UPDATE: KTM Duke 390 BS6 Quickshifter+ Now is Pure Bliss

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  • Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
  • Hi guys, just an update video about the KTM Duke 390 BS6 model that comes with Quickshifter+ which means quickshifter with auto blipper. Earlier it was not working like it should, but now it works like Pure Firepower!! Watch me enjoy my ride on my friend's Duke 390. With QS+ now working with a wide open throttle, I feel it really is worth every penny at the price point it is being offered at.

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  • @SagarUdit
    @SagarUdit 3 роки тому +105

    Finally quickshifter and autoblipper works in duke 390 just as duke 790

    • @mohemmedasifkhadiri1267
      @mohemmedasifkhadiri1267 3 роки тому +2

      I still worder how the words from dictionary find its way straight to Dino bhai's Videos! "What a jubliation!" Tho!

  • @Deepakbhatia993
    @Deepakbhatia993 3 роки тому +12

    Don't be sad Dino bhai. Your viewers know how much effort you are putting to give us the best review for each and everyone 🔥

  • @KannanSanthanaRaj
    @KannanSanthanaRaj 3 роки тому +2

    Bought this bike on March 2020 just before the lockdown. And I was always having notification that there is a problem in quick shifter + if I upshift and downshift like 30 or more times. When I went for the first service after lockdown got lifted, the software was reinstalled and now its really really smooth. No more quickshifter problem!!

  • @realtalkwithphil
    @realtalkwithphil 3 роки тому +3

    Man, I'm just watching your video for the first time and ive fallen in love with your works. It's not because of the number of subs and likes you have.
    I just love your cheerfulness and enthusiasm. It shows in the way you talk and everything. God Bless you man! ⭐⭐⭐⭐

  • @rockydavid8672
    @rockydavid8672 3 роки тому +1

    I have been watching your reviews for sometime now Dino. Finally subscribed and hoping your dad's dream of 1 million subscribers come true saspo and for you too for all the good work you do so sincerely. Be safe and ride safe. God bless 👍🙏.

  • @prathameshjoshi885
    @prathameshjoshi885 3 роки тому +15

    Initially issue was there...
    But people need to understand that the quickshifter+ on the duke/adv 390 is not ready to use after delivery...
    One has to break in the quickshifter in those first 1000km..
    And later after 1000km there will be 2 ecu updates...
    One is unlocking the bike and update for the QS.
    Hopefully newer models will get that firmware pre-installed.

    • @BibhuPrasannaDash
      @BibhuPrasannaDash 3 роки тому +1

      Brother I have the first lot of the bs6 duke 390 it is still having the same problem so will i have to go to the service center and after doing the updates it will be fine?

    • @prathameshjoshi885
      @prathameshjoshi885 3 роки тому +1

      @@BibhuPrasannaDash If you haven't updated yet then you must go and update your ecu to the latest firmware..
      And tell them to tune your quickshifter and try to use it regularly...after every 200km you'll notice it getting smooth

    • @BibhuPrasannaDash
      @BibhuPrasannaDash 3 роки тому +1

      @@prathameshjoshi885 Ok but I recently did my second service but when i asked them about the updates they said that the latest firmware is already installed then they did some quickshifter learning by connecting the diagnose tool but still not smooth as shown on the video and only shifts exactly at 5000 rpm not more. If you could give the firmware version it would be of great help.

    • @prathameshjoshi885
      @prathameshjoshi885 3 роки тому +1

      @@BibhuPrasannaDash If you have done second service then firmware is upto date..are you having issues with getting the the bike in neutral? Because the adjustment below the gear lever should be 90°..(that may affect the engagement of the QS, if not)
      You'll need to re learn it I guess, try visiting a different service center in your city, and if not using regularly...try to keep using it until it learns well when to engage when to not.

    • @BibhuPrasannaDash
      @BibhuPrasannaDash 3 роки тому +1

      @@prathameshjoshi885 Ok i will do as ypu suggested but the quickshifter learning process is instant which is done by connecting the diagnos tool and yes while putting the bike into neutral its a little bit tricky sometimes and sometimes it is neutral still in the gear indicator it shows blank which is corrected by applying a little pressure in the gear lever without changing the gear.

  • @sati614
    @sati614 3 роки тому +3

    Completed 2000kms on my Duke 390 bs6 and guys unlike the previous gen it's ultimate smooth and vibration free and quickshifter works amazingly.
    Btw amazing video Dino ❤️

    • @Syamu-dh6nx
      @Syamu-dh6nx 3 роки тому

      Bro is the ground clearance enough? Have you ever hit any speedbreaker

    • @sati614
      @sati614 3 роки тому

      @@Syamu-dh6nx You will have to be careful with pillion. Without pillion it's all right

    • @karanghosh3352
      @karanghosh3352 2 роки тому

      @@sati614 hey man how's the heating issue and maintenance cost. ? Actually I was planning for 390

  • @shakeebahmer
    @shakeebahmer 3 роки тому +4

    Appreciate the good work Dino... Much love Duke 390 ❤️

  • @adityacool55555
    @adityacool55555 3 роки тому

    Thanx dino..... It means a lot for us as I am buying this beast on Jan 26 2021....
    Every update is IMP for me specially as Investing a lot🤗🤗🤗🤗

  • @arshjaikrishan4740
    @arshjaikrishan4740 3 роки тому +2

    Chief your efforts are tremendous and it reflects in your wonderful videos.. just a thought, as u mentioned here, the technical glitches spoilt your first attempt.. you could have retained the good footage and simply down a voice over, over the same.
    Enjoy your rides and safely.
    Warm regards
    AJ

  • @ricky_blaze8274
    @ricky_blaze8274 3 роки тому +3

    That's an excellent update.... Love from Rourkela❤️❤️

  • @Fourstrokeriders
    @Fourstrokeriders 3 роки тому +4

    The QS and AB works even more smoothly at mid RPM's (6,7,8)

  • @Noob_master_69420
    @Noob_master_69420 3 роки тому +35

    KTM DUKE 390 is ❤️🔥🔥😘♥️

  • @vivekraghava4205
    @vivekraghava4205 3 роки тому +1

    Appreciate your efforts to make such awesome videos that helps the viewers! 👍🏻

  • @Critfaced
    @Critfaced 3 роки тому +2

    We don't have the bs6 styling in America. It's our 2021 model that hasn't arrived in dealers yet. I'm waiting for it to come out before I buy one because I love it.

  • @AnkiV99onZX10R
    @AnkiV99onZX10R 3 роки тому +3

    This machine keeps getting awesome. Only problem with BS6 390 is their top end is clearly compromised. My BS3 even after all the years reaches 165-170 without running out of breath.

    • @fayizmk8151
      @fayizmk8151 3 роки тому

      Meter error

    • @rohanagarwal4290
      @rohanagarwal4290 3 роки тому

      It just a meter error bro in bs3 which was solved in bs4 and bs6 so yeah and when u drive the duke 390 u dont feel any lag like your bs3

  • @sidharthpathak4028
    @sidharthpathak4028 3 роки тому +47

    Sir it's my dream to own a Duke 390🥺 I'm planning to but it next year . It's my dream from 2 years

    • @AKmohanrajj1
      @AKmohanrajj1 3 роки тому

      Same bro ❤✌

    • @karanroy748
      @karanroy748 3 роки тому

      we are same bro 🤟

    • @iamvamsi6573
      @iamvamsi6573 3 роки тому +1

      7 years here bro am i shouting

    • @milananuram5019
      @milananuram5019 3 роки тому

      4 years here..... And it's gonna blast in 6 days😌

    • @iamvamsi6573
      @iamvamsi6573 3 роки тому +2

      @@milananuram5019 i u buy it come here again and tell me bro best of luck

  • @i1msrm
    @i1msrm 3 роки тому +2

    Hats off to your effort and thanks for the update video ❤

  • @harshavardhan8362
    @harshavardhan8362 3 роки тому +36

    Best street bike🔥

  • @sivaprasadduppala4881
    @sivaprasadduppala4881 3 роки тому +4

    I'm addicted to Dino bhai vlogs..👍👍

  • @princebhatt4492
    @princebhatt4492 3 роки тому +1

    Was Searcing for this video and finally found out yours video on this sir.... Love you... Sir.... Thnxx... Already booked my KTM Duke 390 two days ago... Now waiting for the delivery 😍😍😍😍💥🔥 #thnxalotsir

    • @swargdhamsantaashram7235
      @swargdhamsantaashram7235 3 роки тому

      You should have wait for the next generation supposed to be launched by may 2021

    • @princebhatt4492
      @princebhatt4492 3 роки тому

      @@swargdhamsantaashram7235 why is that so... Vse bhi 2021 m new RC launch hone vali h duke nhi and ab 390 nhi ktm 490 p work kr rhi h jo k 2022 k end tk aaygi... Baaki duke 390 m koi major changes nhi hone vaale.... Jo hone the most of hogye h...

    • @princebhatt4492
      @princebhatt4492 3 роки тому

      @@swargdhamsantaashram7235 And vse bhi ab KTM sirf booking amount provide krn k baad hi bike produce krra h... So they are working more precisely now

    • @swargdhamsantaashram7235
      @swargdhamsantaashram7235 3 роки тому

      @@princebhatt4492 thats nice ..
      But maine suna hai new 390 aa rahi h may mai launch hogi witg radar based cruise control ...you should have get that

    • @swargdhamsantaashram7235
      @swargdhamsantaashram7235 3 роки тому

      @@princebhatt4492 bs6 me my biggest concern is ground clearance

  • @baarishsrd549
    @baarishsrd549 3 роки тому +3

    Dinesh Bhai ..... You demonstrated & explained the upshifting , but may be you forgot to do the same about downshifts .....

  • @dhinesh0507
    @dhinesh0507 3 роки тому +3

    Advance wishes for 1million subscribers ❤️dino🙌

  • @augustinesilvester93
    @augustinesilvester93 3 роки тому +9

    Quick shifter is just insane in bs6 D390 💥❤🤩🥳

    • @ASIAN_LION
      @ASIAN_LION 3 роки тому

      Can we downshift using quick shift?

  • @Shapoordordi
    @Shapoordordi 3 роки тому +1

    Mr. Dino is the same issue present in the 390 Adventure? If has has it been corrected in the latest 390 Adventure version 2020.

  • @saiprakash2204
    @saiprakash2204 3 роки тому +1

    Very useful video thx dino for this, I'm getting a new Duke 390 bs6 on Jan 1st,this video gives me such a hope to buy it without any backlash...thank u

  • @VishalSingh-lv1zl
    @VishalSingh-lv1zl 3 роки тому +10

    Pocket rocket 🔥🔥🔥

  • @arjunvarma926
    @arjunvarma926 3 роки тому +16

    Good afternoon Mr. Dino. I bought a duke 390 in September and my QS was not the best. Do you think the dealership will help me with this issue?

    • @DinosVault
      @DinosVault  3 роки тому +23

      They should help u and the problem should be solved software update, if any serious issue, pls mail me with your bike rc details and I will forward your complaint to the company folks.

    • @noobkiller9478
      @noobkiller9478 3 роки тому +2

      I bought in October and mine work like Butter, must be tough luck to miss it by a month.

    • @arjunvarma926
      @arjunvarma926 3 роки тому +1

      @@DinosVault sure thing thanks a lot

  • @sreeharimw1753
    @sreeharimw1753 3 роки тому +5

    Which software do you use to edit your videos?

  • @ican3160
    @ican3160 3 роки тому +2

    Does quickshifter works properly in 3k-4k RPM range??? Reply dino bhaii

  • @0xxHADESxx0
    @0xxHADESxx0 3 роки тому +1

    If i don't know how to change gears and get this instead can i just use the quickshifter and never worry about making gear changes using the clutch?

  • @debabratamukherjee8299
    @debabratamukherjee8299 3 роки тому +1

    Sir do you feel any power difference between bs4 duke 390
    And bs6 duke 390?

  • @satish.k153
    @satish.k153 3 роки тому

    Duke 390 now value for money machine 🤩🤩🤩🤩😍😍😍😍

  • @sushildantala
    @sushildantala 3 роки тому +1

    Dino Anna is the update valid on Adventure 390 too ?

  • @tomelwich49
    @tomelwich49 3 роки тому +1

    Man, thanks From the USA

  • @kushagratrivedi7330
    @kushagratrivedi7330 3 роки тому +2

    Amazingly edited Man !!!

  • @vkalyan607
    @vkalyan607 3 роки тому +1

    Congrats in advance anna 700K

  • @madhukumar6639
    @madhukumar6639 3 роки тому +2

    Dino bhai enjoying shifter 🤩

  • @mr.darkphoenix2283
    @mr.darkphoenix2283 3 роки тому +3

    Waiting for the beast super duke R 1290 dream bike❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥

  • @pinneboyinakarthikpinneboy5703
    @pinneboyinakarthikpinneboy5703 3 роки тому +1

    you are super fast in every update so satisfied by your reviews

  • @vishalprabhakar09
    @vishalprabhakar09 3 роки тому

    Hi Dino,
    I have watced most of your KTM Duke reviews. These include D390, D250 and D200.
    Which according to you is the most value for money and should be in one's garage?
    Thank you.

  • @abecedarian9188
    @abecedarian9188 3 роки тому

    Congrats in advance for 700k

  • @vipulsaini1200
    @vipulsaini1200 3 роки тому +1

    Waiting for it
    Thank you sir
    👍👍

  • @niwanmate
    @niwanmate 3 роки тому +6

    This is what we need

  • @sanjaysahu4532
    @sanjaysahu4532 3 роки тому +1

    Dino bhai ek no hindi😂😂😂😎..... Nice video 👍👍

  • @tsharathchandra7074
    @tsharathchandra7074 3 роки тому +4

    Sooo close to 700k🔥
    699 during this comment🙌🏼

  • @manthenvashishth3769
    @manthenvashishth3769 3 роки тому

    Unpopular opinion but that Dino bhai's r3 rev match with akrapovic was amazing

    • @PD-dj7cu
      @PD-dj7cu 3 роки тому

      Found the redditor

  • @jithumohan5572
    @jithumohan5572 3 роки тому +6

    Sir, I've booked a 390 duke last week. Im waiting for delivery this week. Will my bikes quickshifter work well? Is this a software update or is it hardware related?

    • @avulasivaram
      @avulasivaram 3 роки тому

      Wait for it bro visit showroom and ask them

    • @1402yash
      @1402yash 3 роки тому

      Its a software update..

    • @jithumohan5572
      @jithumohan5572 3 роки тому

      @Abilesh S no. 🙄 I got delivery and the quickshifter is working fine. It works 95% of the time.

  • @dcdesigns9256
    @dcdesigns9256 3 роки тому +1

    My first dream bike which I like to buy with my income

  • @Voondiaz
    @Voondiaz 2 роки тому

    Hey man, do u know what brand did they use for the quickshifter device?

  • @ShivanshBatham9
    @ShivanshBatham9 3 роки тому +2

    Hello dino sir
    Duke 250 or gixxer 250 what do you suggest?.is duke 250 worth 60k extra over gixxer

  • @kushveersingh4908
    @kushveersingh4908 3 роки тому

    I started using quickshifter+ after first service ( at 700 kms ) .... and it worked flawlessly ... it gives you the same feel as driving an automatic car once you shift the gear without engaging the clutch.... it’s amazing!! A big plus for duke 390 BS6... Other than ground clearance no problems at all... it’s a beast!

    • @karanghosh3352
      @karanghosh3352 2 роки тому

      How's the heating issue bro ? And maintenance?

    • @kushveersingh4908
      @kushveersingh4908 2 роки тому

      @@karanghosh3352 no heating issues… Maintainence is minimal … in terms of servicing first three are free and cost comes under 2k….

    • @karanghosh3352
      @karanghosh3352 2 роки тому

      @@kushveersingh4908 thanks a ton brother for sharing such valuable information ☺️

    • @avilashdey6581
      @avilashdey6581 2 роки тому

      Bro did you face vibration issue. It vibrates alot comparing to apache 160 4v. And the back break is too poor 😭. Do i have to go to the workshop to fix this or this problem is in every duke 😭? Please reply brother

    • @avilashdey6581
      @avilashdey6581 2 роки тому

      And how much average you are getting after first service?. Right now without first service I'm getting aroung 20 for normal use. No overspeeding 😭

  • @sushrutdongargaonkar2073
    @sushrutdongargaonkar2073 3 роки тому +1

    Dino Sirji, could you please let me know about those gloves? Nice work as always!

  • @sadman5872
    @sadman5872 2 роки тому

    Bhai, if you would talk about the vibrations, cruing speeds, stability etc that would make the vids more interesting and helpful!

  • @MeMeMechinE
    @MeMeMechinE 3 роки тому +1

    ktm 390=🔥

  • @malligarjunc4226
    @malligarjunc4226 3 роки тому +3

    Road to 700k❤️ congratulations

  • @shubh.jain1990
    @shubh.jain1990 3 роки тому

    12:35 dino bhai plz dont forget that you are on going road so plz be safe and try to not go so much far from motorcycle when you try to show us exhaust sound at the end of the video...i know aap dhyaan rakhte honge but still take care of urself during ending of the video 🥰👍💥

  • @malickdavid7278
    @malickdavid7278 2 роки тому

    Iam 5.5 inches…looking forward to own a 390 .Will it be good enough for my personality.Hope u could help me out

  • @gaurabmazumder3574
    @gaurabmazumder3574 3 роки тому +1

    Finally got a reason tu buy this beast

  • @santoshdubey4327
    @santoshdubey4327 3 роки тому +4

    Best ktm😘

  • @probikers2602
    @probikers2602 3 роки тому +3

    Nice review 👍

  • @vinodhkumar2402
    @vinodhkumar2402 3 роки тому +1

    Ballistic missile 🔥

  • @nikhilmerwade3888
    @nikhilmerwade3888 3 роки тому +3

    Dino Bhai, can u upload the original video of this vlog which u had mentioned the audio went horribly wrong? 😊

  • @chapietech135
    @chapietech135 3 роки тому

    Congrats bro 7lacs subscribers

  • @kartiksharma9838
    @kartiksharma9838 3 роки тому +1

    Would have loved to see you demo the autoblipper in this video.

  • @antumeena6392
    @antumeena6392 3 роки тому +2

    1 Jan ko he lerha hu Bhai
    #ktm390
    #love you brother ❤️🙏

    • @vipulsaini1200
      @vipulsaini1200 3 роки тому +1

      Bhia tune leli kya next year next generation aarahi hai

    • @antumeena6392
      @antumeena6392 3 роки тому

      @@vipulsaini1200 ha bhai lele

  • @naveensharma2970
    @naveensharma2970 3 роки тому +1

    Mja aa gya hindi sunkar. Please make any complete video in full hindi

  • @mohamedsultanabrar929
    @mohamedsultanabrar929 3 роки тому +1

    Plz do top speed video of Duke 390 Bs6... As soon as possible. I think it would reach 173kmph..

  • @MadGuyEric
    @MadGuyEric 3 роки тому +1

    I booked my duke 390 today.

    • @swargdhamsantaashram7235
      @swargdhamsantaashram7235 3 роки тому

      You should have wait for the next generation supposed to be launched by may 2021

    • @MadGuyEric
      @MadGuyEric 3 роки тому

      @@swargdhamsantaashram7235 Already waited for so long bro for this and missed so many rides. Now I am happy to have it.

    • @swargdhamsantaashram7235
      @swargdhamsantaashram7235 3 роки тому

      @@MadGuyEric thats cool

    • @swargdhamsantaashram7235
      @swargdhamsantaashram7235 3 роки тому

      @@MadGuyEric how is the QS working

    • @MadGuyEric
      @MadGuyEric 3 роки тому

      @@swargdhamsantaashram7235 Works smoothly after 3rd gear Since First Servicing is not yet done(need to cover more 400km for that :P). They said it will work like a charm after the first service.

  • @lonepiggy7709
    @lonepiggy7709 3 роки тому

    Wanted to buy adv 390. Seeing ur review, I must wait till it gets this kind of quick shift in ADV 390 just like dis duke.

  • @palashmathur9261
    @palashmathur9261 3 роки тому

    duke 390 bs6 the best bike in the segment

  • @Hacked12345-g
    @Hacked12345-g 3 роки тому +2

    Bro can we fit adventure 390 radiator on duke???

  • @alvinreji2801
    @alvinreji2801 3 роки тому

    you r the best

  • @avinashxandy372
    @avinashxandy372 2 роки тому

    Anna , which colour do you like in Duke 390

  • @Samir_khan390
    @Samir_khan390 3 роки тому

    Dino sir,
    Can u plz help me i got my duke 390 bs6 in june 2020 quick shifter is not working good so know ktm will do something with those bike's which has quick shifter problem bzc know from the company ktm solved that problem so wht will be the solution of those people who already purchased duke 390 bs6.!

  • @Taitea_____
    @Taitea_____ 3 роки тому +1

    6:40 Hondas new Duke 390 😅😂😂

  • @RajKishore-pc6gf
    @RajKishore-pc6gf 3 роки тому

    700k congratulations

  • @melanisticsoldier5816
    @melanisticsoldier5816 3 роки тому

    gonna have to justify the reason why i need this bike to my parents

  • @shaktisomadutt
    @shaktisomadutt 3 роки тому

    Quick shifter not working properly in my 390 adv . First service also done. Will the service center guy will update the software ?

  • @chrissorreda4982
    @chrissorreda4982 3 роки тому

    If you’re just looking for an up and down quick shifter, just get a power commander + up and down quick shifter?

  • @SlightlyPro_
    @SlightlyPro_ 3 роки тому

    I got my 390 in September. The quickshifter works but for some reason 3rd gear gets stuck now and then. The gear lever just doesn't budge. Could this be something that can be resolved through a software update?

  • @vaibhavthakur777
    @vaibhavthakur777 3 роки тому +3

    Want to see you soon with js paaji❤️❤️✨

  • @harshirle4649
    @harshirle4649 3 роки тому +3

    ❤️❤️🔥🔥✨ thanks

  • @ganesh0823ii
    @ganesh0823ii 3 роки тому +2

    Bro, please review 2021 ktm duke 125, it's already reached india showrooms..

  • @Ghostrider-sc3rx
    @Ghostrider-sc3rx 3 роки тому +1

    love your content dino bhai🔥🔥.. being unique in his own way...such a selfless man...❤️

  • @vickysam77
    @vickysam77 3 роки тому +1

    Duke 390 is freaking VFM beast🔥

  • @pravinshevade
    @pravinshevade 3 роки тому +1

    👍👍 I belive quick shifter is engaging clutch automatically before each gear change, like semi automatic cars with gear shifter without clutch..

    • @TechnicalBaatein2017
      @TechnicalBaatein2017 3 роки тому +3

      Nope, quickshifter actually cuts the engine automatically while changing gears

  • @Pr1yanuj
    @Pr1yanuj 3 роки тому

    Now I'm getting this baby for sure I was so confused... This video is very helpful thank you Dino god bless you

  • @hariharansj6115
    @hariharansj6115 3 роки тому +1

    Advance wishes for 700k❤️

  • @MA-gc2pc
    @MA-gc2pc 5 місяців тому

    so basically quickshifter+ makes bike to be automatic right haha?

  • @rohandas26
    @rohandas26 3 роки тому +1

    Sir how the old bs6 duke 390 quickshiftter will fix?

  • @chidanandbilagi3640
    @chidanandbilagi3640 3 роки тому +10

    Dino bhai how to make sure this has Updated quickshifter?

  • @velayuthamsubbiah8263
    @velayuthamsubbiah8263 3 роки тому

    Should we go for this or adv 250/390 coz of ground clearance issues .??

  • @06_racebump
    @06_racebump 3 роки тому

    It doesnt have the pressure sensor , so you cant shift like a superbike. it will always act abnormal in high revs.

  • @jamesdebbarma3036
    @jamesdebbarma3036 3 роки тому

    thankou sir you hard work for us

  • @venkatesh2081995
    @venkatesh2081995 3 роки тому +9

    Waiting for HONDA CB 350 review🙏

  • @deepukutty3695
    @deepukutty3695 3 роки тому +2

    What will be the use of the clutch now?
    Can we do this every time?

    • @harshaokin8064
      @harshaokin8064 3 роки тому +3

      You need it while taking the bike off start in 1st gear and sometimes to modulate it in certain situations. There's no way it can be omitted.

    • @MsRAJDIP
      @MsRAJDIP 3 роки тому +1

      In low rpm you need to engage clutch

  • @borntoride6436
    @borntoride6436 3 роки тому

    Which tyres is best for duke 390 & what aprox the cost of that tyres

  • @srsrinandhansr2651
    @srsrinandhansr2651 3 роки тому

    I wanna buy it but the ground clearance is stopping me from buying it
    Is it a real problem please tell me

  • @aashleydsouza3788
    @aashleydsouza3788 3 роки тому

    Hey sir which are those gloves alpinestars which model???