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  • Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
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    Welcome to the first match of the 2023 UA-cam Tournament series! Today we have Jack vs Clay. Jack is a high school senior set to play D1 tennis at Cal Poly SLO next year. Clay played at UCLA and reached a career high of #408 in the ATP rankings.
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  • @WinstonDu
    @WinstonDu  6 місяців тому +39

    Clay says at 10:04 that you have two chances to make one serve. Crazy way to think about the 2nd serve!

    • @CoachAdrian
      @CoachAdrian 6 місяців тому +4

      A lot of good servers have this mentality. They're not looking to just spin it in and double-faults don't scare them.

    • @majormajor9672
      @majormajor9672 6 місяців тому +2

      It's because he's up 40:0, and has a powerful and fairly reliable 1st serve. For him, if he makes 1st serve it could very well be an easy game point. My 1st serve is maybe 50% on a good day. I may still go for two 1st serves if I'm up 40:15 or 40:0, but my serve isn't big enough to win easy game point anyway.

    • @twinwankel
      @twinwankel 6 місяців тому

      Well you have to consider his competition. If Clay was playing a top 100 pro, I doubt he would have this mentality. Zverev can get 70% of his first serves in but he rarely uses two first serves. Clay wasn't pressured at all by Jack so why not bomb his second serve.

    • @omarmoataz
      @omarmoataz 6 місяців тому +1

      He can say that if he’s that tall. Shorter players don’t have that luxury.

    • @squirrelprooffeeder
      @squirrelprooffeeder 6 місяців тому +1

      Maxime Cressy is one example of this approach. Also a UCLA Bruin, incidentally. And, per @omarmoataz, tall. @@CoachAdrian

  • @whizaRS
    @whizaRS 6 місяців тому +253

    The only thing keeping me from going pro is my skill

    • @majesticaaa4131
      @majesticaaa4131 6 місяців тому +4

      🤯

    • @sayturn8510
      @sayturn8510 6 місяців тому +3

      Isn’t that the point?

    • @dpadron
      @dpadron 6 місяців тому +1

      😆

    • @kieranfarrell1656
      @kieranfarrell1656 6 місяців тому +16

      @@sayturn8510 its called a joke buddy

    • @thewizardofhomework
      @thewizardofhomework 6 місяців тому +10

      You are lucky, I’m missing cardio/power/size and a healthy neck and back and skill and motivation and confidence lol tennis is a cruel mistress

  • @daveo1150
    @daveo1150 6 місяців тому +21

    At 3:46 Jack called Clays return long it was clearly good. Clay is at another lvl.

    • @akimeinauge8466
      @akimeinauge8466 4 місяці тому +2

      I just saw it and wanted to know if someone else also saw it hahaha. Glad i‘m not the only one

  • @hding98
    @hding98 6 місяців тому +23

    Thrilled to watch this competitive match. Clay’s serve and consistency in everything was very impressive. Jack’s upbeat spirit was very inspiring too. Kudos to Winston for putting this exciting match together, and thanks to Jack and Clay for being crucial part of this wonderful event!

  • @TheRmm1976
    @TheRmm1976 6 місяців тому +32

    Clay's serve is ridiculous!! He's like the Isner of this channel, good luck returning those monster serves!

  • @jasonrowland1594
    @jasonrowland1594 6 місяців тому +28

    Great match between 2 great players. Clay is so difficult to play against with that serve, and how he seems to constantly change from topspin to flat balls in rallies. Some awesome prizes and more great content from Winston!

  • @surfyirfy7988
    @surfyirfy7988 6 місяців тому +6

    I love Clay on this channel, always excited to watch this stud play, a D1 legend

  • @gab_ale
    @gab_ale 6 місяців тому +21

    Winston bringing us a tourney. How the channel has grown. 😀

  • @BackoftheLineTennis
    @BackoftheLineTennis 6 місяців тому +17

    Solid stuff. Jack was doing well to get in points, but Clay is a beast. Especially that serve. Really good Winston.

  • @aimeed4268
    @aimeed4268 6 місяців тому +3

    Great Match Guys! Loved watching it. I just got moved up to a 3.5 and this inspires me to keep getting better. Clays serve is NASTY! I love his ability to go from huge top spin to flat ball and really throw of the timing of his opponent. Jack did great and I wish him all the luck in the world at CP!

  • @timvansamang
    @timvansamang 6 місяців тому +1

    This tournament is cool! Love this

  • @topbanana3413
    @topbanana3413 6 місяців тому +4

    Clay's technique looks so cool! Those long swings. I love that he swings so well. Nothing like those wristy modern forehands, but long beautiful strokes! Also his serve looks so fluent! Look great with that white racquet as well.

  • @elchanclascocina
    @elchanclascocina 6 місяців тому +17

    Clay has lost some fat since the first time he was in the channel, I believe he mentioned that was one of his goals, being fitter. His next match should be very interesting, haven't watched the other guy play but if he is playing now in UCLA and he got the bye... it will be a good match.

  • @DanTuber
    @DanTuber 6 місяців тому +7

    Jack did as good as he could. Clay's power is just levels ahead.

  • @tomcagle5324
    @tomcagle5324 6 місяців тому

    Another great matchup... thank you for hosting Winston. 👊Anyway to get your vid camera up higher to see the back baseline over the net top...makes easier to see ball bounce on far court. Maybe put tripod on portable platform? Apologies if you've previously addressed this...

  • @kkt391
    @kkt391 6 місяців тому +36

    Jack called 3:45 out!? Already accustomed to college tennis I see😂

    • @28mcavanaugh
      @28mcavanaugh 6 місяців тому +1

      Way in!

    • @BackoftheLineTennis
      @BackoftheLineTennis 6 місяців тому

      lol. My first thought too!

    • @topspin1715
      @topspin1715 6 місяців тому +5

      Sometimes it's hard to judge especially on fast shots, no luxury of slowing down footage or instant replay.

    • @silentxcure
      @silentxcure 6 місяців тому +1

      definitely in. but as for someone that is always generous with my calls, I've made untinentional bad calls as well.

    • @MarcoSolidx
      @MarcoSolidx 6 місяців тому

      Well, when you’re playing, besides you are moving you don’t have slow motion eyes. These type of shots are incredible hard to call

  • @LunarEclipsism1
    @LunarEclipsism1 6 місяців тому +22

    This matchup was a great lesson in the importance of weapons when you get beyond 5.0 NTRP/"high level" recreational tennis.
    Jack has no technical flaws in his game, he's great at constructing points, I think he even hit fewer unforced errors overall, has great footspeed, etc. But Clay's weapons are simply bigger. It's easier for Clay to inflict damage out of nowhere and it's very very hard for Jack to put real pressure on him with his own shots.

    • @davisappletv9931
      @davisappletv9931 6 місяців тому +4

      Well said!

    • @huntersnider9621
      @huntersnider9621 6 місяців тому +5

      Yup, and this is the big differentiating factor all the way up to top level imo. David Ferrer's an example of a guy who made his game literally about as good as he possibly could have, but ultimately hit his upper ceiling and could never consistently beat the guys with the biggest weapons, like the Big 3. The good news for all us scrubs in the comments is that we will never hit our upper ceiling where physical factors like height literally limit your capacity as a player.

    • @michaeljones4567
      @michaeljones4567 6 місяців тому

      Dan Evans I think is another example. People have told me the way David Ferrer constructs points is masterful, but I've never been able to work out what he's trying to do from watching his videos! @@huntersnider9621

    • @michaeljones4567
      @michaeljones4567 6 місяців тому +1

      I feel given tennis has slowed down so much over the last decade, rallying is just far too good a tactic if you want to win matches. However, I completely agree that by doing this you don't develop the weapons you need.

  • @aliashir8880
    @aliashir8880 6 місяців тому

    Very excited before and after the match 👏👏👏👏

  • @gabrielfernandez9792
    @gabrielfernandez9792 6 місяців тому +2

    Very entertaining match. I liked seeing Clay going for those serves, and going in for thos forehand winners. Jack put up a very real fight on his service games. looking forward to see Clay and Govind go at it. Will be rooting for Clay! Great entertainment, Winston. Thanks to both players and to Winston.

  • @genkisudo
    @genkisudo 6 місяців тому +1

    3:45 that was in dude... watched it in slo-mo too haha

  • @fretstain
    @fretstain 6 місяців тому +7

    Clay stands like a marvel super hero

  • @pbpwn
    @pbpwn 6 місяців тому +11

    3:45 was inside the baseline, not even close to out

    • @stevenjm12
      @stevenjm12 6 місяців тому +4

      everyone makes mistakes

    • @pbpwn
      @pbpwn 6 місяців тому +4

      @@stevenjm12 of course and I don’t think it was an intentional bad call. But for me if it’s that close or aren’t sure it should default to be called in

    • @finnishinsider1569
      @finnishinsider1569 6 місяців тому

      9:46 lol

  • @Belinera
    @Belinera 6 місяців тому +2

    Love that this is a tourney, sponsored by UTR no less! Excellent news. I think Jack played really well here, it's just that Clay is a certified monster. Serve/return are real game changers and Clay can switch between topsin and flat so easily, hard to play against.

  • @sayles7858
    @sayles7858 6 місяців тому

    Gotta love this. Awesome content Winston

  • @aztecterp
    @aztecterp 6 місяців тому

    This was very good tennis! I like how both players are humble, especially Clay, for all his accomplishments. Onereally cool factor differentiating theseathletesfromcasualplayersis their ability to play difficult balls and stay in the point. More tournaments please! Maybe even for old guys like me 😊

  • @Boardupman
    @Boardupman 6 місяців тому

    Amazing play. Great match.

  • @aubreytraverse.
    @aubreytraverse. 6 місяців тому +2

    Always a good day when Winston uploads!

  • @evanphotography5149
    @evanphotography5149 5 місяців тому

    I love the channel and I enjoy watching Clay serving!

  • @FrankThehumanitarian
    @FrankThehumanitarian 6 місяців тому

    love this idea for a tournament! excited to see how it plays out

  • @OdinsMonkey
    @OdinsMonkey 6 місяців тому +1

    incredible tennis content!!

  • @cks2020693
    @cks2020693 6 місяців тому +2

    insane top-spin with deep placement, and unbreakable first serves

  • @stevehong2212
    @stevehong2212 6 місяців тому

    Looking forward to this tourney! Big ups to Jack for competing out there.

  • @kestonsoldschoolcomicbooks6842
    @kestonsoldschoolcomicbooks6842 6 місяців тому

    Love this!

  • @ASRZ.
    @ASRZ. 6 місяців тому

    This is awesome man. TOP 5 CHANNEL ON UA-cam

  • @-Munditimum-
    @-Munditimum- 6 місяців тому

    Some serious tennis here. Jack did amazing, and Clay is just a beast. IMHO Jack should take this seriously and in a couple of years try ITFs. Clay should still be in the ATP rankings.
    Looking forward to the next!!
    Thanks Winston as always.
    M

  • @tashabandack2
    @tashabandack2 6 місяців тому

    That was awesome!

  • @hehehehehahahaha2025
    @hehehehehahahaha2025 6 місяців тому +2

    That serve looks monstrous (in a good way) from court level POV. Would like to know the avg speed of Clay's 1st serve.

  • @BrianTylerComposer
    @BrianTylerComposer 6 місяців тому

    i went to CDM HS too and UCLA. Look at that! let's go Sea Kings and Bruins

  • @AdamLischinsky
    @AdamLischinsky 6 місяців тому +6

    Govind is getting pretty good - took a set off Learner Tien, who's #450 in the world and lost 6-2, 7-5, 6-1 to Tiafoe in the US Open

    • @davidcane8011
      @davidcane8011 6 місяців тому +1

      Govind was actually up to around 330 last year...

    • @dpadron
      @dpadron 6 місяців тому

      What year of the US Open?

  • @maxgluteus4263
    @maxgluteus4263 6 місяців тому

    Clays pose during intro is awesome! Should be on cover of tennis magazine or tennis game avatar

  • @medwinsusilo7064
    @medwinsusilo7064 6 місяців тому

    definitely high class tennis.. good job !

  • @tugloo1
    @tugloo1 6 місяців тому +2

    The point at 3:42 felt like a hook. I slowed it to 0.25 and it was way inside the line.

  • @rounick28
    @rounick28 6 місяців тому +1

    3:45 steal :)

  • @nguyen925
    @nguyen925 6 місяців тому +1

    I think Clay's deep topspin and his booming serve took its toll on Jack. Can't wait to see Clay and Karue! Maybe... 🎉😮

  • @twinwankel
    @twinwankel 6 місяців тому +2

    Pretty strong beat down administered by Clay. I thought his return of serve was the difference in the match. Clay didn't have any problems with Jack's serve. And when you can't hold serve, you lose badly. To get to Clay's level, Jack will have to improve his serve greatly.

  • @ronm7114
    @ronm7114 6 місяців тому

    Clay cleaned up a lot. Keep it up champ.

  • @samopenossam55
    @samopenossam55 6 місяців тому

    Clay serve is so good and returning is good too, solid flat returns deep almost every time

  • @MattHollandOfficial
    @MattHollandOfficial 6 місяців тому

    Hey Winston, i had a question for Clay and im curious if you had discussed it at all with him or know the answer.
    How did Clay decide to play with the Technifiber Triax string? I rarely ever hear about pro or elite level tennis players using multifilament strings. Did Clay have some elbow problems that caused him to switch over to playing with a multifilament?
    With tje way he hits the ball, I'm shocked he doesnt break the Triax string within 1 hour of hitting.
    Also id expect him to more spin and control with Poly? Curious to hear your thoughts on it.

  • @farid1406
    @farid1406 6 місяців тому +1

    Clay's grunts are almost therapeutic.

  • @Isaac-qg4sh
    @Isaac-qg4sh 6 місяців тому

    Nice match! How tall is clay?

  • @ToiletCarnage
    @ToiletCarnage 6 місяців тому

    the net clearance that clay gets on those forehands really shows the difference to me. he's hitting HEAVY with like 6-8 ft of net clearance on a lot of shots. obviously the serve too.
    bet it feels like hitting a medicine ball returning those forehands after a set or two.

  • @LocalTennisSessionsAustr-oo6xs
    @LocalTennisSessionsAustr-oo6xs 6 місяців тому +2

    Great match. I noticed Clay made most his mistakes from lower balls, especially slice balls that he had to run forward for. That serve was fire! Jack did really well. Keep it up youngster. Winston, still waiting on an underarm ace on this channel!

  • @RaphaClassic
    @RaphaClassic 6 місяців тому

    Clay hits the ball so clean 👌💪 amazing

  • @joniozq
    @joniozq 6 місяців тому +1

    What's the chalk that Clay has on his hand? Is it just to keep his hand dry and keep the racquet from slipping?

    • @WinstonDu
      @WinstonDu  6 місяців тому +1

      yes it's chalk for better grip

  • @elvistrumpet
    @elvistrumpet 6 місяців тому +1

    Clay with the light skin stare at the beginning😂😂

  • @oleksiimarkovskyi7458
    @oleksiimarkovskyi7458 6 місяців тому

    3:42 the second point of the set it was clearly in!!!

  • @user-qd4py9zx6v
    @user-qd4py9zx6v Місяць тому

    The string tension is insane lol

  • @kristopheraure
    @kristopheraure 6 місяців тому

    Winston, I live in the So-Cal area and would love to play you one day!

  • @dpadron
    @dpadron 6 місяців тому +2

    Govind and Karue have a bye? Come on Winston, you could have played one of them 😁. Exciting match Winston, when are the next ones?

    • @WinstonDu
      @WinstonDu  6 місяців тому +5

      we've all seen how that goes already haha

  • @TheDanieloro
    @TheDanieloro 6 місяців тому +3

    Clay's serve and backhand are just too good for anybody below 12/12.50 UTR to deal with. This could've been even more lopsided except for a few loose errors coming from Clay

  • @dano2953
    @dano2953 6 місяців тому

    Every Episode with Clay is TOP!!!!!! Lets go!

  • @dthorne4602
    @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому +1

    Jack is very generous with line calls. Good sport.

    • @mskcrc
      @mskcrc 6 місяців тому +2

      The 2nd point of the match was a hook...

    • @michaeljones4567
      @michaeljones4567 6 місяців тому

      Haha I swear the 2nd point of the match, 3:45 is in and he calls it out! I haven't watched the whole video though.

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      ​@@michaeljones4567 nah, ball definitely long on that point.

    • @MyMostBeautifuCinema
      @MyMostBeautifuCinema 6 місяців тому

      @@dthorne4602I played it at .25 speed, not only in but inside the line.

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      @@MyMostBeautifuCinema lol. You probably spent way too much time worrying about that call. Wow.

  • @dayostical
    @dayostical 6 місяців тому +1

    We definitely need a Karue/Clay matchup, although they'd both have to reach the final.

    • @WinstonDu
      @WinstonDu  6 місяців тому +2

      they already played a match on the channel

  • @seanbinder8316
    @seanbinder8316 6 місяців тому

    Clays serve 😮😮😮

  • @ayokay123
    @ayokay123 6 місяців тому

    Some scary talent here, especially Clay. As Jack grows taller and gains more experience, look out.

  • @hamzaa.8082
    @hamzaa.8082 6 місяців тому

    3:45 it was in!

  • @michallusovsky720
    @michallusovsky720 6 місяців тому

    3:46 already using the college calls

  • @ivanalmeidabaifca
    @ivanalmeidabaifca 6 місяців тому +1

    Anyone will love the hero's pose done by Clay on the intro.

  • @ReyYbarra
    @ReyYbarra 6 місяців тому

    Insanity! Clay is so nonchalant lol it’s hilarious

  • @ariannasser2385
    @ariannasser2385 6 місяців тому +1

    that second serve return 3:40 was clearly in...

  • @jeanpauljeanpaul2530
    @jeanpauljeanpaul2530 6 місяців тому +2

    Clay looks like a real athlete. I wonder how this will work out.

    • @dpadron
      @dpadron 6 місяців тому +1

      Exactly, Karue does have real competition to win this thing.

  • @charlesahweyevu
    @charlesahweyevu 6 місяців тому

    I'm absolutely loving this winston league lol

  • @akbarberlian
    @akbarberlian 6 місяців тому +1

    Clay Thompson plays with a multi? Wow

  • @gandola362
    @gandola362 6 місяців тому

    clay's serve technique remind me of nicolas jarry , so similar

  • @shabzone
    @shabzone 6 місяців тому +1

    3:45 the entire ball was inside the line

  • @finnishinsider1569
    @finnishinsider1569 6 місяців тому

    9:46?! 😂😂

  • @bzo218
    @bzo218 6 місяців тому

    Crazy how Clay sweats outside in

  • @MrMolsons
    @MrMolsons 6 місяців тому

    Clays serve is crazy good...

  • @jakstrike1
    @jakstrike1 6 місяців тому +1

    The physical difference is pretty obvious when theyre standing next to each other! Jack could do with filling out a little and adding another six inches 😂

  • @CoachAdrian
    @CoachAdrian 6 місяців тому

    Nice matchup! 👍 I think Jack played well and hung in there. It would be interesting to see a 2 out of 3 set match here. If Clay's level dropped a bit or starts missing his serve, Jack could've had chance for an upset

  • @RollinLeonard
    @RollinLeonard 6 місяців тому

    Clay is a god. I want to see Clay vs Karue.

  • @ianwilkinson7889
    @ianwilkinson7889 6 місяців тому

    Clay is a tennis Chad. 😆

  • @andrewharris1604
    @andrewharris1604 6 місяців тому +1

    9:46 klay called it out, looked like it hit the line. Thoughts?

  • @RonnieJamesOsbourne
    @RonnieJamesOsbourne 6 місяців тому +1

    With Clay's UTR,
    how come, Govind got the 1st round bye?

    • @WinstonDu
      @WinstonDu  6 місяців тому

      govind's rating is deflated now because of injury this year

  • @maxschmidt6539
    @maxschmidt6539 6 місяців тому +1

    Terrible call on that 0-15 point at the start from Jack😂

  • @JH-bb8in
    @JH-bb8in 6 місяців тому

    I am looking forward to Gorvind vs Clay. I'm guessing 9-8 Gorvind (tie breaker)

  • @stevearnott7753
    @stevearnott7753 5 місяців тому

    Clay’s shots are consistently deeper than Jack’s. Jack will get better once he’s immersed in division one Tennis.

  • @sharto9618
    @sharto9618 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm actually amazed Clay strings at 39 pounds for a multi.......I don't know how he doesn't launch every ball long with that setup

    • @rbarreira2
      @rbarreira2 2 місяці тому

      The string he uses has poly mixed in it (Tecnifibre Triax) and it's also a thick gauge according to what he said, so it isn't that crazy.

  • @SpringFirework
    @SpringFirework 6 місяців тому +3

    there were a lot of questionable calls 3:45 9:46 10:53 11:57

  • @markj6302
    @markj6302 6 місяців тому

    wow a bet against Hermont - the beast who was undefeated until he ran into Karue / Clay (fair enough too as theyre ex pros!)

  • @PizzaPartify
    @PizzaPartify 6 місяців тому

    Damn Clay looks like if Solid Snake retired and played tennis and modeled on the side

  • @davidcane8011
    @davidcane8011 6 місяців тому +2

    First?
    Well, since I am commenting before the video is actually visible, I'll try a prediction: 8-2 or 8-3 Thompson.

  • @mrpog5620
    @mrpog5620 6 місяців тому

    Clay is so good.

  • @dthorne4602
    @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому +1

    Clay commits major foot faults on his deuce court second serves. Try around 9:30 for a good example.

    • @davidcane8011
      @davidcane8011 6 місяців тому +1

      True. Back foot way past center service line.

  • @grimson
    @grimson 6 місяців тому +3

    Man the levels of tennis are crazy. Winston is really good, he would totally destroy me. But Jack would destroy Winston. And Clay handled Jack pretty comfortably.

    • @davidcane8011
      @davidcane8011 6 місяців тому

      ... and Clay wouldn't stand chance against a low level ATP guy.

    • @dpadron
      @dpadron 6 місяців тому +3

      Clay is ATP level, just that he is not currently training as such.

    • @davidcane8011
      @davidcane8011 6 місяців тому

      @@dpadron sorry but no, he is not. By ATP level I mean guys who play regularly on the ATP tour, namely top 100/120. Clay at his best wasn't even top 400, which means he wasn't even a legit challenger level player, but rather a futures player. Indeed, his professional record shows that's the only level where he had some real success, whereas at challenger level, other than the odd run, he was almost always knocked out in qualifying or first round. Not mention the ATP level, where he never even won a single set (in fact, he only played one match, thanks to a hometown wild card). By the way, this wasn't meant as a diss - Clay seems like a really cool dude and obviously he is an exceptional tennis player: if you know the game, you're aware that to be even in the top 1000, you have to be an absolute alien. But the original comment was about "the levels of tennis", and I was just making the point that there are a number of levels above Clay's (already superlative) level.

    • @dpadron
      @dpadron 6 місяців тому

      @@davidcane8011 Ok, so a "low level ATP guy" for you is one ranked around 100-120? Ok, then I just laugh 😄 and agree with you. I don't think Clay could beat that "low level" player. But just for your reference, ATP rankings go all the way to two thousand. I can't imagine what kind of low level is that. 🤔

  • @Charmander009
    @Charmander009 6 місяців тому

    Great match. I want to see clay vs that Indian pro I forgot his name. And if the Indian guy beats him, then I want to see that Indian guy vs that cru guy ,the one that beat Clay

  • @EdgewoodTennis
    @EdgewoodTennis 6 місяців тому

    Clay serves 3 aces in first game...damn.

  • @fwcustoms5997
    @fwcustoms5997 6 місяців тому

    fight we fight clay Thompson legend

  • @svarodzic
    @svarodzic 6 місяців тому

    I am glad to see that even a former ATP #408 makes mistake that I do! )))))

  • @spc95
    @spc95 6 місяців тому +1

    No one commenting on the 39lbs tension from Clay. He seems to generate so much power with that! Anyone tried that low?

    • @mskcrc
      @mskcrc 6 місяців тому +2

      Yes, and it rules. Strung my VCORE Pro 97 at 38# and it was a spin and pace machine.