Using AES50 to Send and Receive Audio on x32 W/Stage Boxes
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- This video will help you understand how to get Audio to and from your Digital Stage Box via AES50. To connect your Mics, and Speakers over a single Ethernet Cable. AES50 is a powerful tool, but it is confusing if you don't understand it.
Video 1: USER Input and Output Routing ( • USER Input and Output ... )
Video 2: Routing I/O with AES50 & Stage Boxes (This Video)
Video 3: Using x32 Rack as a Stage Box & Independent Mixer ( • Using the x32 Rack as ... )
Video 4: MultiTrack Recording and Playback on x32 ( • MultiTrack Recording &... )
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00:00 - Routing over AES50
00:27 - A Look at Stage Box Hardware
01:12 - x32 Rack as IEM Mixer
01:43 - x32 Rack as Small event Mixer
02:13 - How to Save x32 Scene?
02:37 - How to connect your first Stage Box?
03:37 - How to connect a second Stage Box?
03:48 - What is AES50-A vs AES50-B?
04:06 - How to Assign Stage Box Inputs?
05:30 - Troubleshooting AES50 Inputs
06:32 - Seeing multiple boxes over one AES50 Port
06:50 - Review of Video 1
07:33 - Routing AES50 Inputs
10:26 - Routing AES50 Outputs
12:07 - Using the stage Box Switch to change Outputs
13:12 - AES50-A out to User Outputs
12:53 - Solving the multiple assigned USER OUT1-8 issue
15:55 - Review
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@crazyAmazingDesigns I have you same setup excluding the S 16. I am familiar with using the S 32 and the actual X 32 mixer. My question is if I'm just using the SD 16 but I will preferred to use it for AES50 channel 17 to 32 via SD 16 and 1- 16 as local is that possible?
I believe you answered my question
For those attempting to link two X32's together, it is important to note that the ethernet cable does need to be shielded preferably a shileded Ethercon cable.
Also one X32 has to have its clock synchronization set to Internal but the second needs to have its timing sync set to AES-A (If using A on both units). You should have a green light on both X32's for AES-A or B if using B port.
Excellent tutorial. Great in-depth explanations.
Nice tutorial but for the future I would recommend to start with one StageBox and explain IN and OUT AES50 and then explain connection of multiple StageBox-es.
However, very helpfull. Thank you.
Hi, Yes, I tried to explain this in sequence, but I also completely understand what you're saying. -Nathan R
Thank you so much sir for your packaged information.
Nathan, this was interesting. We have an x32 and only one stage box, DL16. Do have a video explaining routing just using one stage box? Thanks
Currently this is my only AES50 x32 routing video, but basically you can go to the input page and select AES50-A, 1-8, 9-16, as your inputs to the x32. Connect the A port on the DL16 and to the A port on the x32. DONE! -Nathan
Thank you for this really helpful video. What's the difference between the USER out and Normal output on the aes A tab?
Hi, the best thing you can do is watch my USER Routing video. I can explain this topic much better on that video than typing here. -Nathan R ua-cam.com/video/TZGz7E34yzo/v-deo.html
Hi Nate, thanks for making these videos. 1:30 you mention the band could change the house mix. Are you using the MX-Q app? That is what we use and it only lets the band adjust the mix bus they have selected in the app.
Yes, and yes, Thanks for the comment! There was a time I did not know this and had not used the light app versions. I created a video last week where I looked at all the different apps and what they are capable of. -Nathan
Tonight, I have no monitor engineer and I'm running the monitors myself. I'm hoping to run the monitors from the FOH console without repatching. Yes I know I can put the AES50A cable going to the stage and plug it directly into my main M32 Live at FOH, but what fun is that?
I have DL32 on stage with a M32C connected to it's AES50A port. Then on the M32C, I have a M32 Live connected to the M32C AES50B port. I'm in a situation where I want to route the M32 Live outputs (1-16) to the DL32 outputs without physically repatching anything. As far as I understand things, on the AES50-B tab on the M32C, I can use the first two columns (AES50B Outputs 1-8 and AES50B Outputs 9-16). I scroll down and select "AES50A 1-8" and "AES50A 9-16" accordingly. This should now route the AES50B inputs of the M32C to the AES50A outputs on the M32C, which are already routed to the AES50A inputs of the DL32...right?
For anyone wondering, we already use this system successfully as a dual console Mon/FOH system using the Aux In Re-map method (all outputs on the DL32 are fed from the M32C Monitor console...because technically only one M32 console can interact with the DL32 at a time - though happy to be proven wrong about that).
First of all, I had no clue the M32C mixer existed. So Thanks!! To fix your issue, I think you have the AES50-A & AES50-B routing backwards on the M32C. I build a diagram based on how you said this is wired. That I'd love to send you, so please send me an email. If your M32 is connected to the AES50-B port on the M32C. And the DL32 is connected to the AES50-A port on the M32C.
Then from the AES50-A tab in routing on the M32C, you need to select the inputs AES50-B 1-16, from the m32. -Nathan
@@CrazyAmazingDesigns Hey Nathan, it all worked as I described it. So nice to not have to rewire anything for this setup.
Hi Nathan, in our church in Belgium i use an X32 with SD8, SD16 and SD8 in cascade. THe output switches are set to 1-8, 9-16 and 17-24. How can i route, lets say mix bus1 to output 24? (we also use P16m, so all of these channels are in use)
Hi Danny, I'm going to be in Flensunger Hof, Germany this summer for EmpowerConference2023. On your x32, on the AES50-AorB page, set the 1-8, 9-16, and 17-24 outputs to be USER Outs. Then in the User Out page, select OUT 24 and select mixbus 1 as the source. Send me an email (in description) if you still can't get it, -Nathan Robb
Hello Nathan. Your explanation for this mixer and stage box is the first video to give me a better understanding of how this should work. Thank you. Im still having a little trouble with the outputs on the stage box. I have 2 SD8's wired as you said. My mixer shows Chanels 1-8 (Local inputs) Chanels 9-16 (Local inputs) Chanels 17-24 (inputs are A1-A8) Chanels 25-32 (A9-A16) The problem I am having is that I need output Chanels 7 and 8 on the stage box to act as Monitor outputs (Like "Monitor" on the rear of the console) How do I achieve this?
You can assign the XLR outs from the "XLR Outputs" tab. Then what mixbus or L/R mix is sent to each from the "OUT" tab. -Nathan
I have. A problem : I have an sd 16 just like the 8 channel snake u show, but with 16 channels, so every time I connect it to A and A from my x32 to the a port of the sd16 snake,,, but when I connected it to port B of the sd16 it shows a red light, (not the power on light). And the interesting part is that on the. X32 it shows as being connected but nothing works… any suggestions?
x32 Console AES50-A port -> connects to S16 (A) port. The screen on the x32, the top, should show Green on the AES50-A connection. Port B on the S16 is the output port, you could use it to connect to a second stage box. -Nathan
Email me if you still are having issues, YT didn't show me this comment until I hunted for it.
I’m still new at this and we want to our 4 iem system. What’s your ideals on connecting them up for use
I’m gonna need some more info, P16s are the easiest option. Connect multiple of them to the Poe switch and connect the switch to the x32. Now you have a bunch of personal mixers for the band. Each member can plug into there personal mixer and control the mix from the p16.
Using sennheiser G4 wireless iem system. My understanding is you connect transmitter to your Aux in’s. On x32 back panel.
Thank you for the informative videos. I have a X32 plus an s16 stage box. Ordinarily I am able to use 2 active FOH (front of hall) speakers on stage, and 2 active FOH speakers set back from stage in a long room (with a bit of delay). But with a band that requires 4 monitors, I have to use one pair for the monitors leaving me with just 2 active FOH stage speakers. So I can swap them out for passive FOH stage speakers using an amp and move the actives to back in the room. How would I route the main mix -- I could use channels 7 and 8 to the passives, but what to do to get the main mix to the actives as well. (Hope I'm clear enough). Outs 1-4 go to monitors on mixbusses 1-4, no problem. outs 5 and 6 could go to actives, and 7 and 8 to passive speakers. (I don't believe you can daisy chain actives off my EAW passives.) So how to duplicate main mix of 7 and 8 to 5 and 6? I'm sure it is probably easy.. thanks!
and when using the 4 actives as FOH speakers I just daisy chain them.
Hi Jim, On the OUT 1-16 page, this is where you can set the outputs for the Outs 1-4 and 5-8 you have already sent to your S16. Set 5/6 to be Main L/R just like the 7/8. You can daisy chain Active speakers easily, but Passive speaker Amps sometimes don't have a through port. You could use an XLR Splitter cable if it comes to it. -Nathan R (Email me if you still can't get it, or Schedule a Training Call through my website and we can definitively get things working the way you'd like.)
@@CrazyAmazingDesigns Thanks so much! Easy deal.. works fine. I wasn't sure I would have volume control separate from the other pair of speakers from the board though, so I tried setting 5 and 6 outputs to Matrix 1 and 2 and that also seems to work and gives me volume control. Hopefully doesn't create other issues. Plus your reply made me look at our amplifier, a QSC PLX 3602 power amp that has a parallel Mode. It says "use only one input when operating in Parallel Mode. The remaining input connector can be used for daisy-chaining the signal to other amplifiers. " So perhaps that would work -- just with no board volume control per pair.. but I could always jump up and adjust individual speaker volumes on the speakers. Thanks again!
Hi Nathan, finally a video that should help me... I find it very confusing using the Edit-Software and see the Editing local at the device. It looks just so different. And: Why do the label the User-Output Category "AES50-A in", when you want actually send something "out"? I think I'm wrong. I spend hours on the x32...Please: I want to send 28 Channels (received from the AES-A Port), and 2 local inputs, the mix busses and Main L/R back on the AES-A Port to my other devices.
User Out Tab: user out 1-16 to Output 1-16 (because the Stagebox Wiring takes only the 1-16)
User Out Tab: AES50-A 1-32 to Output 17-48 (will be rerouted in X32R)
Tab XRL: all 1-16 to User Out
(Using an X32R as Monitormixer, connected to a S32)
Thank you for an advice.
Love it! Glad you found value in this video. I agree it's confusing, Send me an email and let's connect over the phone to talk about this. It's just too much to do over YT Comments. lol CrazyAmazingNathan@gmail.com
In the USER Inputs section, let's select Channel 1. I'll select "AES50-A Source 1" as the input. Now I'm pulling from "AES50-A Source 1" for Console input 1. In the AES50-A tab it's all about MixBus Outputs to AES50-A. But in the Input tab, or in the USER IN tab when the Inputs tab is set to USER IN. There it's all about AES50-A channel Inputs from stage boxes.
-Nathan
Hi…wrote you a mail… Thank you
Hi, how to use a X32 compacto with stagebox WITH FIBER Cable? (same as Dante).
Hi, You cannot run AES50 over a direct point to point fiber connection from the stage box. If your building is run with Fiber networking that is fine. I would setup a network switch near the x32 compact mixer and connect the switch to the x32. You can then connect the dante card port and the network port to the switch, and the switch to the network. -Nathan R
I have an X32 Compact and an S32 stage box. I need to output Mains LR and 8 Wired IEM mixes from the s32. How do I route this on the compact? I thought I followed this video to the T. However, im still only able to use outputs 1-8 on the s32. Does the Astrid on output 9-16 go away once it's configured properly? Im going a little insane at this point. Please help.
On the compact, go to Routing Page. Assuming the S32 is connected via AES50-A on both the compact and the S32. Go to Routing-> AES50-A tab, select 1-8 and 9-16 as Output 1-8 and Output 9-16. That should be all the routing to get Outputs 1-16 to output on the s32. Go to the OUT tab to set what source is set to each output. -Nathan
Are the drivers updated?
Hi @CrazyAmazingDesigns I have a X32 with a snake cable box with 8 outputs on stage, i also have the sd16 for an additional 8 outputs. How do i route my mixer to take the first 8 output from my xlr output and the other 8 outputs from the SD16 stagebox output.
Thank you
Hey! I replied to your email. 😀 -Nathan
@@CrazyAmazingDesigns Thank you soo much
Where is video 5 in this series? It's not linked in your description & I can't see it on your page...
I’ve only done 4 videos of this kind. What would you like to see in a Video 5? Dedicated Dante?
@@CrazyAmazingDesigns At the end of this video you say that video 5 will be go deeper into routing & some best practices for user outputs.
Hy. Can i use a xr16 as a digital stagebox
Unfortunately No, the XR16 does not support AES50. This is why I recommend spending a little bit more for the x32 compact which has a lot more expandability including AES50 and an expansion card slot. -Nathan
Ok
Glad it was helpful! -Nathan
ua-cam.com/video/fRFHDfw4PiA/v-deo.html Is there a difference between the AES OUT and AES USER out if you link each number to the same channel on the USER tab ? If I understood correctly, USER is to change the path of a channel , Example sending Out 3 to Out 8 etc...
Hi, USER IN and OUT give you the most flexibility. Assign USER OUT to AES50-A, for example; now you can send any input or Output in the console to those AES50-A stage box output XLR connectors. -Nathan R