@@eilyn510 I hope his gf at the time realized it's all for show, everything they say, how they say, when to say it, how they act in public, everything is an act people. I think them not talking to each other or see each other anymore proved that enough. All they had together was skating. And all of it it's because of Scott, Tessa deserves better.
It's not a romantic relationship, you have to accept that. What it actually is, is just PURE LOVE. The kind of love that makes it through a storm and makes it out alive. The kind of love where without the other person they can't breathe. Love doesn't necessarily mean they have to be dating and get married. It just means that they will stay at each other's side for as long as they live.
Everything you said is true. And they are very lucky to have that. To find someone that gets you like no one else,to have someone there for you no matter what, someone that doesn't ask you anything...it's rare as hell! Altought i think it could be something else,there are romantic relationships that could be deep and pure and there are deep friendships that could turn into something else,better even than the friendship before.But that is not always the case,sometimes it can end really bad and the friendship is ruined forever,maybe they love each other too much to risk it. Whatever it is they have it's beautiful and unique to watch❤
I actually don't care if they are romantically together or not... the connection they have gives me life. It's so much purer than any romantic film, I swear.
I completely agree with you! And even Tessa said that she thinks that maybe part of the special connection and chemistry they have comes from the fact that they were never a couple
Could you imagine? They have been doing this together since before they were 9, They couldn't possibly have had a normal life growing up. Not just that but an intense and unique one. *There is literally no one on the planet who could understand Scott better than Tessa and Visa Versa!* I don't think their relationship is romantic or familial, but something that *truly goes beyond that.*
Here's what I know...they have been in the public so long and their fans are all over their story because they look so intimate on the ice. I would have to have something that was private. Scott has made a lot of slips,Tessa has not. There's a video of Scott in an interview stating that Tessa was restless at night when she sleeps,lol. She gave him the side eye. TMI...now exactly how would he know how restless she sleeps unless he was beside her. So anyway- that's a boyfriend or husband comment because there is intimacy. Actually , I just want to see them skate together as many times as possible.Tessa drapes her body around Scott effortlessly. I have never seen anything like it...so beautiful to see. The only other skaters with this much chemistry are Vanessa James / Morgan Cipres. Fans want them to get married too. I just hope they are happy because that much chemistry deserves a happy ending whatever they choose to do. It's just magical to watch.
1:02 is probably one of my all time favourite Scott and Tessa moments. Him just saying she’s “so beautiful” makes my heart melt. They say they’re not dating because they’re not, they’re so much more than dating.
I don't know how another person could compete with their bond. It would drive me crazy to be a part of it. I just want to enjoy their immense talent as long as possible. Not my business if they have an intimate relationship.
People never want anything what is right in their face. I do not think that they had never felt more than friends-love during more then 20 years. It will be the moment in the future, when they will find out how they feel for each other, now they are separated. Pressure and hard work stoped, they never have to see each other again. In my opinion it was not fake. It was unconditional love which was so natural for they could not realised it, or never had the courage to take it. We will see what the future will bring into their lifes. We have to live with their choice too. By the way, it would be fairy tale come true if they would find each other again. Not on the rink. Not for a role. Not for work. Not for the crowd but for love to live in real life far away compliance constraint. I hope they find themself free. Best is yet to come!
Scott, you are love poetry... you love Tessa...and you express it in the most beautiful way...with tender. with respect with delicacy, with proud and admiration, with passion and strength.. You are a beautiful young man and gentleman. I can't understand why you are not about to marriage yet...if you both together express to crowd the most beautiful and pure feelings of love..
What a foundation for a happy, peaceful life together...for ever and ever! All the best...don’t throw this friendship away getting involved with someone else.
66joydipi It's kind of taken out of context...he wasn't talking about Tessa in that interview...he was talking about them dating in general...like...other people...
I don't care anymore if they're not a couple. I just want them to keep on dancing together. Their magic is on ICE, not in real life! To end a glorious partnership after 22 years just like THAT is almost a crime! Torvil & Dean were never a couple, but they continued to dance together for 38 years. Why can't Scott & Tessa?
I'm glad there are many videos of them both together. I didn't see them at this years Olympic skating event or any other event. They are like the hidden diamonds in the mine that were finally found. Now I will have to keep watching romantic skating videos while I recuperate from my broken toe.
Przykre że ich drogi rozeszły się w taki smutny sposób Dla mnie każde ich spojrzenie, uśmiech, gest, mowa ciała były wyrazem ich miłości i uwielbienia dla siebie nawzajem Widząc ich razem widać było szczęście emanujące wokół nich Ale pewne czyny, słowa, zadane rany, wybory nie będą w stanie wprowadzić ich z powrotem na tą samą drogę Nie sądzę żeby po tylu wspaniałych latach mogli być naprawdę szczęśliwi z dala od siebie Nawet nie jako para, ale jako bratnie dusze rozumiejące się bez słów Życzę im razem i każdemu z osobna powodzenia w dalszym życiu i wszystkiego najlepszego dziękując jednocześnie za wszystkie wspaniałe chwile z ich udziałem Cudowni ludzie, wspaniali łyżwiarze, najlepsi w znanej mi historii tego sportu Miałam nadzieję że przynajmniej na polu zawodowym zostaną nierozłączni np. jako trenerzy sportowi I to jest moje marzenie Zobaczyć ich znów razem obok siebie Ten uśmiech Tessy wpatrzonej w Scotta i uwielbienie Scotta dla Tessy
Tutto vero lo scritto precedente, sono stati meravigliosi... Hanno fatto sognare.... Non esiste una coppia come loro, erano perfetti. Il loro sguardo incantava.
I’ve been in tears all evening! You are such a magical, delightful, beautiful couple! Your skating is absolutely beautiful...perfect!! And you are not getting married to each other?? Woe is me! I’ve got to get over this! 😢
It does not matter what if you come up on the screen I have to watch it even I seen it how many times very time a enjoy watching it thank you for you ♥️
O casal de patinadores mais lindo do mundo Perfeita sincronia e muito amor eles transmitem para o publico, ela tem cara de princesa a mais linda do mundo ele também é lindo demais Casal doce é lindo de ver 👏👏👏👏👏
I hope Scott can also live without tessa every day. I think he love her so much. More than tessa love scott. She trust him every day but she does not live with him toghter...unfortunatly not😔❤
NO not this song 😭💔 "and how rare and beautiful it is to even exist.." this existed once and it was so beautiful damnit, and so rare that they were the most enigmatic pair in FS, bar none.
When a man says to a woman and the world "she keeps me alive"... there's a relationship. When Scott is ready to do something about it,he will let us all know. They are soulmates.
this is so beautiful! i was just wondering what videos the "so beautiful!" on ice part with tessa at about 1:00 and the part where scott says something and tessa bends over laughing at about 1:06 are from???
Scott and Tessa look beautiful when they were with each other during their ice dancing partnership. Their attitudes towards each other expressed a lot of spontaneity, joy and affection in their relationship.
pattycakes96 cool do you live in Edmonton? Also tell how it was because your are going before me!!!! And I am really happy because it is on May 17 which is Tessas birthday
A mi francamente me parece que el amor era fuerte fuerte de ambos , pero no supieron msnejarlo . Scott era impulsivo ... Y se equivocó por exigirle demasiado a ella . El hecho que Scott se desapareció demuestra lo mucho que le afectó, y que fue el que se equivocó mas . Aunque ambos tomaron rumbos distintos . Como muchas historias de amor , no terminó bien , y creo en el fondo aue nunca se olvidaran.
Beautifully said. I don't know if you have seen their post retirement videos and Scott's interviews since he's been coaching. He does bring up that dark time when she was going through her first surgery and they didn't speak to each other for 2 months. I know he feels deep regret. He's brought it up to one of his teams he coaches as well. Maybe he senses something about that time period. I just feel for both of them on so many levels. Navigating so much. even now post retirement with their respective marriages, career, and not seeing and physically being together like before. I'm sure they still go through things emotionally when it comes to each other and their "soulmate" connection.
Ontem vi uma entrevista de Scott Moir sozinho me pareceu triste nervoso agora vendo este vídeo é muito estranho saber que ele está noivo Tessa namorando outra pessoa alguma coisa está errada porque me parecem infelizes separados será que estão fazendo um teste se estão é melhor voltarem seria lindo demais espero que aconteça isso ...💕💕💕
@@juliab7169 Não vi está entrevista mais deve ter sido muito estranho porque nada ver ele ea noiva eu vi uma em que ele anunciou o noivado muito esquisito...
Like Sergei to Katia, Scott is to Tessa, only, Scott lives on to be someone elses husband and father to their daughter, whichever way, Scott and Tessa embody the love we so yearn to see
Are you sure what you wrote? Scott never married? (I think the same, but!!) It would be wonderful if they were dating because I think they love each other forever it's sad to see a couple like that not being together, I think they'll just be completely happy with each other
I'm sorry I couldn't actually hear what was being said. OK so they never dated each-other, would probably have been a bad career move to do so... but watching their love hurts.
"I don't think she realizes that she keeps me alive." if this is not being in love, i don't know what is.
YOU RIGHT WHAT LOVE IS IT
Nathalie Cool And imagine what a girlfriend would think if she hears her boyfriend say that about his supposedly best friend! That’s love!
@@eilyn510 I hope his gf at the time realized it's all for show, everything they say, how they say, when to say it, how they act in public, everything is an act people. I think them not talking to each other or see each other anymore proved that enough. All they had together was skating. And all of it it's because of Scott, Tessa deserves better.
@@TianaT4 how do you know they do not see each other anymore ? 🥺
Oh for the public show? How very brief is one show compared to the hours and hours and hours of rehearsals and time alone together.
It's not a romantic relationship, you have to accept that. What it actually is, is just PURE LOVE. The kind of love that makes it through a storm and makes it out alive. The kind of love where without the other person they can't breathe. Love doesn't necessarily mean they have to be dating and get married. It just means that they will stay at each other's side for as long as they live.
exactly! they're soulmates just platonically!
You think Scott's wife or Tessa's husband would agree to that?
@@josiepens4480 yes
Everything you said is true. And they are very lucky to have that. To find someone that gets you like no one else,to have someone there for you no matter what, someone that doesn't ask you anything...it's rare as hell! Altought i think it could be something else,there are romantic relationships that could be deep and pure and there are deep friendships that could turn into something else,better even than the friendship before.But that is not always the case,sometimes it can end really bad and the friendship is ruined forever,maybe they love each other too much to risk it. Whatever it is they have it's beautiful and unique to watch❤
I actually don't care if they are romantically together or not... the connection they have gives me life. It's so much purer than any romantic film, I swear.
I completely agree with you! And even Tessa said that she thinks that maybe part of the special connection and chemistry they have comes from the fact that they were never a couple
Could you imagine? They have been doing this together since before they were 9, They couldn't possibly have had a normal life growing up. Not just that but an intense and unique one. *There is literally no one on the planet who could understand Scott better than Tessa and Visa Versa!* I don't think their relationship is romantic or familial, but something that *truly goes beyond that.*
EthalaRide ❤️
Here's what I know...they have been in the public so long and their fans are all over their story because they look so intimate on the ice. I would have to have something that was private. Scott has made a lot of slips,Tessa has not. There's a video of Scott in an interview stating that Tessa was restless at night when she sleeps,lol. She gave him the side eye. TMI...now exactly how would he know how restless she sleeps unless he was beside her. So anyway- that's a boyfriend or husband comment because there is intimacy. Actually , I just want to see them skate together as many times as possible.Tessa drapes her body around Scott effortlessly. I have never seen anything like it...so beautiful to see. The only other skaters with this much chemistry are Vanessa James / Morgan Cipres. Fans want them to get married too. I just hope they are happy because that much chemistry deserves a happy ending whatever they choose to do. It's just magical to watch.
@@reneedavis870 What interview was that?
@@midnightswamii when they played the newly weed game
1:02 is probably one of my all time favourite Scott and Tessa moments. Him just saying she’s “so beautiful” makes my heart melt. They say they’re not dating because they’re not, they’re so much more than dating.
From where is that clip?
I'll never stop wondering about these two...
They don't have to get married. They already are - maybe not legally or physically, but mentally
I don't know how another person could compete with their bond. It would drive me crazy to be a part of it. I just want to enjoy their immense talent as long as possible. Not my business if they have an intimate relationship.
That was such a good sentence Jay
Tessa was always smiling whenever he's with Scott. Scott was so gentle and sweet to Tessa. Action speaks louder than words.
It's very rare to see someone smile as much as Tessa does when she's with Scott
People never want anything what is right in their face. I do not think that they had never felt more than friends-love during more then 20 years. It will be the moment in the future, when they will find out how they feel for each other, now they are separated. Pressure and hard work stoped, they never have to see each other again. In my opinion it was not fake. It was unconditional love which was so natural for they could not realised it, or never had the courage to take it. We will see what the future will bring into their lifes. We have to live with their choice too. By the way, it would be fairy tale come true if they would find each other again. Not on the rink. Not for a role. Not for work. Not for the crowd but for love to live in real life far away compliance constraint. I hope they find themself free. Best is yet to come!
Scott, you are love poetry... you love Tessa...and you express it in the most beautiful way...with tender. with respect with delicacy, with proud and admiration, with passion and strength..
You are a beautiful young man and gentleman.
I can't understand why you are not about to marriage yet...if you both together express to crowd the most beautiful and pure feelings of love..
What a foundation for a happy, peaceful life together...for ever and ever! All the best...don’t throw this friendship away getting involved with someone else.
so true!!!
As if they could. I imagine it's difficult to date anyone. I mean how could you date one of them without feeling like the "other" woman or man.
Really great marriages begin with really great friendships.
Great video! I love the last part with Scott's statement about opening up the personal side of their life.....
66joydipi It's kind of taken out of context...he wasn't talking about Tessa in that interview...he was talking about them dating in general...like...other people...
Only time will tell............
@@66joydipi And time told indeed
Even if they’re not romantically together, I feel like their love is so precious and special
I don't care anymore if they're not a couple. I just want them to keep on dancing together. Their magic is on ICE, not in real life! To end a glorious partnership after 22 years just like THAT is almost a crime! Torvil & Dean were never a couple, but they continued to dance together for 38 years. Why can't Scott & Tessa?
2 weeks ago Tessa and Scott reunited (she posted a video in her Instagram)
I love sleeping at last and V/M, so this is perfect! :) Thank you for this emotional ride through their career!
I love them both. They're opening the new chapter of their personal life! God bless you tessa and scott.
I'm glad there are many videos of them both together. I didn't see them at this years Olympic skating event or any other event. They are like the hidden diamonds in the mine that were finally found. Now I will have to keep watching romantic skating videos while I recuperate from my broken toe.
They did commentary for the CBC of the Olympics.
It's hard to accept their break, but l guess both are adults n know what they're doing. So best of luck to them n thanks for all the wonderful shows
💜💜
The wY he looks at her with such passion but gets engaged to someone else. I bet his fiance is jealous
Przykre że ich drogi rozeszły się w taki smutny sposób Dla mnie każde ich spojrzenie, uśmiech, gest, mowa ciała były wyrazem ich miłości i uwielbienia dla siebie nawzajem Widząc ich razem widać było szczęście emanujące wokół nich Ale pewne czyny, słowa, zadane rany, wybory nie będą w stanie wprowadzić ich z powrotem na tą samą drogę Nie sądzę żeby po tylu wspaniałych latach mogli być naprawdę szczęśliwi z dala od siebie Nawet nie jako para, ale jako bratnie dusze rozumiejące się bez słów
Życzę im razem i każdemu z osobna powodzenia w dalszym życiu i wszystkiego najlepszego dziękując jednocześnie za wszystkie wspaniałe chwile z ich udziałem
Cudowni ludzie, wspaniali łyżwiarze, najlepsi w znanej mi historii tego sportu Miałam nadzieję że przynajmniej na polu zawodowym zostaną nierozłączni np. jako trenerzy sportowi I to jest moje marzenie Zobaczyć ich znów razem obok siebie Ten uśmiech Tessy wpatrzonej w Scotta i uwielbienie Scotta dla Tessy
Tutto vero lo scritto precedente, sono stati meravigliosi... Hanno fatto sognare.... Non esiste una coppia come loro, erano perfetti. Il loro sguardo incantava.
Erano perfetti, peccato per loro e per noi che non sogneremo più, perché nessuna coppia ci darà questo sogno.
Sometimes, stopping the beginning of a relationship going to the next level is the best choice if you want to stay with that person forever.
Мои самые любимые танцоры на льду. На все времена!. Никто с ними не сравнится. Смотрю их и пересматриваю каждый день!!!
All I’m gonna say is Soulmates. they are soulmates.
I’ve been in tears all evening! You are such a magical, delightful, beautiful couple! Your skating is absolutely beautiful...perfect!! And you are not getting married to each other?? Woe is me! I’ve got to get over this! 😢
It's 25th August 2019, and i am bawling while watching this.
It does not matter what if you come up on the screen I have to watch it even I seen it how many times very time a enjoy watching it thank you for you ♥️
This is the greatest video I’ve ever seen
I feel like there will always be something there but they don’t want to mess it up
Same
Me cuesta creer que entre ellos no haya nada más que amistad y compañerismo por todo lo demás que transmiten...los admiro y me gustan mucho
omg i literally can't get over it I'm crying so hard rn
Professional and respectful....Canadian prince and princess leaving the dream and accepting the reward of hard work and dedication. Sooooo beautiful!
O casal de patinadores mais lindo do mundo
Perfeita sincronia e muito amor eles transmitem para o publico, ela tem cara de princesa a mais linda do mundo ele também é lindo demais
Casal doce é lindo de ver
👏👏👏👏👏
how come i haven't seen this before? i'M ACTUALLY SOBBING RIGHT NOW
This is so beautiful!!! Congrats 👌💕
My heart has broken. It's truly amazing
Does anyone else think Tessa is a bit of a ringer for Kate Middleton?
Madeline Connors omg yes i can see it!!!
Madeline Connors yes or for me the current ms. Universe CATRIONA GRAY
Her nose job made her look a lot more like Kate
I thought that very same thing
Their love goes beyond dating but I feel like perhaps if they retired earlier they probably would have been together but we’ll never know.
Oh my God….their love motions forces me to watch them everyday, every minute…❤
It's okay, I see it is Sleeping At Last - it is beautiful
I hope Scott can also live without tessa every day. I think he love her so much. More than tessa love scott. She trust him every day but she does not live with him toghter...unfortunatly not😔❤
They can sure cook up the sizzle on ice ... eventually maybe we'll know if it's just good acting.
Now you know xD
It’s was just good acting 🎭
Agree very convincing acting both of them
Scoot said to Tessa once: No
Mater what i Love you.
A special rear kind of love scott.& tess.greatest skaters
the whole world realized, they didnt... they belong together ❤️
That was beautiful.
They NEED to get married!,❤ They both LOVE one another you can tell......we need a beautiful love story !🇨🇦
SMITTY they do love each other, but hes already married!
They HAVE a beautiful love story ☺️
No, he's not.
It does not matter if they get married or not. They are far beyond that. It is pure love.
@@naomibrine8341 Who is S married to? He just got engaged last year?
i love thesw two so much ☆
NO not this song 😭💔
"and how rare and beautiful it is to even exist.." this existed once and it was so beautiful damnit, and so rare that they were the most enigmatic pair in FS, bar none.
".... and no matter what I love you.." only them understand that.
Sadly, yes let's get over it.
Really enjoy your videos
When a man says to a woman and the world "she keeps me alive"... there's a relationship. When Scott is ready to do something about it,he will let us all know. They are soulmates.
you have a link where he said that?
@@hockeyfan5509 It's in this video near the end of the clip. "I don't think she realizes that she keeps me alive"- Scott. Take another look.
Yeah. He had this perfect woman who loves him to bits. And he let her go. What an IDIOT!
@@josiepens4480 exactly! 😑
Ah como eu gostaria que esse troca de olhares e sorrisos fosse amor de casal. Seria o casal mais lindo do mundo. Amo vcs. 💛💚🚻🇨🇦
I am from Brazil🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Eu tento me convencer que é só amizade.
If they don't love each other "like that" who tf does...
god my thoughts exactly
Well stop the show because I already predicted that you are for each other! Mark my word!time will bring u back together
Unfortunately time passes and you don't see them TOGETHER as a couple who love each other
Music sooo loud. Cannot hear them speak
i love them
What a beautiful team
This is so beautiful 😍
this is so beautiful! i was just wondering what videos the "so beautiful!" on ice part with tessa at about 1:00 and the part where scott says something and tessa bends over laughing at about 1:06 are from???
Could you please tell me the song and singer? Thanks!
Sleeping at last - Saturn. It's really great
I'm not bawling, you are!
Scott and Tessa look beautiful when they were with each other during their ice dancing partnership. Their attitudes towards each other expressed a lot of spontaneity, joy and affection in their relationship.
Omg I don’t know they not a couple they’re so good together why aren’t you to married ♥️💙
The connection is spiritual that's for sure.
🦢❣️🕊Thanks for telling us. 🧚I still loved the videos 👌❣️🦢
What dance was the part from 1:30 from?
I love this so much❤️❤️❤️
beautiful!
Who else is going to Vancouver on May 17 to see Tessa and Scott in stars on ice
Haedyn Meahan - Edmonton May 13th :)
I wish I was.. all sold out😔
pattycakes96 cool do you live in Edmonton? Also tell how it was because your are going before me!!!! And I am really happy because it is on May 17 which is Tessas birthday
ChyloeReece that's okay I am sure that Tessa and Scott will do another one and it took me three trys to get to see one:)
I went!! And it was everything!
A mi francamente me parece que el amor era fuerte fuerte de ambos , pero no supieron msnejarlo . Scott era impulsivo ... Y se equivocó por exigirle demasiado a ella . El hecho que Scott se desapareció demuestra lo mucho que le afectó, y que fue el que se equivocó mas . Aunque ambos tomaron rumbos distintos .
Como muchas historias de amor , no terminó bien , y creo en el fondo aue nunca se olvidaran.
Beautifully said. I don't know if you have seen their post retirement videos and Scott's interviews since he's been coaching. He does bring up that dark time when she was going through her first surgery and they didn't speak to each other for 2 months. I know he feels deep regret. He's brought it up to one of his teams he coaches as well. Maybe he senses something about that time period. I just feel for both of them on so many levels. Navigating so much. even now post retirement with their respective marriages, career, and not seeing and physically being together like before. I'm sure they still go through things emotionally when it comes to each other and their "soulmate" connection.
iM HALF CRYING BC THEYRE STILL NOT TOGETHER
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE
Que casal encantador
They are so beautiful as a couple! Why they are not a couple?!!!!
I might just die if I can’t marry my soulmate if we were like that
Que triste eles se separarem....
Ontem vi uma entrevista de Scott Moir sozinho me pareceu triste nervoso agora vendo este vídeo é muito estranho saber que ele está noivo Tessa namorando outra pessoa alguma coisa está errada porque me parecem infelizes separados será que estão fazendo um teste se estão é melhor voltarem seria lindo demais espero que aconteça isso ...💕💕💕
Vi uma em que ele disse que Ele a noiva a Tessa e o namorado fizeram uma chamada de vídeo no zoom
to tentando imaginar como foi 😂😂
@@juliab7169 Não vi está entrevista mais deve ter sido muito estranho porque nada ver ele ea noiva eu vi uma em que ele anunciou o noivado muito esquisito...
Nanananana el mejor video que vi sobre ellos
Lovely, thank you.
Awesome children hopefully one day when their work is done🎊
Like Sergei to Katia, Scott is to Tessa, only, Scott lives on to be someone elses husband and father to their daughter, whichever way, Scott and Tessa embody the love we so yearn to see
Ahh I love it!
Leider ist die Musik viel zu laut, man kann sie nicht verstehen. Schade 😏😒
Perfect!!!
Tessaandscoot Ii love u your love wonderful 😍😍😍😘
simbiotic is above love
Indo demais 😢❤
Very,good,very nice,very beautiful,,,,,thank you,,,Tessa,Scott,,,/Anna,Georg/
Probably it was or it is real love❤❤❤
that's it you made me cry
This is soulmate...
Eu tó assim agora...patinando sobre ...o gelo...😇💕
Love them! subtitulos en inglés o español please!
Very good!
Platonic love exists and they are a great example of that.
How, specifically do you know they are not dating? I think they are together, Scott has never gotten married.
Are you sure what you wrote? Scott never married? (I think the same, but!!) It would be wonderful if they were dating because I think they love each other forever it's sad to see a couple like that not being together, I think they'll just be completely happy with each other
Lindos lindos
I'm sorry I couldn't actually hear what was being said. OK so they never dated each-other, would probably have been a bad career move to do so... but watching their love hurts.
Whoever posted this said get over it. I got over it I can’t watch anymore.
NEVER!!! I love them! I have my fantasy! They couldn’t possibly care what I think anyway! 😉
Some couples go on to marry others and later after children are grown get together.