Dude Don't Compare Othinus with other Magic Gods, because she can't compare to other Magic Gods and even divides True Magic God's power to infinity. They are still stronger than Othinus and she is still the weakest Magic God and don't equate them. You're showing pictures of Othinus, so stop showing them with other Magic Gods, making people who don't understand Toaru think that other Magic Gods are just as weak as her, and you're lumping Magic Gods together. It's too different. Because Othinus is the weakest Magic God, they only indirectly Give her power and are only seen as a tool for other Magic Gods to change the universe according to their wishes so that they do not dispute that Picture. Because the other Magic Gods are equally strong and they cannot monopolize that painting as their own, they need an intermediary character to get their opinions to create the universe and that is Othinus so don't show it. Can the image of Magic God be different, because you are introducing Othinus to other Magic Gods and you are equating them, because Othinus and other Magic Gods are two completely different things and there is no weak Magic God like Othinus and She is so weak that she cannot detect or sense the existence of other True Magic Gods.
@@BUR404Or do you think mr mxyzptlk or dr manhattan have the ability to destroy everything with their presence like other Magic Gods, just the presence of a finger or foot is so excessive that it destroys all phases?
The New Gods like Darkseid almost destroyed the infinite DC multiverse from falling on it. The ones we typically see in comics, movies etc are avatars they created because their true forms would destroy reality from existing in it. Dr Manhattan and Mr. Mxyzplik are on par with the new gods at a minimum. Dr. Manhattans body is made up of connective energy which is the same energy used to create several infinite multiverses. The blue body we see is simply a body he created but his consciousness likley exist in a different dimension similar to the true magic gods. So yes, Manhattan can most likely destroy the universe just by existing within it just like the New Gods. It either doesn’t happen because the body we see is an avatar or he’s really good at containing his power
@@BUR404@BUR404 correction darksied's shadow was going to destroy the infinite multiverse, not even his "physical" body. This lines up with the idea that the new gods are living platonic concepts because these same concepts are beyond all of physics including concepts like space and time and infinite sets of dimensionality, etc. Since plato's idea of forms says that these abstract concepts are so much beyond the very concept size and physics that what we see are just emnitions of them an infinitely small part of thier shadow not even the entire shadow let alone the true form. Sorry for the yapp lesson on metaphysics101. I enjoy discussing and debating(healthy). powerscaling and lore on things like Marvel and Dc,lovecraft,scp,lotr, etc Also for people who struggle with understanding the very wacky powerscaling in things like DC and Marvel look more into metaphysics, especially in the powerscaling sense. I linked some videos on my other larger and more detailed comment.
@@Hyperminduser-ni1dw5sw4eYou're exaggerating, True Form Darkseid's shadow only obscures and casts a shadow over the entire DC universe, but it doesn't destroy the universe. rather, the whole body falls into the plane of the multiverse, causing it to deform and collapse and metamorphose the parallel universes and Time Streams that cause mass destruction due to the body, not the shadow. Have you read the story?
I've always felt that absolute power does not corrupt absolutely, but rather _reveals_ absolutely. Once someone has enough power, they stop subconsciously hiding the darker parts and impulses they have, and start acting on them.
I think one of the best examples of how absolute powers can corrupt you is a DC Comic where Batman were fighting a villain I don't remember their name to get there to get the magic ambulance the amulet switches Superman powers to batsman and when he started having this powers he essentially start to imposing his will absolute Power can corrupt numa how you look at it
@@AHMED-n3x I mean, Batman has always been broken, ever since the night his parents died. The reason he's always refused to kill people is simply because he's afraid he wouldn't be able to stop, because he knows he's broken, he knows he's vengeful and angry and violent. Getting power would reveal those things, the same way killing someone would lead to him revealing them willingly.
i think that the end for everyone with ultimate power is apathy, everyone is probably gonna go through the process of losing their morality and acting on their every impulse and then get bored of it until they desire nothing anymore
@@Prodigi50 Yet it is the responsibility of power to not let it run amok like that. Why do you think the gods are often distant? If they were to actually come by, they could accidentally wipe out nations with a frustrated or absentminded swipe of the hand. So they send messages, worshippers, and the occasional miracle, while the gods themselves stay in their realms, in olympus or heaven, in the skies or in the deep seas or in the deep earth beneath volcanoes.
My personal opinion on absolute power is that Absolute power Reveals more than it corrupts. With absolute power people feel unshackled, and now are able to indulge in the desires many of them already had, but had suppressed.
Power does corrupt absolutely because DC went against Alan Moore's wishes and made a self-contained, limited series comic fit into DC multiverse apocalypse #01921. I don't regard the DCified bastardization of Dr. Manhattan as the same character from the original Watchman. Nor Rorschach or anyone else. Moore famously hated every single adaption that was made of his work and openly criticized them. There's a reason that story was self-contained and didn't end up being recycled garbage like the rest of DC / Marvel comic stories and characters.
There is also a fictional character with the name of Khahrahk. What happens when you give a incorporeal impotent entity who was born to see the beginning of creation with the ability of hyper cosmic awareness but instead of being a apathetic, distant, or indifferent cosmic entity, said entity becomes a deity of vindictiveness and spite towards a lawless fallen creation of pain and agony that has raised a dynasty to go on to conquer and destroy all of Creation under his Scarlet Empire. That is what Khahrahk has become, when he became the Scarlet King raging a vicious campaign against all of creation he views as his adversaries and opposition. The Scarlet King, his armies and his progeny who leads his hosts are extremely powerful and even eldritch entities are very afraid of him and fear making him their enemy in the SCP Mythos.
YES. YESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!! FINALLY, SOMEONE ELSE WHO TALKS ABOUT HIM AND HIS POWERS!!!! Also, there’s a vid somewhere that explain the true extents of his powers and stuff :)
@@PierreHW Yep. There's alot potential in characterizing Khahrahk and making a good backstory for him, though I prefer to see him as a incorporeal individual rather then a being made of idea or whatever else other SCP document try to depict him as. What we do know of him as a individual entity in stories like Dust and Blood is that he wasn't the greatest of the Low Elder gods born and he wasn't the oldest but said to have been born during the third brood and that in power and body he was considered very frail and weak compared to his the rest of his family whoever he was conceived from. But where he was least mighty he had one thing none of the Elder gods had. Hyper cosmic awareness and knowledge. And at some point overtime that Hyper cosmic awareness and knowledge seemed to have started to bring him anguish and sorrow as he knew and was probably attached to everything he was seeing and experiencing driving him to madness and vengeance to set him on the road of becoming the Scarlet King. I like to think something serving as a slow escalating build up and eventually a catalyst event would happen to set him onto the path of the Scarlet King. Like say he used to be a compassionate and tried to be righteous being and used many of attributes and skills he developed out of his hyper cosmic awareness with things like competence, unforgetful panmnesia memories, know how, intuition, incentive, initiative, discernment, wisdom, and farsight to help his realm and family's house and succeeding on many fields and relationships with his family becoming a powerful heir and leader that made his kingdom prosper and thrive. All while his abilities of hyperawareness became more potent and greater then before. Something that will end tragic for him after losing it all by the hand the other eldritch powers of perdition and lawlessness and betrayals that left his everything he had made desolate while tormenting him. While he forced to see his first family be harmed at their hand and experience all the horrible pain and indignities directly through his attachments. Where his heart would be scared, where spite and vindictiveness would root itself into his spirit, and so began the path to becoming the Scarlet King overtime before he would take on that dark form.
@@thorshammer7883 yeah. I too like when people aren’t inherently evil, and rather have a slow burning buildup before they snap, causing them to transform and do their crimes and horrible acts. Glad to see someone else who agrees.
@@PierreHW Thanks. The way I thought his fall would be slow and gradual where he would gain more power over time after the tragic conflict that would afflict his spirit and intrude his thoughts with long lasting effects. Of setting up the tragic event would be a very horrible one his treacherous wicked enemies of absolute lawlessness and deceptions crucified him upon a burning tree in a field of trees that once part of a living grown garden now defiled where he would be laid broken, grieving, and his body scared and burnt up covered in a sickly ashed like covering his flesh. Forced to watch his beautiful glorious realm be desecrated and pillaged and the realm's ethnic population being scattered and hunted down and his house his family suffering the same fate as him above a burning chasm acting as a furnace all while he absorbed all the pain they were feeling to reflected back to him to minimize their agony and suffering hoping they would survive though most would perish despite his desperate yet valiant compassionate proactive attempts to save them. He would survive and carry that pain with him. Both physically and spiritually. He would become a warlord while being advised by another entity and would draw many lost souls who would become loyal followers to his hierarchy and divine king hood such as Lord Goran and the Prince of Many Faces as he gathered in strength and organization and infrastructure to enact the Scarlet Crusade to conquer the Darkness Below world.
The thing with scailing characters like this is that the winner is the one with the longest description of how high and mighty the cosmology they exist in is. Both could be describing the same thing and its just the one with a wider lexicon that gets the point across better.
ldea for a When Unstoppable Forces Collide. Shirou Emiya(Fate) vs Shido ltsuka(Date a live) vs Godou Kusanagi(Campione). The all have multiple powers with origin to mythology or religion. And theirs fight often involves theirs harem girls. But for the fight let's only go for the guys or it will be a hour video.
@@deezidibbs9796 Touma's just gonna slam cuz Imagine Breaker totally negs absolutely everything supernatural just for being supernatural regardless of scaling (completely ignoring the fact that the very concept of phases is supernatural and he doesn't destroy all phases by just existing in those phases)
That last part about the whole powerscaling ungabunga is incorrect, as Othinus scales to a pretty demonstrably high level with things like the Kabbalah system in Index, besides that, loved the video.
Good video Just some corrections on the side of DC lore: 1. Perpetua isn't a monitor she is from a species called the hands. These hands are sent by the source(which is an aspect of the presence ) to create entire multiverses. 2. The moniter race are basically shards of the original monitor. Mar novu, who is the son of Perpetua. He is also referred to as the over monitor(not monitor mind the overvoid) Now, to correct some powerscaling of DC: 1. perpetua and manhatton and all the Hands and the darkest knight and whoever is above them scale way above the endless. Remember, perpetua created the entire multiverse. Everything in the map of the multiverse except the source wall and the overvoid was originally(there are some weird shenanigans going on don't worry about it)created by her, including the endless and thier realms. So much so that Dream of the endless said that if Barbatos invaded his realm, he would be helpless against him even in his own realm. 2. Remember by absorbing a power equal to dr manhatton the bat who laughs was able to fight weakend Perpetua who still viewed barbatos like he was a fly and defeated the fusion of her children. 2. As for the battle, I still agree with the outcome, although I think it's way more of a stomp than you realize. Dr.manhatton transcends Mr Mxy, who transcends the new gods. The new gods have numerous statements saying that they are living platonic concepts,that they exist beyond the concept of space and time/dimensions. This makes them and anyone above them outerversal, and from my research, Othinus is at max is hyperversal 12D and higher and if you are really charitable matey high-hyperversal. So even true from darksied and Mr. Mxy destroys her, let alone dr.blueman. sure, she has a lot of hax, but you'll have to prove any hax can work on a being who transcends the user on infinite levels of infinity and beyond. Also, the feat of Mxy one shooting the spectre is from a non canon coimc. If you'd like to know more about dimensinal tiring, look at surfbone's(ua-cam.com/video/P-CLBU6iwTk/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared) and kristen kristen kember's(ua-cam.com/video/Dz7tgFZRj7E/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared) video on the matter . And for some DC lore, watch the interview between imagenry axis and snyder(ua-cam.com/video/_kI__lSBFe8/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared) and (ua-cam.com/video/NGOEO_R1uRY/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared)⬅️ this one is the full interview. And lomus theromax for both lore and powerscaling for DC. This is my ranking of DC 1.the true presence/Devine presence/GOD of DC. 2. His avatars this includes oversoul spectre. 3. The light of creation and the great darkness/Mahaparalaya. 4. The judges of the source. 5. The chronicler. 6. The cosmic raptor AKA the presence's pet bird. 7. Ascended Wonder Woman. 8. The hands,perpetua,Dr.manhatton, and the darkest-knight is the strongest in this tier. also, golden wonder is slightly above him 9. Perpetua's children. 10.CAS and Mandrakk. Lucifer and Michael can be placed in tier 4-6. They are stronger than the hands but weaker than the light of creation and the great darkness. Of course, there are many characters who can be placed on this tier list like Empty hand,Volthom,Nekron,dark Piria, etc. But I don't know where exactly. Again, good video 👍 🌟
The presence isn’t the strongest in DC just because he’s the creator don’t mean he’s the strongest because he even said he was created by someone. And pralya when she ate everything she even absorb the presence.
@@randomreactionstv2721 My friend, the most recent DC guide book, states he is the supreme being in DC. and the presence you're referring to is an avatar who is, as you said, created from higher force, which is his true self, which the DC guide book is referring to. The writer of Death Metal, who has the permission from Grant morrisn to change the whole dc cosmology siad in the interview that I linked that the true presence is the most powerful being in DC. And paralaya is just an avatar of the great darkness/Maha paralaya , who the true presence and oversoul spectre scale above him. And Paralaya is a viilan she could lie for all we care about. Trigon and the other hell lords said they were stronger than the presence and then an avatar of him that took the form of a small dog slaughtered them. We shouldn't take everything the viilans say like frieza used to say all the time that he was the strongest in the universe even though he knew about the existence of Buu and Berrus and the supreme kai and Moro.
@@randomreactionstv2721 read Dr fate(1989) issue 6# And spectre (2001) issue 10# In them the true presence especially in the dr fate one shows some of his power
@@randomreactionstv2721 no I am sorry that's blatantly false the great darkness is the opposite of the light of creation which the true presence created
I do think this is at the very least an actual close matchup and not the overkill as presented in the video. I say this because reality are 2 very different things in these 2 verses. In both verses, a lot of characters can bend reality and change it completely. Yet both manhattan and the magic gods are stated and shown to be far beyond even that. The concepts of the world and phases and sparks in toaru however have a much MUCH greater effect than simple reality warping and causality bypassing. A simple phase shift changes fate itself, to the point where aleister crowley himself could do nothing to change that. Keep in mind, crowley casually used the effect of infinite big bangs x10 (because of the blasting rod which makes things 10 times worse than perceived) and contained the damage within himself and suffered minor internal bleeding. And yet othinus with her completed lance can freely and effortlessly alter phases just to mentally destroy touma. Unlike in the dc verse, there is nobody who could even stop othinus at that point. Even though the true gremlin existed beyond that black empty plane which othinus had reduced the world to nothing, not even they could hope to stop her and instead did not interfere. Thus, I think a valid case could be made for othinus having a fair shot or even winning this matchup. Love your channel btw! Keep it up!
If you want another prime example of OP characters from the comics world, just look at another DC Comics character, Lucifer Morningstar, the devil himself, Old Scratch, Samael or the Lightbringer once a very long time ago, he valued free will and the freedom of expression in choices otherwise we are either puppet or blanks, sure we still don't have it but its better then being born to serve another as a replaceable cog Gandalf the Gray, the White, or Olórin, was born a divine agent gifted with free will yet chose to serve willingly higher virtues than himself in safeguarding Middle Earth from the evils brought forth by Morgoth & Sauron, when offered the One Rig he refused, having seen the darkness and knowing the malice to what it is bound to, he chooses compassion, pity, mercy and kindness over ambitions, Merlin, Emerhys, born from the union of the mortal man and the Fae, Fiaryt folk, both royals perhaps event from the lineage of the Eldar, the divine spirit of the magical word in the Fairty realms and kingdoms, by all account he is often seen as either a demigod, a god or even The God King of Mages, Wizards, Sorcerers, etc, yet he chooses the path of the scholar, teacher and healer, why compassion, pity, mercy and kindness to conquest, he seeks to bring back the light of civilization to the world,
The whole idea of absolute power corrupts absolutely is funny to me because i can tell honestly that if i had absolute power like reality warping power i would be neutral as hell i would literally leave and not concern myself with earth i would be like dr manhattan and go live by myself on another planet or live in a different dimesion
Which is why I, an introvert, sought power. I just wanted to be left alone. Now, I have that power. I am finally free. For me, the solitude is a gift. I have decided to keep my mind human, however, and so I do require SOME social interaction, and I have a few close friends and a lover, she with whom there are no secrets, and there is total trust, A relationship that all my power could never create, one that was born naturally. Some things no amount of power can solve, for in technicality there lacks the joyous freedom of emotion. Perhaps this rant is indecipherable, but the point is, solitude is not always a downside. I know of many a being that have no relationships of any sort, who acquired power for the opportunity of solitude, and enjoy it. It is only my belief in the enjoyment of emotional connection that binds me to this life. I will enjoy it, and help it, and live it, but it will end, and beyond that, my emotions and my lover shall not, not until we are ready. My power has afforded us that much at least.
One did a pretty good job of showing this with saitama, in that when garou killed Genos and garou killed his child friend, saitama and garou lost their anchors to humanity that allowed them to keep themselves sane, ulitmately they "fixed it", but imagine the monster they would have become without it, Saitama almost destroyed the earth himself, and he would have if not for blast porting it away, even then he destroyed most of jupiter and some moons, even destroyed a few solar systems or galaxys which we know have alien life given the existence of boros, even tho some of humanity survived, their heroes are gone and most of japan is a irradiated waste land, this isn't even pure time travel, it isn't just erased, saitama just jumped to a younger undamaged timeline, so everyone is just trapped there but himself.
Honestly its depends due to each person morals that either bad or good, bad people will easily were corrupt may be but swiftly pure evil while good people depends on itself who strongly cling morals or deep understanding of their morals as those who weakly cling moral may fall into abyss.
Dude Don't Compare Othinus with other Magic Gods, because she can't compare to other Magic Gods and even divides True Magic God's power to infinity. They are still stronger than Othinus and she is still the weakest Magic God and don't equate them. You're showing pictures of Othinus, so stop showing them with other Magic Gods, making people who don't understand Toaru think that other Magic Gods are just as weak as her, and you're lumping Magic Gods together. It's too different. Because Othinus is the weakest Magic God, they only indirectly Give her power and are only seen as a tool for other Magic Gods to change the universe according to their wishes so that they do not dispute that Picture. Because the other Magic Gods are equally strong and they cannot monopolize that painting as their own, they need an intermediary character to get their opinions to create the universe and that is Othinus so don't show it. Can the image of Magic God be different, because you are introducing Othinus to other Magic Gods and you are equating them, because Othinus and other Magic Gods are two completely different things and there is no weak Magic God like Othinus and She is so weak that she cannot detect or sense the existence of other True Magic Gods.
alright then, my bad
@@BUR404Or do you think mr mxyzptlk or dr manhattan have the ability to destroy everything with their presence like other Magic Gods, just the presence of a finger or foot is so excessive that it destroys all phases?
The New Gods like Darkseid almost destroyed the infinite DC multiverse from falling on it. The ones we typically see in comics, movies etc are avatars they created because their true forms would destroy reality from existing in it. Dr Manhattan and Mr. Mxyzplik are on par with the new gods at a minimum. Dr. Manhattans body is made up of connective energy which is the same energy used to create several infinite multiverses. The blue body we see is simply a body he created but his consciousness likley exist in a different dimension similar to the true magic gods. So yes, Manhattan can most likely destroy the universe just by existing within it just like the New Gods. It either doesn’t happen because the body we see is an avatar or he’s really good at containing his power
@@BUR404@BUR404 correction darksied's shadow was going to destroy the infinite multiverse, not even his "physical" body.
This lines up with the idea that the new gods are living platonic concepts because these same concepts are beyond all of physics including concepts like space and time and infinite sets of dimensionality, etc.
Since plato's idea of forms says that these abstract concepts are so much beyond the very concept size and physics that what we see are just emnitions of them an infinitely small part of thier shadow not even the entire shadow let alone the true form.
Sorry for the yapp lesson on metaphysics101. I enjoy discussing and debating(healthy). powerscaling and lore on things like Marvel and Dc,lovecraft,scp,lotr, etc
Also for people who struggle with understanding the very wacky powerscaling in things like DC and Marvel look more into metaphysics, especially in the powerscaling sense. I linked some videos on my other larger and more detailed comment.
@@Hyperminduser-ni1dw5sw4eYou're exaggerating, True Form Darkseid's shadow only obscures and casts a shadow over the entire DC universe, but it doesn't destroy the universe. rather, the whole body falls into the plane of the multiverse, causing it to deform and collapse and metamorphose the parallel universes and Time Streams that cause mass destruction due to the body, not the shadow. Have you read the story?
I've always felt that absolute power does not corrupt absolutely, but rather _reveals_ absolutely. Once someone has enough power, they stop subconsciously hiding the darker parts and impulses they have, and start acting on them.
I think one of the best examples of how absolute powers can corrupt you is a DC Comic where Batman were fighting a villain I don't remember their name to get there to get the magic ambulance the amulet switches Superman powers to batsman and when he started having this powers he essentially start to imposing his will absolute Power can corrupt numa how you look at it
@@AHMED-n3x I mean, Batman has always been broken, ever since the night his parents died. The reason he's always refused to kill people is simply because he's afraid he wouldn't be able to stop, because he knows he's broken, he knows he's vengeful and angry and violent. Getting power would reveal those things, the same way killing someone would lead to him revealing them willingly.
@@sebastianfontanez1081🎉👍
i think that the end for everyone with ultimate power is apathy, everyone is probably gonna go through the process of losing their morality and acting on their every impulse and then get bored of it until they desire nothing anymore
That makes so much sense I now agree and believe this
Absolute power doesn't corrupt, it merely reveals the true self which is why power is best used by one who does not desire it.
That is half right but have you seen how those who don’t want it wield it’s awful. A captain with out a destination is hell on the ocean.
Something about gods having existential crises is somehow a cool idea
I agree
That's why I like scp 3812
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Power only corrupts those who were evil to begin with.
Not exactly. Even good people can be corrupted by power.
@@nicke9012 I've yet to, despite my power. It's not that hard to NOT MURDER PEOPLE.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 true.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 If you were a god, people would be like insects. Insects are hard to not kill.
@@Prodigi50 Yet it is the responsibility of power to not let it run amok like that. Why do you think the gods are often distant? If they were to actually come by, they could accidentally wipe out nations with a frustrated or absentminded swipe of the hand. So they send messages, worshippers, and the occasional miracle, while the gods themselves stay in their realms, in olympus or heaven, in the skies or in the deep seas or in the deep earth beneath volcanoes.
Both Goat characters together 😭🔥 Othinus+ Dr Manhattan >>>
Othinus did nothing wrong
Touma: 💀
W video as always
My personal opinion on absolute power is that Absolute power Reveals more than it corrupts. With absolute power people feel unshackled, and now are able to indulge in the desires many of them already had, but had suppressed.
Power does corrupt absolutely because DC went against Alan Moore's wishes and made a self-contained, limited series comic fit into DC multiverse apocalypse #01921. I don't regard the DCified bastardization of Dr. Manhattan as the same character from the original Watchman. Nor Rorschach or anyone else. Moore famously hated every single adaption that was made of his work and openly criticized them. There's a reason that story was self-contained and didn't end up being recycled garbage like the rest of DC / Marvel comic stories and characters.
There is also a fictional character with the name of Khahrahk. What happens when you give a incorporeal impotent entity who was born to see the beginning of creation with the ability of hyper cosmic awareness but instead of being a apathetic, distant, or indifferent cosmic entity, said entity becomes a deity of vindictiveness and spite towards a lawless fallen creation of pain and agony that has raised a dynasty to go on to conquer and destroy all of Creation under his Scarlet Empire. That is what Khahrahk has become, when he became the Scarlet King raging a vicious campaign against all of creation he views as his adversaries and opposition.
The Scarlet King, his armies and his progeny who leads his hosts are extremely powerful and even eldritch entities are very afraid of him and fear making him their enemy in the SCP Mythos.
YES. YESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!! FINALLY, SOMEONE ELSE WHO TALKS ABOUT HIM AND HIS POWERS!!!! Also, there’s a vid somewhere that explain the true extents of his powers and stuff :)
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Yep. There's alot potential in characterizing Khahrahk and making a good backstory for him, though I prefer to see him as a incorporeal individual rather then a being made of idea or whatever else other SCP document try to depict him as. What we do know of him as a individual entity in stories like Dust and Blood is that he wasn't the greatest of the Low Elder gods born and he wasn't the oldest but said to have been born during the third brood and that in power and body he was considered very frail and weak compared to his the rest of his family whoever he was conceived from.
But where he was least mighty he had one thing none of the Elder gods had. Hyper cosmic awareness and knowledge. And at some point overtime that Hyper cosmic awareness and knowledge seemed to have started to bring him anguish and sorrow as he knew and was probably attached to everything he was seeing and experiencing driving him to madness and vengeance to set him on the road of becoming the Scarlet King.
I like to think something serving as a slow escalating build up and eventually a catalyst event would happen to set him onto the path of the Scarlet King.
Like say he used to be a compassionate and tried to be righteous being and used many of attributes and skills he developed out of his hyper cosmic awareness with things like competence, unforgetful panmnesia memories, know how, intuition, incentive, initiative, discernment, wisdom, and farsight to help his realm and family's house and succeeding on many fields and relationships with his family becoming a powerful heir and leader that made his kingdom prosper and thrive. All while his abilities of hyperawareness became more potent and greater then before. Something that will end tragic for him after losing it all by the hand the other eldritch powers of perdition and lawlessness and betrayals that left his everything he had made desolate while tormenting him. While he forced to see his first family be harmed at their hand and experience all the horrible pain and indignities directly through his attachments. Where his heart would be scared, where spite and vindictiveness would root itself into his spirit, and so began the path to becoming the Scarlet King overtime before he would take on that dark form.
@@thorshammer7883 yeah. I too like when people aren’t inherently evil, and rather have a slow burning buildup before they snap, causing them to transform and do their crimes and horrible acts. Glad to see someone else who agrees.
@@PierreHW
Thanks. The way I thought his fall would be slow and gradual where he would gain more power over time after the tragic conflict that would afflict his spirit and intrude his thoughts with long lasting effects.
Of setting up the tragic event would be a very horrible one his treacherous wicked enemies of absolute lawlessness and deceptions crucified him upon a burning tree in a field of trees that once part of a living grown garden now defiled where he would be laid broken, grieving, and his body scared and burnt up covered in a sickly ashed like covering his flesh. Forced to watch his beautiful glorious realm be desecrated and pillaged and the realm's ethnic population being scattered and hunted down and his house his family suffering the same fate as him above a burning chasm acting as a furnace all while he absorbed all the pain they were feeling to reflected back to him to minimize their agony and suffering hoping they would survive though most would perish despite his desperate yet valiant compassionate proactive attempts to save them.
He would survive and carry that pain with him. Both physically and spiritually. He would become a warlord while being advised by another entity and would draw many lost souls who would become loyal followers to his hierarchy and divine king hood such as Lord Goran and the Prince of Many Faces as he gathered in strength and organization and infrastructure to enact the Scarlet Crusade to conquer the Darkness Below world.
I’m hoping that neither of these guys fight spider…
正直に言うと、オティヌスとドクター・マンハッタンが同じ表紙や枠で描かれているのを人生で見ることになるとは思ってもいませんでした。全能の神の孤独が、神聖な孤独の中で登場人物として彼らを結びつけるのだと思います。
Ngl thought that was Noel vermillion on the thumbnail
The thing with scailing characters like this is that the winner is the one with the longest description of how high and mighty the cosmology they exist in is.
Both could be describing the same thing and its just the one with a wider lexicon that gets the point across better.
ldea for a When Unstoppable Forces Collide. Shirou Emiya(Fate) vs Shido ltsuka(Date a live) vs Godou Kusanagi(Campione). The all have multiple powers with origin to mythology or religion. And theirs fight often involves theirs harem girls. But for the fight let's only go for the guys or it will be a hour video.
I also want one with Touma,Shido,Battler,Shirou
@@deezidibbs9796 Touma's just gonna slam cuz Imagine Breaker totally negs absolutely everything supernatural just for being supernatural regardless of scaling (completely ignoring the fact that the very concept of phases is supernatural and he doesn't destroy all phases by just existing in those phases)
Anyway, yes, preach. Shido deserves respect.
Idle hand do the devil work
That last part about the whole powerscaling ungabunga is incorrect, as Othinus scales to a pretty demonstrably high level with things like the Kabbalah system in Index, besides that, loved the video.
Good video
Just some corrections on the side of DC lore:
1. Perpetua isn't a monitor she is from a species called the hands. These hands are sent by the source(which is an aspect of the presence ) to create entire multiverses.
2. The moniter race are basically shards of the original monitor. Mar novu, who is the son of Perpetua. He is also referred to as the over monitor(not monitor mind the overvoid)
Now, to correct some powerscaling of DC:
1. perpetua and manhatton and all the Hands and the darkest knight and whoever is above them scale way above the endless. Remember, perpetua created the entire multiverse. Everything in the map of the multiverse except the source wall and the overvoid was originally(there are some weird shenanigans going on don't worry about it)created by her, including the endless and thier realms. So much so that Dream of the endless said that if Barbatos invaded his realm, he would be helpless against him even in his own realm.
2. Remember by absorbing a power equal to dr manhatton the bat who laughs was able to fight weakend Perpetua who still viewed barbatos like he was a fly and defeated the fusion of her children.
2. As for the battle, I still agree with the outcome, although I think it's way more of a stomp than you realize. Dr.manhatton transcends Mr Mxy, who transcends the new gods. The new gods have numerous statements saying that they are living platonic concepts,that they exist beyond the concept of space and time/dimensions. This makes them and anyone above them outerversal, and from my research, Othinus is at max is hyperversal 12D and higher and if you are really charitable matey high-hyperversal. So even true from darksied and Mr. Mxy destroys her, let alone dr.blueman. sure, she has a lot of hax, but you'll have to prove any hax can work on a being who transcends the user on infinite levels of infinity and beyond. Also, the feat of Mxy one shooting the spectre is from a non canon coimc.
If you'd like to know more about dimensinal tiring, look at surfbone's(ua-cam.com/video/P-CLBU6iwTk/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared)
and kristen kristen kember's(ua-cam.com/video/Dz7tgFZRj7E/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared) video on the matter .
And for some DC lore, watch the interview between imagenry axis and snyder(ua-cam.com/video/_kI__lSBFe8/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared) and (ua-cam.com/video/NGOEO_R1uRY/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared)⬅️ this one is the full interview.
And lomus theromax for both lore and powerscaling for DC.
This is my ranking of DC
1.the true presence/Devine presence/GOD of DC.
2. His avatars this includes oversoul spectre.
3. The light of creation and the great darkness/Mahaparalaya.
4. The judges of the source.
5. The chronicler.
6. The cosmic raptor AKA the presence's pet bird.
7. Ascended Wonder Woman.
8. The hands,perpetua,Dr.manhatton,
and the darkest-knight is the strongest in this tier. also, golden wonder is slightly above him
9. Perpetua's children.
10.CAS and Mandrakk.
Lucifer and Michael can be placed in tier 4-6. They are stronger than the hands but weaker than the light of creation and the great darkness.
Of course, there are many characters who can be placed on this tier list like Empty hand,Volthom,Nekron,dark Piria, etc. But I don't know where exactly.
Again, good video 👍 🌟
The presence isn’t the strongest in DC just because he’s the creator don’t mean he’s the strongest because he even said he was created by someone. And pralya when she ate everything she even absorb the presence.
@@randomreactionstv2721 My friend, the most recent DC guide book, states he is the supreme being in DC. and the presence you're referring to is an avatar who is, as you said, created from higher force, which is his true self, which the DC guide book is referring to. The writer of Death Metal, who has the permission from Grant morrisn to change the whole dc cosmology siad in the interview that I linked that the true presence is the most powerful being in DC. And paralaya is just an avatar of the great darkness/Maha paralaya , who the true presence and oversoul spectre scale above him. And Paralaya is a viilan she could lie for all we care about. Trigon and the other hell lords said they were stronger than the presence and then an avatar of him that took the form of a small dog slaughtered them.
We shouldn't take everything the viilans say like frieza used to say all the time that he was the strongest in the universe even though he knew about the existence of Buu and Berrus and the supreme kai and Moro.
@@randomreactionstv2721 read Dr fate(1989) issue 6# And
spectre (2001) issue 10#
In them the true presence especially in the dr fate one shows some of his power
@@Hyperminduser-ni1dw5sw4ebro the presence and the great darkness are even because the great darkness is the evil version of the presence.
@@randomreactionstv2721 no I am sorry that's blatantly false the great darkness is the opposite of the light of creation which the true presence created
Complicated and deep monologue about the vision of life upon the the eyes of a god-like being
15:10->Anyway, time to battle
I couldn’t help it💀
I hate power scaling and love anime and manga
I do think this is at the very least an actual close matchup and not the overkill as presented in the video. I say this because reality are 2 very different things in these 2 verses. In both verses, a lot of characters can bend reality and change it completely. Yet both manhattan and the magic gods are stated and shown to be far beyond even that. The concepts of the world and phases and sparks in toaru however have a much MUCH greater effect than simple reality warping and causality bypassing. A simple phase shift changes fate itself, to the point where aleister crowley himself could do nothing to change that. Keep in mind, crowley casually used the effect of infinite big bangs x10 (because of the blasting rod which makes things 10 times worse than perceived) and contained the damage within himself and suffered minor internal bleeding. And yet othinus with her completed lance can freely and effortlessly alter phases just to mentally destroy touma. Unlike in the dc verse, there is nobody who could even stop othinus at that point. Even though the true gremlin existed beyond that black empty plane which othinus had reduced the world to nothing, not even they could hope to stop her and instead did not interfere. Thus, I think a valid case could be made for othinus having a fair shot or even winning this matchup. Love your channel btw! Keep it up!
Elrond Miller might have a chance of beating both
If you want another prime example of OP characters from the comics world, just look at another DC Comics character, Lucifer Morningstar, the devil himself, Old Scratch, Samael or the Lightbringer once a very long time ago, he valued free will and the freedom of expression in choices otherwise we are either puppet or blanks, sure we still don't have it but its better then being born to serve another as a replaceable cog
Gandalf the Gray, the White, or Olórin, was born a divine agent gifted with free will yet chose to serve willingly higher virtues than himself in safeguarding Middle Earth from the evils brought forth by Morgoth & Sauron, when offered the One Rig he refused, having seen the darkness and knowing the malice to what it is bound to, he chooses compassion, pity, mercy and kindness over ambitions,
Merlin, Emerhys, born from the union of the mortal man and the Fae, Fiaryt folk, both royals perhaps event from the lineage of the Eldar, the divine spirit of the magical word in the Fairty realms and kingdoms, by all account he is often seen as either a demigod, a god or even The God King of Mages, Wizards, Sorcerers, etc, yet he chooses the path of the scholar, teacher and healer, why compassion, pity, mercy and kindness to conquest, he seeks to bring back the light of civilization to the world,
The whole idea of absolute power corrupts absolutely is funny to me because i can tell honestly that if i had absolute power like reality warping power i would be neutral as hell i would literally leave and not concern myself with earth i would be like dr manhattan and go live by myself on another planet or live in a different dimesion
Expectation: "Time to take over the world"
Reality: "What do you mean i don't have to go to work anymore, is this level of power even possible?"
Infinite power is lonely.
Edit: one world bro goes to fnaf and gets jumpscared.
Which is why I, an introvert, sought power. I just wanted to be left alone. Now, I have that power. I am finally free. For me, the solitude is a gift. I have decided to keep my mind human, however, and so I do require SOME social interaction, and I have a few close friends and a lover, she with whom there are no secrets, and there is total trust, A relationship that all my power could never create, one that was born naturally. Some things no amount of power can solve, for in technicality there lacks the joyous freedom of emotion. Perhaps this rant is indecipherable, but the point is, solitude is not always a downside. I know of many a being that have no relationships of any sort, who acquired power for the opportunity of solitude, and enjoy it. It is only my belief in the enjoyment of emotional connection that binds me to this life. I will enjoy it, and help it, and live it, but it will end, and beyond that, my emotions and my lover shall not, not until we are ready. My power has afforded us that much at least.
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I suppose so
Can you do Instant Death vs All Fiction.
One did a pretty good job of showing this with saitama, in that when garou killed Genos and garou killed his child friend, saitama and garou lost their anchors to humanity that allowed them to keep themselves sane, ulitmately they "fixed it", but imagine the monster they would have become without it, Saitama almost destroyed the earth himself, and he would have if not for blast porting it away, even then he destroyed most of jupiter and some moons, even destroyed a few solar systems or galaxys which we know have alien life given the existence of boros, even tho some of humanity survived, their heroes are gone and most of japan is a irradiated waste land, this isn't even pure time travel, it isn't just erased, saitama just jumped to a younger undamaged timeline, so everyone is just trapped there but himself.
15:45🙁
from mortal to powerful
for the poweful....what corruption?
srly.
So where did you scale them ??
Honestly its depends due to each person morals that either bad or good, bad people will easily were corrupt may be but swiftly pure evil while good people depends on itself who strongly cling morals or deep understanding of their morals as those who weakly cling moral may fall into abyss.