My Pocket Cook Set Upgrade is Crazy Volatile
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Trangia, the original and still the best
I can't believe i am watching this whilst wild camping lol
That Aussie flamethrower is just too dangerous, and as for that food Paul omg , I loved Jo’s face peering over the top of the hammock was brilliant.
There’s a few other reviews of the same stove that use meths, and less of it. Seems they get a really controlled flame after about 30 seconds, so could just be your choice of fuel that just doesn’t work well with this stove. Hopefully you find a good balance, as it looks a cracking setup 👌🏼
lol you took the disappointment of a perfect upgrade on paper going pear shaped very well 😀.
My little pocket brew kit is the smallest alpkit ti mug (similar size to Keith) with a Toaks syphon stove, mesh frame pot stand and a titanium foil wind shield. All fits in with the same grippers as yours, fuel, spoon and even room to jam in an posh coffee sachet! It’s very well behaved and boils really quick.
Enjoying the variety of the new vids and glad you are enjoying making them. It needs to be fun to be sustainable!
I like the both of you, and my mother does too. We used to go camping a lot as a family many moons ago and i am meaning to get back into it soon so we have been watching your vids for awhile. I like the wild camping, i like the vlogs. I like most of it and anything i am not happy with (and it isnt anything i can think of right now) i am mature enough to leave you to it and come back later. Lol! Keep up the good work.
What a great idea that Mrs mesner films a solo wild camp.
Trangia spirit burner and trangia triangle, you can't improve on that for a pocket set up. The original and still the best 😜
Try little less fuel in the stove, so the fuel doesn’t boil to hard! I believe that the volume of fuel and the holes are to close and then the fuel starts to vaporise and interact with the holes were the vapours is supposed to come out and then it becomes volatile!
Hi Paul, I had a similar experience using the same stove on a wild camp recently. This stove is very wind sensitive. It needs a good wind shield around the whole thing. I just re tested it in my kitchen and it took a couple of minutes to bloom, then 8 more minutes for it to boil 600ml of water. Flames were calm and not a problem. But needs wind protection in the outdoors.
I agree - too volatile and unpredictable that. Could go wrong very quickly.
You're correct, 👍.
Just like my Trangia with its lairy
attitude!! Whoomph!! 🔥
I've had a crazy flare-up on my Trangia before ...with bio-ethanol ,never with meths .
It's a good thing you knew better and got out of your seat.....meatballs!🤣🤣🤣
Glad i never ordered one of these after seeing how violent the flame is. I currently use a goshawk eddy 200 multi fuel stove with a lixada syphon burner which works fine for me.
Hi Paul and Jodie, glad you had a nice lunch! 😸
Goshawk stove is brilliant, needs more wind protection.
Not sure I'm sold on the Mug Snot...
Cracking little stove idea, but needs some refinement. Looks like the body of the stove is getting way too hot and vapourising the fuel where it shouldn't. Had the same with a home-made beer-can stove in one of those cheapo solid fuel holders like the BCB. Good to see the two of you out chilling together,
All the best, Pete.
Koka noodles!
A hammock is a very fine thing for relaxation - only found this out when i was 40! Why did no one tell me? Our son is better informed, we built hammock posts in our garden and now, every time he and his teenage friends go for a cheeky wild camp, he always takes our hammock as well as his tent.
Yeah, don't think the fuel should be boiling in the middle of the alcohol burner, never seen that before. Something not right there. But "Middle Aged Shout-Out" - how satisfying that the whole set-up fits inside itself and then the bag and then your pocket. Oooohh yeeess, how very satisfying!
If you put some carbon felt in the stoves it calms the flame down and makes them spill proof
You were only supposed to boil the doors off..!
In my best Michael Caine voice
My first thought - was the windshield the wrong way up?, but Jo thought of that (and I checked the Goshawk website for myself, just to be sure). Looks like the tight-fitting windshield is collecting and transferring heat to the burner and boiling the fuel, raising the evaporation rate and creating far too much pressure inside the burner for safe combustion. Self perpetuating once it takes hold and definitely far too aggressive to use in a tent if you want to stay alive!
I think because the pot stand is a tight fit around the burner it’s acting like a chimney and drawing up the flame.
ah so awesome video as always. Love seeing you and the wife doing stuff together.
Ive been buying hand 70% hand sanitizer from local cattle market very cheap and using it for campsite cooking ....burns really well
As an Aussie,thanks for convincing me this stove is too violent. Don't need to start any bushfire.
Do the same with water bladders. Wash them out and put in the freezer. No mildew.
You said on previous video that you needed to reduce the amount of gear you have. Cook inside a tent with that burned and your problem may be solved🔥🔥
That stove was crazy. You are far better off sticking with evernew alcohol burner and adding the evernew titanium DX stand, plus the bonus is that, the DX stand is also a multi fuel stove, in its self.
Yeah, I have the evenew stove, it's my go-to meths stove 🤙
I've had poor results with the evernew DX stand. It behaved ( behaved is the wrong word here 😅 ) similar to the goshawk Paul is using here and was way too hot and mercurial for comfort.
My go-to alcohol stove is the xBoil in the 85-95mm version.
Hahaha laughed when Jo peeked over the edge of the hammock 🤣
The answer your seeking is the x-boil. Simply the best.
Why not try the x-boil, the smallest ul one? That would also fit inside your mug
Looks great but the flame like you said is a bit crazy. ... When I was young and using a trangia I only ever used Meths, do you think Meths burners better, worse, more controlled.... ?
I’ve got the bigger swirl Goshawk and it’s also too wild. It gulps the fuel as well. I really don’t like mine.
Mine doesn’t have a lid either.
If they were half the size then they might be good for their intended purpose. I much prefer my Des Catties burner or my old Trangia.
Paul, I have a goshawk ERA burner which is similar to that one with the swirl flame and have found it runs better on methanol than ethanol. I have not tried it on methylated spirits yet though. Hope that helps
Think you maybe put to much fuel in!🤔
On reflection I think the windshield being a tight fit was transferring heat to the burner therefore superheating it, making it boil andof course the vapour is what burns with alcohol. Strange when that's the burner/windshield combo they sell.... just my 2cents!🤔
Awww, we all love Mrs. Messner!
Also use a Kovea Spider, very light, not expensive, packs up tiny, for me the perfect gas stove when not using meths!
I use a lot less fuel, also had to dis-assemble mine as bioethonal reacted with the stove and formed a gel like goo that blocked the jets now works well though still thirsty
Is it possible to use the stand with a trangia?
I think it needs some extra oxygen. It seems the fuel is evaporating outside of the pot stand. Maybe can you raise it up or you missing part of the stand?
Love goshawk stoves
I’ve had that same table (only mine is round) for about 40 years. It languished with the redundant camping equipment as we progressed to more comfortable, family camping set ups. It’s not compatible with kids running around knocking things over. On my own again now so it’s been resurrected. The moral is never get rid of anything. Just the job for my G&T at sundown.
Could you add some water to the fuel mix and calm it down?
I use a Puck spirit burner and lixada titanium support. It comes in 3 sheets but I only use 2 and that makes it strong and sturdy for my pot. If it's really windy tho, I have a 15 cm high titanium roll windshield and that really helps it.
Id try some carbon felt personally. Came looking for a brand name for your heatproof mat...
If Keith mug needs a bag that’s a little less snug let me know the diameter and height and I can make one and pop it in the post
I suppose you should buy your little windshield another windshield. Also it’s fuel consumption is just on a different level. Drinks like sailor.
I continue to stick to my X-Boil though
Nice to see you both nice doing a bit of hammock camping looked nice where you are but a bit cloudy ⛅️ long you two enjoyed it that's the main thing but stay safe and stay healthy one life enjoy blessed be
I think you have water in your fuel. I've seen bubbling fuel before in other stoves, the fuel usage increases too. Never seen this happen with a fresh bottle of bioethanol. I think bioethanol is know for absorbing water from the atmosphere, one of the complaints of petrol going to E10.
Up to press I've found the Swizz army/Trangia type stove the best alcohol stove for wild camping.its a bit bulky but 100% reliable..
You and Stephen J Reid colab using this stove would be humour
That stove is a wildfire waiting to happen. I thought the wind was catching being high up on the table. But if it was put lower to ground you'd be bbqed. Might be why it's popular down under. They like their barbies.
Hi Paul. It burns in a similar way to one of my home made beer can stoves that has the jet holes near the rim. The other shorter one with the jet holes closer to the centre is much better. You are really good at this you tube video thing. I can see how much time and effort you put into the filming and know the time that goes into editing too. Making engaging videos like you do is not easy.
Have you found Ken Berry or Kelly Hogan yet? Their info may help you both as it’s helped me enormously. Low carb high fat is counter to what we we’ve been taught to believe but it really works. All the best.
Could be the cause of so many Australian Bush fires 🔥 😮
i don't know but i am sure its made for methylated spirits would that burn slower?? as mostly that is what we can get here
Use the wind screen with the Evernew, scrap that other stove.
I've got the exact same stove, and don't have anything near that sort of flame. I tend to use meths, or a meths/bio fuel mix. It is mighty thirsty though.
I see what you mean now Paul. I didn't know it was a spirit burner. Yes, very scary that especially like you say, in a tent. The kit it's self looks smart though. If it had a slit in the side that went half way round the stand, you could get a simmering ring on it which would calm it all down. Second one was manageable though eh!
I have seen mods on other stoves where they add wire scouring pads (steel) in the centre might tame it a bit. I am quite happy with a trangia, titanium cross and basic windshield.
9:17 MUG SNOT? Never heard of it... not for sale in a pouch anyway. That little stove windscreen works very well... but does it fit the otherway up?Or maybe you can plug up some of the exposed fuel somehow so it's not burning so agressively.
Triangle also goes wild in the wind! Unusable with another windshield! I use the Vesuv with the Evernew 60l, have ordered Stripeys cone on Kickstarter as I’m convinced by Kojin burners which I also use in my Trangia, lighter and safer!
Good vid. Fried meat balls, ouch!
You could try stuffing the centre of the stove with the fireproof glass wool stuff that you can use to make alcohol burners out of tins. It might slow the boiling of the alcohol.
As an Australian, I am guessing there is nothing wrong with the way you used it. More than likely, it's just our attitude embodied in a cooker: we are not here to fk spiders. 😂
Hello Paul, love from Spain, where did you buy the chair from minute 3:00?
You did well getting the burner in a week. I ordered a different one from Goshawk almost three weeks ago, and they only posted it three days ago. Aus postal tracking says it's now been passed to the air carrier. It'll probably arrive here during the week after next when I'm away for a week and the house is empty so like as not it'll be left on the back doorstep.
You need to use a proper pot stand the old burner wasn't blooming properly, but I guess you already know that.
You said the stove came from Australia, do they use a less volatile fuel? Or do you need less fuel , just a guess
Stick to the x-boil!
I’ve an alcohol stove some time ago. Still got it somewhere in the loft. It was OK if well sheltered from wind. You could have probably boiled another cup alongside 😄 I wouldn’t trust my ability to get out of a hammock without twisting my back or being overcome by uncontrollable gravitational pull!😂
Paul, I'd exchange the burner for one of the smaller types, but keep the wind shield and pot.
Maybe the titanium windscreen traps lots of heat & created a faster, larger flame
Plus the lack of a taller windscreen at least mid to top of pot/ cup for the sideways wind?
You two, crack me up!😂😂😂😂
If Jo does a solo wild camp I'll subscribe to her channel 🤝
If I get to 5000 subs I’ll think about it 😂
Bloody dangerous. surely the pot stand should have the top rim turned inn by 2mm at least.
That's proper risky! Take it back.
Alcohol/spirit burners are only good in a completely windless environment so that they can have plenty of oxygen supply without a gusting wind that will make the flame go bonkers with an overheated vapour. There's a reason pretty much all long-distance hikers use isopropane canisters...
I was waiting for you to invert the wind shield, providing less air round the top?
What was the fuel used paul.?? And do you use the same fuel for all of your alcohol stoves??? Thank you for the answer .
The only observed difference is that Keith sits directly onto the older stove and apron the new one it sites higher due to the wind shield. I’d try a smaller Keith that sits inside the wind shield and if that doesn’t work I’d put it down to design and stick with what you know.
It’s the little things!
Maybe try getting some carbon padding ( Not sure it's carbon or even called padding) I think it would calm the burn and also contain the fuel if the fit is snug enough. Would I be correct in assuming Mrs M is quite a bit younger than you ? Don't mean to be offensive and no judgment here
That ‘V’ suggests your pot handle would stick out and be closer to the flame?
Great video, but terrible stove Paul 🤣
I've tried a variety of alcohol stoves, but still keep going back to the trusty Trangia.
BTW, loving these videos featuring both yourself and Mrs. M. Here's to many more of them.
I'm currently experimenting with stoves and fuel and finding bioethanol does burn a lot hotter than meths or gel. I'm going to try using 10% water in it to see if that's better. My last outing with the Trangia I tried the simmer ring with bioethanol and that gave a nice controlled flame.
That looked way too dangerous to have in a tent, even with the door open! Those flames were going all over the place. I'm not a fan of alcohol stoves anyway and always surround them with a windshield just to contain the flames a bit. The other problem is the flames are often hard to see so you don't always know there is a risk until it's too late!
Could the pot stand be upside down? If not trash it out. Try to get money back. Shipping is crazy
Love the set up in a small cup. All ti. All robust. Way to erratic a flame! Hoped you set it up wrong on first attempt. But it's so simple, it's unlikely that's the case. Can't believe it got past the testing & development phase...
Blimey. Is that a Molotov cocktail?
Unhappy memory evoked, my eBay buy of Life venture, Ellipse mugs and collapsible bowl. Bowl ok but mugs smelt and tasted odd. If I get back to painting they can be used for brush cleaning.
Always have a wind shield with you.
Thanks for sharing
You and Joe should be at Tramlines
Wow. Surely GoShawk are aware of this,
I'm not even into stoves but I need one of those, looks well engineered
It's a thing of beauty with it engineering. It's just not a controlled flame at all.
@@PaulMessner Yeah, I was a bit premature with my comment!
Mr. Messner, I follow your channel and have enjoyed many of your videos. I have seen other reviews of this stove and have been on the fence about getting one to replace my aging trangia. However, I want to point out that I think using a pole table as a cook top, on top of what looks like very dry grass, is not a very wise choice. here in the US we are having more and more camping places outlawing alcohol stoves use because of fires from well, challenged campers. Please use safety as a first for camping and as an example too. Thank you and look forward to more of your videos.
Your new stove certainly wasn't behaving safely! I'd be hard pressed to trust it, especially with a small pot or any wind gusts.
At least it would contain those dangerous crazy flames.
Great demo Paul. Have you tried it without the windshield ?
Trangia Triangle plus Trangia Potstand.... C'mon, every other company is just is faffing about trying to improve on perfection, the design was perfect & correct to begin with, if it ain't broke don't even try to fix it.... Trangia Paulie. Cheers mate.
Looks bloody lethal. I'd send it back and demand your postage costs as well. No wonder they have so many bush fires in Oz. 😂