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I'd love to see you and Chris working the EC230 side-by-side with an E220 in Shippensburg. That would be awesome.
I second that!
Hey DP!! Can't wait to see you and Chris get some dirt time with it!!
About 20 years ago I worked on a prototype yard switching locomotive that was powered by a 600 volt battery bank. It was like driving a 1500HP golf cart lol. This unit had a small diesel generator under the hood to charge the batteries when needed. I think it was a 25kw 3 phase unit. The reduction in fuel use and emissions were incredible!! With battery technology coming along so far it won’t be long before these are mainstream. But for remote locations, I can see that charging does remain a challenge. Great video!! 😃👍🏻
You’re still gonna have to run a generator all night long to charge it unless you want to haul it home every night which wouldn’t be very practical. I can also see problems with that if you’re on a job site with houses around, the people aren’t gonna want to hear a generator running all night unless you can talk to the customer and pay them or give a discount into letting you plug into their house power.
I just don’t think full electric is the way to “save the planet” when they literally have children and slaves digging for the lithium and other minerals for all these batteries not to mention the nasty pollution from the lithium mines, the cost you have to make up for vs a diesel is a lot, and they still can’t recycle the lithium when it’s past it’s lifespan, it pretty much has to be treated like nuclear waste. Many smarter people than me think that hybrid is the way to go but we have powerful people in our government getting lobbied hard and being paid off to push for all electric. But either way unless they find another RELIABLE alternative to fossil fuels solar and wind ain’t gonna cut it no matter what the idiot politicians in Washington try to shove down our throats with one hand and with the other hand are reaching around and stealing our wallets.
I believe that Volvo are also making solar powered portable charging stations. Coupled with a small generator, that may be the answer for areas off the grid.
Personally, I would like to see more work done on hydrogen fuel cell systems, possibly powering a hybrid unit.
Edit: posted this 2 min before Mike mentioned the hydrogen cell haul truck!!!!
Local solar won't give much charge to a machine with slightly more battery capacity than a fully loaded Hummer EV. But the reduction in emissions is tremendous if charged by the grid. Some savings if charged with a large modern genset on site charging multiple tractors at once.
The future is here! Awesome. Love to see a side by side with a 220👍🏻👏🏻🍀
DP great introduction! Would love to see you guys go try it in the dirt. Hope they get you guys out there to show the rest of us what to do and how it’s maintained on a daily working job basis. Thanks again DP.
Volvo is really stepping the game up. Can’t wait to see it in action
cat has actually delivered electric excavators at same size in Norway for 2-3 years ago. So it’s not a revolution from Volvo, Cat are very much into the electric game for construction equipment in Europe
@@12345anton6789 so, google said that cat rolled out their electrical prototypes in the last quarter of 2022, what they sell in Norway is an excavator which the company Pon Eqiupment build on a Cat 323F, so its not a Caterpillar solution
I can't wait to see someone charging it with a diesel generator, what a joke
Love to see this machine in the dirt with you. Awesome to see how far the are with those electric machines. And it is quiet. Greetings from the Netherlands Harry
Most impressive, they have come a long way with battery powered machines, it would be interesting to see what the E230 machine would do in the dirt. As far as the motor/engine deal goes its like calling soil dirt or soil/dirt, either way you choose to call it, the end result is it able to move “STUFF” from point A to point B efficiently with minimum cost. Thanks for the for the walk around Mike.
It seems they have made more advancements than the standard automotive sector. Tesla has yet to design a battery pack that would allow you to drive a week with all electronics on. But, that will never happen because they want to force people to charge VERY OFTEN so the electric companies and the corrupt politicians can fatten their bank accounts.
I would like to see the charging options. Seeing you and Chris operating the EC230 on a job, will be fun. I look forward to your video on the hydrogen fuel truck.
WoW!! What a great view of the new technology from Volvo. I agree with you and Chris, that you guys need to get that beautiful piece of machinery moving some dirt and see what it's made of. Looking forward to that video. Maybe at one of your projects with MBTS.
You gotta put it in the dirt DP!!! Can't wait to see it in action.
That is crazy quiet. I would love to see the machine in the dirt. Volvo needs to let you demo one!! Thanks Mike.
Defiantly a must see as to how it operates in an actual job situation. Cheers for videoing and posting bro. Safe travels
thanks so much for taking us with you on these events!!!
Thanks for watching
I'd love to see this in action! If it works out, this would be fantastic. Thanks for taking us along, be well, be safe!
The upper temperature range will need to be raised if Volvo want to sell into the African, Australian, Middle Eastern, and both North and South American markets. 40 C just won't cut the mustard in some areas during the Summer months.
These markets also will have a problem with supplying power for charging at remote sites.
that will be fun to really put one to work. I like the new intro you have been using on these live events away from home.
I hope they let you try one out! 👍
I'd love to see the 220 diesel vs the 230 electric pull up trees. Good video. 👍
I would think it would be easy to see skid steers and mini excavators in electric, as it would be easier to keep charged when you can trailer them to a charge point, but the big machines present a difficult charge situation for you operators that move around to new job sites. Also I predict you will find much more torque thus power with electric.
So instead of a fuel truck filling in 15 minutes per unit, the driver now gets to sleep an hour each with the battery charging truck! That’s efficient! 🤓
There is a video on LetsDig18, about a year ago, of Volvo having an electric mini and an electric skid steer (or was it a dumper?) on static display indoors. And that solar charging station.
@@tomrogers9467 I'm sure Volvo would not recommend this unit to you if that was your use case.
@@tomrogers9467 and if you’re in a hurry there’s no more working through lunch to get the job done. Unions will love all electric heavy equipment, they won’t even have to bargain for hour lunches, the companies won’t have a choice.
Hello Mike. Great video. Very curious to see that in the dirt.
Wondering what Chris has in store video wise. Thanks for the information on E230
That's very interesting indeed & if it can run two half shifts of real use a day then things have come on significantly over the last couple of years.
And charging leaves time for lunch!
@@jamesferguson8217 you won’t have any choice but to have lunch even if you’re in a hurry to get a job done.
What the f*%*! They finally did it. A 23t electric excavator. That’s amazing. I didn’t think it would come out this soon.
Impressive something that big can operate on battery. Good video
My wife and I own a Tesla....which we love. There are two parts of the experience I would love for the Volvo folks to talk about: 1) Battery chemistry they are using and how they perform in the cold, and 2) The cost of AC charging equipment is pretty cheap BUT DC Fast Charging equipment is expensive for automobiles.
Damn I hope you get to try one out Mike. Would be interesting to hear your opinions on operator fatigue With Electric vs Diesel power.
Let's do it Mike I'm ready to watch you do it Bud👍⭐⭐⭐⭐
love your new open!
If your excavator stays in one place all the time (like a scrapyard) this is fantastic, not so good for you or Chris who constantly move from the middle of nowhere to just past it.
The one question you didnt ask is how much is it compared to the diesel version? Charging cost vs fuel are easy enough to work out.
Charging isnt free it still cost you
@@darylhamann2310 Yeah, but electricity is a damn sight cheaper than diesel, even charging one of those rigs up.
@@sandy1653 if everything goes electricity, don’t you think that’s going to go up to? You can’t just go plug it in a 120 outlet. And what you gonna do with all of them old used batteries they are hazard.
@@darylhamann2310 Battery recycling facilities pay to buy those old batteries due to the value of the materials they can recover. Please don't spew misinformation.
@@sandy1653 not if you have to run a power line to a remote sight or use a GASP DIESEL GENERATOR to keep this crap charged.
Great video electric volvos very cool thanks Mike and Chris
Thumbs up 👍 thanks for sharing your trip.
DP waiting for the video of you and Chris in PA putting the EC230 in the dirt and and seeing what it can do in real conditions.
love to see you all work that machine put it through its paces wonder how long before you would have to replace batteries
If it works as Lars said (full overnight and partial at lunch) it should be seven to ten years before it starts degrading and not working optimally. That is every day of the year to get to the total charge cycles. Now that is highly variable due to the type of work done. You could get much more if you can skip the mid day boost or less if you push the machine to it's limits everyday. Sometimes you will need to top it overnight after a short day and that will not be as hard on the batteries but still count. Way too many variables to get an exact lifespan. But even after swapping the batteries the old one will have value for another use. Like most automotive batteries, they will likely go on to be utility storage as even 80% efficient will work for many uses.
Dang it Mike!! I was there everyday at the same booth. You still got me to watch your video
be interested to see what its like under load. won't suit all applications but I can see many uses for both the small and larger 360 machines.
It should be okay under load. All of the fastest production cars are electric now due to the crazy high torque levels an electric motor has.
Out in the field you can plug into a tree or straight into the ground
Just like with everything else as time goes on I’m sure battery technology etc will improve even more. Another Awesome Video
Not just the battery but also the ability to charge the thing when you are in the middle of a project far from the grid. Do we have to have a large portable solar installation or just a diesel generator?
This machine will be great for some applications. A solar array to power the unit for 8-12 hours a day quickly becomes beyond all practicality.
That was really cool hope they send you to shippensburg to really test it
One problem with overnight charging,there wont be any leaving machines on sites or your gonna need extra portable charging units and good security
Yeah, I have a feeling that the parallel charging solution is a diesel generator (that's probably capable of servicing multiple pieces)
In a previous video they had a system like a trailer with solar panels that charged batterys during the day then charged the machinery overnight.
@@spankyhunter so you charged two battery packs and lost 2x the energy if you only charged the machine, the solar energy being "free".......but you have two battery packs to replace eventually.........plus you have a re-charge trailer to move around, keep out of harms way and maintain.........
I don't think this machine was intended to address that use case.
@@jbbuzzable but what sort of use would it be useful for,a quiet demolition site low noise with power next door.Most yellow gear is multi task with a couple of attachments,This is another attachment just to keep it running but on a week or two site clear for instance.Ok good for small jobs but you'd lose out on transporting the yellow gear and the charger pack around,some pros and possibly a lot more cons initially i say.
Would love too see you work the EC230 Electric!!!
You asked a lot of pertinent and thoughtful questions👍👍Looking forward to the hydrogen fuel cell episode. Any hybrid equipment at the show? The change and growing pains going to come and it'll be rough for a time, but technology keeps getting better, too!
time to expand the storage barn for all the new toys you and Chris will be receiving, hehehe. don't forget the wind turbine for charging.
Only problem I see is charging it out on a job site . If your going to run a diesel generator to charge it you may as well just put a diesel engine in the excavator . Even at a mine site you would have to track it or haul it to the charger .
Now that was cool! Much love from Henderson Ga
Cool well done thanks for the video
They don't call GM General Engines.
It's General Motors for a reason.
Fossil fuels power plants can be called both depending on the individuals choice.
10 years from now I highly doubt diesel power equipment will still ge available.
In the long run, bottom line electric equipment will be cheaper to operate when you take into consideration maintenance costs, Fossil fuel costs and other factors.
There's a new battery almost ready for mass production that's way ahead of current batteries.
They use far less if any rare earth materials which will seriously cut costs of production and will have seriously longer life spans.
Thanks Mike for taking us along on your trip thru the show.
I hope we're going to see some excavator competition between you, Matt, Cris, Captain Kleeman, Matt Diesel Creek and Dirt Grain and Steel channel (I forget his name).
Definitely want to see an episode of you guys at the Volvo test facility.
Perfect place to see you guys competing against each other.
Looks cool! Hope you get the opportunity to try it out!
I worked as staircase installer for a long time. I converted equipment to use 220 volts and had a dedicated electrical panel that would run off of the dryer plug. Install one of these on your temporary power supply. Then make heavy duty cord to charge. What kind of plug-in does the Vovol.
Amazing machine would like to see it in operation
There's definitely a market for this. Plumbers or utility contractors doing major groundwork inside existing buildings or sewer and water taps in a densely populated area, pool builders digging 10 feet away from the neighbors house. There are a lot of jobsites, I'd rather have this instead of a diesel machine. Just to avoid the noise complaints. I saw a party rental company with a Merlo eWorker on a trailer the other day. Perfect example of a company that needs an electric machine, and may prefer it over diesel.
If only I could afford an electric EC230. Perfect for a small farm.
Definitely want to see it in the dirt working. I’d love to see it on a real job really digging in hard dirt all day
264kwh! Holy shit that's an enormous battery. Very cool that they integrated CCS. Very interested to see what cells they are using in those packs
Wowwwwww all you hear are the pumps running!! Apparently the Technology is advancing tons quicker than I even dreamed. I am a bit of a naysayer on Electric vehicles and their dependability but equipment like this shows a lot of promise. Can't wait to see more, Keep up the good work Mike.
FYI, my 2015 BMW I3 has never been in the shop for repair. I took it in for a 3 year check up, and they changed the cab air filter. That of course cannot happen with a gas or diesel car or truck.
@@casualobserver3702 Cool!
Have no fear. I know Tesla just shipped their 4 millionth car. If people don't like them, we will soon know.
Love your videos awesome content❤ ❤❤
Thanks
Mike cost of unit then cost of charging unit....when I was hauling spuds out of the fields we had 2 big items, dust and heat or cold plus dirt flying everywhere when other vehicles come and go. Also you have your lunch hour recharge. I can just see Matt with an extension cord in hand running across the fields to the nearest house to plug in the charger, well that's why you pay him the big bucks.😁I can sure see how it would be a lot easier on the operator being so quiet.🙃
All great?s
nice to see chris & Mike
I'm betting that most of that noise that we do hear, is NOT the motor but in fact... the pump. I agree with many, I'd love to see it working with a 220 and see how it compares.. though I"m betting the refueling will be a bit of a problem. Your trailer probably won't be of much help there.. and in the field where there is not power, it could be a problem.
Motor is a Latin word that means to move or cause to move. It may be applied to any system that causes movement. Thus Oxford says “a machine, especially one powered by electricity or internal combustion, that supplies motive power for a vehicle or some other device with moving parts.”
I prefer to call them electric motor and internal combustion engines but I’m old school.
The there's "Motor City" - Detroit which used to be the heart of gasoline-engine-powered cars.
"I'm not that Chris guy." I gonna tell Chris what you said! 😆😆😆
I want one! And a Thunder Creek charger trailer! YES Please do a video when they arrive for demos! Please!
Not long ago "they" said it can't be done! This is the start - the baby steps to a new generation.
The way of the future Mike, nice to see you and Chris, with the professional Lars, I love it but we are not quite there yet. I am so amazed that we have gone from hand digging to steam to diesel to electric, all in less than a hundred years, it really is the children's future.
Extension cord from where?
DP got to get that on your channel can’t wait to see what it’s all about 👍👋🇨🇦
Nice Mike I enjoy watching your video 🇺🇸
I would love to see that Electric Machine in action!
This was fun!! Cheers!;-)!!
You and Chris better go get some seat time in the 230. A demo back home would be better. But we’ll take anything right now.
5:45 Engines are thermodynamic devices that do work using a difference in temperature. Samples are the internal combustion engine, Sterling engine and the steam engine. Motors are energy conversion devices. An electric motor converts electrical energy into mechanical energy used to drive fans, pumps, etc. Other examples are the air motors in air tools converting air pressure into rotational mechanical force used to drive impact wrenches, jack hammers, etc. Hydraulic motors are another example of motors. General Motors should of named themselves General Engines and a GMC truck should of been a GEC truck.
DP gets so excited he that he cant wait for the person to answer the first question before he interrupts and asks a different question. Looking forward to how the cost of operating electric compares to diesel over time.
It definitely needs a try out!
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Would love to see the electric 220 see how she performs!! but I feel like if wire gets pinched would it still operate or freak it the whole system?
My first question is purchase cost comparison to diesel driven. Second, what is the mobile charging unit like, suspect a diesel driven generator, there goes some of the environmental friendly and the purchase cost of this charging system? He said the motors are three phase AC. I believe That means there is a DC to AC inverter. Possibly another trouble spot. I believe that as the battery bank voltage gets lower the current draw has to go up to keep the AC motors at correct speed. Unless they have figured out a way to defeat OHMs law. That means the battery drain curve is not linear. Gonna drop off quicker at the end of the charging cycle. I'm always wary of new unproven technology It is very interesting though. Sure would like to see you or Chris put it to the test.
do they have an option where you can raise the boom up into power lines, and charge automatically? Just a thought... :)
Fantastic the way they take what is essentially a stock Diesel machine and utilise new technology to power it electrically yes it will have limitations but everything does ! This will certainly be useful in urban and low disturbance zones ! And areas where emissions are not wanted !
The first electric excavator I saw on a job was dead in two hours, and they had to bring in a diesel one. They can keep those for all the tree huggers out there.
So a really nice electric excavator. When you are on a remote jobsite.... a diesel generator to charge it.
Can't help but feel like they should have a battery swap trailer system. That way you can take the battery off sight to charge. Also allowing you to swap batteries on a remote sight to keep running.
That would be awesome to see out in the field DP...... Volvo need to let you test that out.
Absolutely love the new intro! And go to Shippensburg; I want tot see this thing in action….
Thanks
Nice machine and video😊😉
There's no reason it wouldn't dig just as well running the same pump. We picked up a Kia Soul EV last June and that zero noise when on is still confusing at times. Acceleration is amazing and the regenerative braking takes a bit of getting used to. BUT, it has been quite an adventure in charging. First month was really rough attempting to use the few charge stations around town, but once I wired and installed the home charger, it was 'a game changer'. Wife drives it to work. During the summer was charging every 2 days, full AC and cooled seats when it was 110*+. 3 days when AC and Heat not needed.
I will be very curious to see what the charging option is. I can't think of too many jobs you've done where you'd be able to grid tie for electricity. Perhaps a large commercial construction site where they've brought power and have drops for the office or tower crane. To cover several days of overcast, the battery bank on a charge station would need to be quite large, like transporting another machine. Not really an issue here with 360 sun shine days a year, but I imagine the station would need quite a few panels to ensure that 1 hour fast and then overnight level 2 charging every single day. It would be possible to transport batteries and charge them at a remote location, bring a fresh set from Derby every morning type of thing.
The real issue is if someone forgets to charge, or there's an issue with the charging. Now you're stuck. Stuck stuck, not 'I have to refuel for 10-20 minutes' stuck. My wife forgot to charge overnight one night, got to and left work but the fast charger near work wasn't working and so had to drive to a close by slow charger. She left there after 1/2 an hour attempting to get to another fast charger, but didn't make it and had to be towed the rest of the way.
We have the usual maintenance, tires, shocks, brakes but the first coolant change isn't till over 100k miles. And that's the only fluid change (well I guess brake fluid). Brushless motor theoretically will last forever, maybe having to replace the bearings. Of course the excavator has hydraulic oil and filters and none of that maintenance changes.
I know that they want to avoid it or not publicize it, but I suspect that in the real world there will be some using diesel generators for on site charging. Still cleaner than running all day on diesel. Also I could see a trailer that charges at the grid all day while you work that could be brought to the site to boost the machine batteries to avoid the transport of the machine daily. There will be options.
Please stay with this intro and outro for all of your videos!
You're living at a good time... you get to try the newest, neatest toys!!
What do you need in the way of a gen. to charge it up in the field?
Buying a machine that you also have to buy a charger for is like getting a toy at Christmas without batteries. The basic charger should come with it. I would be willing to bet you could rebuild a diesel engine for less than the cost of just 1 of the batteries cost
The charge station is likely to be more than the cost of a rebuild.
So Mike if you end up with a EC230 I could see a solar mounted trailer that work great on a sunny day with a back up ( DIESEL Generator ) to keep it charged on a clouded day. Good Luck ole Buddy
Work for 4-5 hours and charge at 150 KWH for an hour, then work another 4-5 hours, then charge again for the next morning. What are they using to charge this beast? The backup generator where I used to work was a 33 Kwh unit and it had an inline 6 cylinder running on bottled gas. You would need 5 of those to come close to charging this thing. You would need approx 150 square meters of solar panel to achieve that charge rate. Are you going to have a 20 ' shipping container to haul around with charging equipment as well?
@7:30 2500 charging cycles on the batteries before they need replacement. Two charging cycles per work day, that is 1250 work days. 260 work days per year, unless you work weekends. That is 4 years best case without any battery degradation. I guarantee the replacement cost of the batteries will be close to the purchase price of the excavator.
I would also be concerned about running a 600 volt system in a pond dredging operation. If it sinks, you might be sunk. How water tight are those connections,?
I don't see any advantage of electric over diesel powered construction equipment
If it helps to have a ballpark idea. -40C is the same as -40F
And also +40 C, which he said was the upper working temperature is +104 F. There are large areas of the USA that will top that on some summer days.
Would love to see it in the dirt
It does look just like the machine Chris bought but for old school guys like me I cant help question this new tech. Suppose I am like you guys and would rather to test in the dirt.
I would love to see a video of this machine running
I love to try one or see it work 👍
Ask them if they could make the battery like a counter weight that you could just swap out half way through the day and not have to be recharged on site
YES MAKE A VIDEO ON THE ELECTRIC MOTOR EXCAVATOR
For all the challenges with battery technology and charging options for onsite charging, they’ve come a long way. And for all the naysayers, they have to start somewhere. Practical for most applications here? Maybe not, but what will 10 years of advancements look like? Thanks for a great video!
Sweet!
Yes!!