Difficult Horse: A Real Life/Real Time Training Session (Episode 96) - Herm Gailey
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2022
- This shows the establishment of a starting point for improving a different horse who used threatening behavior and resistance to achieve a release from pressure. Here, we try to show him another way and to make him safer for his young handler.
About Herm Gailey:
Herm Gailey has spent a lifetime with horses. He is a nonprofessional rider who starts and trains his own horses to successful careers in multiple disciplines. Away from the show ring Herm retains a deep respect and appreciation for good reliable trail riding horses and believes that all horses benefit from this type of riding.
There is nothing for sale here. If these videos allow one person to avoid fear, frustration, or injury or help one horse get a better deal, then that is payment in full.
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You did all the right things... personally I think the right thing would also be to say this is not a horse for a 13 year old girl to be handling. That's an accident waiting to happen. The owners need a reality check. He needs to go to a retrainer for a quite a while to become safer and more respectful, even then he may creep back to his old ways with a child handler
Good point. Aside from the risk of injury, tough horses can kill a young person’s passion for horses; the last thing we need as the current pool of horse enthusiasts steadily age. Thanks for your comment. (Herm)
@@hermgaileyalifetimewithhorses That's so true. I remember when I was 13 I knew nothing about horses except I loved them, (parents were very non-horsey) and thankfully my first pony was a very gentle and forgiving mare. I rode out on the roads, jumped on bareback with no halter in the paddock, and that pony put up with all my mistakes which is a miracle now I look back
That’s how it is supposed to work. One of these days maybe I’ll post an episode about my early riding experiences which were decidedly less peaceful. (Herm)
Or have this young girl work side by side with a serious trainer. Definitely she is over faced with this horse.
Agree! I'm 57 and grew up on pony from hell, followed by great ones and not so great. Kids and parents were different then. Not very safety conscious and riding a horse was about only thing to do on farm besides work. Kids today have many more distractions and choices. We definitely need to encourage the youngsters @@hermgaileyalifetimewithhorses
What a great analogy for that young lady. He’s not your boyfriend, he’s your ex boyfriend. Brilliant way of getting through to her, sir.
I don’t think you were aggressive or mean. I think the horse was out of control. He needs a strong, kind leader.
I think that girl was scared of him. And I think the horse needs more groundwork from you.
Wonder what you think of Steve Young Horsemanship channel? He has interesting rules. Eg, you must immediately back up horse for any unrequested forward motion. He frequently reassures with a gentle facial rub. He makes his. Idea the horses‘ idea. And lots of other things. I really like him. He only handles problem horses doing house calls all over Britain.
Steve is one of the best and particularly good with aggressive, spoiled horses.
@@carmanconrad8684 I’m always skeptical when I evaluate horsemanship, but Steve has his own unique lane. He travels all over to help handle difficult, fearful and dangerous horses, and always gets significant change. He is kind and supportive, but firms up when necessary to protect space. I love his sayings, too, like “make your idea the horse’s idea” What he has done with his own horse Nita iis phenomenal, and I can’t wait to see how his two new young ones do with starting.
When I got my horse he was five and had been spoiled horribly by my mother in law. He was super food aggressive, pushy and sometimes downright nasty. I really had to step up and meet him at his level. Once he realized that I wasn’t backing down and was in charge he started coming around really quickly. He appreciated being a horse with a boss to him where the boundaries are. He’s thirteen now and the sweetest horse you could ask for. He loves my kids and is really careful around them. Just like kids, they need boundaries and rules to help them understand their world.
Well said. Dominion. It's honor, not pride to get it. Alot of work to have a horse. Time well spent.
The horse needed a firm hand and got a taste of his own medicine.
Thank you for showing all the great information in this video. I know it's a hard decision to post videos like this. Entertainment clinicians have people convinced that they can pet and play this type of behavior away and you and I know that is not true. If you get any negative feedback from any videos like this remember you definitely saved this horse's life and possibly saved his handler from a serious injury or worse.
Thanks for your support on this one. Sooner or later if you show real life horse handling rather than the fairytale version, the haters, correctors, and “experts”come for you. l think l’ll just keep telling the truth as I see it and let the chips fall where they may. Your thoughts make it easier to do that. Thanks again. (Herm)
"Entertainment clinicians"...you hit the nail on the head! They're selling a dream, not reality. But I guess that's where we're at these days.
Tim you're another one helping horses and people daily
I watch my own herd, now when the top boss gets aggressive all the boys listen, then he just has to pin his ears or even give them a stare and they respond. I think they do best with a leader making decisions, and every so often they test him to ensure he's still fit to lead. And every so often the boss tests me to see if I'm still fit to lead. So assure him every day, I never walk around him, he just moves as I quietly walk thru. My horses have given me 10 times what I give them. 67 years old and still learning after having them my whole life. Thanks for this great vid!
Perfect explanation Herm " He is not your boyfriend he is your ex boyfriend! That was a concept she could understand.
Thanks for your comment. Based on the response from the mostly female audience that line seemed to resonate. (Herm)
You treated the horse fairly as evidenced by the change in him. It is unfortunate that horses end up in bad circumstances because they weren’t trained or handled well. So important to give them a good foundation so they can have a good life. Thanks. As always, I got a couple of those nuggets.
Thanks for your comment. You are right. A disturbing number of horses never get a chance to be their best selves. A real shame. Please keep watching! (Herm)
I have rehabbed so many horses that either had a bad start, unknowingly spoiled or downright cruelty.
My own horses aren't perfect, but we strive. They're definitely pretty dang good on the ground for anybody.
I always try to fill the holes with good behavior as we never know what will happen in life. We may have to rehome our horses and the more solid they are, the better chance they have in life of being treated well and loved.
I came back and watched this again. It wasn’t for the rapid adjustment of the horse’s attitude about being a gentleman and becoming trainable this time but as a reference for the transfer of respect to a new handler (and simultaneous education of that person). Sometimes a process that isn’t “perfection” is perfect for the limitations of the situation.
I appreciate how you stepped up and became the leader that horse needed. Thanks for letting us see his restart Herm!
Thanks for your comment. This one made me a little nervous. l was glad to see that you understood the message, and thanks for watching. (Herm)
That girl will remember this for the rest of her life. What an amazing opportunity to learn from a great horseman.❤
Just started following you thanks to a comment by Tim Anderson and I'm glad I did! I see nothing wrong here. Of course, I'm the one who threw a bucket at my boss mare when she decided to kick at another horse at feeding time (not a problem) while I was close enough to be caught in the fracas (a serious mistake). She understood and has never done it again. She's also not afraid of me but does respect my space.
Thank you for showing the the real non-edited process of your masterful work. Truly an honor to watch you work with horse and human. Great Job!!!
What a nice comment. Thanks so much for your kind words.
I love your honesty @Herm Gailey. This is what those of us on our journey need. We don't need to see just the good and perfect.Rarely is that real life. You have a great disposition, sir. I appreciate you.
Thanks for your kind words. l always worry that putting up the real life stuff will generate some hate. l appreciate your encouraging comment.
Personally, I feel creating a relationship first is paramount to me. Who knows what he's been through with other people.. Rubbing, patting gently and grooming before hand helps tremendously. They need to know who you are and it might take a week or several weeks. Patience with troubled animals has worked for me personally with each animal that's had behavioral difficulties,dogs, cat's, horses. Time helps so much.
They did create a relationship.. He gave the horse what it was in need of to relax and feel safe.. a leader. Not once did he get upset with the horse, all he did was give the horse a clear messafe when it did good ( release), and when it did bad ( preassure that matched the energy of the horse at that time).
HERM YOU JUST SAVED THAT HORSES LIFE!!! A DANGEROUS HORSE CAN HURT THE HANDLER AND END UP IN A KILL PEN. WELL DONE HELPING THIS HORSE FIND COMFORT IN A HUMAN. PEOPLE DONT REALIZE THE ENERGY IT TAKES TO GO TOE TO TOE WITH A HORSE. YOU ARE IN A SENSE IN A "HORSE FIGHT". Susan
Marty, watch again. Nothing is wrong with this horse.
Yes there was something wrong with the horse. He had no respect for the handler to stay out of the the humans space which we know is dangerous. Well Done! Like I said
this horse will hopefully become a safe horse to be around thanks to you.
Perfectly gentlemanly but no-nonsense way of being in charge of him IMO. One of the most visual responses to relief during a short but critical training sessions that I’ve seen, too. I hope this horse has many happy years of safe adventures ahead. Thanks!
Glad you like this video. It really seems that you understand what I was trying to accomplish when I worked with this horse. I’m glad you’re watching.
You are a kind and wise soul- with horses and people. I really appreciate your common sense!
"Treat him like he's your ex boyfriend" seemed to do the trick.
I just got a 2 yr Old filly. Just like this one. 2 days ago. You can touch her anywhere. No issues, but respecting a human and fence. Not at all. Curious, and intelligent. South Africa.
I see love and discipline. Have to have both. Even with kids. Leave either out and you have either irresponsibleity or rebellion. Kids need to be productive. Around 12 or 13 a kid should be able to run their dad's buissnes or have some sort of value. You are creating life long memories and they will be so smart being instructed at such a young age. I noticed 3 show horses sold for 140,000. It was raining and the owner was unsure what would happen at the auction. You don't just give a kid a horse. A kid becomes confused and so does the horse. You definitely have a gift to work horses and teach. Ty sir. Several types of work has required me to practice, practice, practice. To read or hear I would improve helped me when I wanted to give up. Quite sure you didn't get where you are overnight. I would be writing notes while listening to you to be one of the best. Should be a passion for it.
One of your best ones yet Herm, In dealing with various rescue horses, boarder horses and others your message really resonates with me. This video gives them many good horsemanship tidbits all wrapped up in a nice package. Thank you. A~
Thanks for your support, as always. I was wondering what you would think of this one. Glad you liked it. (Herm)
@@hermgaileyalifetimewithhorses I received a very nice compliment one time from someone I respected and I'll offer it to you. "I have never seen you do something with a horse that I did not approve of". :-)
Horse understands herd behavior the back bone of training get out of my space is understood by the horse very quickly exactly what you are doing no harder than another horse would do to another.
Seriously!!! This video hits home for me! My horse does the same thing He is SUPER smart He also throws ‘little’ tantrums like this lol This video REALLY conveys the importance of boundaries, consistency, being one step ahead of a clever horse, being the type of owner who can recognise the horses intelligence and give him the opportunity to thrive Thankyou I’ve been searching and searching This REALLY helps!!! ❤
Herm I have never had a problem with how you handled this horse, he is dangerous with the potential to hurt anyone that defied his will and many ppl don't see it - don't know how to address it and we all need your advice. Nobody is perfect & some horses are alot harder than others so please don't doubt yourself ❤
I had an aggressive horse. He could. not get away with any behavior like this. He charged me a handful of times. The first few I gave in and left him alone then I finally built up the confidence to stand my ground and he had some “come to jesus” sessions and now he is my trail horse.
Man. I learned sooooo much from this one video.THANK YOU.
Consider that a horse weighs way more than a human, is much more powerful, we have to take measures to stay safe. If a horse isn't safe to be around its future would be bleak and likely end at an auction that leads to slaughter. Thats the reality of humans and animals. So, in being tough with them sometimes, remember their size versus yours, trainings purpose is to keep both parties SAFE for a happy future life.
I didn't see anything other than strong leadership. Follow me and life gets much calmer. Nature tells all of us to follow a strong leader. Just hope there fair
Your but never lies. Thanks. The best abvice
Thanks
Excellent😊👍 and he sure is a beauty! Very smart
Thank you very much!
Been working with horses my whole life I didn’t see anything ugly lol I was waiting for the ugly I didn’t see it! That horse would have become extremely dangerous You just saved his ass.
Excellent 👍
Well done.
Thank you for sharing your very gifted.
Pretty darn impressive horsemanship!
Outstanding video
I am very suprised you dont have way more subscribers and watches.
I follow only 2 or 3 excellent trainers, warwich, steve young, ryan rose and your as good as them from watching this video
Also a very kind man the way your interacted with the owner of the horse.
Im really glad i found your channel. Thank you
What a nice complement. I’m delighted to be mentioned in the same sentence with those other gentleman. Thank you very much. Glad you’re watching.
@emerwatchorn6971
I like the same three horse trainers, too. Luckily the algorithm suggested Herm to me.
In Deutschland sucht man gute, faire horsemanhip Menschen ...
thank you for this!, great info and understanding of the horse.
I think this horse will never be right for a 13 yr old girl.
Great video. So happy you posted this and subscribed right away.
Thanks for your comment and welcome to the channel. We have lots of earlier videos and playlists you might find interesting. Hope you will give them a look. (Herm)
@@hermgaileyalifetimewithhorses // without a doubt In playing catch-up on your channel.
I worked in a stable ,one day I was in the field with a small heard of horses and ponies , one pony came at me teeth bared, if I had backed off he would have hurt me ,so I faced him down and made him back off. Any time I would go into the field he would give me space
Leadership is every.
Absolutely AWESOME!!
A side question: Has anyone ever heard of a horse with Sinus Cancer?
Great video! Thank you!
Excellent. Thank you!
You are welcome!
Thoroughly impressed! Thank you for such a great video packed with tons of wisdom. ❤
I agree with a lot that's been said here,I've often thought that Bella never looked sound in her back legs,particularly going to the right. However the big thing missing here is just down to Long Reining ,in the school or field if no school is available, then get them out ,onto the ro ads ,anywhere, through house estates ,farmyards etc. We spent time lunging horses with two long reins, changing rein,stopping, starting ,making them stand,all the little things they need to learn,once they've done some work in the field,then take them out onto the road,obviously a quiet road, they learn to go forwards. During this time we get a rider on their back to get used to the rider . Eventually it's less lunging in the field,more long reining on the road let them see life,traffic etc, then it's more rider work quiet hacks ,and on we go ,and always use our voice and plenty of rewards ...not titbits!! Not saying for one moment we know everything ,but never had any future problems like napping ,,bucking etc .Amen !!! 😆
Love this video. I threw myself into purchasing two young stud colts without much experience. I’ve experienced some of this stuff. And one thing I’ve learned from Ray Hunt and from experience that this man is demonstrating: you must respect yourself and mean what you say to get a horse to respect you
Thank you for being real.
I see a lot of these videos with females who are looking for love from horses and just let the animal push them around ending in YIKES! Even the way this girl twirls the rope underhand reveals the total fear and/or ignorance of showing determination. Maybe this girl would benefit from playing the role of the horse and feeling the difference herself.
Another excellent video of an appropriate way to get, " your space "
Great video. 👍
Thanks 👍
you are good in what you do! Danke für diesen Kanal!
Based on what I have watched in horse training like from Ryan Rose and others you were not aggressive The horse was aggressive you were training
Good session. Herm,I don't see any overagression from you.If he treated the Alfa mare in the herd like that she would kick the sh#t out of him or charge and bite hard. Humans have to be Alfa-period! Abuse is not necessary. Speaking the horses body language is. Just the thoughts of an old retired trainer.....thanks for helping these kids.
Have you never heard of Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling and his non-violent working in harmony with horse. You need to watch some. He works with aggressive stallions
i don't see any big issue. your good.
well one thing i know about horses is just be true and strait forward of what you want from them dont show fear and understand that has the power to brake you and act properly
they are like 4-5 year old kids and they need some times the "spanking" short to speak to make them stop their tantrums and understand this they dont feel pain from our blows think of this that they bite and kick one the other you think we have the power of a kick? so dont be like some overreacted annimallovers oh he hit him with the rope call the police and stuff they just get spooked thats all and a venetarian once tald me the amound of pain they can endure is tremendus think a wild horse with a broken leg it lives with it till some predator get it...thats all for the oversensitive ones .. Mister you did very good even with the mistakes as all do and thats life no matter what
That horse was a jerk. He needed that before he hurt someone.
Dont keep doing it when he’s done it ok. Go do it on the off side before he goes blind over there. And if you keep playing at some that’s inclined to lay his ears back you best take a firmer attitude and change your technique so as to avoid him even thinking about it what ever it was .in this case striking. You’re asking a lot getting an inexperienced handler to rectify something that they have caused through persisting to the point of getting bad reactions and simply teaching the horse to fight back or sulk
Stop that Unrequested forward motion the split second he takes even a tiny step.
I have to use a dressage whip or a flag here :)
Did that woman just ask about this guys horse?! For real? Like he would have it there if it wasn’t? What’s she pretending at?
I don’t think you were over aggressive, asking him to back up. He wasn’t moving his feet and he wasn’t gonna unless you put that much pressure on him.
It would be more instructive for the horse to have follow thru. By pushing him out & then turning and having him follow you. It has more flow and is an additional lesson, follow but respect my space! If he's t oo close, bCk him up, shake the lead if he doesn't respond!
The way you stop & start is so jerky and the horse thinks: I went out & then i was stopped short, what is the purpose,? Also, it short circuits the lessons for the owners. if you can talk and keep moving the horse, much more is accomplished all around too!
This guy has some problems. okay, when the woman took the lead the first she did was let the horse move her feet. This trainer did not stop that. The first thing he should have done was told her to stop moving back and push the horse back with her body language and the lead rope just like he was. The problem with most horse trainers is they suck at human training. You can be great with horses but suck at transferring that knowledge to the human. Most of horse training is in timing and body language, being able to teach that to humans is what makes a great trainer.
no need to constantly shake the head harness.....
This horse is not suitable for a 13 year old. Just watching the first few minutes and witnessing the constant tail swishing shows his distress, annoyance, perhaps pain and general unhappiness. He is clearly frightened and there is too much distraction [ people too close [distracting, as the horse needs to keep an eye on them for his self preservation, hanging on the fence, another horse and person in the arena, etc.]. Not the best way to build trust and compliance. Not a good way to get focus and concentration, either. WAY too much going on for a fearful, agitated horse.
A round pen and no distraction and not causing fear and agitation would work better. As a retired pro rider/trainer, I had to tell countless people that their horse, who they sent to me for training [read, fix the problems other people had caused], was not a good match for them. Almost 100% of the time, when I told people they should get a more suitable horse, they would say "Oh, but I love my horse!" I would then explain that their horse does NOT love them, or even respect them. They would be amazed that their horse would do anything I asked, without question [and I am female, 100 pounds, and use no bits, spurs, etc.], but not do it for them. Most people just plain don't make the effort to understand horses. Horses, if you take the time, are so easy to understand, as they tell you, through their body language, exactly what they are thinking at all times. They are not even capable of deception. Being herd animals, once the horse recognizes you as leader, the horse will willingly obey any command or request without question.
This man means well and I am not attacking him personally, as I am sure he is a nice person and he clearly cares about horses. But the fact he says this horse has high IQ points and uses them for evil instead of good.....no, he doesn't understand horses. Horses are not evil. They don't think that way. To a horse, it is all about self preservation. Even attacking a human who is lower than them in the herd is self preservation, not being evil. A horse never attacks or questions the leader. At least at 6:36 he realizes he is frightening the horse and says " I was just scaring him with this." NOT the way to train a horse, build respect and trust. Watch Ryan Rose, watch Rick's videos called Think Like A Horse........it is really necessary to understand horses and scaring them is not the way to work with them.
Again, not attacking this man, who means well. And he does state he is not a pro. Lots of pros are not qualified, either. I won't respond to any disrespectful replies. My life's mission is to try to wake people up so they stopped hurting/ruining/frightening/harming their horses, which most people do not do on purpose, but through not understanding. Had to quit watching around the 7 minute marker, when he threatened to make the horse "move his feet a whole lot."
I must have missed the aggressive part. Thought I was going to see a real outlaw.
ok but no thanks... "don't use a 6" lead". Well, don't use a 6' lead - use a lunge line and a lunge whip - then you can avoid irritating that poor confused horse , causing more issues and possibly becoming damaged yourself in the process. Better yet - use a lunge/round pen. start him completely over! as if he's never been haltered.
Lady has no business with that horse….
😂😂 this was agresive?
All that is needed is a round pen. This is just back yard week end warriors desensitized crap. Not training. Poor horses.
Wow. Good to know you have all the answers.
@@hermgaileyalifetimewithhorses on this I do. Poor horses these days.
I myself think you confuse the heck out of him. I wouldn't know what you were asking either when you said he was pushing into you all I was doing was coming up with his ears up to get an attaboy because he was good I think you're training methods are all wrong but that's my opinion
Total mismatch… horse and rider.
She will be seriously injured or killed. You can have a good horse as much of bad. Pretty will put you in the hospital.
I have a problem with people who see horses as evil, who talk about inflicting pain on them, and hit them in the face with a rope when they get a bit close. You don't come across as someone who actually likes horses!
you didnt watch this video, clearly., This horse is not evil, he lacks leadership, and uses agression to claim being the one who decides stuff.
And about pain, if a horse is getting close un order to bite or kick you, it can kill you in half a second. And moving in on you when you have not requested it, can be a sign of disrespect.
Horses are big on respect. and they will demand it, using pain to get their point across. A few bumps on the leadrope is not painful, just uncomfortable.
Of the horse handler videos I have watched this guy goes to the very bottom of the list to watch. Way to aggressive.
This is bullshit. There is nothing wrong with this horse. I watched to six minutes and started writing. Don’t blame the horse.
I’ve learned that some horses just don’t get along with certain person. In other words, it is better to walk away from certain horses. I can usually tell the first 10 minutes I meet a new horse whether that horse likes me or not. Some horses, whether it is due to past abuse or bad traits, will wind up injuring or kill a person. In other words, you cannot save all horses. 13 year old girl has no business owning a horse that has shown any traits that displays threatening and aggressive behavior.
You are completely correct. Please know that I had the conversation about the inappropriate matchup between this particular horse and a young girl. My goal was to see what I could accomplish with the horse in a limited period of time. A long-term fix for a horse like that would be a much bigger project, obviously. Thanks for your comments and your insight.
@@hermgaileyalifetimewithhorses Yes I saw that in your video. Please note that my comment was in no way any criticism of your dealing with this horse. My comment was directed towards your audience with limited experience with horses. Keep up the good work as we are all learning a great deal from your videos. Thanks from this Arizona horseman. 👍
Just to clear the air, I was not at all offended by your comment. My intent in replying was just to point out that we really do agree. There are some horses that most people should just stay away from. The horse in this particular video was one of them.I truly appreciate well thought out comments and yours was one of them. Thanks.
@@hermgaileyalifetimewithhorses I totally agree with you. In fact, it is so good to hear from experienced trainers such as yourself pointing that important lesson that a lot of people just don’t seem to get. Thanks again for your very informative and educational video.