@@paulleach3612 much longer, and not only British. 2005 was the year when Editors, Bloc Party, Interpol and the Bravery became succesful. I saw them all play live during the same edition of one single festival (Lowlands). They all sounded like they’re inspired by Joy Division.
RIP Ian Curtis. A truly unique singer-songwriter taken far to young. If you're reading this remember suicide is never the answer. God bless you RS Family.
Oh pleez he was officially diagnosed with the epilepsy on 23 January the his particular case being described by doctors as so severe, his "life would [be] ruled to obsolescence by his severe epilepsy"without the various strong dosages of medications he was prescribed.
It cannot be overstated how groundbreaking Joy Division was. Henry Rollins said “As far as staggering genius - you will not be able to have that conversation without including Joy Division. You'll be lost without Joy Division. They were that good." The genre is "post punk" so it doesn't sound 0s as it is more a herald of what is to come.
I like Joy Division, but I would NEVER cite Anything Henry Rollins says to assist me in evaluating something. This is a guy who rails against Junkies but Worships Iggy Pop. He has even called Iggy the "King Of Rock & Roll". Right there he has lost All credibility. Henry has No musical talent At All. He can't sing & he can't play an instrument. His lyrics are laughable in their wannabe tough guy pretense. I'll give him credit for this, when he was younger, his charismatic intensity was above average. He's a mediocre performance artist. He really doesn't excel in Any field, & his opinions are hypocritical &/Or ignorant.
@@JohnJohnson-mo4bn obviously he was shitting on addicts the same way Ian MacKaye did because they literally started an anti drug punk movement. I also think Rollins often talks pretty pretentious stuff especially in his older years but saying he is a bad musician is absolutely wrong. My War and Damaged are arguably two of the best hardcore albums of all time. Also how isn’t Iggy one of the kings? Without Iggy there wouldn’t even be Joy Divison as they got inspired by the Sex Pistols and they like most early punk bands got influenced by the Stooges
They WERE very different. This was their biggest commercial success, to give you an idea of how different their sound was. "Disorder" and "Transmission" are also solid.
Not all songs have to be happy. Sometimes dark subjects like the disintegration of a relationship need to be covered. Songs like this can actually make you feel better when you realize other people are going through the same sort of things as you are.
NICE! you took our advice after hearing New Order!11!!!!!1 Joy Division is the band New Order was before they were New Order. Ian's death is kinda the event that eventually gave birth to New Order
For me, what made Joy Division such a powerful and emotionally impactful band was that Ian Curtis totally opened himself up in his songs, both in terms of performance and lyrically. So exposing his inner self. This, I think is what makes Joy Division so brilliant. If you think about it, singers in most bands sing a song from behind the confines of emotionally protective ‘curtain’ that the particular band has chosen to surround themselves with. A sort of emotional defence mechanism. However, Ian operated without a curtain and with his song delivery….laying himself bare, for us to see all his flaws, all his vulnerabilities, put out there for everyone to see. That is what makes Joy Division, so special and an vitally important and influential band. The Music we know from the past 40 years would not exist if Ian Curtis had not been there in 1977 to form Joy Division. RIP Ian Curtis (Died 18th May 1980). RIP also Martin Hannett. The effective ‘5th Member’ of Joy Division. Martin engineered both their album. His recording methods were ground breaking. He is so much apart of what their music sounds like!
Joy Division is a pretty deep dive, and yes, their music is generally very dark. The genre is called Post Punk, and is very different from the "70s sound". The echoey production is typical of producer Martin Hannett, and most Joy Division recordings. Singer Ian Curtis was a deeply troubled person, and took his life soon after recording this. Try reacting to Atmosphere, She's Lost Control, or Transmission.
Great comment about Joy Division and there place in the musical world. I might also comment on the early use of the synthesizer sound in this subgenre.
RIP, Ian Curtis. He had severe epilepsy, depression, and his marriage was unravelling due to an affair he had recently had. He and his band, Joy Division, were about to embark on a tour in the U.S. when he made the decision to take his own life. His lyrics were very dark, but Joy Division was his outlet for airing his inner turmoil. Following his death, the band decided to continue, rebranding themselves as New Order and making guitarist Bernard Summer the lead singer as well. Their club-friendly grooves and their innovative use of electronic sounds cement them as O.G.s of alternative rock, synth pop, EDM, and a few other music genres. Long live New Order and Joy Division, and RIP Ian.
This song was written as an answer to Captain and Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together." The singer/songwriter Ian Curtis was going through trouble in his marriage after having an affair. He's going through depression. The use of synthesizers increased as they evolved into New Order and continued on. This not only led to New Order, as others have mentioned, but influenced lots of other bands that you haven't reacted to much yet. A good example is "Pictures of You" by The Cure.
Though The Cure were pioneers in the genre in their own right, starting out at about the same time, so wouldn't say they were super influenced by Joy Division specifically.
The singer died very young. He had epileptic seizures. He was unique. Love this band. You got to see the movie Control about them. Joy Division is a legendary band and very influential.
Joy Division is like a masterclass in music appreciation. I had a friend who called it "very black licorice". Your understanding of the time and place combined with an ear for the details is required to fully appreciate them. They were influenced by The Doors, The Stooges, Kraftwerk, David Bowie, etc... They were an eclectic band that defined genres In the mid/late 1970s most music was escapist. It was meant to transport you somewhere else. With Joy Division, Ian Curtis was writing poems that dealt with his bi-polar depression, worsening epileptic seizures, and failing marriage. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" was autobiographical and was the antithesis of Captain & Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together". This broke open the floodgates and paved the way for introspective bands of the 1980s, like The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, NIN, etc. Going beyond the lyrics and focusing on the instruments, we see some of the first relatively mainstream use of electronic synthesizers, electronic drum pads, etc. They (and their producer, Martin Hannet) we're influenced by Kraftwerk--a German band that started inventing their own electronic instruments in the late 1960s/early 1970s. All this to say that while the song doesn't sound impressive from 45 years and thousands of miles distance, you are listening to a band that changed music, forever.
Love me some Joy Divison. RIP to Ian Curtis, of course. Peter Hook is one of my favorite rock bassists. Such an incredible band and their influence is still felt to this day. They were doing something entirely different. Unknown Pleasures and Closure are two of the most important albums in the history of modern rock. So many bands were formed because of this sound. Gotta react to Disorder.
This is my era! Loved the 80's New Wave genre. You really need to react to The Smiths - How Soon is Now, This Charming Man, Big Mouth Strikes Again, and so much more.
Two things that were very important to Joy Division's dark sound. First, Ian Curtis was a baritone, not a tenor like most lead singers. Second, the band's bassist Peter Hook often played the melody with bass, instead of rhythm. They were so influential in their short time, that any subsequent band that came along with a baritone singer was immediately compared to Joy Division; bands like Interpol and the Editors.
Joy Division became New Order after Ian died. Their stuff is much more edgy and dark, and there is so little recorded that bootlegs of the live performances become an important part of the material available. I love a lot of their stuff, but it's hard to recommend much because they are so personal. "Ceremony" is a song recorded by both JD and NO, I like the New Order version better, but it's an interesting comparison. "Warsaw" and "New Dawn Fades" are my favourite tracks, the first for punk energy and cool sound and the second for eerie and hypnotic lyrics and groove.
It's not a happy pop song, but an alt-rock classic nonetheless. Yes, it's all about love and hurting. If you're going to do more Joy Division, and I hope you do, please PLEASE watch the official versions, not those crappy (and often inaccurate) lyrics versions. "Transmission" is a must.
Agreed. Understanding that blocking is a risk, watching Ian Curtis live is an experience unto itself. His depression, epilepsy, and discontent with 1970s Manchester England all get played out in his painful screams and wild movements.
Released in 1980, but that's not why this isn't a "70s" sound. It's a sound pointed to the future. A music track that truly demarcates what came before from what would follow.
This is a great song. I first discovered them through reading James O'Barr's "The Crow" back in the '90s because he quotes some of their lyrics in the comics. Great sound, well worth listening. Hope you explore more of Joy Division.
Joy Division is a hard pill to swallow - and I'm so glad I did - been a fan of this band since 1978,and admittedly,Ian Curtis monotonal vocals can be jarring - but if you delve deeper into his lyrics - his voice totally makes sense. But if you want to discover Joy Division a bit more,then perhaps "Atmosphere" is your best choice (that song and "Love Will Tear Us Apart" were both no.1 singles here in New Zealand in 1981). Another ice cold beauty from Joy Division would be "New Dawn Fades" - it's a classic sound from the post punk movement of the late 70s early 80s.
You actually listened to what became of Joy Division when you guys listened to New Order. I honestly don’t know which I like better; they’re such different aesthetics.
You reacted to the same band (by a different name) just a few days ago. They began as Joy Division, and became New Order... so their sound progressed post punk era and yeah, they are one and the same. Any of their music takes me back to my youth, dancing with fellow weirdos in goth night clubs... those were the days. They were kinda iconic for the alternative 80s and 90s youths.
Def 80s. I remember this song from the early 80s maybe. I love the vibe. It reminds me of The Smiths and a few other groups I can't think of off the top fo my head. I was heavily into this type of music early 80s. More on the punk/new wave than pop 80s. I got into the hair bands to an extent towards the end of the 80s, but was mostly a rocker at that point. Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Yes, Grateful Dead, Jeff Airplane.
It's goth rock / techo punk. It was a transitional stage where the sound / style of the genre was developing. Another similar group from this phase is Bauhaus. Not the best sounding music (acoustically, not artistically) from those groups, but without them we wouldn't have New Order, Love & Rockets (plus Peter Murphy & Daniel Ash solo works), The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and many other 80's goth / rock / techno bands.
I don't like to get bogged down in pigeon holing music into genres but Joy Divison has been considered post punk for a long time I've never ever heard them labelled as goth rock or techno punk before I dont think that really gives an accurate description of what they were. New Order definitely delved more into that techno side though I guess
Giants of the post-punk/new wave era! Hugely original and influential. Ian Curtis was a dark, tragic case, but a great lyricist. Try Ceremony, Dead Souls, Transmission, Isolation
This was a completely new sound for the 80s -- very influential for the early 90s. Another great, similar song is "I Wanna Be Adored," by the Stone Roses.
Oh man, I needed to hear this song today, and even better that it was a reaction from my favourite pair. This is one case though, where I wish you'd known some of the background on this before listening. If you'd realized that your reaction to Blue Monday the other day, and this song today, were so closely linked, I think your amazement would have been profound.
it’s like the fusing of the sort of angular, jarring 70’s rock with disco, which imo gives you new wave (both by influence and literally as the remaining band members went on to form the seminal new wave band new order). As such joy division is definitely a fulcrum band.
OMG..... this band is just so amazing and mean so much to me. Happy to see you doing this tune, even if you're a little perplexed by their sound. It IS different than what you may be used to, and it takes time and sometimes the right frame of mind to really get it.
As a Salford lad, Joy Division were a big part of my growing up in the 70's . They were massively underrated at the time and their music seemed to become more popular after the untimely death of Ian Curtis. New Order spun off the remaining elements of Joy Division.
Joy Division is one of the most beautiful & powerful bands in music history 🖤 MANY great songs. Like the Velvet Underground before them, their influence and (again) beauty and pure artistic expression they placed into rock music has boundless influence. Peter Hook & the Light is touring RIGHT NOW. You will NOT be disappointed!
I remember when Joy Division came out , I had spent years as an undiagnosed person who struggled with bipolar disorder. Ian's struggle and eventual suicide helped me to look into that whole world of depression. He and the band will always be in my heart. When they came back together as New Order it cemented the idea of not giving in but to keep going. It didn't hurt that one of my roommates loved Blue Monday and played it constantly, ha. I love music because it can take me on trips. It can stir my emotions. It can lift or drag me down. It can take me back to a time and place. It is the sound track of my life.
This song gets me every time - it takes me back to the early 80's post-punk era where Joy Division was a unique band which highly influenced later bands
Yes this was the future of music being recorded in the 70’s, literally legends ahead of their time. Changed music history. After Ian Curtis died the remaining members formed New Order.
I was first introduced to Joy Division through my parents, they are by far and away my favourite band. The fact they were only in existence for 3 years yet still have a far reaching influence speaks volumes. Ian remains one of the darkest but greatest lyricists of all time. I recommend the film Control, its a biopic of him based on his wife's book and shows how his Epilepsy affected his concerts. Iconic band
This was supposed to be what New Wave Music was supposed to sound like! The band formed in Manchester England in 1976 under the band name Warsaw which was a punk band they weren't getting much play until they went to the Music Factory in London where they had already changed their name to Joy Division from Aldo's huxley's book Joy Division just like the doors got their name to Aldo's huxley's books door to the perception of your mind! There was already a popular punk band in Manchester at the time by the name of the Buzzcocks and when Joy Division blew up on the scene they often traveled and toured with the Buzzcocks!
I remember seeing Joy Division as support band to The Buzzcocks at the Liverpool Polytechnic, everyone went to see Joy Division and treated them as the main act.
THE most influential band of the eighties forward, they only recorded two studio albums , but what a legacy. Try she’s lost control, transmission, and dead souls, you’ll be amazed how far ahead of the curve Joy Division were. After the singer’s suicide, the band became New Order, another influential group
I'll always have a soft spot for Joy Division. You definitely need to react to a few songs on their debut masterpiece album 'Unknown Pleasures'. Songs like "Disorder" and "Shadowplay" are perfect to begin with. The entire album itself is fantastic; it truly is a one of a kind album.
Glad you opened this door. Joy Division, sadly, only released two albums in the late 70s, disbanding when lead singer committed suicide. Two of the other members, vocalist Bernard Sumner and bassist Peter Hook, then formed New Order, the band behind "Blue Monday". Joy Division only had a handful of singles - this one being the biggest - but if you want to check more out, listen to "Transmission", "Atmosphere", and "She's Lost Control".
The drummer, Stephen Morris, also transitioned to New Order. In fact, the female keyboard player that was added was Stephen's girlfriend, Gillian Gilbert.
I don't know why this song stays with and resonates with so many people, so long after release. It resonates with so many people on a such an emotional level. it just....does. I've never been able to figure out why. Perhaps because theres a weird aura around it encompassed around the suicide of the lead singer that this band feels....unfinished. maybe. its dark, dreamy, upbeat, uplifting, hopeful yet meloncholic and hopeless all at the same time. few tracks have achieved this.
Shout out to the girls playing! Didn't you guys cover Blue Monday by New Order recently? Or am I thinking of someone else. At any rate, as others have said, this is late 70s British post-punk, and there was an emphasis on getting away from showcasing technical virtuosity and just capturing the ethos, pathos and Zeitgeist if you will of that emerging scene, to pull out a few fancy words. And then their enigmatic and charismatic frontman Ian Curtis killed himself. Shortly thereafter, they added another keyboard player and carried on as New Order and it almost sounds like a completely different band in some ways, it was so early 80's techno! And they blew up. They influenced so many acts to follow But Joy Division is beloved by many. To get the feeling for the jarring change, listen to Joy Division She's Lost Control Again and then listen to New Order Blue Monday. Wow.
For me, it's the juxtaposition of Ian's haunting, somber voice and dark lyricism against the driving, almost major key, beat that ALWAYS pulls me into this song.
Hi guys, still loving the reactions. Ya'll are finding artists that I never heard of. I love listening to new music and finding an artist or band that you just fall in love with. Ok, since it is now Friday I think you should finally show Tatiana some love and react to another Jinjer song. It's been a reeeeally long time since you did "Pisces" which doesn't even scratch the surface of how fantastic this band is. I would love for you to see "Teacher Teacher" but while it is my favorite Jinjer song, it's kind of heavy. For Female Friday I would suggest "Wallflower". I predict that Amber will love it and it is all about Tatiana !
Yes, Joy Division - welcome to the Post Punk era! One thing about Ian Curtis (RIP) is that he had epilepsy and as some said, he was deeply troubled. Between the seizures, death haunting him, and a failed marriage, he committed suicide at the age of 23. The rest of the band decided they wouldn't carry on as Joy Division, and changed the groups name to New Order. BTW, there was a movie made about him, called "Control." I think you can find it here on YT. a friend of mine is an extra in the film.
Apart from the haunting vocals of Ian Curtis, this is basically a one-hook number... but what a hook (and I don't mean Hooky, the bassist)! The chorus melody will become an earworm before you know it.
Without Joy Division, you wouldn’t have the indie rock scene at all. No Interpol, no White Lies, none of it. One of the most influential short-run bands ever. Like Nirvana, ended too soon. This band ended literally the DAY BEFORE they were to embark on a mammoth tour of the United States. This band, more than most of the era or even into the 80’s, SANG THEIR PAIN. Ian wrote what he saw and felt. She’s Lost Control… a song written after he witnessed an epileptic seizure. The height of irony, as he would come to suffer from the same thing. Definitely skews to the darker side (look up the band name, it’s pretty doggone dark) Didn’t mean to history lesson you to death! But I love that you covered them. Please. Keep up the great videos! mje, aka-Outsource
You are right Matthew- I was working at an art supply store in Chicago, and my co-workers couldn't stop talking about JD and that Ian took his own life.
@@tommyholt2605 Slow learners, then. VU was pretty much over by 1973, whatever Yule says. VU was more punk without the manic energy than classic indie.
It's hard to believe that almost the same group of people were so influential in pointing music in two different directions. Joy Division is the foundation of modern gothic post-punk, New Order is the foundation of modern electronica/EDM/synth music. If you want more Joy Division I recommend 'Transmission'
The start of the Manchester sound and the great bands that came with it. You really need to watch Ian perform. The Smiths, happy Mondays, Stone roses Wow! The best sound in the world
See the incredible drumming of Carl Palmer in rare live video from the (Calif. Jam 1974 in Karn Evil 9 pt. 2) Remastered by RudenkoArt. The following is copied and pasted from the internet --” Push play on any Emerson Lake and Palmer album and you'll immediately understand why Carl Palmer was ranked in the Top 10 of Rolling Stone Magazine's 100 Best Drummers of All Time. He's a technical monster whose precision, showmanship, and musicality are unmistakable and inimitable. Along the way his dazzling speed and mastery of the drums, combined with his infectious stage personality, have secured for him a respected place in history. Carl Palmer brings agility and speed that Neil Peart tries to bring but chokes with the indepth approach of a drum solo.”
Ian Curtis’ monotone is signature to Joy Division. It is robotic, hypnotic, and ironic. Ironic in the sense that the lack of emotion plays against the passion of the emotions behind the lyrics. When Ian would launch into a higher energy mode he’d often have a controlled seizure when dancing because he was staving off a full on epileptic fit. He threw himself totally into his songs.
More JD, please! Great band, very much ahead of their time when they were around, they really were the bleeding edge of the alternative rock scene before it even really existed at the tail end of the 70s into the last days of the Punk scene in the early 80s and beyond. Atmosphere is THE BEST SONG they ever recorded, but they did SO MANY other great ones besides. Transmission, She's Lost Control, Shadowplay, Ceremony, Isolation, Dead Souls, Disorder ... all masterpieces, and still as potent today as when they were first released.
Joy Division is one of those bands that made me feel not so alone in my young adult depression. While “Love Will Tear Us Apart” is their most famous song, there are others of theirs that hit even harder. I would recommend “Digital,” “Atmosphere,” and “She’s Lost Control.”
So if you can believe Joy Division changed their name after their lead singer died and became New Order (Blue Monday) and Bernard Sumner became their lead singer instead. They changed their sound and progressed to New Wave/Synthpop dance.
JD produced 2 albums Unknown Pleasures Closer. Then in June '80 Ian Curtis committed suicide. 23. It's like 2 years are frozen in time. I was 15 when he died. I just had heard this single the year before and heard they were coming to North America for their first U.S. tour, not to be. This is 1000 years music. It's timeless.
Joy Division is one of the most influential bands of all time. You would be shocked to discover how many artists cite them as an influence. If there had never been a Joy Division there would have never been a New Order. RIP Ian Curtis forever and always. ❤️
Joy Division was early gloom rock- their lead singer died by suicide. After that they developed into New Order- more techno dance but still a little gloom rock.
This post punk bank is considered the godfather of the 1980's indie scene with its dark commentaries. Even the origin of the bands name comes from a dark place (basically Jewish female prisoners kept by Nazi's as enforced prostitutes). Ian Curtis who suffered from seizures (including on stage) was considered an absolute genius before he hung himself the day before embarking on their debut US tour.
Context is king. The tragic story around this song changes everything. Joy Division sounded like nothing else around at that time, and "doom laden" has never had a more appropriate use when describing the late Ian Curtis's vocals, unfortunately. Bear in mind that 75% of the band that gave you this song then gave you Blue Monday 4 years later, as they changed their name from Joy Division to New Order after Ian Curtis's suicide.
Probably one of the most influential bands ever, so many artists that came after them were highly influenced by Joy Division and their sound. Kinda like David Bowie. And believe it or not, this is the same band as New Order. After JD's singer Ian Curtis committed suicide their guitarist Bernard Sumner became the singer and they turned from a post-punk band into a synthpop act and yet another highly influential one. I think you already reacted to 'Blue Monday', same guys !
You should check out The Smiths, “Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now”. Morrissey sings in the band and ventured out as a solo artist. Great stuff there too.
Joy Division became New Order, after leaad singer Ian Curtis passed away. Band member of Joy Division Bernard Summer then took over lead vocals. The band members decided to change the name from Joy Division to New Order, who's hit Blue Monday you reacted too.
CANNOT Overstate how Influential and Groundbreaking Joy Division was AND is to SO many bands. It is immeasurable
Yup, the British music scene cited it for almost 2 decades.
@@paulleach3612 much longer, and not only British.
2005 was the year when Editors, Bloc Party, Interpol and the Bravery became succesful. I saw them all play live during the same edition of one single festival (Lowlands). They all sounded like they’re inspired by Joy Division.
100%
RIP Ian Curtis. A truly unique singer-songwriter taken far to young. If you're reading this remember suicide is never the answer. God bless you RS Family.
Very well said ,god bless you right back ✝️
True story. Thanx
Oh pleez he was officially diagnosed with the epilepsy on 23 January the his particular case being described by doctors as so severe, his "life would [be] ruled to obsolescence by his severe epilepsy"without the various strong dosages of medications he was prescribed.
@@hays9008 So because he had epilepsy his suicide doesn't count ,is that what you are saying? Im not being rude i just want to understand your comment
@@hays9008 What does that have got to do with what the OP said?
After the lead singer Ian Curtis died Joy Division went on to become New Order who you just reacted to
oh I didn't know that great info
@@captjeter2 Their debut single Blue Monday was just a huge song.
No this is Joy D
it is Ian Curtis singing !
this is my first time hearing Joy division. 1 there is a lack of joy in joy division 2 if i sang like that i would kill myself too
It cannot be overstated how groundbreaking Joy Division was. Henry Rollins said “As far as staggering genius - you will not be able to have that conversation without including Joy Division. You'll be lost without Joy Division. They were that good." The genre is "post punk" so it doesn't sound 0s as it is more a herald of what is to come.
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I like Joy Division, but I would NEVER cite Anything Henry Rollins says to assist me in evaluating something. This is a guy who rails against Junkies but Worships Iggy Pop. He has even called Iggy the "King Of Rock & Roll". Right there he has lost All credibility. Henry has No musical talent At All. He can't sing & he can't play an instrument. His lyrics are laughable in their wannabe tough guy pretense. I'll give him credit for this, when he was younger, his charismatic intensity was above average. He's a mediocre performance artist. He really doesn't excel in Any field, & his opinions are hypocritical &/Or ignorant.
@@JohnJohnson-mo4bn obviously he was shitting on addicts the same way Ian MacKaye did because they literally started an anti drug punk movement. I also think Rollins often talks pretty pretentious stuff especially in his older years but saying he is a bad musician is absolutely wrong. My War and Damaged are arguably two of the best hardcore albums of all time. Also how isn’t Iggy one of the kings? Without Iggy there wouldn’t even be Joy Divison as they got inspired by the Sex Pistols and they like most early punk bands got influenced by the Stooges
Rollins also said he trusted Fauci was looking out for him. He's an idiot.
They WERE very different. This was their biggest commercial success, to give you an idea of how different their sound was. "Disorder" and "Transmission" are also solid.
Disorder is my fav, also like Transmission but anything off Fact 10 is great including the cover.
Yeah, there's definitely a reason they never had a hit. Very odd band. When they evolved into New Order, they were much better.
transmission is a jam
Not all songs have to be happy. Sometimes dark subjects like the disintegration of a relationship need to be covered. Songs like this can actually make you feel better when you realize other people are going through the same sort of things as you are.
NICE! you took our advice after hearing New Order!11!!!!!1 Joy Division is the band New Order was before they were New Order. Ian's death is kinda the event that eventually gave birth to New Order
Welcome to the early '80s world of post-punk. This song is an iconic example of that genre.
This song did not come out in the 1980s…
@@terrybueneman9269 it was released as a non-album single in 1980, according to Wikipedia.
@@BradReddekopp Spot on,peaking at 13 i think here in Britian ,after Ian had died.
@@terrybueneman9269 No, but it heavily influenced that coming decade's music scene (and 90's Britpop to a lesser degree.)
For me, what made Joy Division such a powerful and emotionally impactful band was that Ian Curtis totally opened himself up in his songs, both in terms of performance and lyrically. So exposing his inner self. This, I think is what makes Joy Division so brilliant. If you think about it, singers in most bands sing a song from behind the confines of emotionally protective ‘curtain’ that the particular band has chosen to surround themselves with. A sort of emotional defence mechanism. However, Ian operated without a curtain and with his song delivery….laying himself bare, for us to see all his flaws, all his vulnerabilities, put out there for everyone to see. That is what makes Joy Division, so special and an vitally important and influential band. The Music we know from the past 40 years would not exist if Ian Curtis had not been there in 1977 to form Joy Division. RIP Ian Curtis (Died 18th May 1980). RIP also Martin Hannett. The effective ‘5th Member’ of Joy Division. Martin engineered both their album. His recording methods were ground breaking. He is so much apart of what their music sounds like!
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Joy Division is a pretty deep dive, and yes, their music is generally very dark. The genre is called Post Punk, and is very different from the "70s sound". The echoey production is typical of producer Martin Hannett, and most Joy Division recordings. Singer Ian Curtis was a deeply troubled person, and took his life soon after recording this. Try reacting to Atmosphere, She's Lost Control, or Transmission.
Couldn't have put it better! Well done. :)
@x What?
@x Well, they recorded 53 songs, so a little bit more than two records.
Beautifully said gotham61! Atmosphere is my favorite Joy Division song. Cool to get New Order and Joy Division on this channel in the same week.
Great comment about Joy Division and there place in the musical world. I might also comment on the early use of the synthesizer sound in this subgenre.
RIP, Ian Curtis. He had severe epilepsy, depression, and his marriage was unravelling due to an affair he had recently had. He and his band, Joy Division, were about to embark on a tour in the U.S. when he made the decision to take his own life. His lyrics were very dark, but Joy Division was his outlet for airing his inner turmoil. Following his death, the band decided to continue, rebranding themselves as New Order and making guitarist Bernard Summer the lead singer as well. Their club-friendly grooves and their innovative use of electronic sounds cement them as O.G.s of alternative rock, synth pop, EDM, and a few other music genres. Long live New Order and Joy Division, and RIP Ian.
This song was written as an answer to Captain and Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together." The singer/songwriter Ian Curtis was going through trouble in his marriage after having an affair. He's going through depression. The use of synthesizers increased as they evolved into New Order and continued on. This not only led to New Order, as others have mentioned, but influenced lots of other bands that you haven't reacted to much yet. A good example is "Pictures of You" by The Cure.
One of my favorite Cure songs. ❤
The Cure's entire Disintegration album for that matter. I also like The Cure's live performances of Joy Division songs like Shadowplay.
Though The Cure were pioneers in the genre in their own right, starting out at about the same time, so wouldn't say they were super influenced by Joy Division specifically.
The Clash 77-79 Rudie can't fail, garageland, Julie's been working for the drug squad, I fought the law, London calling...there's a worthy deep dive
The singer died very young. He had epileptic seizures. He was unique. Love this band. You got to see the movie Control about them. Joy Division is a legendary band and very influential.
I didn't know that. Did he die of SUDEP?
@@jasmirrisno, he committed suicide
Such a good film.
Joy Division/New Order are some of my favorite bands of all time. RIP Ian Curtis
Don't forget Warsaw
Joy Division formed in 1970s but had a huge influence on 80s music. Pioneers.
Joy Division is like a masterclass in music appreciation. I had a friend who called it "very black licorice". Your understanding of the time and place combined with an ear for the details is required to fully appreciate them.
They were influenced by The Doors, The Stooges, Kraftwerk, David Bowie, etc... They were an eclectic band that defined genres
In the mid/late 1970s most music was escapist. It was meant to transport you somewhere else. With Joy Division, Ian Curtis was writing poems that dealt with his bi-polar depression, worsening epileptic seizures, and failing marriage. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" was autobiographical and was the antithesis of Captain & Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together". This broke open the floodgates and paved the way for introspective bands of the 1980s, like The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, NIN, etc.
Going beyond the lyrics and focusing on the instruments, we see some of the first relatively mainstream use of electronic synthesizers, electronic drum pads, etc. They (and their producer, Martin Hannet) we're influenced by Kraftwerk--a German band that started inventing their own electronic instruments in the late 1960s/early 1970s.
All this to say that while the song doesn't sound impressive from 45 years and thousands of miles distance, you are listening to a band that changed music, forever.
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Kraftwerk was like THE Band for electronic music... they arevstill performing in Germany quite often
One of the most innovative and influential tracks and bands of all time. There was nothing that sounded like it at the time.
Love me some Joy Divison. RIP to Ian Curtis, of course. Peter Hook is one of my favorite rock bassists. Such an incredible band and their influence is still felt to this day. They were doing something entirely different. Unknown Pleasures and Closure are two of the most important albums in the history of modern rock. So many bands were formed because of this sound.
Gotta react to Disorder.
Niiice…you can’t go wrong with Joy Division/New Order!!! Thank you!
This is my era! Loved the 80's New Wave genre. You really need to react to The Smiths - How Soon is Now, This Charming Man, Big Mouth Strikes Again, and so much more.
Oh yes, how soon is now!!!
Never watched a Smiths reaction, but definitely going to search it now.
Two things that were very important to Joy Division's dark sound. First, Ian Curtis was a baritone, not a tenor like most lead singers. Second, the band's bassist Peter Hook often played the melody with bass, instead of rhythm. They were so influential in their short time, that any subsequent band that came along with a baritone singer was immediately compared to Joy Division; bands like Interpol and the Editors.
Understand, this sound is extremely significant, this was in the 70’s, way ahead of it’s time
Joy Division became New Order after Ian died. Their stuff is much more edgy and dark, and there is so little recorded that bootlegs of the live performances become an important part of the material available. I love a lot of their stuff, but it's hard to recommend much because they are so personal.
"Ceremony" is a song recorded by both JD and NO, I like the New Order version better, but it's an interesting comparison.
"Warsaw" and "New Dawn Fades" are my favourite tracks, the first for punk energy and cool sound and the second for eerie and hypnotic lyrics and groove.
It's not a happy pop song, but an alt-rock classic nonetheless. Yes, it's all about love and hurting. If you're going to do more Joy Division, and I hope you do, please PLEASE watch the official versions, not those crappy (and often inaccurate) lyrics versions. "Transmission" is a must.
I think they have to worry about getting blocked, so the non-official versions work better for that.
Agreed. Understanding that blocking is a risk, watching Ian Curtis live is an experience unto itself. His depression, epilepsy, and discontent with 1970s Manchester England all get played out in his painful screams and wild movements.
Atmosphere. Simply amazing.
Released in 1980, but that's not why this isn't a "70s" sound. It's a sound pointed to the future. A music track that truly demarcates what came before from what would follow.
This is a great song. I first discovered them through reading James O'Barr's "The Crow" back in the '90s because he quotes some of their lyrics in the comics. Great sound, well worth listening. Hope you explore more of Joy Division.
The movie also has a great cover of their song Dead Souls by Nine Inch Nails.
@@radicaladz Yep. I still have the CD I got when the movie came out. Though my favorite song on that album is "Burn" by The Cure.
There’s an adorable Joy Division “Disorder” appropriation in an Addams Family UA-cam daughter dance. The music pairs perfectly with her gyrations.
Joy Division is a hard pill to swallow - and I'm so glad I did - been a fan of this band since 1978,and admittedly,Ian Curtis monotonal vocals can be jarring - but if you delve deeper into his lyrics - his voice totally makes sense. But if you want to discover Joy Division a bit more,then perhaps "Atmosphere" is your best choice (that song and "Love Will Tear Us Apart" were both no.1 singles here in New Zealand in 1981). Another ice cold beauty from Joy Division would be "New Dawn Fades" - it's a classic sound from the post punk movement of the late 70s early 80s.
You actually listened to what became of Joy Division when you guys listened to New Order. I honestly don’t know which I like better; they’re such different aesthetics.
“Ceremony”. Best of both.
You reacted to the same band (by a different name) just a few days ago. They began as Joy Division, and became New Order... so their sound progressed post punk era and yeah, they are one and the same.
Any of their music takes me back to my youth, dancing with fellow weirdos in goth night clubs... those were the days. They were kinda iconic for the alternative 80s and 90s youths.
Def 80s. I remember this song from the early 80s maybe. I love the vibe. It reminds me of The Smiths and a few other groups I can't think of off the top fo my head. I was heavily into this type of music early 80s. More on the punk/new wave than pop 80s. I got into the hair bands to an extent towards the end of the 80s, but was mostly a rocker at that point. Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Yes, Grateful Dead, Jeff Airplane.
It's goth rock / techo punk. It was a transitional stage where the sound / style of the genre was developing. Another similar group from this phase is Bauhaus.
Not the best sounding music (acoustically, not artistically) from those groups, but without them we wouldn't have New Order, Love & Rockets (plus Peter Murphy & Daniel Ash solo works), The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and many other 80's goth / rock / techno bands.
I don't like to get bogged down in pigeon holing music into genres but Joy Divison has been considered post punk for a long time I've never ever heard them labelled as goth rock or techno punk before I dont think that really gives an accurate description of what they were. New Order definitely delved more into that techno side though I guess
Bauhaus is a much better example. And a better band.
"Disorder" and "transmission" are great songs for getting into Joy Division. 🎶 🔥
It's a beautiful melancholy
One of my all time hits
Giants of the post-punk/new wave era! Hugely original and influential. Ian Curtis was a dark, tragic case, but a great lyricist. Try Ceremony, Dead Souls, Transmission, Isolation
This was a completely new sound for the 80s -- very influential for the early 90s. Another great, similar song is "I Wanna Be Adored," by the Stone Roses.
I second the Stone Roses “I Wanna Be Adored” …gives me feels that I cannot put into words
They became new order after Ian Curtis’s death. One of the most influential bands of the 80s.
Oh man, I needed to hear this song today, and even better that it was a reaction from my favourite pair. This is one case though, where I wish you'd known some of the background on this before listening. If you'd realized that your reaction to Blue Monday the other day, and this song today, were so closely linked, I think your amazement would have been profound.
Wow! Never thought I would hear you guys react to this, but happy you did. RIP Mr. Ian Curtis.
This entire album is amazing and Joy Division is the most influential post punk band by far
it’s like the fusing of the sort of angular, jarring 70’s rock with disco, which imo gives you new wave (both by influence and literally as the remaining band members went on to form the seminal new wave band new order). As such joy division is definitely a fulcrum band.
Joy Division were among pioneers of post punk gothic, they renamed to New Order after singer Ian Curtis passed,
OMG..... this band is just so amazing and mean so much to me. Happy to see you doing this tune, even if you're a little perplexed by their sound. It IS different than what you may be used to, and it takes time and sometimes the right frame of mind to really get it.
As a Salford lad, Joy Division were a big part of my growing up in the 70's . They were massively underrated at the time and their music seemed to become more popular after the untimely death of Ian Curtis. New Order spun off the remaining elements of Joy Division.
They weren't underrated by some of us, Steve ... not by a long chalk.
Joy Division is one of the most beautiful & powerful bands in music history 🖤
MANY great songs. Like the Velvet Underground before them, their influence and (again) beauty and pure artistic expression they placed into rock music has boundless influence. Peter Hook & the Light is touring RIGHT NOW. You will NOT be disappointed!
I remember when Joy Division came out , I had spent years as an undiagnosed person who struggled with bipolar disorder. Ian's struggle and eventual suicide helped me to look into that whole world of depression. He and the band will always be in my heart. When they came back together as New Order it cemented the idea of not giving in but to keep going. It didn't hurt that one of my roommates loved Blue Monday and played it constantly, ha. I love music because it can take me on trips. It can stir my emotions. It can lift or drag me down. It can take me back to a time and place. It is the sound track of my life.
This is new wave music from the 80’s. It was released in 1980. There are an enormous amount of new wave bands from then and they are all Awesome.
Created in the 70's
Released in the 80's....
Because of obvious reasons
Joy Division is the beginning of all new wave and alternative music
This song gets me every time - it takes me back to the early 80's post-punk era where Joy Division was a unique band which highly influenced later bands
I adore this song.
Joy Division - Atmosphere
Yes this was the future of music being recorded in the 70’s, literally legends ahead of their time. Changed music history. After Ian Curtis died the remaining members formed New Order.
I was first introduced to Joy Division through my parents, they are by far and away my favourite band. The fact they were only in existence for 3 years yet still have a far reaching influence speaks volumes. Ian remains one of the darkest but greatest lyricists of all time.
I recommend the film Control, its a biopic of him based on his wife's book and shows how his Epilepsy affected his concerts. Iconic band
This was supposed to be what New Wave Music was supposed to sound like! The band formed in Manchester England in 1976 under the band name Warsaw which was a punk band they weren't getting much play until they went to the Music Factory in London where they had already changed their name to Joy Division from Aldo's huxley's book Joy Division just like the doors got their name to Aldo's huxley's books door to the perception of your mind! There was already a popular punk band in Manchester at the time by the name of the Buzzcocks and when Joy Division blew up on the scene they often traveled and toured with the Buzzcocks!
Joy Division influence countless bands and brought about the new sounds of the 80's and beyond
I remember seeing Joy Division as support band to The Buzzcocks at the Liverpool Polytechnic, everyone went to see Joy Division and treated them as the main act.
THE most influential band of the eighties forward, they only recorded two studio albums , but what a legacy. Try she’s lost control, transmission, and dead souls, you’ll be amazed how far ahead of the curve Joy Division were. After the singer’s suicide, the band became New Order, another influential group
I'll always have a soft spot for Joy Division. You definitely need to react to a few songs on their debut masterpiece album 'Unknown Pleasures'. Songs like "Disorder" and "Shadowplay" are perfect to begin with. The entire album itself is fantastic; it truly is a one of a kind album.
You can almost hear the birth of synth & new wave...it's a goth new wave classic
You did New Order a few days ago... Joy Division became New Order after lead singer Ian Curtis died. They replaced him with Gillian Gilbert.
Glad you opened this door. Joy Division, sadly, only released two albums in the late 70s, disbanding when lead singer committed suicide. Two of the other members, vocalist Bernard Sumner and bassist Peter Hook, then formed New Order, the band behind "Blue Monday". Joy Division only had a handful of singles - this one being the biggest - but if you want to check more out, listen to "Transmission", "Atmosphere", and "She's Lost Control".
The drummer, Stephen Morris, also transitioned to New Order. In fact, the female keyboard player that was added was Stephen's girlfriend, Gillian Gilbert.
@@comicreviews And then, later on, Stephen and Gillian formed The Other Two.
You're hearing some legendary piece here... RESPECT....RIP Ian Curtis
Great band. They were in the post-punk and new wave from the time the late 70s up to the mid-80s.
One of the best opening riffs in rock history...Ian Curtis, rip mate
I don't know why this song stays with and resonates with so many people, so long after release. It resonates with so many people on a such an emotional level. it just....does. I've never been able to figure out why.
Perhaps because theres a weird aura around it encompassed around the suicide of the lead singer that this band feels....unfinished. maybe. its dark, dreamy, upbeat, uplifting, hopeful yet meloncholic and hopeless all at the same time. few tracks have achieved this.
And three years later, 3 members of this band created the iconic Blue Monday by New Order.
quintessential 80s song.. back ground music in any 80s themed movie.. my high school memories..I still have the cassette
Shout out to the girls playing! Didn't you guys cover Blue Monday by New Order recently? Or am I thinking of someone else. At any rate, as others have said, this is late 70s British post-punk, and there was an emphasis on getting away from showcasing technical virtuosity and just capturing the ethos, pathos and Zeitgeist if you will of that emerging scene, to pull out a few fancy words. And then their enigmatic and charismatic frontman Ian Curtis killed himself. Shortly thereafter, they added another keyboard player and carried on as New Order and it almost sounds like a completely different band in some ways, it was so early 80's techno! And they blew up. They influenced so many acts to follow But Joy Division is beloved by many. To get the feeling for the jarring change, listen to Joy Division She's Lost Control Again and then listen to New Order Blue Monday. Wow.
For me, it's the juxtaposition of Ian's haunting, somber voice and dark lyricism against the driving, almost major key, beat that ALWAYS pulls me into this song.
Hi guys, still loving the reactions. Ya'll are finding artists that I never heard of. I love listening to new music and finding an artist or band that you just fall in love with. Ok, since it is now Friday I think you should finally show Tatiana some love and react to another Jinjer song. It's been a reeeeally long time since you did "Pisces" which doesn't even scratch the surface of how fantastic this band is. I would love for you to see "Teacher Teacher" but while it is my favorite Jinjer song, it's kind of heavy. For Female Friday I would suggest "Wallflower". I predict that Amber will love it and it is all about Tatiana !
Yes, Joy Division - welcome to the Post Punk era! One thing about Ian Curtis (RIP) is that he had epilepsy and as some said, he was deeply troubled. Between the seizures, death haunting him, and a failed marriage, he committed suicide at the age of 23. The rest of the band decided they wouldn't carry on as Joy Division, and changed the groups name to New Order.
BTW, there was a movie made about him, called "Control." I think you can find it here on YT. a friend of mine is an extra in the film.
"NEW WAVE"80s i personally love this song it sounds otherwordly but the lyrics are so soo deep. ; )
Apart from the haunting vocals of Ian Curtis, this is basically a one-hook number... but what a hook (and I don't mean Hooky, the bassist)! The chorus melody will become an earworm before you know it.
Without Joy Division, you wouldn’t have the indie rock scene at all. No Interpol, no White Lies, none of it. One of the most influential short-run bands ever. Like Nirvana, ended too soon. This band ended literally the DAY BEFORE they were to embark on a mammoth tour of the United States. This band, more than most of the era or even into the 80’s, SANG THEIR PAIN. Ian wrote what he saw and felt. She’s Lost Control… a song written after he witnessed an epileptic seizure. The height of irony, as he would come to suffer from the same thing. Definitely skews to the darker side (look up the band name, it’s pretty doggone dark) Didn’t mean to history lesson you to death! But I love that you covered them. Please. Keep up the great videos! mje, aka-Outsource
You are right Matthew- I was working at an art supply store in Chicago, and my co-workers couldn't stop talking about JD and that Ian took his own life.
Totally disagree. The indie rock scene was developing in Portland before Joy Division released a thing.
@@nzlemming was developing thanks to velvet underground
@@tommyholt2605 Slow learners, then. VU was pretty much over by 1973, whatever Yule says. VU was more punk without the manic energy than classic indie.
Had the pleasure of seeing Joy Division on numerous occasions, happy times.
Joy Division was truly a pioneer; I also strongly recommend another trailblazing band Killing Joke, maybe the song The Wait from their first album.
The echoeyness is the beautiful sound of Post Punk music. Definitely one of my favorite songs 🎶
It's hard to believe that almost the same group of people were so influential in pointing music in two different directions. Joy Division is the foundation of modern gothic post-punk, New Order is the foundation of modern electronica/EDM/synth music. If you want more Joy Division I recommend 'Transmission'
The start of the Manchester sound and the great bands that came with it. You really need to watch Ian perform. The Smiths, happy Mondays, Stone roses Wow! The best sound in the world
See the incredible drumming of Carl Palmer in rare live video from the (Calif. Jam 1974 in Karn Evil 9 pt. 2) Remastered by RudenkoArt. The following is copied and pasted from the internet --” Push play on any Emerson Lake and Palmer album and you'll immediately understand why Carl Palmer was ranked in the Top 10 of Rolling Stone Magazine's 100 Best Drummers of All Time. He's a technical monster whose precision, showmanship, and musicality are unmistakable and inimitable. Along the way his dazzling speed and mastery of the drums, combined with his infectious stage personality, have secured for him a respected place in history. Carl Palmer brings agility and speed that Neil Peart tries to bring but chokes with the indepth approach of a drum solo.”
Ian Curtis’ monotone is signature to Joy Division. It is robotic, hypnotic, and ironic. Ironic in the sense that the lack of emotion plays against the passion of the emotions behind the lyrics. When Ian would launch into a higher energy mode he’d often have a controlled seizure when dancing because he was staving off a full on epileptic fit. He threw himself totally into his songs.
Atmosphere is a gorgeous song to try out next.
More JD, please! Great band, very much ahead of their time when they were around, they really were the bleeding edge of the alternative rock scene before it even really existed at the tail end of the 70s into the last days of the Punk scene in the early 80s and beyond. Atmosphere is THE BEST SONG they ever recorded, but they did SO MANY other great ones besides. Transmission, She's Lost Control, Shadowplay, Ceremony, Isolation, Dead Souls, Disorder ... all masterpieces, and still as potent today as when they were first released.
Joy Division is one of those bands that made me feel not so alone in my young adult depression. While “Love Will Tear Us Apart” is their most famous song, there are others of theirs that hit even harder. I would recommend “Digital,” “Atmosphere,” and “She’s Lost Control.”
So if you can believe Joy Division changed their name after their lead singer died and became New Order (Blue Monday) and Bernard Sumner became their lead singer instead. They changed their sound and progressed to New Wave/Synthpop dance.
Guys you do know that this is one of the greatest songs written ever probably the most covered song of all time
JD produced 2 albums
Unknown Pleasures
Closer.
Then in June '80 Ian Curtis committed suicide. 23. It's like 2 years are frozen in time. I was 15 when he died. I just had heard this single the year before and heard they were coming to North America for their first U.S. tour, not to be.
This is 1000 years music.
It's timeless.
Joy Division is one of the most influential bands of all time. You would be shocked to discover how many artists cite them as an influence. If there had never been a Joy Division there would have never been a New Order. RIP Ian Curtis forever and always. ❤️
Joy Division was early gloom rock- their lead singer died by suicide. After that they developed into New Order- more techno dance but still a little gloom rock.
Gave us Blue Monday
@@MichaelSmith-qk5og How DOES it feel...?
We called it "New wave pop"
Japan Quiet Life album is another great example.
Thank you for covering, a fantastic British band of the 70's-80's deep lyrics that resonate today
This post punk bank is considered the godfather of the 1980's indie scene with its dark commentaries. Even the origin of the bands name comes from a dark place (basically Jewish female prisoners kept by Nazi's as enforced prostitutes). Ian Curtis who suffered from seizures (including on stage) was considered an absolute genius before he hung himself the day before embarking on their debut US tour.
A beautiful melancholy 😢 ♥️
So grateful that I get so see, hear, and feel this stuff anew because of you. Keep it going!
Context is king. The tragic story around this song changes everything. Joy Division sounded like nothing else around at that time, and "doom laden" has never had a more appropriate use when describing the late Ian Curtis's vocals, unfortunately.
Bear in mind that 75% of the band that gave you this song then gave you Blue Monday 4 years later, as they changed their name from Joy Division to New Order after Ian Curtis's suicide.
An old friend said this sounded like country music. I was speechless 🙊
Probably one of the most influential bands ever, so many artists that came after them were highly influenced by Joy Division and their sound. Kinda like David Bowie. And believe it or not, this is the same band as New Order. After JD's singer Ian Curtis committed suicide their guitarist Bernard Sumner became the singer and they turned from a post-punk band into a synthpop act and yet another highly influential one. I think you already reacted to 'Blue Monday', same guys !
Hello Reany with the wonderful profile photo!!
@@isabelsilva62023 Hi Isabel, thank you :))
You should check out The Smiths, “Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now”. Morrissey sings in the band and ventured out as a solo artist. Great stuff there too.
Joy Division became New Order, after leaad singer Ian Curtis passed away. Band member of Joy Division Bernard Summer then took over lead vocals. The band members decided to change the name from Joy Division to New Order, who's hit Blue Monday you reacted too.