Rory McIlroy, Jordan Spieth and Viktor Hovland discuss ruling | THE PLAYERS
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2024
- After hitting his drive into the penalty area at the par-4 seventh hole at THE PLAYERS Championship, Rory McIlroy and playing partners, Jordan Spieth and Viktor Hovland, confer over the correct placement for the penalty drop. After reviewing the footage, it's determined that McIlroy took relief in the correct spot and went on to make double bogey.
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The PGA TOUR heads to Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida this week for the 50th anniversary of the THE PLAYERS Championship at TPC Sawgrass. Defending champion and World No. 1 Scottie Scheffler returns to TPC Sawgrass’ Stadium Course looking to become the first golfer to go back-to-back at THE PLAYERS after his impressive win last week at the Arnold Palmer Invitational presented by Mastercard. This was his seventh victory on TOUR since the 2022 WM Phoenix Open. He has also claimed four top-10s across his five starts so far this season. Rory McIlroy will also be in the field this week. He is without a top-20 this season but will take confidence from his victory here in 2019. Viktor Hovland returns to TPC Sawgrass following two straight top-10 finishes at THE PLAYERS, including a solo third last season. Others to look out for are 2021 PLAYERS winner Justin Thomas, 2023 U.S Open champion Wyndham Clark, Hideki Matsuyama and Xander Schauffele.
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If the ball bounced high enough to be seen by the tv coverage, it bounced on this side of the hazzard line. Rory is right.
Correct
Also he was way up that bunker on other side of water when it bounced I think he dropped yards short
@@BigBambooshthat bunkers a beach.
But depends on the where the camera is, if it was behind where the ball landed then it can make it look like he landed farther up than it was or if it was ahead would look like it went in farther back. You can see the stripes are much wider and looks like the camera was pretty straight across from where ball went in @8:16, but later when Rory is at his ball the stripes appear much thinner and you can see camera is now much further up the fairway shooting back at Rory making it seem like he dropped the ball too far back.
The red line is only a couple of feet above the waterline and on a fairly steep slope. There is no way the ball would have bounced that high if it bounced to the left.
Reading the comments is interesting because it is a perfect example of people seeing the same footage and hearing the same audio but having very different take on what took place. Nothing that either Hovland or Spieth said was contradicting Rory. I thought it was clear that they both wanted to correct ball placement so Rory wouldn't be penalized later. That's what's called good sportsmanship.
However after appearing to be truthful the drop was not!
they were saying they didnt see it bounce and in that case his drop would be way back at the turtle point of the hazard..but rory seen it bounce expained he seen it but they werent so sure and jordan specifically said to be safe dropping further back was a good idea..but rory was correct..and they were wrong regardless of there true motivation
@@ddeboy002 I'm no fan of Rory, but his drop was correct.
Lord have mercy . Why question it ?
He was correct
If we was incorrect he could get DQ'd. Didn't Jordan have that happen to him recently?
@@setbyyah5637 for signing a scorecard wrong. Not the same situation. The rules guy already said it was fine
Viktor Hivland did this to Daniel Berger on 16 2-3 years ago
@@setbyyah5637 wouldn’t it just be a penalty for an incorrect drop?
@@nichj487if he signs for an incorrect score at the end of the round than I believe it’s a DQ. So they’re being overly cautious before it gets to that point
We saw the ball bounce up on the TV coverage at 0:06 seconds into this clip. This proves Rory was correct. Jordan didn't see it and was trying it on by saying other people contradicted Rory's account, and Viktor was just being awkward ... I seem to remember he did a similar thing to Berger last year. Well done RM on a great round, and not letting those twirps get into your head.
That doesn't show anything my guy
ok - maybe a second or so after, but the ball does bounce up - my guy!@@thegolfdude
Rory blatantly cheated at the US Open last year by getting a free illegal drop from a bunker onto the green LOL, so can't blame 2 honest players like Hovland and Spieth for being suspicious of Rory McIlcheat trying to get an unfair advantage AGAIN
I aint feeding you troll!@@SiLoMixMaster
look again after 6 secs onwards... might have got it wrong by a second or 2 my guy!@@thegolfdude
I get that in a stroke play event, fellow competitors in a group have a duty to protect the field, but in high level pro tournaments there are referees and tv coverage to consider so I think other players getting involved, unless specifically asked, just makes the situation worse when it is a matter of opinion rather than fact.
But Jordan did the right thing by making sure Rory didn't drop it in a wrong spot, and then the replay later shows he dropped it in a wrong spot.
@@MoMoMyPup10 I am not having a go at anyone in particular here and am a big Spieth fan. But I have just watched and listened again and both Victor and Jordan did not know anything for certain and ended up agreeing with Rory (as did the referee) that it was the the right place to drop (or if you prefer not the wrong spot) and hence why he decided to proceed from there despite any subsequent evidence to the contrary. So if it was eventually proved to be the wrong spot then to paraphrase you, Jordan didn't make sure Rory didn't drop it in the wrong spot. Sometimes, in the absence of perfect information, near enough has to be good enough.
@@harrymelad942 wrong Harry. By Victor and Jordan 'interfering' it made sure the ref came in to moderate. He _then_ found out there was no replay to show exactly where it first crossed the water, and Rory could proceed knowing he was right. If not for that, Rory would've played his ball 5 minutes earlier and without knowing if replay could contradict his drop.
@@MoMoMyPup10 No I am not wrong in anything I have said and am not going to correspond more with you further or you will just drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.
@@harrymelad942don’t hide behind innuendo and hyperbole mate… if you’re going to ad hom, just ad hom. There’s no “subtle”
Neither Hovland nor Speith claimed to have seen where the ball bounced so it's then between Rory and the officials. I really don't know why they're getting so involved.
Probably because there are millions of dollars up for grabs. 🤷🏽♂️
Probably also because they have to sign his card. If it’s discovered he did it wrong then it becomes a problem for them too as they attested to his score for the round which would include any penalty strokes he should have taken.
@@mikej3952 Except they said they didn't see where the ball bounced, so they have no responsibility for the ruling. It's the responsibility of Rory and the rules officials.
@@mikej3952 This demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of how the PGA works, lol. It is absolutely no sweat for those guys if they ATTEST to a wrong scorecard lmfao. All of the problems land on Rory once the scorecard is turned in.
If we saw it bounce, it’s on the right side of the line. Jordan couldn’t be more presumptuous than to declare that it’s left.
8 minutes of our life that we'll never get back.
Imagine watching golf Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday for 5hrs each day..
@@juliochavez9929 I don't imagine it... I do it...
@@jgfunk do you want a medal?
@@jgfunksame! And I watch it live at tournaments all 4 days
I'm pretty sure your life is empty enough to accommodate. After all, you took time to comment. Get out more...
Love the convo, Rory has the best view of where it crosses UNLESS someone else can definitely say they know exactly where, which they don't by the conversation. This is all just gamesmanship by the other two and it's fun to see them playing head games with him.
I knew. I was there. But. No one wants my opinion lol
Then Rory should just proceed with the correct procedure. However, Rory did not see where the ball landed, he assumed it to be right of the line because of the angle of the bounce.
@Randsurfer he saw where it bounced, but man that was 300+ yards. 😂
@@migzbirdiez I said he didn't see where it "landed", that is, where ball first touched earth. Rory made assumptions based on seeing the "bounce" (ball several feet in the air). I'm not saying his assumptions aren't reasonable.
This is insane pick a point and take the drop.
3:57 Duck got so annoyed by this conversation he drowned himself.
😂
this is the definite comment in here
Jordan and Viktor come over to question the way Rory is dropping the ball, but neither of them offers any feedback about how they think it should be done. They obviously think Rory is doing something wrong or they'd stay out of it. But if they don't have any input or proof that he's doing it wrong, just leave him TF alone.
But if some footage appeared later showing it bounced left of the line Rory would have been DQ’d for signing an incorrect score.
They were just trying to make sure it was done properly for Rory’s own good
Remember speith getting involved in a similar spat in the ryder cup with Rahm back in '21 Rahms caddie told him where to go!
I can't remember if it was the players last year or where it was, but Hovland was involved in a very similar situation
It was 2022 on 16 with Daniel Berger. It’s still on UA-cam
As with this situation, though, Hovland was only 1 of 2 players raising concerns. In this case Jordon S., in that case Joel D.
Where.it went in was about level with the tree that was in the bunker other side of the hazard. I assume the cameraman didn't move locations. So If so the drop was the wrong place but I'm not sure if it was too far up or too far back.
I don't know why the media at major tournaments like this don't use drones overhead for extra coverage at this point. We already have shot tracers to track the flight of the ball off the tee and collect data about it, and walking cams to follow the players hitting the next shot (and clearly, here, to help in determining rulings when they happen), why not widen the scope of that involvement? Then you could definitively resolve situations like this without the hold-up and the slow play.
I own a drone business, not feasible at the minute due to flight time and the amount of pilots you’d need to cover all the course and every shot
@@firstname2072 Maybe not every hole, no, but have drones follow a select few groups, maybe those that include the top 5 on the leader board, during the course of a round. There are challenges but I think it would be possible to do at least *something* along those lines given the huge budget and resources broadcast groups enjoy.
@@vynxie also depending what country your in there are restrictions how close you can fly in a horizontally line to the public, would make it challenging but you’re right it will come eventually
Wild that Speith is even weighing in about what *other people* supposedly saw
The ball bounced, nothing more else to say, drop and move on 😂
Yeah, he actually penalized himself. He could have been further up. There’s now way the camera would have seen that bounce had it bounced below the line
Stop embarrassing yourself @@TheJohnnyblazsus
@@Kubush1 ad hominem
Sometimes the tour/tv overcomplicates the rules.
To find the reference point, you estimate as best you can the point where the ball crossed the hazard line.
As long as you do that honestly, if it turns out later on that you got it slightly wrong when they find another tv angle, it doesn’t matter.
Within reason of course, obviously if you top it into the water off the tee then try and say it went in 200 yards further up you can’t say you estimated it wrong
the fact that they Jordan and Viktor even questioned if the ball bounced in shows they were not paying attention to his ball because it clearly took a massive bounce and the hazard line is so close to the water that if the landed within the line there is no way it would bounce that high
I expect better from those playing at this level
yes you are correct
6:46 Jordan - 'I dont know where the ball landed'
then please be quiet Jordan
Jordan in his element here 😂
Captain Spieth to you please :)
@@iiredeyeiiredeye1569 Captain 🤡
"Michael, it feels like we're collapsing!"
The guys holding huge cameras on the other side of the fairway, saw the ball bounce beyond the red line of a slope that is 1) 40 yards away and 2) not visible because it slopes downwards... Just shut up Spieth.
I thought it was a little weird that Spieth was so adamant that “everyone I’m hearing from is saying it was below the line”. First of all, who are all these “adamant” people he’s talking to in the middle of the fairway, and how do they know so “adamantly” seeing as how that side is long, and so steep and narrow that no one was standing or sitting anywhere near that area when the ball landed. After seeing how narrow the distance was between the water and the red line, there is no way anyone had a vantage point that would allow them to have an “adamant” response to where that ball landed. If anything, the height that the ball bounced is much more adamant that it did not land below the red line. I didn’t realize how steep that slope was until Rory walked to the edge of the water. It’s a good 3 foot slope. There is no way that bounces vertically enough to be seen above the Fairway horizon if it hit below that red line.
Look at the stand in the background and than look at where Rory takes his drop
The obvious bounce, should be pretty obvious them questioning isn't about the location of the drop, it's about getting rory out of his rhythm. It's about rattling his cages. I could be wrong but seems a little obvious to me
At 6:22 you can see the area quite clearly. Can't imagine the ball would bounce much if it landed left of red line, at least not high enough for the camera to pick it up from where it was located. In fact left of line appears steeper, is likely softer so with a hooking right to left shot hitting a soft steep right to left slope there would likely be no bounce at all. Rory probably made the right call.
Lastimosamente para latinoamérica entender el idioma lo hace difícil y no ponen traducción mucho más para mejorar.
El golf es mi pasión y aún se ve por lo que discuten.
The only thing that matters is that Rory saw it bounce. Thats how it’s outlined in the rules of golf. The rule does not say drop it where you playing partners say. What viktor thinks is irrelevant. All Rory has to say is I am confident this is where it went it, and drop. That’s it
Look at the red line the bunker and the fairway at about the 1:14 mark. The fairway is at least two feet higher than the bunker. The bunker is about six feet higher than the red line. At the .06 to .07 mark you can see the ball bounce as high as the fairway after hitting the ground to the left of the bunker. If the ball would have hit the ground to the left of the red line, it would have been a huge bounce. That seems unlikely since it’s thick rough and as close as the redline is to the water it would be softer there. So I believe Rory is correct.
It's a lateral hazard so the only relevance is the point of entry. However my opinion is that he could take two club lengths no nearer the hole for relief and drop within that. At no time on the video did I see him take his club and measure that out . He may have well been inside that but I neversaw him actually measure it
He had already measured and dropped before the video started at the drop site. You are right, the point of entry is the entire crux. That is what they are trying to determine. Ultimately they are going to have to use a "best judgement" standard since they were not able to see the landing spot and entry point.
With all the tech in this world ur telling me there was no camera angle on that ball like I'm missing something ??
Time to bring back the blimps(unless they still use'em).
Not allowed to use it, anymore
It proves there is no god.
Or aliens
@@Gam3Junkie I kept watching thinking the TV guys would go to the blimp shot and we would see for ourselves what happened. I guess they just did not have this video available.
Why is Jordan getting involved when he has not seen it…
Make this type of ruling a whole lot easier if the red line is right at the water's edge. What is the rationale to make the hazard extend outside of the actual pond??
for me, this is great sportsmanship all round. All working together to try and get the right outcome
Is Jordan a rules official now?
Every player is a rules official. That is a basic rule of golf.
He is entitled to question if he is marking his card.
@@E.Cantona ANY player in the group is entitled to question a potential rules breach by ANY other player in the group. It is not restricted to the marker.
@@E.Cantonahe’s just practicing for his next career the way he’s playing
Somewhere in a paralell universe Spieth is a Traffic Warden.
That for sure wasn't where it landed according to the camera angle with the statue in the background.
But golf has a way of making sure the scorecard is correct before the end of the round.
Yup, he birdied his last lmao. He actually dropped a bit further back
Yeah, he dropped it further back
One thing Rory is certain about….is that there are no alligators in that pond.
Bro 😂😭👏🏻
Hard to watch now!
I know it doesn’t mean much but they do have divers that go in the ponds at sawgrass that check for big gators and stuff. Still wouldn’t catch me hanging like that in Fl haha
@@rickyshawl508 jesus, brave divers
imagine if he got snatched!
Who cares? The ball went into the water. Drop the ball where you think it went in, take a one stroke penalty and move on. This is the part of golf I cannot stand
Ridiculous
Perfect drop, 5 to 10 yards back from where he thought it went just to be sure he wasn't dropping in front of where it might off cross, and from the footage he was pretty dam close...👍👍
ball in play anyway when Rory dropped it. cannot be picked up after drop or am i wrong? so why did they discussing at all...
I’ve played TPC at Sawgrass multiple times. There’s absolutely no way that ball bounces that high by the hazard line. It’s extremely steep over there at the 7th hole
Didn't Victor do the very similar thing to idk who, questioning (being 100% ball went in water 30yards before the other player said) and why Spieth even goin' there saying camera guys said but it doesn't matter 🤷♂️ if it doesn't don't waste the time then
Rory does seem to be taking a pretty liberal drop from the point where the ball crossed the red line. Is that really 2 club lengths to get that drop so far up the slope?
As for the question is how he proceeded correct? The ball bounced on the bank of the hazard and then crossed over the hazard line and went into the water. That much is clear from the video of his tee shot. You can see the ball hop up before it enters the water. It is a bit disappointing that the discussion is about getting it right so if someone calls it in after the fact he won't be penalized further.
The red line is basically foot from water, no chance the bounce would have been seen with the steepness of the bank dipping to the water.
Why does he keep saying "I keep feeling comfortable that it did"? Comfortable that it did is way different language than Confident that it is.
For the ball to have bounced high enough to be seen by TV it had to have bounced above the hazard red line. The media is interjecting drama into a situation that should be handled by the golfer and his partners.
Rory actually had integrity.. If it was Patrick Reid then definitely we would be questioning everything 😂
Oh the irony
I saw it bounce above the red line with my eyes
And to the score cards. Rory -7 F. Hovland +1 F. Spieth +2 F.
The whiners got their butts handed to them by Rory. Let's hope Rory puts the 10 stroke missed cut on these clowns.
god you're an idiot.
They might be clowns. But Rory is a snake.
Both of them said they didnt know… Who is whining?
These are not whiners, and I'm a huge McIlroy fan. This is how judgment calls are supposed to be handled. If you are a competitive golfer and don't have situations like these from time to time, something is wrong.
No one is whining you dolt. They were asked what they thought and they told him what they knew. It’s not just protecting the field it’s making sure Rory signed a correct scorecard.
Ol' Viktor questioning another players drop at Sawgrass yet again. He did the same thing to Daniel Berger a couple years ago. Rory handled better than Berger did, tho. Funny how nobody said a peep when Eldrick chunk hooked a 5 wood off the 14th the last time he won there. He dropped it 240 yds up the left side and his drive never saw land outside of the end of the tee box. Casey Wittenberg was his playing partner and didn't say a word.
I remember that situation with Tiger. Anyone with eyes knew Tiger should've dropped WAY back from where he did. He took an extra 150 to 200 yds. His playing partners didn't say anything and the tv announcers went strangely quiet. Different set of rules for Tiger.
@@HughJorgan1 Exactly.
In all fairness it was Spieth who was trying his best to change the ruling. When Spieth was pressing Viktor to agree with him Viktor ended up just saying it was a fair drop.
@@1993j My bad, I watched it again and you're correct. I had it backwards. 🤦
Happened to me in tournament. I pointed it out to the guy, made him go back 200+ yds, cursing and they guy threatened to hurt me in the parking lot after the round when we were on the green. I said, how’s you health insurance? He didn’t show in the parking lot afterwards, I had the camera rolling as well!
What is the difference if it was below or above the red line?
None, except knowing it might help in estimating the entry point. But since they are 'guessing" on the entry point, they just need to use their best estimate and get on with it.
For someone who didn’t see the ball Jordan has a lot to say.
yeah.. they seemed trying not to complain but they were... it's just that because, they are miles behind Rory's card position
Rory has done the correct thing. Ultimately it is up to the player, in a situation like this where no one saw precisely where the ball crossed the margin, to make the determination where he believes the ball crossed the margin of the penalty area.
After all that he almost holes it. These guys are incredible at what they do.
Jordan Spith needs to live by the G code, I ain't seen it nor heard it.
bad on the golf event for failing to have a camera in position to resolve this more quickly. Based on the footage available, the ball landed and crossed close enough to where Rory dropped, this shouldn't have been an issue. I recommend Spieth focus more on his game. His claim that everyone saw it (but him) was ridiculous.
Jordan got Triggered 😅
That was a huge waste of time that I could've used to train for the Waterbury Open.
Either way, how does he get to drop twenty feet from the water on level ground?
What you on about? He was 2 club lengths from the water on uneven ground
I think you watched a different video to the rest of us.
2 club lengths from the red line. The red line marks the penalty border, not the physical water.
I’m all for PGA rules and taking some time to get it right…but it’s 2024….let’s make a decision and move on….
Why have these Hazzard Red Lines. It's either hit the bank first or the water. I think these lines around these water hazards are stupid.
All the cameras on a golf game and not one camera caught the ball?? Wow.
I wonder who to listen to , the best golfer is the world basically , or a guy who scored 9 shots worse than Rory , who had two water balls 😂
He’s already taking a penalty , maybe focus on your own golf and stop wasting time … if this was going on in front of me I would ask to play through 😂
Rory isn't even close to being the #1 player in golf right now, take his balls out of your mouth and I don't mean his TP5x's......
I’m on Rory’s side but ur comment makes no sense Jordan is a top 10 player in the world rn lol
@@kylewade8704 no he isn’t 😂 rankings don’t mean anything , and like I said Jordan played the same round 9 shots worse , which should’ve been 11/12 shots worse without the water balls
Can someone explain to me what this is about and why? I’m not that familiar with the rules to understand this issue
Rory is a Beta.
Of course, it’s Rory… Playing partners would love to see him have to hit one off the tee again, but they were wrong and he was right… Maybe just maybe we will see a camera out on that side of the lake in 2025??
Hovland always in the mix
One of the biggest problems with the game, overly complicated rules.
Viktor Hovland seems to always be in this situation
Wow 😯
1 thing shure they will have a camera covering that blind spot tomorow !!
Surely if no one knows where the ball crossed into the hazard and is lost, it should be stroke and distance.
Jordan needs to focus on his own game a tad more
Jordan doesn’t even put the correct score on his scorecard so why is he questioning anyone 😂
Seems like Jordan is trying to say that nobody had a good vantage point so Rory has to go with what he saw.
And that's what the judge ruled.
nonchalant duck at 3:55 wins the gold medal
Incredible that at this point in age, the PGA TOUR don't have a review system like every other major sport.
Thank God!!!
They do. If the video shows and helps the call they use it. The refs often use video to help make the correct call. But the entire 100 acres is not covered by complete video.
All this money and you cant get cameras on every hole. I can barely watch any of my favorite players in a tournament every single week.
Perhaps Jordan Spieth and Viktor Hovland should tend to their own game.
I will take Speith and Hovland over KING Rory.............
@@terryc.3624 Well aren't you special.
Where was shot tracer it’s on every hole surely tht would give a better idea to where the ball landed
Why is speith getting involved he admitted he couldent see anything 😂
Spieth was in a bad mood the whole round. Just came across a bit bitter at that point
If Rory is certain, there is no need to conduct a survey. He should just procedd. If he's not certain, then he needs to gather as much outside evidence as he can.
Ah Speith getting involved in Fookin all to do with him
Imagine being a Rory fan.. we get it you have a lisp
This is why there should not be water hazards on golf courses…. 😏
Assuming the ball was hooked, I don’t see how it bouncing above or below the line would change his point of entry by a significant amount
Correct, Very little. Maybe a yard or two, but since the entry was not visible, they must use "best guess", which is good enough.
I think the ball was flying over the water hazard before emerging over land so if it didnt emerge from the hazard area before bouncing back into the water, then the drop is back where it started to fly over the hazard first. But the big balance of probability is that it did land between the red line and the bunker. Can't believe Spieth didnt realise that it was impossible for spectators on this side of the fairway to see the red line.
they need to get rid of the red line, have a designated drop zone
With the evidence we have, there’s no way it could have landed to the left of the red line. That bounce pretty clearly indicated it landed above the red line. Rory hasn’t broken the rules. Case closed.
You would think officials would have monitors or tablets to rewatch stuff like this. I get it’s golf and and its traditions, but when purses reach $1M and it’s on the line, you don’t want to take a guess on where your ball landed.
The purse is $25 million. The winner gets $4.5 million.
I think Rory was trying to do the right thing. I always say if u try to get over on the game it will get u back quick! Like real quick and norm worse!
Omg - why so complicated?
It def bounced into the water
Speith said he didn't see it .. then stay out of it ..
it's actually good he intervened because it contradicted Viktor who was trying to muddy the ruling. Jordan ended up saying it's up to Rory because he didn't see it and Viktor in the end agreed...
Speith is being a Karen.. he didn't see the ball stay out of it
For me you are the best in the world, I just want you to forget these injustices towards your colleagues
There is a Technical Match Official in every game nowadays with all the video and technology, surely these officials prancing around the course with giant mics can phone into a central video room for an official to confirm what he sees on the screen and this could just take a second. Behoves me that chaps are operating like its 1974.
It’s cost Rory the lead and it made him rush.but you know guys he’s going to win this tournament
The drop off is way too severe for any fans on the other side of the fairway to have seen where the ball contacted the ground. Jordan is talking out of his a$$ trying to make a controversy.