I enjoyed this video and the winter weather; I too enjoy the cold and snow...not all the time, but certainly mid-November through early March. Keep up the awesome videos!
A fine video. First class! Nice seats. Good food. Beautiful scenery. I would enjoy a train journey in Finland's cold, snowy weather. Thanks Thibault 👌😀👍🚊❄️
I like that isolated phone area as well! Other trains, especially commuter trains, should have these but I just know it's a matter of time before people start using it to smoke or do other trashy things in it.
Correction. From Tampere to Kokkola it is single track and again from Ylivieska to Kemijärvi or to Kolari it is single track. Only between Helsinki - Tampere and between Kokkola - Ylivieska is double track.
VR use demand-responsive pricing for their trains, so it depends on the time, day and number of bookings. But as a guide, Helsinki - Kemi starts at around €21 one way when booked in advance. The Friday before Christmas (perhaps the busiest travel day of the year) it costs about €80. The upgrade to Ekstra class starts at about €20.
The bike storage in IC trains is not free; you need to add a bicycle (about 5€ per bike) to your ticket when buying it, or you won't be able to bring the bike on board.
Nice to see SR to check our regular InterCity product. Few pointers though: Should probably check EKO class toilet as well, chances of not-as-clean toilet increases a LOT, even more for late night train (speaking from experience). EKO seats are horrible, but then, i am heavy weight person...but then, nothing beats good old 'steel coaches' like we call them, or 'Plootu', the old Finnish passenger cars that are more or less recycled by now. I would not call our dining cars as DINING cars, they are just big cafe's on rails, also, the upper deck seats doesn't recline, something to do with law... And in the end, they are not that cheap, until one reserves the trip months in advance. Regular price would been closer to 100 euro. (EDIT: fast reservevation took the price very close to 100 euro, two weeks advance it was 80 euro)
I took this trip in August from Rovanieni to Helsinki, the train was great, but the scenery was not as impressive as I expected. It was flat for the most part.
Thanks for the video! We once traveled on the Allegro high-speed train from St. Petersburg to Helsinki. It was very convenient! But then the kind Finns stole this train from the passengers. It was a joint business of Russian Railways and Finnish VR
The company that owns/owned Allegro rolling stock (Karelian Trains) is registered in Finland and was owned half-half by VR and RŽD. After the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the border closing for passengers, RŽD stopped paying for the upkeep of the trains, thus breaking the contract signed by them. As per the conditions of the contract, VR legally acquired the trains fully to themselves. You can't "steal" anything if the other partner stops fulfilling the obligations stated in the contract between the partners.
@laju We have different information. VR unilaterally stopped transportation under the pretext that Putin started a war with Ukraine. As for closing the borders, this is also Finland's initiative. The Finns have deceived Russians twice by selling them visas. The first time was with Covid. The second time was when Putin started the war in Ukraine. In general, it is dangerous for the Finns to follow the Ukrainian scenario. The United States also promised them a lot across the ocean. We see the result. And huge Russia with an extremely dangerous dictator is right next door. A smart politician will wait out Putin's time. And a stupid politician will anger the bear and poke him with a stick. It's a pity that the Finns have forgotten their wise president Kekkonen
Any chance of getting such a large train car running on Amtrak? Other than the switch from extra-wide Finnish/Russian track gauge to standard gauge used in the U.S.. Amtrak should at least consider re-engineering their entire country-wide route network to allow for such double-decker train cars to run coast to coast, (including Auto Train cars) on the NE Corridor, from Maine to Boston to NYC to Florida.
There are too many tunnels and low bridges in the NE Corridor (mainly in and out of Manhattan) for double decker trains. That's why the Superliners are never used north of Washington DC.
@@jameslovestokyo Expensive? Yes, but not impossible. Maybe not immediately, with "Amtrak Joe" leaving office. But eventually?: needs to happen. Hopefully, the new Hudson River Tunnels are being designed with double-decker train car compatibility in mind. Even if they won't be handling such train cars for another 20 years or more.
In addition to the height restrictions, superliners are also a foot narrower than the finnish loading gauge allows, which means that they would have to re-build basically every single mile of track (as well as stations, signals, bridges, and other infrastructure) these would run on to allow for them to pass other trains and just generally fit. Basically, they have more important stuff to worry about than rebuilding 20,000+ miles of track, most of which they don't own.
@@Flying_Skier Super Liner sized cars in outside dimensions, but interiors similar to the Finnish, and made in the U.S.. Tunnel & underpasses would be their own separate issue for the U.S. Congress to contend with.
I'd be wary of taking the window facing dining seats if you're on a long haul trip. I found it to be quite uncomfortable with almost no leg room when facing the window. I'd rather a regular seat than this.
To be far the seat rotates 360 degrees with 45 degrees locking positions so there is a way to get more legroom. Hence they are my go-to seat if the train is IC
I'm slightly puzzled that you had to pay €24± on top of your InterRail ticket. Any idea why that was? Otherwise and interesting trip. Merci beaucoup, Thibault.
Je conduis des trains chaque jour mais cette chaîne est à la seule à me donner envie de passer du temps dans des trains et voyager encore et toujours 😂 Super vidéo encore une fois et je le répète mais la mise en place des sous titres est un vrai plus pour les gens comme moi qui baragouinent tant bien que mal la langue de tonton Shakespeare😂
This reminded me of watching a silent movie from early last century. Just instead of piano playing we had some train noises, no other coomments.
Can confirm, the small elevators are for snack trolleys which are used on services without dining cars
A very fine video Monsieur Thybault !
I enjoyed this video and the winter weather; I too enjoy the cold and snow...not all the time, but certainly mid-November through early March. Keep up the awesome videos!
A fine video. First class! Nice seats. Good food. Beautiful scenery. I would enjoy a train journey in Finland's cold, snowy weather. Thanks Thibault 👌😀👍🚊❄️
These trains definitely pass the Geoff Marshall elbow test
Great video !!
I like that isolated phone area as well! Other trains, especially commuter trains, should have these but I just know it's a matter of time before people start using it to smoke or do other trashy things in it.
I’m a simple man: I see a lookalike to the Re 460, I click
Awesome video
Correction. From Tampere to Kokkola it is single track and again from Ylivieska to Kemijärvi or to Kolari it is single track. Only between Helsinki - Tampere and between Kokkola - Ylivieska is double track.
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Boa tarde simplys Boa viagem de trem ekstra ótimo sexta feira
Might be interesting to add the price of a ticket without the interrail pass, as not everyone has one.
VR use demand-responsive pricing for their trains, so it depends on the time, day and number of bookings. But as a guide, Helsinki - Kemi starts at around €21 one way when booked in advance. The Friday before Christmas (perhaps the busiest travel day of the year) it costs about €80. The upgrade to Ekstra class starts at about €20.
The bike storage in IC trains is not free; you need to add a bicycle (about 5€ per bike) to your ticket when buying it, or you won't be able to bring the bike on board.
Nice to see SR to check our regular InterCity product. Few pointers though: Should probably check EKO class toilet as well, chances of not-as-clean toilet increases a LOT, even more for late night train (speaking from experience). EKO seats are horrible, but then, i am heavy weight person...but then, nothing beats good old 'steel coaches' like we call them, or 'Plootu', the old Finnish passenger cars that are more or less recycled by now. I would not call our dining cars as DINING cars, they are just big cafe's on rails, also, the upper deck seats doesn't recline, something to do with law... And in the end, they are not that cheap, until one reserves the trip months in advance. Regular price would been closer to 100 euro. (EDIT: fast reservevation took the price very close to 100 euro, two weeks advance it was 80 euro)
I took this trip in August from Rovanieni to Helsinki, the train was great, but the scenery was not as impressive as I expected. It was flat for the most part.
i have relatives in Kemi that i haven't seen for years
Train looks clean but too bad it was so heavily delayed. 😢 I hope they don't make that a habit...
Never mind the seat pitch, the price is incredibly cheap compared to rip-off Britain.
For profit companies.
I am guessing that the little phone area used to be a phone booth with a pay phone back in the day.
They have always been for using your own mobile phone, since the mobile phone market was booming when these train cars were first introduced.
How warm was the consist? Did you wear a coat to bed?
Thanks for the video! We once traveled on the Allegro high-speed train from St. Petersburg to Helsinki. It was very convenient! But then the kind Finns stole this train from the passengers. It was a joint business of Russian Railways and Finnish VR
The company that owns/owned Allegro rolling stock (Karelian Trains) is registered in Finland and was owned half-half by VR and RŽD. After the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the border closing for passengers, RŽD stopped paying for the upkeep of the trains, thus breaking the contract signed by them. As per the conditions of the contract, VR legally acquired the trains fully to themselves. You can't "steal" anything if the other partner stops fulfilling the obligations stated in the contract between the partners.
@laju We have different information. VR unilaterally stopped transportation under the pretext that Putin started a war with Ukraine. As for closing the borders, this is also Finland's initiative. The Finns have deceived Russians twice by selling them visas. The first time was with Covid. The second time was when Putin started the war in Ukraine. In general, it is dangerous for the Finns to follow the Ukrainian scenario. The United States also promised them a lot across the ocean. We see the result. And huge Russia with an extremely dangerous dictator is right next door. A smart politician will wait out Putin's time. And a stupid politician will anger the bear and poke him with a stick. It's a pity that the Finns have forgotten their wise president Kekkonen
Any chance of getting such a large train car running on Amtrak? Other than the switch from extra-wide Finnish/Russian track gauge to standard gauge used in the U.S.. Amtrak should at least consider re-engineering their entire country-wide route network to allow for such double-decker train cars to run coast to coast, (including Auto Train cars) on the NE Corridor, from Maine to Boston to NYC to Florida.
There are too many tunnels and low bridges in the NE Corridor (mainly in and out of Manhattan) for double decker trains. That's why the Superliners are never used north of Washington DC.
@@jameslovestokyo Expensive? Yes, but not impossible. Maybe not immediately, with "Amtrak Joe" leaving office. But eventually?: needs to happen. Hopefully, the new Hudson River Tunnels are being designed with double-decker train car compatibility in mind. Even if they won't be handling such train cars for another 20 years or more.
In addition to the height restrictions, superliners are also a foot narrower than the finnish loading gauge allows, which means that they would have to re-build basically every single mile of track (as well as stations, signals, bridges, and other infrastructure) these would run on to allow for them to pass other trains and just generally fit. Basically, they have more important stuff to worry about than rebuilding 20,000+ miles of track, most of which they don't own.
@@Flying_Skier Super Liner sized cars in outside dimensions, but interiors similar to the Finnish, and made in the U.S.. Tunnel & underpasses would be their own separate issue for the U.S. Congress to contend with.
@RVail623 Money is no object. Just ask the Dems and you will remember that everytime you go to buy your groceries.
Such huge trains. I presume that is the Russian legacy. At least they did some good things!
It's all RailCowGirl's fault
I think she drives in Norway, not in Finland
I'd be wary of taking the window facing dining seats if you're on a long haul trip. I found it to be quite uncomfortable with almost no leg room when facing the window. I'd rather a regular seat than this.
To be far the seat rotates 360 degrees with 45 degrees locking positions so there is a way to get more legroom. Hence they are my go-to seat if the train is IC
I'm slightly puzzled that you had to pay €24± on top of your InterRail ticket. Any idea why that was? Otherwise and interesting trip. Merci beaucoup, Thibault.
Ekstra class commands a surcharge on top of any ticket, including Interrail.
Je conduis des trains chaque jour mais cette chaîne est à la seule à me donner envie de passer du temps dans des trains et voyager encore et toujours 😂 Super vidéo encore une fois et je le répète mais la mise en place des sous titres est un vrai plus pour les gens comme moi qui baragouinent tant bien que mal la langue de tonton Shakespeare😂
Pls speak in English. The CC covers half of the video. Very irritating to watch with CC.