MAKING PRECISION GAGE BALLS

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  • Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
  • I show making high precision gage balls from ultra micrograin carbide with normal machine shop tools. Includes rough grinding, lapping, polishing and measuring to very high levels. Hertzian contact deformations are discussed including calculations. ** 0.000005" = 0.127µm (not nm) **
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 947

  • @ThisOldTony
    @ThisOldTony 3 роки тому +751

    amazing work as always but fact that you broke out the point contact calcs blew my mind.
    I clicked the thumbs up button twice!

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +39

      Thanks Tony, glad you enjoyed it!
      ATB, Robin

    • @inifin8
      @inifin8 3 роки тому +74

      So you unliked it

    • @DHClapp
      @DHClapp 3 роки тому +56

      @@inifin8 I believe that was the joke.

    • @twotone3070
      @twotone3070 3 роки тому +6

      I love you work so much, I do that with all of your videos.

    • @Jeff-yy5fe
      @Jeff-yy5fe 3 роки тому +2

      what time was that? Not a TOT joke, serious question.....

  • @TexasHunter59
    @TexasHunter59 3 роки тому +65

    As a machinist for the last 51 years, and finally being able to machine components to +.0000/-.0001 in a production environment, I was beginning to feel pretty good about myself. Now I see this and feel like a hack!!! Thanks Robin.... I'll be sure to mention your name in therapy!!! LOL

  • @Goodwithwood69
    @Goodwithwood69 3 роки тому +71

    I'm only a carpenter, but thanks to you, i wipe my level before i use it! Every time!

    • @Molb0rg
      @Molb0rg 3 роки тому +4

      good boy)))
      sorry :p, can hold myself, but yeah, why not, lol, a good practice.

    • @metalbob3335
      @metalbob3335 3 роки тому +12

      Carpentry is hitting a moving target. I tried doing a bench with no nails in a period of a very humid summer and stopped Midway through. after I came back to it in winter all the documented measurements were off. I, out of frustration I ended up using up the wood for jacking up my truck for a brake job. I am a Savage, I know.

    • @ypaulbrown
      @ypaulbrown Рік тому

      @@metalbob3335 good one....

  • @Redmech80
    @Redmech80 3 роки тому +215

    I’m a heavy equipment mechanic that does some machine work on the side, and I enjoy trying to work to tighter tolerances than necessary. Some of the farmers and equipment owners I make some parts for think I’m working to ridiculous tolerances when i talk “plus or minus a thou”, I’m not gonna let them see this video, then they will know I’m just a hack.

    • @seephor
      @seephor 3 роки тому +17

      A thou compared to what's being shown in this video is like a mile vs. inch.

    • @UncleKennysPlace
      @UncleKennysPlace 3 роки тому +63

      I grind mirrors and lenses as a hobby (amateur telescope maker). We use optical testing, and measure accuracy to a fraction of a wavelength of a certain frequency of light. 1/4 wave is acceptable, 1/10 wave gives you bragging rights. A 0.001" deviation across a 10" mirror would render it useless for anything other than applying clown makeup.

    • @TheOneAndOnlySame
      @TheOneAndOnlySame 3 роки тому +27

      I'm a metal worker , and I make pieces where 1 mm more or less is a-ok !

    • @cholesterol6703
      @cholesterol6703 3 роки тому +17

      @@UncleKennysPlace I think you have just explained the raccoon-look trend in women's eye liner application. They must be using deviated mirrors.

    • @MegaRiffraff
      @MegaRiffraff 3 роки тому

      And I thought I was doing good at my measly 1 thousand ☹️ , I had a friend who got me into machine shop , he worked at a hydraulic firm that made pumps for cat , and John Deere back in the 1990s , he said one of their sets worked under 25 / 1 millions of an inch .

  • @StefanGotteswinter
    @StefanGotteswinter 3 роки тому +84

    Super impressive result with moderate equipment, love it! Thanks for sharing, Stefan

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +9

      Thanks Stefan and thanks for watching.
      ATB, Robin

    • @reiniertl
      @reiniertl 3 роки тому +5

      Hi Stephan, you know from personal experience that "super impressive results" come from mastery and very moderate equipment. You scraping series is mind boggling for someone like me. However, I think Robin went over the moon with this one. A lot to learn from both of you.

  • @markrosenthal890
    @markrosenthal890 3 роки тому +21

    When I was a kid I would watch my grandfather hand lap the glass for the 8" telescope he made. He would assess the quality of his work using home made testing equipment. He was shooting for 25 millionths or less as I recall. He would have loved to have the testing equipment you show in your videos.
    Great job with the video and some of us do enjoy geeking out.

    • @ramanshah7627
      @ramanshah7627 3 місяці тому

      Same - this process also reminded me a lot of grinding and figuring telescope optics! How cool to get to watch your grandpa do this when you were growing up :)

  • @cylosgarage
    @cylosgarage 3 роки тому +20

    Robin is the GOAT and anyone who disagrees can leave

    • @tonywilson4713
      @tonywilson4713 3 роки тому +8

      How about that French guy Jacques de Vaucanson, he only gave us the modern lathe? ua-cam.com/video/djB9oK6pkbA/v-deo.html
      How about that Swedish guy Carl Edvard Johansson who gave us gauge blocks that allowed modern supply chains to exist?
      How about Wayne Moore who's work and book “Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy” Robin refers to occasionally.
      In terms of UA-cam Precision machinists yeah Robin's "the dude" and part of what makes him "the dude" is that he's kept these incredible skills alive and shares them with us. What's truly awesome about people like Robin, Stephan G, Tom Lipton and others is that in a world where the geniuses want everything made as cheap as possible and want people like them to simply disappear they are keeping these skills alive.
      Way back in college when I was doing aerospace I started reading a guy named Asimov. He wrote these "Foundation" novels and in them the Galactic Empire collapses for the simple reason that education collapsed and with it the skill base. I'm in Australia and our industries have been screaming for the last 25 years about the "skill shortage."
      *What Robin and others are doing that's so incredibly important is they are preserving our skills base.*

    • @chenli9734
      @chenli9734 3 роки тому +1

      Hi, Cylo~! How about your air bearing lathe? I cant wait to see it work.

    • @cylosgarage
      @cylosgarage 3 роки тому +1

      @@chenli9734 I’m working on it! More to come soon!

  • @frigzy3748
    @frigzy3748 3 роки тому +50

    "think about everything as if it was made of rubber" - I was taught that during a scraping class with Mr.King

  • @YCM30cnc
    @YCM30cnc 3 роки тому +4

    NOT BORING !!! EDGE OF THE SEAT INFOTAINMENT 👍👍😎😎💪💪..... glad I got your autograph when I met you at SMW Open House ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

  • @bjornSE
    @bjornSE 3 роки тому +9

    In an intellectual way I was aware of that everything deforms but your paper towel demonstration completely blew my mind! You measurably deformed a hunk of steel with a paper towel, that's actual magic!

  • @johnsteuben6864
    @johnsteuben6864 3 роки тому +36

    That's an excellent explanation of Hertzian contacts! I think your emphasis on the uncertainties in material properties is also spot on - this is often completely glossed over.

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 Рік тому +3

    @31:31 - you proceed to give us a master class in precision beyond the normal abilities, set up a measuring stand that's like a space ship and then proceeds to humble himself by saying "rudimentary measurements"! Sir, you are a straight up artist. We had the pleasure of talking for a moment a few years ago when you were in Ohio. It was an honor. I wish you had the ability to make more content.

  • @st3althyone
    @st3althyone 3 роки тому +3

    Robin, you are a great teacher going through all the steps and skipping nothing. I want to thank you for spending all your invaluable time doing this for us that know nothing or are eager to learn something new. We are standing on the shoulders of giants like you, there are not many channels on UA-cam that you can actually learn a new trade or improve on what you’ve learned so far. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking time off your busy schedule to do these videos, you are the best at what you do, bar none!
    Edit: Falling asleep through one of your videos is impossible Rob, they’re extremely exciting to watch.

  • @jerseyjoe2684
    @jerseyjoe2684 3 роки тому +4

    With 45 years experience as a machinist/tool maker, I am always humbled watching your brilliant mind at work.
    Well done, Robin!

  • @NotFarmerFlats
    @NotFarmerFlats Рік тому +4

    It seems to be a machinist thing to be especially proud of their chamfers, always pointing them out. I love it. It is always a nice touch, attention-to-detail kind of a thing.

  • @Engineerd3d
    @Engineerd3d 3 роки тому +4

    Mind blown, if precision measuring was a class, this video is a full semesters full of learning packed into less than 1 hour. Good lord. Loved every second of it. Edit: it probably is a class.

  • @trackie1957
    @trackie1957 3 роки тому +5

    One of the most impressive moments of this was something that you probably didn’t think much about - the little array of grooves you made in the lap using the dental burr. Beautifully spaced, great workmanship for a 60 second job done by hand. You obviously take pride in doing things well.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @honeyforce996
    @honeyforce996 Рік тому +1

    This is the best channel. I wish there was a public fund like PBS, which found similar people of this nature, and paid them to demonstrate their technique/experience on youtube.

  • @malachilandis9542
    @malachilandis9542 3 роки тому +43

    When Robin has an apprentice, they must first master the art of "Kimwipe on, Kimwipe off, Kimwipe on, Kimwipe off" before they can learn the truly powerful techniques.

    • @creamshop
      @creamshop 3 роки тому

      He has a Masters in Kimwipe engineering !

  • @saschaoswald480
    @saschaoswald480 3 роки тому +3

    Didn't fall asleep....got a "congratulations" from THE Robin Renzetti !!!! Gonna go have a T-shirt made now and call my mother;-) Made my day.

  • @davidhughes8539
    @davidhughes8539 3 роки тому +49

    Thank you Robin for the time, energy, and thought I'm sure it takes to put out videos of this high quality. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I'm thinking we could crowd fund you a film crew so you could do a video each week! Keep them coming!

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +8

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @Rob_65
      @Rob_65 3 роки тому +14

      Well spoken. Making stuff like these balls is difficult enough without having to film it. Making quality videos like this is an amazing trade that only few master.

    • @zephyrold2478
      @zephyrold2478 3 роки тому +3

      I second that.

    • @bigmotter001
      @bigmotter001 3 роки тому +3

      @@zephyrold2478 I third it!

    • @beachinrc101
      @beachinrc101 3 роки тому

      4th

  • @blake6403
    @blake6403 3 роки тому +4

    I'm 17yr tool & die maker/machinist and am a big fan of your content. Just wanted to say thanks for sharing.

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen 3 роки тому +3

      If you stick around these parts for long enough you end up developing some kind of OCD that tells you that things aren't precise unless you place individual atoms exactly where they belong in their crystal lattice! :P

  • @azenginerd9498
    @azenginerd9498 3 роки тому +3

    Having been immersed in developing strain-based sensors a lifetime ago, your nerdfests dredge long-dormant memories to the surface. A very pleasing and cathartic remembering. Thanks for delving into the details.

  • @oxtoolco
    @oxtoolco 3 роки тому +298

    What's the modulus of kimwipe material? Fantastic video Robin! I always find it fascinating that with very simple tools you can produce wonderful geometry just by following the rules of physics. Well done my friend.
    All the best,
    Tom

    • @yawpaw9796
      @yawpaw9796 3 роки тому +16

      You two are very usefull humans, write a book, my sons will know about people like you

    • @terryhillyer529
      @terryhillyer529 3 роки тому +15

      Tom already did.

    • @paumasip
      @paumasip 3 роки тому +5

      @@yawpaw9796 i think he did, at least, 2 times. :-)

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +14

      Thanks Tom, means a lot coming from you!
      ATB, Robin

    • @Mishn0
      @Mishn0 3 роки тому +6

      I don't know about modulus, but I know Kimwipes make terrible coffee filters. We found that out in the middle of the Indian Ocean back in 1979. I don't think Amazon would have shipped out there even if they existed.

  • @divingeveryday
    @divingeveryday 3 роки тому +13

    I would never have predicted seeing a diamond core drill while watching Robin make a gage ball. Wonderful!

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer 3 роки тому +1

      One of the many geniuses of Robin...the ability to think outside of the box...a truly great characteristic.

    • @Molb0rg
      @Molb0rg 3 роки тому

      yeah yeah yeah, that was a good part as well.

  • @diegovianavillegas3297
    @diegovianavillegas3297 3 роки тому +7

    Robin video: A perfect gift for the weekend.

  • @sparkyy0007
    @sparkyy0007 3 роки тому +108

    Takes a lot of skill to find such a precise gage ball buried in a cylinder of carbide..

    • @Molb0rg
      @Molb0rg 3 роки тому +3

      nice one))

  • @pummppkinn
    @pummppkinn 3 роки тому +1

    You are truly in a class of your own in terms of Toolmakers. People like you are what give me hope for future of this industry.

  • @westweld
    @westweld 3 роки тому +3

    When I watch your videos I learn that Im overthinking and underthinking machining at the same time. Its mind blowing that a .0000004 world even exists let alone measured

  • @lstearns7639
    @lstearns7639 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for sharing your considerations, methodology, and reference materials. Years from now when facebook, youtube, and instagram are defunct, your lessons will still linger on in our minds.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      You're very welcome!

  • @nickolaguez
    @nickolaguez 3 роки тому +6

    This is what makes yt powerful. I appreciate you Robin

  • @thomasutley
    @thomasutley 3 роки тому +1

    Robin once again demonstrates that everything in the real world is a spring. Fantastic video!

  • @shrikedecil
    @shrikedecil 3 роки тому +11

    As impressed as I was over the making of the ball in the first place...
    ... I'm boggled by the ruby tip!

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer 3 роки тому +2

      Rubies are cool ...They have been using them in precision for a LONG time...i.e. bearings in watches, anvils in watches yada yada.

  • @tsviper
    @tsviper 3 роки тому +13

    As always a wonderfull educational video. As a civil engineer I'm happy when you get +/- 1cm. This level of accuracy is way beyond my world. But o so interesting to watch. Thanks for sharing

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      Thank you very much!

  • @AlmostMachining
    @AlmostMachining 3 роки тому +4

    Fantastic! From the simple tools and methods to achieve precision results measurable in basically a home shop. Not only to have the ability to perform the work and the measurements but to also back them with science. Thank you so much for pushing the edge and showing the way!

  • @paumasip
    @paumasip 3 роки тому +2

    Robin, the amount of knowledge you share on your videos is mesmerizing, love to watch your videos even being far away of my current machining level. thanks for sharing all that in a so crystal clear way.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +1

      Wow, thank you!

  • @outsidescrewball
    @outsidescrewball 3 роки тому +5

    NO snooze here albeit way above my pay grade...enjoyed!! Many lessons taught..thank you!

  • @malcolmreynolds7122
    @malcolmreynolds7122 3 роки тому +2

    I had ZERO idea that these sort of calculations went into measuring to those levels. Cool Video! Thanks for the upload.

  •  3 роки тому +96

    Thank you uncle Robin. More video please!!!!

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer 3 роки тому +4

      Uncle Robin! I like the sound of that. I hope it catches on.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +14

      Thanks for stopping by Cà Lem
      ATB, Uncle Robin

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer 3 роки тому +1

      @@ROBRENZ I had no idea who uncle Robin was. Also...Ca' lem? Closest I could come is Vietnamese ice cream. ATB: I figure is "all the best". Waaaaay beyond my realm here.

  • @KomodoKiller
    @KomodoKiller Рік тому

    I was not bored in the slightest. Thank you for taking the time to explain extreme accuracy.
    For me personally it all stems back from when I worked as a centerless grinding technician and measured my parts with a laser micrometers that were accurate to +/- .00000005 (50 Millionth) I felt it was enjoyable to make super accurate parts and nothing was more satisfying then trying to keep the numbers as close to consistent as possible on a long Cylindrical Rod.
    One moment in particular that stood out was when I was given the “thru feed jobs” that none of the other techs liked to set up or operate. Primarily due to a fear of the wire jumping around while setting up the center-less grinder which would grab at long parts. The bigger the diameter of the wire, ( .150 to .350 for example) the less likely other techs would take the job and set it up.
    I naturally enjoyed this challenge to the point I “mastered” the thru feed big diameter jobs where the Tolerances we’re in the +/- .05th of an inch 😳.
    Normally, I was use to keeping tolerances in the +/- .005 range. So, I took it apron myself to bring the accuracy up to my “standards” as a pet project as a way to cure my boredom with a challenge that doesn’t hurt anyone.
    What transpired over a short time of “R&D” was what I called:
    Me: “A gag pin for NASA”.
    On one particular job, I discovered a way to significantly reduce the vibrations of the spinning part while also significantly reducing the ware of the grinding wheel interacting with the part. I ended up finishing the 150ish part job with 10 foot long gag pins that did not Fluctuate in diameter Along its entire length. Which was measured by our in house laser micrometer with a +/- 50 millionths of an inch in accuracy. (Always wanted to test exactly how Symmetrically round these parts were Down to the nanometer.
    I could never quit understand the “value” of those machined parts and the only close comparison is a 1 inch gag pin with a accuracy of +/- .00005 as the bench mark which go for about $50 a piece.

  • @cliffordfender1159
    @cliffordfender1159 3 роки тому +3

    I feel like I'm back in college, very well demonstrated, and very well explained. Thanks for a great watch, Cliff

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +2

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @Alexander_Sannikov
    @Alexander_Sannikov 3 роки тому +26

    can you get a pre-made ball bearing and repeatedly measure how it's not perfectly round compared to yours?

    • @Molb0rg
      @Molb0rg 3 роки тому +5

      vote that up, I would love to see that

    • @misaelv3223
      @misaelv3223 3 роки тому

      Same

  • @jestempies
    @jestempies 3 роки тому +1

    I can't claim to have understood everything, but the last 20 minutes were eye opening. Thank you.

  • @stevenormandin2059
    @stevenormandin2059 3 роки тому +16

    WOW we are talking X-ray wavelength precision here, just breathing too close to the measurement test rig will make it go out of tolerances AMAZING! :()

  • @georgestone1282
    @georgestone1282 3 роки тому +1

    Puts a new perspective on the world we live in. Very much appreciate the time you have put into documenting this project. George from Indiana

  • @davidmurray700
    @davidmurray700 3 роки тому +36

    AA Guage block standards, but did you account for the difference in gravity between the calibration site and the site of measurement...
    I had to perform that calculation only once in over 10 yrs in a standards cal lab...
    You're getting close to those levels of measurement. Thanks for going through the thought exercise, reminded me how much fun it can be.

    • @fredgenius
      @fredgenius 3 роки тому +6

      That occurred to me too. Also, the gravitational influence of all that heavy machinery nearby, and what about magnetic influence?

    • @somebodyelse6673
      @somebodyelse6673 3 роки тому +2

      Is... is that actually a thing, that you have to know geographically where something was calibrated?

    • @WesleyLeeYang
      @WesleyLeeYang 3 роки тому +1

      @@somebodyelse6673 I think gravity changes slightly with time (as does magnetic north and so on) so I would guess the location is less relevant than the actual measured gravity on the time/location of calibration

    • @douglashill2469
      @douglashill2469 3 роки тому +1

      @@somebodyelse6673 See XKCD 852, "Local g". It would change the weight of the ball by a few percent, potentially.

    • @MVHiltunen
      @MVHiltunen 22 дні тому

      @WesleyLeeYang I know nothing about machining but something about gravity and geodesy.
      Yes, gravity is different in different places on earth. Diminishes with elevation, and is minutely affected by surroundings, but that effect is vanishingly small. Tides also shift the mantle and the crust somewhat, and tide (and moon itself) is the dominating change over time in gravity for a fixed location. We are talking 6th significant digit here.
      There are other effects too. Glacier melt in Greenland is reducing its mass so much it significantly reduces its gravitational pull. That effect is so strong it is lowering avg sea level in Iceland.

  • @JeSuisNerd
    @JeSuisNerd 3 роки тому +1

    Heck I keep going deeper into the precision-machining side of youtube and every day I regret getting into software development just a teeny bit more. I think I'm going to have to take this up as the world's most expensive and coolest hobby.

  • @rizdalegend
    @rizdalegend 3 роки тому +68

    "Everything is made of rubber"

    • @CatNolara
      @CatNolara 3 роки тому +6

      Everything is a spring, you just have to look close enough

    • @devinpeck101
      @devinpeck101 3 роки тому +3

      We need shirts that say “everything is made of rubber... description in audio”

    • @mackk123
      @mackk123 3 роки тому +2

      It's all a rubbery playdoh that acts like a diving board

    • @JinKee
      @JinKee 3 роки тому +3

      Everything is a rubber if you're brave enough.

    • @charlesballiet7074
      @charlesballiet7074 3 роки тому +1

      vibrations technically but close enough

  • @DCDLaserCNC
    @DCDLaserCNC 3 роки тому

    My Dad was a Mechanical Engineer and I remember him talking about measuring things at these extreme accuracies. Very good video and explanations. Thank you for sharing.

  • @jonfeuerborn5859
    @jonfeuerborn5859 3 роки тому +4

    The Carbide Kid say, "Kimwipe on, Kimwipe off. Kimwipe on, Kimwipe off." Well done, Robin-san.

  • @christinaedwards5617
    @christinaedwards5617 3 роки тому +1

    A true master of his craft. Thank you for taking the time to film and explain everything so even I could understand it

  • @miguelangelsimonfernandez5498
    @miguelangelsimonfernandez5498 3 роки тому +11

    Just one minor detail in the presentation of data. Try using lowercase (n) for nanometers because using blockletters can lead to reading Newton-meters

  • @donjohnson605
    @donjohnson605 8 місяців тому

    I love it. I was a precision machinist for many years and find it fascinating 👍

  • @RyJones
    @RyJones 3 роки тому +6

    glad you're back!

  • @hoosierfatha
    @hoosierfatha 3 роки тому

    That was a great example of Elasticity and rigidity in materials. For the average youtuber they may never inspect anything at this level, but they could align a Pump and motor, set a gas turbine for alignment, or set drag or preload a bearing, maybe even do vibration measurement. this is the stuff i wish i could have learned in high school as a machine shop student. it took years of precision machining and design to start to even consider this element of design. Awesome video, please make more...Thank you..

  • @SolidRockMachineShopInc
    @SolidRockMachineShopInc 3 роки тому +3

    As always, another great video Robin!
    Steve

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks Steve and thanks for stopping by.
      ATB, Robin

  • @yourlocalanimeprotagonist888
    @yourlocalanimeprotagonist888 3 роки тому

    Im keeping it 100 with you i havent touched any of this kind of maching tools in my life but did i watch this entire video yes because i felt the knowladge of a master in this video and its true you sir are most deffintly a master of your craft

  • @flintstoneengineering
    @flintstoneengineering 3 роки тому +5

    "Not a typical home shop"... no kidding!

  • @ToBeeOrNotToBeHoney
    @ToBeeOrNotToBeHoney 2 роки тому

    I liked it three times to top TOS. Very interesting, watched all the way to the end and loved seeing the chemwipe demo.

  • @gavendb
    @gavendb 3 роки тому +10

    that moment when you can see your face on the ball during the lapping process...

  • @captcarlos
    @captcarlos 3 роки тому +1

    WOW Robin,
    I'm always amazed at what you can do in your 'Simple Home Work Shop'!
    Plenty of inspiration in this one..
    Thank you.

  • @irishwristwatch2487
    @irishwristwatch2487 3 роки тому +29

    "So if you didnt fall asleep through all of that and actually managed to watch it..."
    Me: What do you mean its the end of the video?

    • @beachinrc101
      @beachinrc101 3 роки тому

      Love how people who have no clue say dumb things

  • @zexsrah5836
    @zexsrah5836 3 роки тому

    Wow the amount of theory, math and machine tool experience is something to take a listen to. You sir know what your talking about hats off to you please keep educating other machinists.

    • @zexsrah5836
      @zexsrah5836 3 роки тому

      Thank you for your experience and knowledge of our trade. Is an apprenticeship open ?

  • @MrCarnutbill67
    @MrCarnutbill67 3 роки тому +21

    I can’t cut 2 pieces of wood to the same damn length for crying out loud.

    • @xMilesxHighxClubx
      @xMilesxHighxClubx 3 роки тому

      lol

    • @bloopbloop5663
      @bloopbloop5663 3 роки тому

      Line the first board you cut with the other and cut on the opposite side of the line to make up for the blade width or use a band saw that can fold down to cut like a chop saw I forgot what they were called

  • @timgrenville-cleave2848
    @timgrenville-cleave2848 2 роки тому

    Hi Robin, not sure how I missed this one the first time around, but, I'm glad I found it. I am a grumpy old git from across the pond, who's early career consisted of causing assorted things and beings to be redistributed over a wide area accompanied by loud noises, and sometimes smoke ). As long as I could work out how far away the object was and how much bang was needed to achieve success and to work out if the Ministry of Defence had indeed issued me with the correct amount of beer tokens each month, I had little use for Math in any form. Turns out I have suffered from Dyscalculia for as long as I can count BUT, I got this straight away and it all makes sense. Now I understand Stefan G's reasons for mentioning your 'lessons'. Thank you.

  • @Alexander_Sannikov
    @Alexander_Sannikov 3 роки тому +9

    this ball has a ground "equator". it would be really cool to see how you'd go around making it seamless and uniformly round in all dimensions. also, how you'd measure its precision in all axes.

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer 3 роки тому +5

      That was the point of the way he set it up AND actually why he used a ball. Just "feel for the top" and you have the highest point in that orientation...leads to ability to measure in all axes. Right?

    • @Gottenhimfella
      @Gottenhimfella 2 роки тому

      ​@@HanstheTraffer but how would you *identify* an axis, [a prerequisite for controlling orientation], if the equator was no longer a feature?

  • @bobolander
    @bobolander 3 роки тому

    once again Yoda. you never cease to amaze. and what blew me away was how you broke it all down so that even a complete n00b not only got it, but you sent my mind racing off in 20 other directions. thanks as always for the amazing lessons.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @robertstredde6798
    @robertstredde6798 3 роки тому +12

    😳 so that final “total approach” number is in the region of an ultraviolet wavelength? Wow! Neat stuff!

  • @corbin72
    @corbin72 3 роки тому

    Absolutely love these types of videos coming from you Rob. Sometimes we need these detailed videos to wrap our brains around the subject matter.

  • @aserta
    @aserta 3 роки тому +5

    Rob makes this look easy, but this ain't easy at all. :))

  • @khanabdulrehman3913
    @khanabdulrehman3913 3 роки тому +1

    Robenz I salute you .as a mechanical engineer I am really impressed with your calculations knowledge ,working and metrology instruments . great job bro great job 👍

  • @AdityaMehendale
    @AdityaMehendale 3 роки тому +9

    Small correction: 5-millionths of an inch is 127 nm at 27:54
    0.127nm is smaller than an atomic diameter of silicon :)
    Brilliant masterclass nevertheless!

    • @citymonkey5929
      @citymonkey5929 3 роки тому

      Right. Its 0,00012725 mm or 0,12725 µm or 127,25 nm

    • @carltauber2939
      @carltauber2939 3 роки тому

      Agreed

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      Agreed!

    • @BrilliantDesignOnline
      @BrilliantDesignOnline 3 роки тому +3

      What's a few decimal places between friends...

    • @DavidRichfield
      @DavidRichfield 3 роки тому +1

      I was also thinking, hang on, visible light wavelengths are on the order of 500 nm, so how can he be measuring fractions of a nm?

  • @billdlv
    @billdlv 3 роки тому

    Great job Robin. Your comments about understanding the basics of what is going on is spot on, it's easy sometimes to get lost in the details and loose sight of the big picture.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      I appreciate that!

  • @daviasdf
    @daviasdf 3 роки тому +7

    Regarding calculating the Hertzian contact stresses, check out HertzWin (freeware). I use it at work all the time, very user friendly.

  • @21BDP21
    @21BDP21 3 роки тому

    I have to admit I finally finished the video. I watch the videos at night to fall asleep to. I find them fascinating, but the pacing is just right for a video to fall asleep too. However sometimes I can't wait and I watch them during the day and don't fall asleep.

  • @andersjjensen
    @andersjjensen 3 роки тому +75

    I DID NOT read that as "making precision gag balls" at first. I swear.

    • @TheArsonsmith4242
      @TheArsonsmith4242 3 роки тому +4

      I even had to double check my spelling comprehension. I couldn't read it as anything else. A quick google search and ... ohhh that makes more sense.

    • @jaewok5G
      @jaewok5G 3 роки тому +8

      I didn't do it either, so much so that I was going to make a similar comment.
      "mrph mll lth ngk mblby mlff"
      "what?"
      "I was just noticing how perfectly round this ball is"
      "oh yeah, I subscribed to RobRenz youtube channel and it's brought me a whole new level of precision satisfaction in my life"

    • @abkh7777
      @abkh7777 3 роки тому

      Thats the reason i entered the video 😬

    • @lordeverybody872
      @lordeverybody872 3 роки тому

      Rube, i got your gag balls right here.

    • @someoneelse7629
      @someoneelse7629 3 роки тому +2

      It was my wife who showed me this video, I didn't even know she was intrested in machining, she just started making stuff from leather, so it might be related to that.....

  • @BasementEngineer
    @BasementEngineer Рік тому

    Mr Renz, most impressive and no I did not fall asleep! Amazing what is achievable with very basic tools and a lot of skill and good judgment. I really enjoyed your calculations on the deformations encountered and allowed for!
    Waaay back I did some gage work at Big Blue and was proud to achieve the tolerance of +.0000 -.0001 inches. This in a good air conditioned tool room with equipment in as-new condition. We had a maintenance crew that would scrape in our machinery to better-than-new tolerances.
    I was surprised at the care and checking it took to achieve this tolerance on a setting gauge for use on a shadowgraph at 100x magnification for parts checking.
    At that time I was still a tool & gauge maker apprentice; I suspect this job may have been a test piece to verify my skills then. As apprentices we did real work on tools, dies, gauges, etc. that were used on the production line.

  • @wdwrxco
    @wdwrxco 3 роки тому +14

    then when you come home and find your kids playing marbles with them...

  • @iiredeye
    @iiredeye 3 роки тому

    I have worked in precision engineering for many years...But this is truly on another level. Thanks for sharing with us all.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @ZergZfTw
    @ZergZfTw 3 роки тому +7

    Nice to see another HP calculator user, that's definitely the best calculator to get actual work done.
    So, when are you going to get a laser interferometer to measure things?

    • @Scooter-k1h
      @Scooter-k1h 3 роки тому

      I think I would not use a laser interferometer. In the above example, utilizing physical metrology tooling gives me confidence in the results. Robrenz accounting of the squish differences gives a solid result with known factors. But the utilization of light brings in something that I have no confidence in. Humidity and density of the surrounding air. I think a lab with a controlled atmosphere and no human contact would give me confident results at this level of precision utilizing light. Just my 2c. :)

    • @jmikronis7376
      @jmikronis7376 3 роки тому +1

      @@Scooter-k1h,
      How accurate are interferometers? A state-of-the-art interferometer can measure distances to within 1 nanometer (one billionth of a meter, which is about the width of 10 hydrogen atoms), but like any other kind of measurement, it's subject to errors.Feb 22, 2021

    • @Scooter-k1h
      @Scooter-k1h 3 роки тому

      ​@@jmikronis7376 As you stated, interferometers are extremely accurate. They use light to take measurements. Water (moisture) will act like a prism and deflect the light causing an error in the reading. Air density will increase or decrease the amount of moisture in a given area and increase or decrease the amount of error in the reading. Even in a controlled environment with air pressure and moisture being controlled, if an object moves in this space, the air/moisture density does change. Like in a bath tub, if one pushes the water to a wall, there is a buildup of fluid at that wall. The same is true with air. So human interaction will cause a change. Even our body temp will make changes. The human aspect is taken into account with the example you brought up. In the case of the accuracy Robrenz is achieving, air and moisture will cause deviations that are difficult to account for if an interferometer is used. The inspection method Robrenz is using will produce accurate, repeatable results in an un-controlled environment. Having said all that, I am curious to see what the deviation is between Robrenz readings and a controlled environment interferometer reading is.

    • @jmikronis7376
      @jmikronis7376 3 роки тому

      @@Scooter-k1h, I included the laser interferometer only because of its extreme accuracy. It’s not a useful device in doing lathe work. Your method is as good as I know to do the job. I think we are in agreement on this. I wasn’t trying to be difficult. My apologies.

    • @Scooter-k1h
      @Scooter-k1h 3 роки тому

      @@jmikronis7376 No worries!

  • @ABH313
    @ABH313 3 роки тому

    This was so insightful. Thank you for sharing some of your knowledge with us common folk

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @paulrayner4514
    @paulrayner4514 3 роки тому +3

    I find it difficult machining repeatably to 0.01, in my hobby shed I might add. after watching this my head has gone boom.

  • @trufix72
    @trufix72 3 роки тому +1

    Your skills always blows my mind. And I didn't fall asleep.

  • @alexandrevaliquette1941
    @alexandrevaliquette1941 3 роки тому +13

    29:00"Yeah, it's accurate, I measured it with my trusty BS meter!!!"
    "BS" not sure about that logo to inspire trust in precision.

  • @Alexander_Sannikov
    @Alexander_Sannikov 3 роки тому

    mounting wax? calibrating projector? core drills on a lathe? lapping a sphere? i had no idea any of those existed, i learned more than I expected from this video.

  • @davidbingen2377
    @davidbingen2377 3 роки тому +4

    When I was doing bridge calculations or even survey calculations, I always tried it keep in mind the difference between accuracy and precision. The two are NOT the same!

    • @Jmoneysmoothboy
      @Jmoneysmoothboy 3 роки тому +1

      If you google "accurate" it says it's the "quality or state of being correct or precise". Which begs the question is google inaccurate? or imprecise?

    • @xmachine7003
      @xmachine7003 3 роки тому +1

      @@Jmoneysmoothboy can be both.

    • @Jmoneysmoothboy
      @Jmoneysmoothboy 3 роки тому

      @@xmachine7003That answer was accurate but imprecise and this comment thread is "on google". How was the accuracy/precision of google changed? Will it change again with your response?

    • @deconteesawyer5758
      @deconteesawyer5758 Рік тому

      @@Jmoneysmoothboy Accuracy and precision of Google results are both adjusted to suit the profitability of ad revenue and the political payoff of censorship in displaying results.

  • @besenyeim
    @besenyeim 3 роки тому +2

    Falling asleep?! Haven't been this excited for weeks. I wish I had the patience and persistence for this kind of work.

  • @johnkelly9046
    @johnkelly9046 6 місяців тому

    I'm glad i found your channel. I really enjoyed watching this masterclass in perfection. Thank you. 👍

  • @bob5074
    @bob5074 3 роки тому +4

    Did you really think we didn’t see in the reflection of that ball, that you were naked when you were lapping it?

  • @gwharton68
    @gwharton68 3 роки тому

    Thanks Robin. One of the best YT videos of the century.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому

      Glad you think so!

  • @2000freefuel
    @2000freefuel 3 роки тому +4

    Why is it so hard to source a 1 and 1/16" inch tungsten ball?

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  3 роки тому +5

      Very low demand ;-)

  • @AlexCNC
    @AlexCNC 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome! Especially liked the in depth explanation of the deformation.

  • @jaewok5G
    @jaewok5G 3 роки тому +6

    Now you just need take your number punch and stamp those balls so you'll know what size they are!
    "You never look at the universe the same once you realize that nothing is remotely solid and 'touching' is an unrealistic metaphor."

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland 3 роки тому +2

      Even punching with a number would redistribute the atoms enough that the overall diameter will be distorted and have to be relapped!
      Just like the diameter of a balloon expands when you press a thumb into it.

    • @Gottenhimfella
      @Gottenhimfella 2 роки тому

      @@ahaveland methinks Jim "make ze littel joke, ya?"
      Good luck punching TC. Would require a solid diamond number punch and preheat to several thousand degrees.

  • @jaycobie
    @jaycobie 3 роки тому

    That kimwipe demonstration was very enlightening

  • @69hytek
    @69hytek 3 роки тому +3

    Bit rough! Is how I look at my jobs after watching your videos. Tom has the same effect on me as it would happen.
    You need to make a shirt 'RODRENZ "Lift your game bitch" ' It's an inspirational piece :D

  • @mfeldheim
    @mfeldheim Рік тому

    The measuring blew my mind. Thanks for sharing sir!

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Рік тому

      Glad you liked it!

  • @kimber1958
    @kimber1958 3 роки тому +4

    It kind of reminds me that I don’t know squat there’s a lifetime of learning a head of me

    • @xmachine7003
      @xmachine7003 3 роки тому +1

      We are to learn until we die.

  • @transmitterguy478
    @transmitterguy478 Рік тому

    Very interesting. I have often wondered about fine precision measuring devices and how it's done. I learned a lot, Thanks for the video.

  • @davidgibson5756
    @davidgibson5756 3 роки тому +3

    At this level gravity (location) and tidal effects(time of day) come into play as well.

  • @devinpeck101
    @devinpeck101 3 роки тому

    Fantastic Robin! When people ask how I got interested in machining I tell them Tom Lipton gave me the fever. Once people get to know me they ask how I became so mental about precision and I tell them about you for hours! Thank you Robin! Forever in your debt.