I get that they cheated in the premier league so should be punished in the premier league. BUT cheating in the premier league made them stronger for the championship and gave them an unfair advantage. Then again, maybe that’s just me being a Leeds fan 😂
@@mack983 Pretty sure breaking PRS leads to points deductions, not forcing you to sell players. Leicester did downsize their squad anyway, as stated in the video, losing hugely importantly players like Maddison, Barnes, Tielemans, Evans, Castagne, Soyuncu, Perez, Tete, Mendy and Amartey, while the likes of Soumare, Thomas and Kristiansen were send on out on loan to get their wages off the books. Even with this, they were too good for the Championship.
As a Rams fan totally neutral even though we were deducted 21 points and ended up in league 1 two years ago. No argument as our owner at the time was a crook. What baffles me is how Man City get away with blue murder and the Gunners would have got the title last season. The best and most expensive lawyers or not the P/L is giving Man City too much slack. The EFL stick by the rule book, different league or not the same rules should apply to all 92 clubs.
Everton with a ten point deduction still managed to finish 15. I’m sorry but there is no deterrent now for cheaters I mean the epl could’ve took 20 points off Everton and they still would be safe. Basically do whatever you want to get the best players break the rules because you’ll be fine. The whole thing is a joke. The only way to deter cheaters is to relegate them.
That’s because Everton won more points and took the punishment given to them unlike some clubs who run away from the dock and like Leeds who couldn’t even finish above Ipswich 😂😢
@@agentancelotti2985 they got more points because of the cheating therefore the punishment wasnt enough , they didnt take the punishment they were given they appealed ,,
@@agentancelotti2985 obviously this was just an opportunity to slag Leeds off for you. Fair enough Leeds weren’t good enough. Still doesn’t take away that clubs can cheat and get a slap on the wrists does it. Make your comment relevant. Don’t make a nonsensical comment just because you seen Leeds in my name 🤦♂️
What would happen if Leicester broke the rules in the championship and then got promoted to the premier league and staying there for 20 yes so could not be by there own rules be punished
A few points...deduced Why does the PL have different rules to the rest of English Football?... it's ludicrous, AND harming our National sport to the detriment of the other 72x league clubs. It's all making it up as they go along just to protect their own arses. I earn say, £25k/year. £500+ for a season ticket at my local club (2% of my earnings?) To watch someone on £25k/week (52x my wage) sit on the chuffing bench?... Liverpool fans complain at the weekend about how far away the trip to Norwich is, before jetting off to Fenerbache on the Wednesday. Cup competitions with different VAR rules depending on who you get drawn against? English Football is broken badly, but that's ok....these "big" clubs earn more from Asian TV than they do their own local fans (which costs policing every week) Conclusion: If it carries on down its current path, football will soon be relegated to the wireless, for me. It is no longer the game I fell in love with when I was young and the changes since PL are not for the benefit of fair competition. As much as I love Football...from a sports fanatics point of view? The Ice Hockey 120 miles away (Nottingham) is looking REALLY tempting right now... Competitive sport Competitive pricing Family fun Go Panthers!!
Agreed. Most likely get more income from flogging shirts to fans in Asia along with the tv deals. Since the prem was introduced the game has become more about who has the most cash and will always be about the big 5 or 6 if you count Spurs. Don't agree with a super league but maybe the only chance for other teams to compete for the title?
@@joeblyth8076 To be honest I am not certain what the current rules are, as they seem to have altered quite a bit. With the level of income that a PL club receives, with parachute payments to follow, I am not sure if any club could technically go into Administration whilst in the PL
Man city are facing hundreds but as usual they are untouchable but smaller teams are always under the cosh we're getting hammered in the prem so it's done
It's quite clear to me that the squad of Leicester in 22/23 season deliberately stopped playing for their Manager and therefore they also betrayed the clubs fan base! Leicester city squad was simply too good to go down. But they soon jumped ship after the relegation
When Leeds got relegated, the three teams that finished directly above them had all overspent (Leicester, Everton and Forest) and gained an unfair advantage. It's impossible to quantify how big that advantage was so why not make the rule easy for all concerned. For every £1 million pound you overspend you get deducted one point. And the accounts must be submitted once the season is over so that points deductions can be made immediately.
Utter garbage when Forest survived we were a club that were promoted after 23 years away from the top flight, with a squad of loan players and one that needed to be improved when those players left ,just to be competitive ,while Leeds were a premier league club who had been in the top flight for a few seasons. Take it you are still bitter that you are still in the Championship with a owner who as no ambition, otherwise he would have spent money to keep you in the top flight
When you got relegated we had not overspent, it was only because we did not sell Johnson before June 30th last year so was not able to be within the spending limit that year. That had nothing to do with Leeds getting relegated and plus you would have had a higher spending limit than us as we just got promoted that season.
When enough time has passed since the rules were written, there is no such thing as an unintended consequence. The has been plenty of opportunity to fix league rules P&S rules, the offside rule, VAR, and everything else. The people in charge have chosen not to. All consequences are therefore very much by design.
The whole thing is a joke. Either sanction properly with hefty penalties or don’t bother. People banging on about City’s 115 are comparing apples and pears. It’s becoming clearer that City previously voiced concern that the rules being applied were illegal under UK law so it’ll be no surprise if the charges don’t get proven. Further the fact that Leicester can escape penalty by citing not being under the jurisdiction of the organisation under which they broke the rules is a further folly and reflects how incompetent the rule makers are or they’re just corrupt creating a protectionist regime. The ESL was defeated before. It’ll rear its head again and will be inevitable because these pricks running the game are only interested in power and money lining one another’s pockets.
As a Leicester fan feels like somewhere 6-8 is likely. If that had been 6 in the Champ then wed have gone up anyway so we may end up worse off this way. Would disahree about pur budgeting too. We spent heavily on wages and manager and seemed to need a CL spot to make it feasible. CAS ruling on Man City certainly didnt help but we didn't pivot fast enough after that.
Everyboby calls us "cheats" , but ,how stupid is it to allow teams to lose 105 million over 3 years,and not have zero debts at the end of every season !
If it's 10+ points deduction ... Foxes welcome back to the Championship Although i hate Championship new promoted sides getting Relegating straight away
if a team break's the rules then regardless of which ever league you are in then the point's should be deducted at source.if Leicester had been found to have been at fault then the point's should have been deducted before they had been promoted.if that had been done then maybe they wouldn't have been promoted.
They were the sporting winners because they operated on she string and finished above two clubs that had some of the highest wages bills the division has ever seen.
Leicester overspent, ignored all the rules and continued to sign players for big money while their rivals stuck to rules, they ended up being promoted first time, and you ask should we feel sympathy for them? 😂 Hell no, my team has been royally screwed by them, first we got relegated while all 3 teams above us broke the rules(Leicester, Everton, Forest) and now denied automatic by a team still not following the rules and we'll now have to sell all our best players due to it. Also 95% of fan bases could only dream of the last 10 years that Leicester fans have had.
Bit of a contradiction - you say Leicester's rivals stuck to the rules, then admitted that Everton and Forest broke the rules, which is part of the reason Leicester went down.
@jezwaters2773 Since Leicester went down anyway, how does their breaking the rules "screw" Leeds? Everton and Forest, yes, but not Leicester. Makes no sense however you cut it and is based in bitterness from their own failure this season, when they were beaten to promotion by a club from League 1 and then beaten in the play-offs by team you admit didn't cheat.
@@darkwebonline2124 Your much stronger than you should be and kept spending big money on players this season, if you stuck to the rules, you'd have been forced to sell many more players and wouldn't have been signing players like Harry Winks for £10 million. The only reason you were so strong this season just gone is because you ignored all rules.
Erm...yes I can have sympathy, for the reasons stated in the video. And also because the Premiership doesn't seem to care if the top clubs continue to dominate because they are bigger clubs with more to spend.
Agreed! LCFC can't spend all that money just because Liverpool and United have had success in terms of CL places, fan bases, and - for Liverpool - relatively recent championships. And City's inflated sponsorships should be questioned and not just waved away because other teams fail in a miserable way instead of win in a miserable way.
crystal Palace are doing alright without breaking the rules. I agree. Big clubs need to be pulled down a bit. But it's like saying Coca-Cola can't sell in the usa but Pepsi can. Some company just make more money
Leicester cheated for 2 seasons, gained an unfair financial advantage, and as of today have not been punished for it. It stinks. No amount of points this season can make up for gaining £180m from promotion, and if relegated this season will then receive future parachute payments. The game is corrupt to the core.
You're right about one thing - the game is corrupt, but not for the reasons you're claiming. Clubs like Leicester and Newcastle have money, but they can't spend it to keep the elite at the top. It was a joke they were relegated because they couldn't spend when the big six flagrantly break the rules without punishment. Everton, on the other hand, were spending money they don't have (just like Leeds did in the past - the irony of their complaints is not lost on me) and they survived twice now, but no-one has a pop at them. Also, if Leicester are relegated again, they will be hit with a FFP points deduction, so will hardly get off lightly.
I have zero sympathy for Leicester City Football Club, as they were overspending, and their relegation exposed their inability to run themselves properly, it did not cause them. I do have some sympathy for the Leicester supporters who realise that their club has been naughty, less for those attempting to pretend that they have done nothing wrong
You saying that just because you are a Ipswich fan Leicester city won league you i watch all your show you do a good job but stop doing show haveing go Leicester city about points do show about football
I agree break the rules get punished in whatever league you are in . However its gonna be fun watching Leicester try and get to a positive points total . I predict (a riot) around Xmas Leicester may just get to that stage
I get that they cheated in the premier league so should be punished in the premier league.
BUT cheating in the premier league made them stronger for the championship and gave them an unfair advantage.
Then again, maybe that’s just me being a Leeds fan 😂
They also spent above their means in the championship. Not a thing will be done about it though as long as Sky get to keep their EFL cash-cow Leeds
Cheat how? 22/23 LCFC setup to finish top 10 in PL. Screwing up is not cheating.
@@alexanderfavellThey shouldn’t of had half the players in the championship they had due too FFP. They had an unfair advantage over everyone else.
I agree - they won the league with a team that broke the rules when putting together
@@mack983 Pretty sure breaking PRS leads to points deductions, not forcing you to sell players. Leicester did downsize their squad anyway, as stated in the video, losing hugely importantly players like Maddison, Barnes, Tielemans, Evans, Castagne, Soyuncu, Perez, Tete, Mendy and Amartey, while the likes of Soumare, Thomas and Kristiansen were send on out on loan to get their wages off the books. Even with this, they were too good for the Championship.
It is a mess, but Leicester are wriggling to avoid doing the right thing. They deserve the book throwing at them. (As do Man City, etc).
If you break the rules you must pay the price for it. Unless you are Man. City.
What about the Manchester City 115 breach rules they broke 😊
As a Rams fan totally neutral even though we were deducted 21 points and ended up in league 1 two years ago. No argument as our owner at the time was a crook. What baffles me is how Man City get away with blue murder and the Gunners would have got the title last season. The best and most expensive lawyers or not the P/L is giving Man City too much slack. The EFL stick by the rule book, different league or not the same rules should apply to all 92 clubs.
Everton with a ten point deduction still managed to finish 15. I’m sorry but there is no deterrent now for cheaters I mean the epl could’ve took 20 points off Everton and they still would be safe. Basically do whatever you want to get the best players break the rules because you’ll be fine. The whole thing is a joke. The only way to deter cheaters is to relegate them.
That’s because Everton won more points and took the punishment given to them unlike some clubs who run away from the dock and like Leeds who couldn’t even finish above Ipswich 😂😢
100%
They will do anything in their power to keep the likes of Everton in the top flight. Most corrupt league in the world.
@@agentancelotti2985 they got more points because of the cheating therefore the punishment wasnt enough , they didnt take the punishment they were given they appealed ,,
@@agentancelotti2985 obviously this was just an opportunity to slag Leeds off for you. Fair enough Leeds weren’t good enough. Still doesn’t take away that clubs can cheat and get a slap on the wrists does it. Make your comment relevant. Don’t make a nonsensical comment just because you seen Leeds in my name 🤦♂️
What would happen if Leicester broke the rules in the championship and then got promoted to the premier league and staying there for 20 yes so could not be by there own rules be punished
To put things into perspective, there was a 16 point difference between 17th place Nottingham Forest and 20th place Sheffield United.
The three that went down totaled 66 points. Scandalous
It's not a sporting competition and hasn't been for a long time. It's just a business competition in the Premier League.
A few points...deduced
Why does the PL have different rules to the rest of English Football?... it's ludicrous, AND harming our National sport to the detriment of the other 72x league clubs.
It's all making it up as they go along just to protect their own arses.
I earn say, £25k/year.
£500+ for a season ticket at my local club (2% of my earnings?)
To watch someone on £25k/week (52x my wage) sit on the chuffing bench?...
Liverpool fans complain at the weekend about how far away the trip to Norwich is, before jetting off to Fenerbache on the Wednesday.
Cup competitions with different VAR rules depending on who you get drawn against?
English Football is broken badly, but that's ok....these "big" clubs earn more from Asian TV than they do their own local fans (which costs policing every week)
Conclusion:
If it carries on down its current path, football will soon be relegated to the wireless, for me.
It is no longer the game I fell in love with when I was young and the changes since PL are not for the benefit of fair competition.
As much as I love Football...from a sports fanatics point of view?
The Ice Hockey 120 miles away (Nottingham) is looking REALLY tempting right now...
Competitive sport
Competitive pricing
Family fun
Go Panthers!!
Agreed. Most likely get more income from flogging shirts to fans in Asia along with the tv deals. Since the prem was introduced the game has become more about who has the most cash and will always be about the big 5 or 6 if you count Spurs. Don't agree with a super league but maybe the only chance for other teams to compete for the title?
As far as the 2024/25 season is concerned, Leicester will face a 12 point deduction in my view, and if there is any justice they will get relegated
Isn’t it -9 going into administration?
@@joeblyth8076 To be honest I am not certain what the current rules are, as they seem to have altered quite a bit.
With the level of income that a PL club receives, with parachute payments to follow, I am not sure if any club could technically go into Administration whilst in the PL
Although it won’t be Leicester, one day, a club is gonna break Derby’s record because of a points deduction
Man city are facing hundreds but as usual they are untouchable but smaller teams are always under the cosh we're getting hammered in the prem so it's done
Leicester just flew too close to the sun. We went for it. The lesson is to stay in your lane and accept your existence as an also ran.
Steve Cooper in charge…..definitely points lost 😂😂😂
It's quite clear to me that the squad of Leicester in 22/23 season deliberately stopped playing for their Manager and therefore they also betrayed the clubs fan base! Leicester city squad was simply too good to go down. But they soon jumped ship after the relegation
It looked like they fought in lots of games. They just seemed to hit a wall after 60 minutes. Don't know if that was effort or fitness
Read all about it! Wow, you know your biscuits.
Kieran looks like a cross between steve cooper and Neil warnock
When Leeds got relegated, the three teams that finished directly above them had all overspent (Leicester, Everton and Forest) and gained an unfair advantage. It's impossible to quantify how big that advantage was so why not make the rule easy for all concerned. For every £1 million pound you overspend you get deducted one point. And the accounts must be submitted once the season is over so that points deductions can be made immediately.
Utter garbage when Forest survived we were a club that were promoted after 23 years away from the top flight, with a squad of loan players and one that needed to be improved when those players left ,just to be competitive ,while Leeds were a premier league club who had been in the top flight for a few seasons. Take it you are still bitter that you are still in the Championship with a owner who as no ambition, otherwise he would have spent money to keep you in the top flight
@@Anthony-Clough80 Do wake up. We have been taken over since then.
@@Anthony-Clough80 Take it you haven't got a clue and didn't know that Leeds got new owners a year ago
@@Anthony-Clough80 Still ovetspent though and thus gained an unfair advantage over teams that abided by the rules
When you got relegated we had not overspent, it was only because we did not sell Johnson before June 30th last year so was not able to be within the spending limit that year. That had nothing to do with Leeds getting relegated and plus you would have had a higher spending limit than us as we just got promoted that season.
When enough time has passed since the rules were written, there is no such thing as an unintended consequence. The has been plenty of opportunity to fix league rules P&S rules, the offside rule, VAR, and everything else. The people in charge have chosen not to. All consequences are therefore very much by design.
The whole thing is a joke. Either sanction properly with hefty penalties or don’t bother.
People banging on about City’s 115 are comparing apples and pears. It’s becoming clearer that City previously voiced concern that the rules being applied were illegal under UK law so it’ll be no surprise if the charges don’t get proven.
Further the fact that Leicester can escape penalty by citing not being under the jurisdiction of the organisation under which they broke the rules is a further folly and reflects how incompetent the rule makers are or they’re just corrupt creating a protectionist regime.
The ESL was defeated before. It’ll rear its head again and will be inevitable because these pricks running the game are only interested in power and money lining one another’s pockets.
As a Leicester fan feels like somewhere 6-8 is likely. If that had been 6 in the Champ then wed have gone up anyway so we may end up worse off this way.
Would disahree about pur budgeting too. We spent heavily on wages and manager and seemed to need a CL spot to make it feasible. CAS ruling on Man City certainly didnt help but we didn't pivot fast enough after that.
Very good watch.
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Everyboby calls us "cheats" , but ,how stupid is it to allow teams to lose 105 million over 3 years,and not have zero debts at the end of every season !
If it's 10+ points deduction ... Foxes welcome back to the Championship
Although i hate Championship new promoted sides getting Relegating straight away
if a team break's the rules then regardless of which ever league you are in then the point's should be deducted at source.if Leicester had been found to have been at fault then the point's should have been deducted before they had been promoted.if that had been done then maybe they wouldn't have been promoted.
So Ipswich can break the premier league rules then especially when Manchester City have done wrong for so many years without punishment
If they are going to chop points off Leicester next season, how many points are they going to lop off Man City...???
Basically Ipswich were the moral winners of the Championship last season, and Leicester in my view, robbed Leeds of an automatic place.
They were the sporting winners because they operated on she string and finished above two clubs that had some of the highest wages bills the division has ever seen.
Lets hope for 15 points and a hefty fine. An example needs to be made of these cheat clubs. Too many of them popping up now.
We are all bent!
Going on about us spending money last summer is fair enough but also look at the sales that summer
i am not a leeds fan at all but i agree with benthorn they should not have been allowed to go up, if court cheeting
Leicester are not a Leeds or a Derby so will probably get off lightly
It's a fair point. But there you go. Just another Leeds fan 😂
No way. Frank Gallagher has a UA-cam channel!
Leicester overspent, ignored all the rules and continued to sign players for big money while their rivals stuck to rules, they ended up being promoted first time, and you ask should we feel sympathy for them? 😂 Hell no, my team has been royally screwed by them, first we got relegated while all 3 teams above us broke the rules(Leicester, Everton, Forest) and now denied automatic by a team still not following the rules and we'll now have to sell all our best players due to it. Also 95% of fan bases could only dream of the last 10 years that Leicester fans have had.
Bit of a contradiction - you say Leicester's rivals stuck to the rules, then admitted that Everton and Forest broke the rules, which is part of the reason Leicester went down.
Think he means the other two teams that went down with Leicester. Southampton and Leeds didn't cheat. So clearly unfair.
@jezwaters2773 Since Leicester went down anyway, how does their breaking the rules "screw" Leeds? Everton and Forest, yes, but not Leicester. Makes no sense however you cut it and is based in bitterness from their own failure this season, when they were beaten to promotion by a club from League 1 and then beaten in the play-offs by team you admit didn't cheat.
@@darkwebonline2124 Your much stronger than you should be and kept spending big money on players this season, if you stuck to the rules, you'd have been forced to sell many more players and wouldn't have been signing players like Harry Winks for £10 million. The only reason you were so strong this season just gone is because you ignored all rules.
@@leedsalex We bought a few and sold/released a lot. See my comment elsewhere in this thread. We were also unable to buy in Jan.
Looks like Leicester are going to be a yo-yo club going forward
We wouldn't have been relegated if Everton had have been punnished with points deduction the year we went down. Like they should have been
' 180 ' still be back in a few seasons.
They'll be deducted points from the start or not at all.
Maresca saw the writing on the wall.
Maresca was willing to stay at Leicester before a bigger club came in for him
This is getting ridiculous. Are teams not allowed to spend to secure their status.
You can't have sympathy. Everyone knows the rules and can't compare finances to Liverpool. Much bigger world wide appeal
Erm...yes I can have sympathy, for the reasons stated in the video.
And also because the Premiership doesn't seem to care if the top clubs continue to dominate because they are bigger clubs with more to spend.
Agreed! LCFC can't spend all that money just because Liverpool and United have had success in terms of CL places, fan bases, and - for Liverpool - relatively recent championships. And City's inflated sponsorships should be questioned and not just waved away because other teams fail in a miserable way instead of win in a miserable way.
crystal Palace are doing alright without breaking the rules. I agree. Big clubs need to be pulled down a bit. But it's like saying Coca-Cola can't sell in the usa but Pepsi can. Some company just make more money
Leicester cheated for 2 seasons, gained an unfair financial advantage, and as of today have not been punished for it. It stinks. No amount of points this season can make up for gaining £180m from promotion, and if relegated this season will then receive future parachute payments. The game is corrupt to the core.
You're right about one thing - the game is corrupt, but not for the reasons you're claiming. Clubs like Leicester and Newcastle have money, but they can't spend it to keep the elite at the top. It was a joke they were relegated because they couldn't spend when the big six flagrantly break the rules without punishment. Everton, on the other hand, were spending money they don't have (just like Leeds did in the past - the irony of their complaints is not lost on me) and they survived twice now, but no-one has a pop at them.
Also, if Leicester are relegated again, they will be hit with a FFP points deduction, so will hardly get off lightly.
I have zero sympathy for Leicester City Football Club, as they were overspending, and their relegation exposed their inability to run themselves properly, it did not cause them.
I do have some sympathy for the Leicester supporters who realise that their club has been naughty, less for those attempting to pretend that they have done nothing wrong
Oh dear
IMO the Premier League - as an organisation, is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE !
You saying that just because you are a Ipswich fan Leicester city won league you i watch all your show you do a good job but stop doing show haveing go Leicester city about points do show about football
What do you think the subject matter is. Snooker?
@@thenorthernsoulmusicchanne8939 show done was because Ben a Ipswich fan
I agree break the rules get punished in whatever league you are in . However its gonna be fun watching Leicester try and get to a positive points total . I predict (a riot) around Xmas Leicester may just get to that stage
Bournemouth also got promoted by cheating FFP
and paid the fine, so ??
Dock them 15 points.