Why I Use an Edge Pro
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Many people have asked why I use an Edge Pro as opposed to a KME or Wicked Edge. Hopefully this will answer some of your questions. This was totally unscripted, so I might have missed something.
Anyways, thanks for watching. I'll do a video on why I don't use a Wicked Edge at some point, since that's highly requested too.
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I purchased an Apex in 2016 after seeing the edges it was giving compared to the Work Sharp. At the time my limited knowledge of truly sharp knives made me think the Work Sharp was the pinnacle. TheApostleP did a video called, "bad knife sharpening what did that knife do to you?" which finally threw me to buy an Apex. After 3 years of owning it and oddly enough a lot of trail and error, for some reasons some knives would come out so good I never wanted to use them again and others would have rounded tips or the bevel was huge, things which I've since polished out of my technique, I told myself that in early 2019 I'd get a Professional model... It arrived last week and so far I am just a completely satisfied customer. I also over the course of three weeks (three pay checks) purchased the 220, 320, 500, 1000, 4000, 8000 and 16000K Shapton glass stones for the Edge Pro and they are insanely good. I honestly feel like I have my perfect kit now.
Side fun note... In December of 2018 I quit my job at an aerospace company of 5 years and took that month off... In January of 2019 I quickly landed nearly the exact same type of job at a local machining company. On my first day I started noticing parts that looked REALLY familiar to me. Within an hour of my first day I noticed that the company I work for does literally ALL the machining work for the Wicked Edge... I just was laughing at the odds of someone like me landing a job like that. So... I get to stare at rows and rows of Wicked Edge's (minus the stones, they come from another place) being assembled and machined,, but EVEN with that I much prefer my Edge Pro.
MidnightSundowns What's the difference between the Apex and the Pro model?
Also did you consider the Tormek T4?
Literally for the past 5+ years I keep debating, reading and trying to decide now between the Tormek T4 & Edge Pro.
I've have the KME and hated it, had the Worksharp Ken Onion and hated it as well.
Have the Spyderco Sharpmaker and it's well... so so on maintaining an already sharp edge.
I've also looked at many other sharpeners like the House of Blades belt sharpener and the AME belt sharpener but I don't like the fact of for 1) fine metal dust in the air and have to wear a respirator and 2) the beveled rounded edge belt sharpeners produce VS. a true flat edge that stones produce.
With the Tormek the metal dust is trapped in the water and with the Edge Pro metal dust isn't really an issue because of the slow speed.
I'm using the Hapstone V6 and the 3 point guide is awesome! I was also going to say that Gritomatic has a huge stone selection for the Edge Pro and KME. I have modified an Edge Pro Small Knife Attachment for use on the V6. One thing I would like to add about the Wicked Edge: it's advised to use the Tormek small knife adapter for narrow blades. It introduces all kinds of flex which causes multifacets. I have zero problems sharpening a Case Trapper with the Small Knife attachment.
The adjustment you mentioned at 12:00 should not be the full bevel angle reading. The angle cube reading relative to the platform is the full bevel angle. Let's say that you lay a flat grind blade on the platform and you use the angle cube and you get a reading of 4 degrees. The adjustment you have to make should be 1/2 of the total reading, i.e. the adjustment should only be 2 degrees in this case.
Great explanation of your opinions. That skill is becoming more rare each year.
I have the EP Apex but was developing a wandering eye and considering other systems. You have me back on track, and saving up for the Professional model. I appreciate the heads up on aftermarket accessories too. I was going to order directly from Edge Pro (where I bought my Apex) but will now flesh out my grit selection using the power of the internet. ;)
Fantastic content. Thanks for making this.
Using the stone arm adjustment is easy. The two screws closest to you adjust the ramp height (needs to be adjustable as stone thicknesses vary). The single screw locks it in. It is that easy.
I have a KME. It has taken a while to learn how to use it well. I have been happy with the results. I think all systems will work. It does come down to preference.
Yeah, me to. For my purposes (almost all knives under 6 inches) it's fine and the floating clamp even makes full flat grinds basically a non issue but if I was running a service I'd want something versatile enough to handle larger and more oddball edge profiles.
It should also be noted that you can get Shapton Glass, Chosera, Spyderco, and a variety of other natural and synthetic stones for the KME from places like Gritomatic, Jende, and Amazon.
I like Edge Pro and Work Sharp because you can adjust the knife angle so that the abrasive is perpendicular to the edge. Lansky, KME, and Wicked Edge will have slight (probably inconsequential) variation in bevel angle. Honorable mention goes to whetstones if you really like to freestyle.
The KME clamp does FFG blades really well
That’s what I’ve heard haven’t seen many people complain about ffgs on a kme ive heard about complaints on wicked edges though
@@bp-hx9ts The back of clamp is not fixed (floats). It woks good on Spyderco. The smaller clamps of the TSPROF Blitz work by cranking them down independently along the length of the blade. I like the clamping systems for setting the bevel even. Free hand is faster by a lot when just getting the knife sharp is the goal. : )
With the KME there's 2 screws with the clamp. You adjust the screws so it clamps flat on flats
Debating on which sharpening system to get. This seems vastly more inconsistent than the KME. Wouldn't the fact that the knife isn't fixed change the angle due to it moving "in or out" of the path of the stones? "Flexibility" seems like a very bad thing. Not very experienced obviously, just stating what I'm thinking.
Edge pro apex can sharpen axe and much more maybe thats what he refer as flexibility
For personal shopping at home . Do you think the apex will suffice ?
I’d love to see an apex video as wel
Awesome video, really enjoyed it. I do agree that the EP is much better with the variety, but I still prefer the KME. I have a WE right now and I sold the KME for it.
BIG. MISTAKE.
The wicked edge is nice but it has so many downfalls. KME is better if you ask me. I would really really love to see a video on why you don't like the Wicked Edge. I am very curious to know.
And again, nice video man. Have a good one.
Torling really many people say a wicked edge is better I like the kmes design better I’m curious what you think is bad about the wicked edge
I agree with you. I had a pretty nicely specc'd WE to upgrade from my KME and while impressive, it didn't over any real functionality over the KME when it came to pocket knives (which is the vast majority of what I sharpen).
Lol, Nutnfancy's video is what got me to purchase the Epa
Hi, I have a KME with the Lapping film kit. The TSPROF Blitz 30 uses the 1 x 6 Edge Pro stones.
Do you know where the finer grit tapes can be had. Edge Pro has 2,000, 3,000, 6,000
KME goes all the way to 160,000 or .1 micron. Thanks for the video. : )
I am sorry but I may have missed when you were talking about different manufacturer’s stones I didn’t catch if you said there were others that fit the Edge Pro system. Please advise if any are available and if so links for them will be appreciated. Thank you.
I bought the edge pro and i didnt realize how much plastic it was made out of overtime the plastic will wear faster and also be inconsistent so i returned it.
SpadeKnifeWorks what are your thoughts on the TSPROF? Also I look forward to your videos you have a wealth of sharpening knowledge.
Hadn't heard of that sharpener! It looks sort of like the design of the edge pro with a fixture inspired by the KME. I've never handled one, so that's about all I can tell you.
It has a table attachment that looks very similar to the Edge Pro small knife attachment. Definitely an interesting looking sharpener.
I have had an EP pro since about 2010, and now in 2021 have just bought the TSPROF K03
In regard to Spadeworks comment on Full grind knives and clamps, the TSPROF sprung clamps gets around that issue, by having a clamp angle adjusting screw at the back... so you spread the back of the clamp, an it pushes the tips of the clamps, into the same angle as the full grind angle, so you get full contact on the full grind.
The metal ramp on the sprung stone clamp, a fiddle to adjust, but i think it is great, allows you to sharpen from ‘beyond’ the stone , just needs careful adjustment of the silver ramp height.
@@npaisnel How do you like the TSProf K03 as compared to the Edge Pro Professional sharpener?
Pros and Cons of each?
I have no guided systems yet but really want to get the Edge Pro Professional seen here. I think I'd prefer the table system over a clampimg system but I obviously haven't used both to give an informed opinion on what works best for me.
Thanks in advance for sharing!
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I’d like to say I prefer the Edge Pro, simply because their customer service is the best of any company out there. You speak with Ben & Cody directly, they build the systems, and you get an answer within the day. TSPROF can take forever on e-mail... but get hold of Marina on their direct TSPROF.com website and you can chat live.
The clamping and rotating is really convenient, far more accurate for consistency...for blades that have a flat surface, unless you get the clamp adjusted correctly, as the guy above talks about in this video... but maybe he had not tried the spring clamps that help in clamping a full flat grind blade.
I’ve had my Edge Pro for 12 or more years... and still find keeping angle consistent on blades with a flat, like a Buck 110, a pain... But big flat blades on the EP are great.
All of the aftermarket stones etc he talks about for the Edge Pro, also fit the TSPROF.
Advantage of non clamping system is that you can test the edge on your arm hair or piece of paper as you sharpen. With blade clamped in a clamp system, not so easy and you really do not want to be taking blade out, then the hassle of putting if back exactly the same place.
Any clamp system has to be a compromise on best place to clamp the knife, to get consistency of angle along the edge and around the curve.
With the Edge Pro, you move the blade along and follow the curve of the blade, so the cutting edge is always at the same angle to the stone. Not 100 % possible with a clamp, you can get close enough, but it won’t be EXACTLY the same down to fractions of a degree.... but then again, you can say the same about the Edge Pro... or any table system... as the angle relies on you moving the knife constantly. And .... if you stop sharpening a particular knife... phone goes... doorbell ring... you need a coffee/beer etc... you are liable to come back and be sitting / standing holding the knife differently, so you don’t get the same angle again, same movement as you slide the blade ‘around the corner’ of the blade curve/table edge. With a clamp system... blade is exactly where you left it.
Very very fractionally in accurate in angle along the blade, around the curve BUT it is consistent for that sharpening, as long as you leave it clamped...Go away from the job for two weeks... still the same angle. BUT if you have to clamp it again second time you sharpen it... getting it clamped the same is not really possible...unless you take measurements/notes/photos of each blade in the clamp...
On a long sharpening.. very dull blade, it can get tedious holding the knife exactly on the table.
If I had to buy just ONE again... it would be difficult choice. Probably the K03. it is big heavy system, but NOT as industrial as some reviewers have you believe... it is not ‘Bridgeport Milling Machine , or even HarborFreight /Sealey lathe solid ... but it is good
If you can join some of the FaceBook Sharpening-groups, like Edge Snobs,, Guided Sharpeners etc, see if any one local has one of any you can go and try. Visit a knife show if there is anything like that in your country/ area.
Ultimately I’d like to design / build my own... but that is long term ...
Plenty of space and money... get one of each.
Why you prefer this system over the Tormek T4?
You need to review the Edge Pro Professional video because you don't know how the ramp system works. It needs to flush with the stone and at the same level. It is very easy to use and is explained in the aforementioned video.
Can you share your process for sharpening the 940 especially on the heel. Thanks
I really hate the fact that my Apex came with one "broken" suction cup and the other isn't enough to keep it down. I have the glass leveling circle as well. But it moves the second I go to make a stroke. It wobbles all over the place. I push it up to the edge of the rubber ring on the leveling glass and it works...but it's still a pain in the ass.
Kit Tihonovich Use a little bit of water for more suction on the glass. Contact Cody at Edge Pro about your damaged suction cup. Their customer service is great!
Call Edge Pro, I am sure they would take care of it.
I’m curious what you think of using the various edge pro strops, vs. freehand stropping. It seems like even the most hard-core EP users still prefer freehand stropping.
TubieMcTubington I definitely prefer freehand. Edge pro strops are convenient, but they get torn up quickly.
ever used a belted system like the worksharp?
Hapstone system??? Has rare earth magnet and uses Edgepro stones.
I just don’t like how the blade isn’t fixed in position.
It looks like to me the backside of your knife on the table will get severely scratched up from diamond dust particles also as the video kept going I noticed it getting looser from the wood table i’ll take the wicked edge all day
He tapes his blades and the glass base prevents the movement of the device. I wanted a wicked edge but I got a really good deal on an apex.
ben dale took decades to develope his system, usualy the first is best, i learned that. he took the idea that clamps systems can be dangerous, , i mean if you get bothered by a ohone call or kids and accidentally bang into the knife, not good and can't happen with edge pro, you can move the knife to almost any blade length and you dont need muscle power holding it in place one hand holds the knife and the had that hods the stone rod all ballences, i went and bought he same thing grittomatic from russia, and is good but i keep going back to my edge pro
Gawd, if you opened that knife one more time!!!
I think at this point we can all agree, fuck Nutnfancy
How many times can you really flip that blade in and out in a single video!!! Apparently you have an addiction to that sound!! So distracting!!!
Because you haven’t used a paper wheel
have you tried any of the spyderco ceramic stones on the edge pro or know of anything similar, im not a fan of having to always soak and wet the stones and then worry about keeping them level and buying specific supplies for that procedure
I have used Spyderco Ceramics. They cut slowly but work on every steel I've tried.. The medium shows very, very slow wear. Like, only an issue after years of constant use. The fine and ultra fine show no wear from what i can tell. The ultra fine puts a very fine polish on edges.
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Blah Blah Blah. You never show it in use.