it's better to do it via direction mixer so it works as panning and not volume. Is that correct? Thank you :-)
Hi Chris! Do you know why the stereo pan width turns from green into orange color? I’m not sure what I’ve done but the other day I was adjusting the width in stereo panning and from green color turned orange? Thanks! Always appreciate your contents! 😃
It’s probably because you by mistake clicked on it while holding down the cmd button. It flips the right and left channels, so that they’re basically inverted. (Left becomes right and vice versa) Leftclick on the stereo pan circle while holding down cmd and it will switch back.
@james Doctor ... not really, cos these days we have the amazing creativity to ‘talk something to death’ … Shakespeare called it “much ado about nothing”
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AppleFries That’s exactly what I was just thinking!
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Best Logic videos on youtube, period.
Is not the perception any more when you use two speakers instead of one. Inside the software is as you said. Now, if you us a dbA meter and send x# dbA signal to one channel L or R, the db meter will messure xdbA. When you send the same signal to both channels L and R the meter will read 3 dbs more. Remember 2 times the same power will increase 3 dbA pressure level.
These are the best videos you put out, honestly. Low-level, fundamental settings and the interaction between them and our production schemes and strategies. Not that the basic mixing tips videos aren't helping in any way, because they instantly show more experienced engineers where the functions we need are in Logic, but configuring how the DAW works with low-level concepts is EXTREMELY helpful because it changes our whole output and workflow whether we know it or not. BRAVO! Thank you so much for your attention to detail and care in explaining it :)
another logic function I had no idea about, thanks for your tutorials!
I immediately thought that 2 speakers playing the same sound doubles the power. And as an increase of 3 db is a doubling in power it would seem that with this pan law the sound output actually stays the same this way in stead of lowering when panning.
Sjokola that is correct.
Yup, that’s right. The center signal seems louder because it’s coming out of both speakers. When you hard-pan to one side, the sound is only coming out of one speaker so the volume needs to be increased so it sounds as loud as it did when it was coming out of both speakers.
Yeah, actually that's BULLSHIT, sorry. *_6dB_* plus or minus is _DOUBLE_ … divided by *_two_* (channels) is *_3dB_* … 🙄
@@The1dudemeister I think you're mistaken. a difference of 10db is 10x the power. That a normal base 10 log scale. In which a difference of 3db almost makes a 2 fold radio (1.995 to be precise). The amplitude ratio on doubles at 6 db. The amplitude ratio is equal to the square root of the power ratio. Am I missing something?
Always appreciate your videos. The best and informative channel for Logic Pro. So helpful. Thank you.
why Im still listening the loop when you do Hard L on my R side?
Is it really only a perceptual difference ? I mean two speakers playing the same signal will be 3 dB louder than only one speaker, right ?
That's what I'm thinking. It's not a perceptual difference, it's a physical difference due to the fact that when you hard-pan, you literally cut the sound pressure level in half because now you only have one speaker playing instead of two.
Thanks for explaining this. Although I suspected my thoughts on it were correct, I never took the time to explore or test it. Love your channel!
Also, btw, I disagree with your statement that it doesn't change the way we mix. It does, because it alters the level signal goes in to compressors especially if they are stereo linked, and if you are skillful working on MS, linking and unlinking, it affects the perceived width of the mix as well eventually (depending how you handle it).
so which is the best
I've been wondering which is "best" -- 0, -3, or -3db compensated... this cleared it up for me... -3db compensated for me! thank you!
upzzz... this was dope for sure...
Hard left and hard right... is this a metaphor for 2020? Why are they so loud on the far left??!!! Need better pan laws!!
My pan knobs are missing! How do I put them back on! Please help!
Great video! Also I think that if you want to pan a channel strip that's in stereo, it's better to do it via direction mixer so it works as panning and not volume. Is that correct? Thank you :-)
0db up the middle is different than 0db on a hard pan.
Best channel on recording and DAWs. Awesome!
never heard of pan laws...wow!! Thanks!
Wow! Fan of your videos.. Was waiting for this one!!
Cool demo. Thanks!
im so thankful for you. damn good man
Yet another superb "under the hood nuts and bolts" tutorial! Thank you 😀
Hi Chris! Do you know why the stereo pan width turns from green into orange color?
I’m not sure what I’ve done but the other day I was adjusting the width in stereo panning and from green color turned orange? Thanks! Always appreciate your contents! 😃
It’s probably because you by mistake clicked on it while holding down the cmd button. It flips the right and left channels, so that they’re basically inverted. (Left becomes right and vice versa) Leftclick on the stereo pan circle while holding down cmd and it will switch back.
@@Yes-wx8qf hey! Thanks 😊 appreciate it. It took me a a long scratching head-time . Appreciate your reply.
Subbed. Thank you!
So, in the old days before digital recording, how did engineers deal with this? Was it even an issue that was considered?
@james Doctor ... not really, cos these days we have the amazing creativity to ‘talk something to death’ … Shakespeare called it “much ado about nothing”
Excellent
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Why logic's pan reaches 64 on the left side and 63 on the right side?
just google it, it's a very boring answer tbh
my ocd hates it
I'm guessing there are 128 levels if you include zero 🧘🏼♀️