i haven't gone online yet yall so if looking at the datamines gives us more to talk about for this loop... WE GONNA HAVE A FIELD DAY (i'll join yall soon im still looking for the paradoxes LOL)
Kinda just assumed their corpse was in the rubble somewhere. Its just the AI may not have been strong enough to move it. Or wanted to conserve their power so they didn't even command their pokemon to do it. @@manoftruth0935
Are we not going to talk about how we are the reason arven lost his parents because we gave them the ideas of building a AI and everything and terapagos
Nah, he probably would have died down there anyway. He mentions wanting to finish his project before going home, and would have stayed down there either way.
I’m pretty sure it just created a new kind of timeline or the professor we met was from a different timeline and not ours because the copy of the book is already here and also the way the professor describes bringing in Pokémon it’s almost sounding as if they come from different timelines and not past and future of our own timeline
The part that breaks my heart about all of this, is that we, Arven’s best friend, are potentially part of the reason his parent died. We can’t even tell him about what happened at the Crystal Pool either! If you show him the S/V Book in his dorm room, he basically just goes “Hey, did you grab the copy from the school library? Good times, bud. :)” On one hand, I don’t want to accidentally send him down a wind goose chase trying to get his parent back, possibly regressing his growth and creating more paradoxes in the process, but at the same time I feel like he deserves to know.
Sometimes not telling the truth is the right thing to do, especially when that information being withdrawn could potentially cause harm. Unless if that said information is a lie being hidden, it's alright. Arven doesn't have to know the truth. He doesn't need to be weighed down by it.
@@d.saunders2506 It actually depends on the context to be honest. When we magnify onto the details of the information if it were to be kept from Arven VS the information that was kept from Kieran, it doesn't have the same context and gravity, therefore the motivation behind from keeping the information is different. Not to mention that Kieran and Arven are not the same age, nor have the same personality, nor have the same lives and backstory, nor have the same desires and goals, therefore they'll react differently to their truths if they were to know it or being refused to know. Let's not even bring up common sense of knowing *when* to reveal the truth to someone. Different situations require different types of solutions. It's far better to pay attention to how a person would feel if they were to be told a particular information, rather than just making this all about a right, or else you could become part of the blame by telling the truth in the wrong place at the wrong time, even in a wrong manner. You're also overblowing it when you made an accusation of keeping the truth from Arven as "destructive" than the truth itself because it implies that Arven is suffering if he remains in the dark about this new information, in fact he's not. The reason why I said the way I said it because there's nothing that's inciting for the event in the Crystal Pool to be told to him. Arven is not seeking about it. He doesn't seem to need to know more. Until Arven does, then it would create a cause for me to reconsider my decision. If then I still refused to tell him when he's seeking it out, that's when it'll become harmful (not necessarily "destructive" since Arven already made closure with what happened with his dad/mom before the DLC events began anyways). But that moment is not now. You're taking leaps of judgment, skipping essential nuanced steps, as now explained above.
@@d.saunders2506Since your take is a overblown, I’m going to match it with one of my own: If a person shows up to the front of your door with the intention to kill someone you know who’s home and ask you if so and so is there, you’re telling me you are going to say yes? All because the “aim to shelter is more destructive than the truth”? Context very much so matters, my friend.
@@MirHrvyour example is stupid and makes no sense because the discussion is about telling someone you care about a truth that might hurt them. You would not care about a killer nor would the truth hurt their feelings. You are ignoring the fact that this is a very specific case where no one is in danger, this is purely about whether or not lying to someone purely based on the idea that the truth would emotionally harm them, which the game at least argues against. Your take is way more overblown than theirs it's like if if I used the idea of a doctor having to tell someone they are ill so they can try and cure them even if it might make them sad as an example or something it's not really related to the topic. Edit: why did my comment multiply wtf
He did seen the Ai and the Ai explained to that’s enough and it’s not a child fault a legendary Pokemon brought his dead parent to the future they should’ve brought the other who didn’t die and left the other
I still believe that Terapagos grants wishes/dreams, but it seems like with this context; it grants them in a similar vein as Jirachi, and ironically Mystery Dungeon explains it pretty damn well on how the "wish granting" occurs. If you don't wanna read a wall of text; Tldr: _You get to pick the wish, you don't get to pick HOW it's granted._ In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon:Explorers of Sky, you play as an actual human turned into a Pokemon, who you go on special rescue missions with your partner. Around the extra bits of story, you eventually find out that one of your guild mates, _Bidoof_ made a wish to Jirachi on one faithful adventure. What's Bidoof's wish? He wishes "For a buddy that I can be a mentor to." Someone that Bidoof can help/guide to becoming a great explorer. How did Jirachi grant it? Well, Jirachi basically makes it come to fruition. The entire reason _you_ as the player in that story, gets turned into a Pokemon; all the events that lead up to it and all the events that proceeded afterwards, it was all because Jirachi granted Bidoof's wish. For context, this wish also involved time travel, Bidoof's wish literally caused a split timeline where humanity/pokemon met a dark future due to Dialga being corrupted and starts to go on a rampage, and is one of the reasons why you inevitably turn into a Pokemon in that story. I believe, Terapagos does the same as Jirachi. It "grants" wishes based on what the individual asks for, but it twists events/scenarios for it to actually happen. Sada/Turo wanted to see the Paradoxes Heath saw, but had limited their wish to requiring a "time machine" so Terapagos grants them that wish by having a scenario where a past Sada/Turo gets transported to a future timeline where they already achieved the time machine + AI, and sends them back in the past with all this newfound knowledge. I personally don't think that Bidoof wished for such a scenario to happen, nor did I think Sada/Turo would have wanted their wishes granted if it meant they lost the trust/love/respect from their only son, and also lose their lives in the process, but basically the lesson is _You get to pick the wish, you don't get to pick HOW it's granted._
This sounds about Right from what I figured - *Terapagos sensed Sada/Turo's Desire for a new Lead on Terastal Energy* to secure more Time and Money to Research Area Zero, so Terapagos contacted _a Potential Future Version of Itself_ that had the Information with it's Powers, getting them to Send the Professor to The Player to give them the Lead they were after... The 'Cost' of *Tampering with an Unresolved Timeline however,* is usually Disastrous: Soon after finally Completing the Time Machine and bringing the Koraidon/Miraidon they met with you to their Present Time, they'd end up _losing their Own Life to Another of these Pokémon_ in a Territorial Dispute; knowing *the kinder Pokémon needs to Survive to befriend the Player and Appear to them in his/her Past,* the Professor stands between the Bully and its Target, encouraging it to get away - _and getting Hit from Behind by the Bully's Signiature Attack..._ ...The AI Professor sends Koraidon/Miraidon off to Arven to keep it Safe, and *Follows the Events listed out in Briar's Book,* so that the Time Loop is Preserved... except _from what we Currently Know, it couldn't be_ - thanks to another issue caused by the Professor's Actions! _Trading his/her Scarlet/Violet Book to the Player_ was a Dangerous Mistake, as they found out after *reading about it's Importance in Briar's Book.* Without it, the Time Machine wouldn't be able to be Shut Down _how Briar's Book says it was:_ Professor Sada/Turo discovered that Obtaining Future Knowledge from The Player meant that *until this Time Loop had been Resolved, all Future Events must occur according to the Contents of Briar's Book* *_to the Letter_* - and _Deviating from how Fate has been Written by Terapagos' Power_ would result in *the potential Collapse of the Space/Time Continuum!* Thus, after completing the Construction of the Time Machine, _Sada/Turo made One Last Request of Terapagos,_ knowing that using it's Ability to Manipulate Events that Haven't Happened Yet once again *would lead to his Early Demise in Return.* They Activated the Time Machine, and _from the Theoretical Future appeared Koraidon/Miraidon, with the Professor's Scarlet/Violet Book in it's Mouth..._ *...MEANING* the Koraidon/Miraidon the Professor first gets is sent Directly to Him/Her *BY THE PLAYER* in *_a Final Epilogue Event of Scarlet/Violet,_* using the Very Time Machine they Created to send *both your Box Legendary and the Scarlet/Violet Book they gave You back to Them* to Complete the Time Loop, Shut Down a likely Reactivated PPP, and *_prevent the Cataclysm wrought from Terapagos causing a BootStrap Time Paradox!_*
The bootstrap paradox, as this is known as, was actually a really interesting direction for them to go down for this. Paradox Pokémon were only brought into this world as a result of a paradox. It makes me wonder if they have any plans to do something with that.
Idk if you noticed but a lot of movies games comics and other things have all been about multiverse and timelines this year it’s been wild how they all timed it at the same time
This paradox is destroying me cuz people keep calling it a loop, but like you mentioned in the very end, its impossible because the prof gave us their personal childhood book- which is the very one Arven found at home and eventually used as the key to shut off the time machine. If they no longer have their personal book, then they have no way to turn the time machine on or off and overall set off the story that lead to our journey. And yes our prof did write about a child giving them a white book.. but that only works if they had kept their own scarlet/violet book after the meeting. In the end the only thing I can assume is that theyre from another timeline (which we know its possible as seen with ORAS and USUM) and that trade may have just saved the professor simply cuz they no longer had the "key" to kickstart everything. Maybe "our" Sara/Turo kept their own book after encountering another MC's timeline and thats what set off what happened in our games.
People are ignoring the fact Sada / Turo gives you their personal book to try and justify it being a bootstrap paradox but if you take in all the facts it doesn’t add up.
i could really see another DLC storywise but i dont see enough content, unless we can ourself fix the time machine with turos book and start another journey in the future. With terapagos we could even go back to our time since the time machine only allows humans to go one direction
@@wedding6515 the way I see it,the main story of a 3rd DLC could involve us graduating, and us going to another area or looking deeper into Heath's life and finding more of his research. Maybe we'll go to the past/future and see more paradox Pokemon?
Someone pointed on reddit out that the professors that appear at the pool aren't from our timeline, but from a separate one where they've never given the book to Arven. So make the the timeline true, an alternate version of the player gave our timeline's professors their white book and we trade with their professor. Making two separate universe conjoined in a singular timeline and loop.
Hear me out, the reason the time machine emergency shut off didn't work in the main story, is because the book we bring from the lab isn't the real book (bc the real book is with us in the future)
If this is so, it would mean that Sada/Turo always had two signed copies of the Scarlet/Violet books, one given as a trade for the White book and the other he left behind which Arven later had. The one given to the players is the real deal with the code installed on the book to activate the time machine.
@@BuizelCreambut he hadn't made the time machine yet. So how would he program something into the book he gave away before creating the thing the book is for?
@@minefish This is true, it seems. No wonder the time machine room is inaccessible and has not gained any relevancy even after meeting Sada/Turo and getting his book..
Tyranitar, could you talk about the unsolved mysteries of area zero, such as: the indestructible steel table or the engravings in one of the caves and their possible meanings after the DLC?
To start the loop, Sada/Turo must have initially made a time machine by finding Terapagos and understanding it's power but not necessarily through the player giving them Briar's Book. Even Heath experienced something similar to Sada/Turo as well, with a page they dont remember writing in their book after meeting Terapagos. There must have been an alternate version of Heath that wrote that page but Terapagos transferred this information to the historical Health with it's abilities. This lines up with what Sada/Turo mention about alternate timellines influencing each other. Terapagos' has the ability to pull things from an infinite possibilities of past or future alternate timelines. So in this way, it's time travel but with endless outcomes that whatever you can dream of, is probably a reality somewhere in the totality of the Pokemon universe. Terapagos itself may or may not be able to time travel itself. I assume this is different from Dialga or Celebi who can only interact with one timeline with their time travel powers. I'll leave you with this; If i draw a circle, there is an initial point at where I started it to draw it, even if you cant distinguish it.
What if Terapagos isnt a "time travel" Pokémon, but a *timeline* or "multiverse" Pokémon? If i remember correctly, someone in the Indigo Disk DLC mentions that the Paradoxes are brought from other timelines
This is EXACTLY what I think! Many people are mad that we got another time travelling Pokemon when we already had Celebi and Dialga. But, the game itself hints that Terapagos isn't time travelling, it is timeline travelling. The Sada/Turo it pulled out is not from our past, it's from an alternate timeline's past. I think this was an interesting thing they did, and it could tie well into the anime, where Terapagos did the same thing with the ancient traveller. Now that we know more about it, maybe what it showed in that episode was not a vision of the traveller, but the traveller itself from the past of an alternate reality. This kinda makes me sad because it seems like Sada/Turo are destined to die in every timeline, as there is a version of us in every timeline that pulls a Sada/Turo from another timeline and esentially gets them killed.
Terapagos can also freeze the time with crystallizing. As the main legend I mean.. So is just a controlling thing of its power. The professors could have died trying to help it control its power underneath. Which is more sad.. Remember the journal note which says something about controlling the energy of crystallization. Maybe the professor needed strong pokemon to tame terapagos energy underneath. They didn't make it to call for help. Also Terapagos is not an evil pokemon. Just needed taming of its power.
Something doesn't makes sense... DLC Sada/Turo mentioned that Arven was at home but they didn't pull Koraidon/Miraidon yet. But the journals in Area Zero states that Arven wasn't born until after Koraidon/Miraidon was pulled. So the only explenation is that DLC Sada/Turo is from a different timeline. At least thats how I read it...
They never mention that Miraidon/Koraidon wasn't with them. They only don't name it yet. They don't say "It's that a Winged King/Iron Serpent". They say it's THE Winged King/Iron Serpent. They were familiar with that specimen in particular. My bet is that Sada/Turo in was the same after Arven's birth. Also, the Tera Orb was a side project to the Time Machine. They were working on it from the beginning when studying the Terastal phenomenon and Area Zero in general.
The raidon was pulled shortly after arven was born. The journal says the professor had two “new lives” to care for. Arven being mentioned first and the surprise arrival of the paradox mon being the second.
It was Koraidon/Miraidon who prompted Terapagos to summon Professor Sada/Turo to the Crystal Pool at Kitakami. It was as if Koraidon/Miraidon whispered to Terapagos "I wish I could see the Professor again. Can it be done?"
So I guess the previous iterations were unstable enough Dialga had to come in to fix it as the guardian of time itself... somehow Dialga has to have played a part we even get Dialga and Palkia through a tera raid event hinting at time being messed with along with space because space is shaped by the events that occur in time. They both had to step in to stabilize the timeline which makes me curious what it was like for the ither iterations as Dialga and Palkia were trying to make a cohesive loop to stabilize everything. You could introduce it as a final send off as a dpc where you get the chance to observe the past interations now that the loop is closed there's no harm in observing from an outside perspective.
This maybe also how the parents were aware they wouldn't be around forever. They set the AI to care for Arven, knowing full well they'd have to be the parent(s) they couldn't be for him. It breaks my heart that Arven couldnt have a conversation with them... but it makes so much sense? That would be too easy, defeating the growth/loss Arven had in the story. 😢
@@XParasiteOctolingit was more that it didn’t seem like gamefreak would go down that path. Also the original Japanese story was of a time traveling turtle so I didn’t see why they wouldn’t stick to that.
That's what I'm saying, it lines up with the timeline. Briar has Heath's original copy, so everything after that is copies. The professor can't possible have only one copy because the Scarlet/Violet is a mass produced book at that point. This "Broken Time loop" only works if you base on the fact taht the Professor just simply never gets another book to leave at the Lighthouse/used in the time machine, which is just plain silly if you ask me.
What if AI Turo doesn't travel to the future, but to the past, and gives back the Violet Book to human Turo? In the journals, he states "My new assistant has intellect and technical skills to rival my own. A bit rigid at times, but I've got no serious complaints. Productivity has doubled." Turo never states that he created it, only that he has a new assistant and all of us assumed he was talking about the AI. That would imply it's the same AI traveling back in the loop every single time and it should be aware of that, but it was also malfunctioning due to the system corruption. The idea is that Turo never created the AI, it simply appeared one day from the future claiming to be his creation
Oh that could make sense! Might be an alternative to the idea of Turo/Sada possessing multiple copies of the signed Scarlet/Violet book for the time loop to work.
Ttar you have become my favorite Pokemon tuber. When it comes to theory crafting and explaining other theories or parts of Pokemon, you are really good! I have seen some of your videos and they are really fun to watch. You have made me love even more Gen 9th, and I already love it in the first place
There is also the indigo disk itself, someone had to give it to Geeta so she gives it to you, probably was Turo himself so the loop can happen, which most likely read in the white book.
I think thats exactly what we have to do next. Travel back in time somehow and make sure arven finds the book to keep the time loop going. If he never gets it in the past... That timeline might be messed up... His mabosstiff might never make it :(
I think turo giving us the violet book in exchange for the white book might be a new warp in the paradox loop or he just made a new violet book with his name and key to launch the time machine OR maybe the white book became the new violet book with the key to launch the time machine.
Okay, so I think this whole thing can work if we not only take a look at time, but also space and delve into the whole multiverse theory. And the way I think it works is that the Professor we talk to at the lake is from another copy of the game/another world/another universe, while the Professor we know has received their White book from another child (not us) while being brought into someone else's copy of the game by the Terapagos from that game. This way both Scarlet/Violet books (the one the Prof gives us at the lake and the one Arven owns) can exist at the same time. It also: 1) Addresses the Prof's assumption they were pulled through time and space, they just don't realize the scale; 2) Is still consistent with the fact that our story still happens even if we don't go to the lake with Terapagos. Some other trainer has already given our Professor Briar's book, it's us who are yet to trigger those events in a different universe. P. S. Isn't it funny how Heath was the one accused of lying while Sada and Turo were actually the ones giving themselves credit for all the ideas and names they found through the Lake encounter and Briar's book? 😄
This is the only way everything makes sense: Sada/Turo (I'll just say Turo) gets the Violet Book as a child, and it captures his imagination. Eventually he has a son, but is too obsessed with everything to do with Area Zero to care for him properly. He has ideas of building a machine to take Pokémon from alternate timelines, but hasn't actually done it yet. Then, here are the only two options that avoid an actual temporal paradox: 1. The Turo from our timeline is transported to the Crystal Pool, gets the idea of building an AI, gives us his copy of the Violet Book, and takes Briar's Book. Afterwards, he's sent to an alternate timeline, and an alternate version of him that met an alternate version of us is placed in our timeline's past. To clarify: Our Turo meets Our Florian/Juliana in the future (our present), exchanges books, and is then sent to an alternate timeline. Other Turo meets Other Florian/Juliana, gets their copy of Briar's Book but doesn't give his Violet Book in return, and then comes to our timeline's past, where he writes that he got a White Volume from a child, builds an AI, uses his Violet Book as the key to the time machine, and dies protecting our Miraidon, which is *not* the Miraidon he met in his timeline's Kitakami. In this interpretation, we met Arven's original father, but an alternate version of him builds the time machine and saves Miraidon at the cost of his own life. 2. The Turo from our timeline is transported to an alternate Kitakami, and didn't have his Violet Book with him, meaning it was left in our timeline. The Turo we meet is from an alternate timeline, and he did have his Violet Book with him. He trades that to us for Briar's Book, and is then sent to our timeline's past, where he finds Our Turo's Violet Book, and uses it as the key to the time machine. In this interpretation, we never meet Arven's original father, but Other Turo meets Our Miraidon (who remembers him), travels back in time, pulls it from an alternate timeline, which is when Miraidon meets him, and then sacrifices himself to save it, all before he actually met it. Truly, this interpretation is the JohnKat of Pokémon. In both interpretations, though, Arven is abandoned by Turo at a young age, and the closest he ever gets to seeing his father again is when he meets the AI copy of an alternate timeline version of him that's trying to kill him. Yikes!
Yo TTar, I've noticed two things important you might want to take a look at. 1) After taking to Past/Paradox Professor, the title screen changes to a sunset. But the thing to note is that it's a setting sun on Paldea/SV but night hasn't completely fallen yet. 2) continuing off of the previous its kinda weird the chosen returning legends. We have Gen 1/2/3/5/7/8 represented, Meloetta is returning as catchable but the missing legends are intriguing. We're missing the main 3 of Galar as well as Calyrex, which makes sense as those were the previous gens major pokemon and known as single specimens. Gen 4 is missing as well but we got remakes and a new style of game based off them last Gen so that kinda makes sense. But who didn't make the cut? Despite the numerous mascots of other gens being brought back, Gen 6 is completely unrepresented for no logical reason. So what if, were getting Kalos DLC in 2024 and not Unova remakes like everyone thinks.
Could the white fog Terapagos used while summoning the professor be the same white fog that covers Area Zero? Could that be how Heath saw future/past Paradox Donphan before the creation of the time machine? Terapagos may have pulled some of the paradox Pokemon through time while it slept, and Sada/Turo used the machine to pull even more into the present.
My idea is that in all previous loops- they never traded the S/V Book away for one reason or another. This one, they finally did, breaking the loop, never allowing the Time Machine to get activated for whatever the next loop is, and essentially forcing the timeline they go back to to never have Arven in possession of their book. The timeline we play in is the final before the loop is finally broken. My guess at the thing that broke the loop? Kieran interfering and catching Terapagos, or alternatively, Pecharunt slightly influencing Kieran's want for power in the first place. Think about it? Without "evil" angry Kieran in Area Zero with us, the player catches Terapagos, and we have nobody to ever terastalize it to since Kieran doesn't want to battle, atleast not in Area Zero. It likely gets Terastalized in a controlled environment on the surface or something of the sort. The book is then made and handed off to the past professor. Something changed and it broke the loop.
7:05 I wouldn't be so sure There are some scenarios in fiction, when Paradox is supposed to happen in order for something else to go further. yk... it's not always a wrong thing
Are we 100% sure that the copy of the violet/scarlet book arven has was his parents treasured version and not some random copy? If so that would explain why the Time Machine went haywire rather than turn off at the climax
@@nup89710 their signature was on the one from the main game? Interesting. If so, it’s still possible that they signed both copies but maybe only put their ID on the one they gave us. Idk 🤷🏼♂️
Didn't arven find the book in his parents house where we first meet him, if sada/turo only ever came out of the lab after summoning miraidon/koraidon, according to dialog from arven, then they would have had to leave the book at the house but if they were still messing with the time machine after that they needed some alternative key to use it instead of the book
@@Spotdy321it is. Even the item description is the same for both books. "A record of the expedition that the author, Heath, went on within the Great Crater of Paldea. The book has the name “Turo” written on it in clumsy handwriting." AI Turo and Arven also mention that Turo liked that book very much, since he was a kid or something.
man I am trying so hard to find a second or disproof the timeloop but it keeps looping everytime, this might just be the best thought out pokemon game yet.
10:42 well turo might have got another copy from the academy or already had another one. If i remember correctly, the book he gaves us is different from arven's book. At least to me, the decorations seem older on the first book than the ones on the second.
We know Briar wasn't told that the time machine room has a time machine - when we arrive at the Zero Lab she just says she'd been told that there's a "mysterious room that has an unknown purpose" and that the main character went in that room.
Dont forget that there are multiple Scarlet/Violet book, maybe one is the original (Briar's one maybe ), but there is the one that Arven gives to us and also the one that the prof teleported by Terapagos gives us. There may be multiple "original ones" so it is still a complete paradox when we think about it
Maybe there is two timelines: the original timeline where this doesn't happen and he leaves the book, and the timeloop timeline you explains, and they're basically merged together to make one timeline, thus the paradox.
I could easily spell this wrong, but the theory is called cobality loop. It's a time travel incident where going back in time secures an action to do something in the future to continue that action where going back in the past occurs. This isn't the first time anime or fiction has done this. in dragonball super, Goku black's time ring follows trunk's time machine to the past which is something a time ring cannot do in practice, but it only does so he can fight goku for a period of time, which encourages goku to fight the zamasu of his timeline which inspires zamasu to become goku black, creating the events that will lead to following trunks to the past again.
The fact that Arden has the scarlet/violet book doesn’t break the paradox, since we know that it was published and multiple copies exist. And even if that wasn’t the case, you could argue that Arven has the copy from the school’s library.
Perhaps when the professor travelled through the future, they were simply plucked out of that point in time for the encounters we experience in-game. That way, when they go back, they have the white volume that leads to the events of S/V, but the Scarlet/Violet book are back wherever they left it (as far as the timeline is concerned). They weren't physically removed, and as far as the past is concerned, they came back with something new. Or Heath published the book so that there were multiple copies and the professor bought a new one. who knows
As someone who doesn’t play the dlcs I will say the cutscenes they make are really good like u can’t tell from their body language what emotions they are feeling the only thing it lacks is voice acting then Pokémon will be peak once again
The fact that this scene establishes conflicting time paradoxes is hilarious. First is that by giving Briar's Book to the professor, we establish a bootstrap paradox by giving the professor information that they become responsible for creating. Second is that we take their childhood copy of the Scarlet/Violet book, which establishes a grandfather paradox by preventing Arven from obtaining it. We know that this isn't an alternate timeline Professor because the Professor from our own timeline documents this encounter. Also, regarding the Professor's statement that Paradox Pokémon come from alternative timelines, we already know by means of their AI that the Professor genuinely believed their creation to be an actual time machine, but that still doesn't explain why the Paradox Pokémon were present in Area Zero 200 years ago. We could assume that Terapagos uses its power to transport them from the present day Area Zero, but assuming that's true it means we have another bootstrap paradox weaved into this entire conspiracy. Either way, we don't know for certain that it's a time machine because we never see it interacting with real things that actually existed in the past. Besides that, if the machine works by catching Pokémon from the past/future, why are they running wild in Area Zero? Sada/Turo couldn't pay for Pokémon HOME? As if that were not enough, there's the matter of Koraidon/Miraidon's naming. We know, because the Professor states they want to hang out more with Korai/Mirai, that the Professor has yet to actually get their "time machine" to work. That means they hadn't renamed the Winged King/Iron Serpent… which means the name comes from us, because that's the name given by the Professor. Another bootstrap paradox! Personally, I see no difference between pulling a Pokémon in from alternate timelines and simply 3D printing your Fakémons. If we're invoking Many Worlds, and any fiction can be "real" because there are infinite universes, then there's nothing stopping both of the conflicting interpretations from being true. They're paradoxes because they violate established lore. They're paradoxes because a time paradox created them, or brought them here. It's all self-contradicting, and what's another term for "self-contradiction"? "Paradox" This game's story has been stuck in my head for a year already, and I don't think it's getting out anytime soon.
I’m pretty sure that Geeta did not tell Briar about the Time Machine room or the AI professor. She doesn’t seem to know about it, just that the elevator before we switch it leads to “a room with an unknown purpose”.
Maybe in DLC3 we'll give the book to Arven and Arven will give it to his parent in the Crystal Pool once again. This would be a much past version of his parent who met us, so they won't recognize our existence. The Don will have no need to exist the Ball because they already go closure by interaction in the Indigo Disk. Professor's copy of the book will be a paradox item, since it was never "created" or originally signed to begin with. Maybe Arven deletes the signature before giving the book because he knows that's what time demands. That's why the signature will be clumsy, because it's Arven writing his parent's signature from fresh memory. Or maybe Arven just deletes the signature as is after realizing a loop has to be made, then the Prof just signs it. It could be Arven saying "I think this is yours" or the Professor claiming it as theirs upon receiving. It's either way. Terapagos went to sleep after slipping Heath to Area Subzero where he might've met the Prof to get some notes. And that's why Paradox mons are there and in the crater, they were snatched from time during Terapagos's time. Once he went back to sleep, no more paradoxes so future expedition thought Heath was a liar. They're Fallers. The Time Machine simply enhances into that tapped energy during slumber. It's an enabler for a natural event.
The crazy thing I just realized is that Terapagos WANTED THIS WHOLE THING TO HAPPEN You only find and catch him because of the series of events in this Bootstrap Paradox. He breaks a Master Ball to get away from Kieran and let him become yours. He doesn't even need to be in your party when you go to the Crystal Pool, he comes out and causes the loop regardless. The question now is, does he have any other ulterior motives? He could have needed a human to get him out of the gemstone form and out of Area Zero, but what if he wanted something else to happen? The first idea that came to my mind is that this could be setting up the "Paradox" remake of BW that leakers have brought up. What if Scarlet and Violet actually happen before Black and White, and Terapagos creating the Bootstrap Paradox causes the events of the game to be altered?
My theory for solving the book not working within the loop is that at the time of Sada/Turo giving you the book, the book isn't the key to the time machine because the time machine doesn't exist yet for it to be a key. Sada/Turo could easily obtain another copy to take new notes in, informed by Briar's book. This copy would then become the key to the time machine, with the professor knowing the other copy would exist somewhere in the potentially multiple timelines. The professor's original copy of the book would never had been made the key if the professor had just given it to some random kid in exchange for the white book.
tldr: the professor got a new copy of the book and made that the key this explains why we still can't get back down to the time machine and activate it because we don't actually have the key, we just have a dusty old book
Hey, I think I got it. Heath and his team were transported through time into the present day Area Zero, full of Paradox Pokémon. This is why they created the paradox of how Heath saw the Paradox Pokémon if it was Sada/Turo that brought them through the Time Machine. So we are in a Time Loop inside a Time Loop. This explains the lack of information about them, because the original timeline was lost. The unfamiliar place? One of the labs, maybe even the Zero Lab. He was talking with some of the scientists or even Sada/Turo themselves.
Its so interesting it turned out to be a big timeloop story. The thing about this timeloop is that its self contained in the 10 year timespan which only brings up two questions. What is the Origin of the Indigo Disk, and how Geeta got her hands on it. I know that timeloops can always find a way to satisfy itself as long as no one is aware of its existence to act against it, but I just find it off to just write it off that Sada/Turo created the indigo Disk based on the White book the player gives them, there has to be more to it.
I think whats happening is sort of a doctor who situation (spoilers for Nuwho): during the second season of the 11th doctor’s era an older version of himself is 1100 years old. Hes gone thru several adventures, and he meets with the old gang, but when someone stops by, he gives the signal and tells the gang “whatever happens DO NOT INTERFERE!” He then gets shot by the one other person he loves besides himself, on purpose, to set the loop. Then later, when they get to a restaurant, another version of the same doctor appears but this time hes younger. Hes holding a card thay says 1st. Now preprogrammed with that knowledge the group try to prevent the doctor from knowing his future event, however he finds out eventually, setting the loop as a loop. Once it turns full circle, all of time itself converges on a single day and never ticks forward without the doctor interacting with that special person. Translation?: i think this moment is a situation like this. All of time has converged on this one place and time allowing past selves to encounter future people but until the moment has come full circle they forgot the interaction and chalk it up to myth, stories, hallucinations, etc.
I would love Gamefreak so much if (just like the event in XY where the old man dies after some time), there is a hidden easter egg in the SV data where after a couple years, the professor is now alive when you visit them at area zero after you've completed this time loop event
I could be remembering this wrong however if I remember correctly the version of the Scarlet/Violet book that the professor has is one of the mass produced distribution copies that was published. (The one with blacked out parts and can also be found in the school etc.) As such the professor could have given us a copy of the book and then just secure it another. It was only Brair who had a copy of the original copy written by Heath directly without any blacked out parts.
This is exactly what i was thinking and messing with my head when i saw this cutscene. If the professor doesn't have the Scarlet/Violet book anymore, how is that Arven got his hands on it if no longer exist on that timeline? This is one of many questions created as because of this time loop
I’m guessing that Sada and Turo have multiple copies of the Scarlet & Violet book. Because (1), it’s not a special copy or anything, it’s the publicly available version of Heath’s work where he blacks everything out. Only Briar has the original manuscript. Heck, even our school has a copy of the publicly released S&V books in the library! (2) when we trade the white book for the S/V book, the Time Machine has not yet been made. And so when Sada and Turo DO make the Time Machine, they can take any copy of the S/V book and assign their ID/fingerprint to it. Like, the book that they traded us at the crystal pool, it doesn’t have some magical ID fingerprint on it y’know. It’s just a BOOK! It’s paper. Only when Sada & Turo make the Time Machine would there THEN be the need for some sort of special key, and a unique one at that. And so the professors take a treasured version/volume that they loved as a child, imprinted a special digital ID to them, and leaves it behind accidentally that Arven eventually gets.
As I personally see it, turo was stuck on a dead end and couldn’t in any logical way make a time machine. Though he did find the idea of creating an AI really useful. And as we discover in sv final boss fight, the ai themselves are made with terastal energy. So I think that we did inspire turo to create the ai but all of this was made possible because we gave him the book and he discovered terapagos. And since terastal energy is known to enhance machinery he could have made the Time Machine with terastal energy as well.
The thing that puts a whole in the loop theory is that the professor no longer has the violet book anymore when they return to their time. Its a small difference, but it matters extremely. Because if thats the case, how does Arven still have the violet book during the events of the story. From the way the professor talks, its possible its their only copy. Perhaps its not a loop of one timeline, but a spiral of mulitple ones.
Terapagos is 100% a troll. The Crystal Lake is said to be able to give visions of those who've passed away. Terapagos summoned them forward shortly before their own demise. I theorize that the Professors had already begun Time-Space experimentation because they were already speaking about capturing pokemon from different periods in time and not just the Time Machine unit itself.
Maybe the original timeline is us giving them the book without wanting their book in return. So with us Trading them the book we created another paradox
this is what i'm trying to tell y'all: the reason it doesn't make sense that the Violet book is in the future but the White book ISN'T in the past, there are only notes, is that what happened at the Crystal Pool was a "dream" where the Professor gets extra information that they needed and they then write the information down in a fugue state JUST LIKE HEATH. Heath lost consciousness, and woke up having written stuff down that he couldn't understand and he put that in his book. the Professor gets the book as a kid and studies to understand what is in it but can't harness the energy necessary to build the time machine. they have a dream where they learn that one day they figured it out, get the idea for AI assistant, get the idea for the name of the Winged King and Iron Serpent, and write out what they learn, create the Tera Orbs, get funding for the time machine, make the AI, make the time machine, finally see Arven for a bit until the paradox Cyclizar needs to return to Area Zero, die in Area Zero then our story starts. we didn't give them a book, we inspired them
Sada/Turo probably just bought a new copy of the Scarlet/Violet book. If there's a copy on the shelf at the academy, then theres likely one at the local bookstore
But my understanding is that these paradox Pokémon aren't real. They are imaginations of people brought to life by Terapog. The time machine doesn't really transport Pokémon from the past/future, it's basically a wish making device powered by teragpolis
@TyranitarTube Part of me feels like Heath did adventure slightly in Area Zero but because their adventure was so boring, they left and nothing to write about. Then somewhere in this time loop theory, Briar sees Heath at the Crystal Pool during the Teal Mask storyline, and gives him the Scarlet/Violet book. Or somehow gives Heath this info about everything in Area Zero. So then he puts all this stuff in the Scarlet and Violet book based off our adventure through the whole story and what Briar wrote down. It makes sense why no one during Heath’s time would believe it because everything in the book somehow only happened because the professor created the Time Machine and all the crazy stuff like Terapagos and it’s Terastal State. Somehow it’s like Briar had to give Heath this info and this book is what he published. Nothing in the book mentions Koraidon or Miraidon because it’s our Pokémon and not Briars. Crazy theory but I mean since this whole time loop idea is going I have to believe that Briar gave Heath the info about everything and he published the book based off what Briar told him at the Crystal Lake
To continue on that point, I read the book again and he writes about the Phantom Memory where he strayed from the team and was transported. He says he doesn’t recall writing anything down but that has to mean he was transported to the Crystal Pool I believe
Briar does not know the time machine was made. She says something like "there is apparently a room under the Zero Lab whose purpose is entirely unknown" meaning the details geeta didnt tell briar regarded the time machine
What if we got a third part to the DLC - kinda like Delta Episode length - which is just mainly plot and lore for what happens with the timeline? Like we know there's some locked content beyond Indigo Disk, so what if we can revisit the time machine room again and use the Scarlet/Violet book from Sada/Turo to reactivate it, thus triggering an event where they get their book back (so it can appear in the main game) and answer our last few questions about how this timeline works and how the paradox sustains itself? Not necessarily telling us what the paradox pokemon are still, but enough to work out how Heath's part of the story plays into the paradoxical time loop we've created with Sada/Turo - because we know the time machine is responsible for bringing the paradox mons to present day, but we still don't quite know how they ended up in Area Zero all those years before. Better yet, what if the AI professor is the cause of that and instead of going to the "far past/future", they actually ended up in Heath's time (because the machine was breaking) and ultimately have to start the initial events that caused the paradox using the pokemon that they had just fought us with in the present? But then for the Pokedex we know that both past and future paradixes exist concurrently in our 10-year loop, therefore, I reckon we only have half of a time loop here and there's a whole other aspect we're just completely missing...
This has nothing to do with this video in particular but i wanted to ask does anyone think we should worry about drayton? because carmine says to never let your guard down around him and she feels like he's up to something and kieran just like carmine says he feels like drayton is planning something , and that hes going to stop whatever he's planning and earlier on in the game kieran says drayton is playing puppet master which is what people assumed the peach pokemon was doing to kieran along with drayton specifically saying peachy to Kieran. I just think its to much dialogue that makes drayton suspicious. I hope my theroy can be touched upon if it makes sense to you all.
I feel like we are still missing something to tie everything together so I’m hoping for a potential third DLC! Not to mention some things from the data mine like “Zombie Trainers” and the other potential forms of Koraidon and Miraidon. Also we have the part of Area Zero with the strange symbols on the floor
If you get the fly ability for koraidon/miraidon in the post game, you can fly on top of the terarium core which gives you an ability patch, gold bottle cap and stellar tera shards but you also get a really good look at the inside of the core and it looks like a giant tera crystal inside. But also the core changes colours after you beat the DLC
Briar mentioned that she added crystals from the underdetphs to it when she gave you the white book. It's also why stellar type pokemon appear in the terrarium.
It could be a professor from an alternate timeline. And you notice that in his/her journal they mention getting the white book from a child but never did it state that they gave up their book. I think that child was a parallel version of your character. That or the professor had two books. Take your pick.
So there is no confirmation whether or not its Sado/Toro's personal version of the Scarlet and Violet book, or if it's the only one. Also, it might not be a traditional time loop. It could be a multiversal time loop where the timeline staggers and there is always a child in the future trading books with them. And we play one of the various time lines, and repeat the cycle.
I have a theory, what if the reason we met sada/turo at the crystal pool is because we have a book, what if the the encounter between people from different timelines is because both have a book, so that would mean, the scarlet/violet book is extremely old, which would mean, if this was true, what book did heath gave to the person he encounters
You could say that the whole game is creating the loop. Thats why terapagos name is unreadable in the first place, cause it didnt exist yet. We get its name from the book that wasnt published. In other words we get access to information Sada/Turo didnt have and then give it to them at the crystal pool which jumpstarts everything. We are the ones to create the paradox. You can technically create a perfect time loop by creating a source point. The source point would be the meteor crashing into paldea and terapagos power awakening and stabilizing. This is where it gets weird. We can see things clearly alien or futuristic and ancient in nature. Something or someone advanced came in contact with terapagos. This is where the blue prints for the time machine comes from. It could be a paradox where it was Sada and Turo from the future with the basic plans for it, their own research and blueprints to create one by using enough energy. They are the ones who talk to heath about the blue prints which heath puts in the book and the later Sada/Turo base their research on that like loading a newgame +. Or it could be a third party from the distant future instigating the possibility, with them talking to heath and thats what chains into Heath putting it in the book for Sada/Turo and making the machine, which loops or it feeds into another sada/turo talking to heath and so on. While the later Sada/Turo learn the blueprints from heaths book, they go to the future and then meet with the main character and learn everything from the white book and follow through with the games events. After learning about terapagos awakening they are able to use its power to make the Time machine as they theorized and the game events happen. And so it loops. They become the ones to talk to heath and create the scarlet/violet books. Terapagos stabilizes everything so that it all loops into itself.
🚨🚨🚨 I spoke to Arven right after you get send back to the menu, when u respawn in your room at the academy. There is new dialogue with him: “Oh you took the violet book from the library? Guess this book has some unique meanings to both of us” or something like that.” 😢
i haven't gone online yet yall so if looking at the datamines gives us more to talk about for this loop... WE GONNA HAVE A FIELD DAY
(i'll join yall soon im still looking for the paradoxes LOL)
Datamines don't talk much about the loop rn but it does talk about an epilogue, which uses pecharunt(dokutaro)
You gotta do the Perrin quest first
SIR PLEASE RELEASE POKEMON SWORD RANDOMIZER NUZLOCKE
It is because Heath probably received the book from Sada or Turo, which recloses the paradox timeloop.
Toby bird keeper did a video on the paradox Pokemon talking about what are they really check out his video and great work on the video
Poor Arven having to deal with the fact his best friend gave his parents the book that helped them make the machine that killed them
What makes it extra sad is the professor made sure to save our Koraidon / Miraidon because otherwise the timeline would just collapse
You’d think we would’ve found an unmarked grave in Area Zero by now. The AI never even found the body either.
Kinda just assumed their corpse was in the rubble somewhere. Its just the AI may not have been strong enough to move it. Or wanted to conserve their power so they didn't even command their pokemon to do it. @@manoftruth0935
@@manoftruth0935pretty sure the ai said he was like very bloody but not said directly when either heading down to elevator or first finding turo AI
Made me actually sad to see Turo. Wish the game gave me the option to say, "Stay with your son, he needs you."
Farewell, fellow traveler.
I bid you adieu!
Are we not going to talk about how we are the reason arven lost his parents because we gave them the ideas of building a AI and everything and terapagos
Wait.... no.... it can't... be... NOOOO!
You mean arven
Nah, he probably would have died down there anyway. He mentions wanting to finish his project before going home, and would have stayed down there either way.
I’m pretty sure it just created a new kind of timeline or the professor we met was from a different timeline and not ours because the copy of the book is already here and also the way the professor describes bringing in Pokémon it’s almost sounding as if they come from different timelines and not past and future of our own timeline
No. We don't speak such things! 🤫
The part that breaks my heart about all of this, is that we, Arven’s best friend, are potentially part of the reason his parent died. We can’t even tell him about what happened at the Crystal Pool either! If you show him the S/V Book in his dorm room, he basically just goes “Hey, did you grab the copy from the school library? Good times, bud. :)” On one hand, I don’t want to accidentally send him down a wind goose chase trying to get his parent back, possibly regressing his growth and creating more paradoxes in the process, but at the same time I feel like he deserves to know.
Sometimes not telling the truth is the right thing to do, especially when that information being withdrawn could potentially cause harm. Unless if that said information is a lie being hidden, it's alright. Arven doesn't have to know the truth. He doesn't need to be weighed down by it.
@@d.saunders2506 It actually depends on the context to be honest. When we magnify onto the details of the information if it were to be kept from Arven VS the information that was kept from Kieran, it doesn't have the same context and gravity, therefore the motivation behind from keeping the information is different. Not to mention that Kieran and Arven are not the same age, nor have the same personality, nor have the same lives and backstory, nor have the same desires and goals, therefore they'll react differently to their truths if they were to know it or being refused to know. Let's not even bring up common sense of knowing *when* to reveal the truth to someone.
Different situations require different types of solutions. It's far better to pay attention to how a person would feel if they were to be told a particular information, rather than just making this all about a right, or else you could become part of the blame by telling the truth in the wrong place at the wrong time, even in a wrong manner.
You're also overblowing it when you made an accusation of keeping the truth from Arven as "destructive" than the truth itself because it implies that Arven is suffering if he remains in the dark about this new information, in fact he's not. The reason why I said the way I said it because there's nothing that's inciting for the event in the Crystal Pool to be told to him. Arven is not seeking about it. He doesn't seem to need to know more. Until Arven does, then it would create a cause for me to reconsider my decision. If then I still refused to tell him when he's seeking it out, that's when it'll become harmful (not necessarily "destructive" since Arven already made closure with what happened with his dad/mom before the DLC events began anyways). But that moment is not now. You're taking leaps of judgment, skipping essential nuanced steps, as now explained above.
@@d.saunders2506Since your take is a overblown, I’m going to match it with one of my own:
If a person shows up to the front of your door with the intention to kill someone you know who’s home and ask you if so and so is there, you’re telling me you are going to say yes? All because the “aim to shelter is more destructive than the truth”?
Context very much so matters, my friend.
@@MirHrvyour example is stupid and makes no sense because the discussion is about telling someone you care about a truth that might hurt them. You would not care about a killer nor would the truth hurt their feelings. You are ignoring the fact that this is a very specific case where no one is in danger, this is purely about whether or not lying to someone purely based on the idea that the truth would emotionally harm them, which the game at least argues against.
Your take is way more overblown than theirs it's like if if I used the idea of a doctor having to tell someone they are ill so they can try and cure them even if it might make them sad as an example or something it's not really related to the topic.
Edit: why did my comment multiply wtf
He did seen the Ai and the Ai explained to that’s enough and it’s not a child fault a legendary Pokemon brought his dead parent to the future they should’ve brought the other who didn’t die and left the other
I still believe that Terapagos grants wishes/dreams, but it seems like with this context; it grants them in a similar vein as Jirachi, and ironically Mystery Dungeon explains it pretty damn well on how the "wish granting" occurs. If you don't wanna read a wall of text; Tldr: _You get to pick the wish, you don't get to pick HOW it's granted._
In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon:Explorers of Sky, you play as an actual human turned into a Pokemon, who you go on special rescue missions with your partner.
Around the extra bits of story, you eventually find out that one of your guild mates, _Bidoof_ made a wish to Jirachi on one faithful adventure.
What's Bidoof's wish? He wishes "For a buddy that I can be a mentor to." Someone that Bidoof can help/guide to becoming a great explorer.
How did Jirachi grant it? Well, Jirachi basically makes it come to fruition. The entire reason _you_ as the player in that story, gets turned into a Pokemon; all the events that lead up to it and all the events that proceeded afterwards, it was all because Jirachi granted Bidoof's wish.
For context, this wish also involved time travel, Bidoof's wish literally caused a split timeline where humanity/pokemon met a dark future due to Dialga being corrupted and starts to go on a rampage, and is one of the reasons why you inevitably turn into a Pokemon in that story.
I believe, Terapagos does the same as Jirachi.
It "grants" wishes based on what the individual asks for, but it twists events/scenarios for it to actually happen.
Sada/Turo wanted to see the Paradoxes Heath saw, but had limited their wish to requiring a "time machine"
so Terapagos grants them that wish by having a scenario where a past Sada/Turo gets transported to a future timeline where they already achieved the time machine + AI, and sends them back in the past with all this newfound knowledge.
I personally don't think that Bidoof wished for such a scenario to happen, nor did I think Sada/Turo would have wanted their wishes granted if it meant they lost the trust/love/respect from their only son, and also lose their lives in the process, but basically the lesson is
_You get to pick the wish, you don't get to pick HOW it's granted._
This sounds about Right from what I figured - *Terapagos sensed Sada/Turo's Desire for a new Lead on Terastal Energy* to secure more Time and Money to Research Area Zero, so Terapagos contacted _a Potential Future Version of Itself_ that had the Information with it's Powers, getting them to Send the Professor to The Player to give them the Lead they were after...
The 'Cost' of *Tampering with an Unresolved Timeline however,* is usually Disastrous: Soon after finally Completing the Time Machine and bringing the Koraidon/Miraidon they met with you to their Present Time, they'd end up _losing their Own Life to Another of these Pokémon_ in a Territorial Dispute; knowing *the kinder Pokémon needs to Survive to befriend the Player and Appear to them in his/her Past,* the Professor stands between the Bully and its Target, encouraging it to get away - _and getting Hit from Behind by the Bully's Signiature Attack..._
...The AI Professor sends Koraidon/Miraidon off to Arven to keep it Safe, and *Follows the Events listed out in Briar's Book,* so that the Time Loop is Preserved... except _from what we Currently Know, it couldn't be_ - thanks to another issue caused by the Professor's Actions!
_Trading his/her Scarlet/Violet Book to the Player_ was a Dangerous Mistake, as they found out after *reading about it's Importance in Briar's Book.* Without it, the Time Machine wouldn't be able to be Shut Down _how Briar's Book says it was:_ Professor Sada/Turo discovered that Obtaining Future Knowledge from The Player meant that *until this Time Loop had been Resolved, all Future Events must occur according to the Contents of Briar's Book* *_to the Letter_* - and _Deviating from how Fate has been Written by Terapagos' Power_ would result in *the potential Collapse of the Space/Time Continuum!*
Thus, after completing the Construction of the Time Machine, _Sada/Turo made One Last Request of Terapagos,_ knowing that using it's Ability to Manipulate Events that Haven't Happened Yet once again *would lead to his Early Demise in Return.* They Activated the Time Machine, and _from the Theoretical Future appeared Koraidon/Miraidon, with the Professor's Scarlet/Violet Book in it's Mouth..._
*...MEANING* the Koraidon/Miraidon the Professor first gets is sent Directly to Him/Her *BY THE PLAYER* in *_a Final Epilogue Event of Scarlet/Violet,_* using the Very Time Machine they Created to send *both your Box Legendary and the Scarlet/Violet Book they gave You back to Them* to Complete the Time Loop, Shut Down a likely Reactivated PPP, and *_prevent the Cataclysm wrought from Terapagos causing a BootStrap Time Paradox!_*
I like your pfp
“It’s almost scary to know history and feel like you’re falling behind on schedule.”
Pff… that line hits hard.
The bootstrap paradox, as this is known as, was actually a really interesting direction for them to go down for this. Paradox Pokémon were only brought into this world as a result of a paradox. It makes me wonder if they have any plans to do something with that.
What the paradox Pokémon are a paradox no way
Before this DLC this "bootstrap paradox" appeared in another Nintendo game. The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom.
Idk if you noticed but a lot of movies games comics and other things have all been about multiverse and timelines this year it’s been wild how they all timed it at the same time
Who really composed Beethoven's Fifth? (Doctor Who's Bootstrap Paradox analogy)
Legends terapagos would go crazy. But that'll prolly take more than a decade or two to come out
This paradox is destroying me cuz people keep calling it a loop, but like you mentioned in the very end, its impossible because the prof gave us their personal childhood book- which is the very one Arven found at home and eventually used as the key to shut off the time machine. If they no longer have their personal book, then they have no way to turn the time machine on or off and overall set off the story that lead to our journey. And yes our prof did write about a child giving them a white book.. but that only works if they had kept their own scarlet/violet book after the meeting. In the end the only thing I can assume is that theyre from another timeline (which we know its possible as seen with ORAS and USUM) and that trade may have just saved the professor simply cuz they no longer had the "key" to kickstart everything. Maybe "our" Sara/Turo kept their own book after encountering another MC's timeline and thats what set off what happened in our games.
kinda hope that is what this is, just a alternate timeline and we inadvertantly saved arven's dad by taking the s/v book.
What happens if you say no to giving him Briar's book?
@Elekeon I didn't try but i assume the game just force you to say yes like they usually do with their yes/no answer
People are ignoring the fact Sada / Turo gives you their personal book to try and justify it being a bootstrap paradox but if you take in all the facts it doesn’t add up.
That’s what I hope happens as well. Since we will never know, I’m choosing to believe it.
Terapagos really out here showing that Dialga slaking by casually caused a *time loop* 🤣
dialga gonna be pissed
Terapagos out here causing Dialga some strong coughs & hiccups with this lmao
There needs to be another DLC.
1 hour long event coming....Peach involved
i could really see another DLC storywise but i dont see enough content, unless we can ourself fix the time machine with turos book and start another journey in the future. With terapagos we could even go back to our time since the time machine only allows humans to go one direction
Exactly
Peach incoming
@@wedding6515 the way I see it,the main story of a 3rd DLC could involve us graduating, and us going to another area or looking deeper into Heath's life and finding more of his research. Maybe we'll go to the past/future and see more paradox Pokemon?
Someone pointed on reddit out that the professors that appear at the pool aren't from our timeline, but from a separate one where they've never given the book to Arven. So make the the timeline true, an alternate version of the player gave our timeline's professors their white book and we trade with their professor. Making two separate universe conjoined in a singular timeline and loop.
I got goosebumps when it returned me back to the title screen and that music started playing I'm so glad that I was not spoiled about it
Hear me out, the reason the time machine emergency shut off didn't work in the main story, is because the book we bring from the lab isn't the real book (bc the real book is with us in the future)
If this is so, it would mean that Sada/Turo always had two signed copies of the Scarlet/Violet books, one given as a trade for the White book and the other he left behind which Arven later had. The one given to the players is the real deal with the code installed on the book to activate the time machine.
It didn't work because the professors anticipated someone shutting it down so they had a back up plan lol the A.I. nothing to do with the book.
@@BuizelCreambut he hadn't made the time machine yet. So how would he program something into the book he gave away before creating the thing the book is for?
@@minefish This is true, it seems. No wonder the time machine room is inaccessible and has not gained any relevancy even after meeting Sada/Turo and getting his book..
Tyranitar, could you talk about the unsolved mysteries of area zero, such as: the indestructible steel table or the engravings in one of the caves and their possible meanings after the DLC?
I still like the idea that Terapagos was like "want to ruin one boy's life? Lol." 🤣
and kieran, he's got a type
To start the loop, Sada/Turo must have initially made a time machine by finding Terapagos and understanding it's power but not necessarily through the player giving them Briar's Book.
Even Heath experienced something similar to Sada/Turo as well, with a page they dont remember writing in their book after meeting Terapagos. There must have been an alternate version of Heath that wrote that page but Terapagos transferred this information to the historical Health with it's abilities. This lines up with what Sada/Turo mention about alternate timellines influencing each other.
Terapagos' has the ability to pull things from an infinite possibilities of past or future alternate timelines.
So in this way, it's time travel but with endless outcomes that whatever you can dream of, is probably a reality somewhere in the totality of the Pokemon universe.
Terapagos itself may or may not be able to time travel itself. I assume this is different from Dialga or Celebi who can only interact with one timeline with their time travel powers.
I'll leave you with this; If i draw a circle, there is an initial point at where I started it to draw it, even if you cant distinguish it.
steins gate music in the background is so fitting. goated taste my man
What if Terapagos isnt a "time travel" Pokémon, but a *timeline* or "multiverse" Pokémon? If i remember correctly, someone in the Indigo Disk DLC mentions that the Paradoxes are brought from other timelines
This is EXACTLY what I think! Many people are mad that we got another time travelling Pokemon when we already had Celebi and Dialga. But, the game itself hints that Terapagos isn't time travelling, it is timeline travelling. The Sada/Turo it pulled out is not from our past, it's from an alternate timeline's past.
I think this was an interesting thing they did, and it could tie well into the anime, where Terapagos did the same thing with the ancient traveller. Now that we know more about it, maybe what it showed in that episode was not a vision of the traveller, but the traveller itself from the past of an alternate reality.
This kinda makes me sad because it seems like Sada/Turo are destined to die in every timeline, as there is a version of us in every timeline that pulls a Sada/Turo from another timeline and esentially gets them killed.
Terapagos can also freeze the time with crystallizing. As the main legend I mean..
So is just a controlling thing of its power.
The professors could have died trying to help it control its power underneath. Which is more sad..
Remember the journal note which says something about controlling the energy of crystallization.
Maybe the professor needed strong pokemon to tame terapagos energy underneath.
They didn't make it to call for help.
Also Terapagos is not an evil pokemon. Just needed taming of its power.
It's still time travel it doesn't matter how it's done
@@derekosgood3230 Not really though. There's a significant difference between travelling in time and travelling between timelines
@@VenkataB123 I'm just saying it's still time travel. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Something doesn't makes sense... DLC Sada/Turo mentioned that Arven was at home but they didn't pull Koraidon/Miraidon yet. But the journals in Area Zero states that Arven wasn't born until after Koraidon/Miraidon was pulled. So the only explenation is that DLC Sada/Turo is from a different timeline. At least thats how I read it...
They never mention that Miraidon/Koraidon wasn't with them. They only don't name it yet. They don't say "It's that a Winged King/Iron Serpent". They say it's THE Winged King/Iron Serpent. They were familiar with that specimen in particular. My bet is that Sada/Turo in was the same after Arven's birth. Also, the Tera Orb was a side project to the Time Machine. They were working on it from the beginning when studying the Terastal phenomenon and Area Zero in general.
The raidon was pulled shortly after arven was born. The journal says the professor had two “new lives” to care for. Arven being mentioned first and the surprise arrival of the paradox mon being the second.
It was Koraidon/Miraidon who prompted Terapagos to summon Professor Sada/Turo to the Crystal Pool at Kitakami. It was as if Koraidon/Miraidon whispered to Terapagos "I wish I could see the Professor again. Can it be done?"
So I guess the previous iterations were unstable enough Dialga had to come in to fix it as the guardian of time itself... somehow Dialga has to have played a part we even get Dialga and Palkia through a tera raid event hinting at time being messed with along with space because space is shaped by the events that occur in time. They both had to step in to stabilize the timeline which makes me curious what it was like for the ither iterations as Dialga and Palkia were trying to make a cohesive loop to stabilize everything. You could introduce it as a final send off as a dpc where you get the chance to observe the past interations now that the loop is closed there's no harm in observing from an outside perspective.
This maybe also how the parents were aware they wouldn't be around forever. They set the AI to care for Arven, knowing full well they'd have to be the parent(s) they couldn't be for him. It breaks my heart that Arven couldnt have a conversation with them... but it makes so much sense? That would be too easy, defeating the growth/loss Arven had in the story. 😢
I like how almost no fan theories were in the indigo disk
Alternate Timeline theory?
I never bought into the dream theory it literally never made sense to me that anyone thought it possible
@@Hamood____ What never made sense about it
I mean i can understand that there fan theories
@@XParasiteOctolingit was more that it didn’t seem like gamefreak would go down that path. Also the original Japanese story was of a time traveling turtle so I didn’t see why they wouldn’t stick to that.
The simplest solution here is that the book we’re given is simply a copy. Would make sense for Sada/Turo to have multiple copies of the book.
That's what I'm saying, it lines up with the timeline. Briar has Heath's original copy, so everything after that is copies. The professor can't possible have only one copy because the Scarlet/Violet is a mass produced book at that point. This "Broken Time loop" only works if you base on the fact taht the Professor just simply never gets another book to leave at the Lighthouse/used in the time machine, which is just plain silly if you ask me.
What if AI Turo doesn't travel to the future, but to the past, and gives back the Violet Book to human Turo?
In the journals, he states "My new assistant has intellect and technical skills to rival my own. A bit rigid at times, but I've got no serious complaints. Productivity has doubled." Turo never states that he created it, only that he has a new assistant and all of us assumed he was talking about the AI.
That would imply it's the same AI traveling back in the loop every single time and it should be aware of that, but it was also malfunctioning due to the system corruption. The idea is that Turo never created the AI, it simply appeared one day from the future claiming to be his creation
Oh that could make sense! Might be an alternative to the idea of Turo/Sada possessing multiple copies of the signed Scarlet/Violet book for the time loop to work.
Ttar you have become my favorite Pokemon tuber.
When it comes to theory crafting and explaining other theories or parts of Pokemon, you are really good! I have seen some of your videos and they are really fun to watch.
You have made me love even more Gen 9th, and I already love it in the first place
this whole idea was so cool, but the evidence u gave, legitimately gave me goosebumps.
There is also the indigo disk itself, someone had to give it to Geeta so she gives it to you, probably was Turo himself so the loop can happen, which most likely read in the white book.
If you look, when you start up your file after the professor's cutscene, the book is back on the table, like with on a new file, but no pokeball.
I think that the book we get from Arven is just a second copy that Sada/Turo bought for their son when Arven was younger.
I think we will get a part 3. They dropped to many new things to just be dropping it for gen 10 or legends
I don’t think we will
we definitely won’t
Definitely not a Part 3 of Hidden Treasure of Area Zero, but i could see them giving us a free update type of post-dlc story blurb or something.
is this a paradox?
What is dlc 3??????
Yoooo game freak went insanely deep with this story
Fucking amazing !!! Ttar big ups to you for all your hard work man !!
I think thats exactly what we have to do next. Travel back in time somehow and make sure arven finds the book to keep the time loop going. If he never gets it in the past... That timeline might be messed up... His mabosstiff might never make it :(
I think turo giving us the violet book in exchange for the white book might be a new warp in the paradox loop or he just made a new violet book with his name and key to launch the time machine OR maybe the white book became the new violet book with the key to launch the time machine.
I think the last one and thats the paradox. Which book was the first one written?
I just love your work man, keep it up!!!
Okay, so I think this whole thing can work if we not only take a look at time, but also space and delve into the whole multiverse theory. And the way I think it works is that the Professor we talk to at the lake is from another copy of the game/another world/another universe, while the Professor we know has received their White book from another child (not us) while being brought into someone else's copy of the game by the Terapagos from that game. This way both Scarlet/Violet books (the one the Prof gives us at the lake and the one Arven owns) can exist at the same time.
It also:
1) Addresses the Prof's assumption they were pulled through time and space, they just don't realize the scale;
2) Is still consistent with the fact that our story still happens even if we don't go to the lake with Terapagos. Some other trainer has already given our Professor Briar's book, it's us who are yet to trigger those events in a different universe.
P. S. Isn't it funny how Heath was the one accused of lying while Sada and Turo were actually the ones giving themselves credit for all the ideas and names they found through the Lake encounter and Briar's book? 😄
This was such an amazing video!! :D
This is the only way everything makes sense:
Sada/Turo (I'll just say Turo) gets the Violet Book as a child, and it captures his imagination. Eventually he has a son, but is too obsessed with everything to do with Area Zero to care for him properly. He has ideas of building a machine to take Pokémon from alternate timelines, but hasn't actually done it yet.
Then, here are the only two options that avoid an actual temporal paradox:
1. The Turo from our timeline is transported to the Crystal Pool, gets the idea of building an AI, gives us his copy of the Violet Book, and takes Briar's Book. Afterwards, he's sent to an alternate timeline, and an alternate version of him that met an alternate version of us is placed in our timeline's past. To clarify: Our Turo meets Our Florian/Juliana in the future (our present), exchanges books, and is then sent to an alternate timeline. Other Turo meets Other Florian/Juliana, gets their copy of Briar's Book but doesn't give his Violet Book in return, and then comes to our timeline's past, where he writes that he got a White Volume from a child, builds an AI, uses his Violet Book as the key to the time machine, and dies protecting our Miraidon, which is *not* the Miraidon he met in his timeline's Kitakami. In this interpretation, we met Arven's original father, but an alternate version of him builds the time machine and saves Miraidon at the cost of his own life.
2. The Turo from our timeline is transported to an alternate Kitakami, and didn't have his Violet Book with him, meaning it was left in our timeline. The Turo we meet is from an alternate timeline, and he did have his Violet Book with him. He trades that to us for Briar's Book, and is then sent to our timeline's past, where he finds Our Turo's Violet Book, and uses it as the key to the time machine. In this interpretation, we never meet Arven's original father, but Other Turo meets Our Miraidon (who remembers him), travels back in time, pulls it from an alternate timeline, which is when Miraidon meets him, and then sacrifices himself to save it, all before he actually met it. Truly, this interpretation is the JohnKat of Pokémon.
In both interpretations, though, Arven is abandoned by Turo at a young age, and the closest he ever gets to seeing his father again is when he meets the AI copy of an alternate timeline version of him that's trying to kill him. Yikes!
Yo TTar, I've noticed two things important you might want to take a look at.
1) After taking to Past/Paradox Professor, the title screen changes to a sunset. But the thing to note is that it's a setting sun on Paldea/SV but night hasn't completely fallen yet.
2) continuing off of the previous its kinda weird the chosen returning legends. We have Gen 1/2/3/5/7/8 represented, Meloetta is returning as catchable but the missing legends are intriguing.
We're missing the main 3 of Galar as well as Calyrex, which makes sense as those were the previous gens major pokemon and known as single specimens.
Gen 4 is missing as well but we got remakes and a new style of game based off them last Gen so that kinda makes sense.
But who didn't make the cut? Despite the numerous mascots of other gens being brought back, Gen 6 is completely unrepresented for no logical reason.
So what if, were getting Kalos DLC in 2024 and not Unova remakes like everyone thinks.
Man I love tyranitar tube he is my fav UA-camr I love you man
Could the white fog Terapagos used while summoning the professor be the same white fog that covers Area Zero? Could that be how Heath saw future/past Paradox Donphan before the creation of the time machine? Terapagos may have pulled some of the paradox Pokemon through time while it slept, and Sada/Turo used the machine to pull even more into the present.
My idea is that in all previous loops- they never traded the S/V Book away for one reason or another. This one, they finally did, breaking the loop, never allowing the Time Machine to get activated for whatever the next loop is, and essentially forcing the timeline they go back to to never have Arven in possession of their book.
The timeline we play in is the final before the loop is finally broken.
My guess at the thing that broke the loop? Kieran interfering and catching Terapagos, or alternatively, Pecharunt slightly influencing Kieran's want for power in the first place.
Think about it? Without "evil" angry Kieran in Area Zero with us, the player catches Terapagos, and we have nobody to ever terastalize it to since Kieran doesn't want to battle, atleast not in Area Zero. It likely gets Terastalized in a controlled environment on the surface or something of the sort. The book is then made and handed off to the past professor. Something changed and it broke the loop.
7:05 I wouldn't be so sure
There are some scenarios in fiction, when Paradox is supposed to happen in order for something else to go further.
yk... it's not always a wrong thing
Are we 100% sure that the copy of the violet/scarlet book arven has was his parents treasured version and not some random copy? If so that would explain why the Time Machine went haywire rather than turn off at the climax
Turo/sada’s signature is on it though
@@nup89710 their signature was on the one from the main game? Interesting. If so, it’s still possible that they signed both copies but maybe only put their ID on the one they gave us. Idk 🤷🏼♂️
Didn't arven find the book in his parents house where we first meet him, if sada/turo only ever came out of the lab after summoning miraidon/koraidon, according to dialog from arven, then they would have had to leave the book at the house but if they were still messing with the time machine after that they needed some alternative key to use it instead of the book
@@Spotdy321it is. Even the item description is the same for both books.
"A record of the expedition that the author, Heath, went on within the Great Crater of Paldea. The book has the name “Turo” written on it in clumsy handwriting."
AI Turo and Arven also mention that Turo liked that book very much, since he was a kid or something.
@@livinginsaturn ah, thanks for confirming
man I am trying so hard to find a second or disproof the timeloop but it keeps looping everytime, this might just be the best thought out pokemon game yet.
10:42 well turo might have got another copy from the academy or already had another one. If i remember correctly, the book he gaves us is different from arven's book. At least to me, the decorations seem older on the first book than the ones on the second.
We know Briar wasn't told that the time machine room has a time machine - when we arrive at the Zero Lab she just says she'd been told that there's a "mysterious room that has an unknown purpose" and that the main character went in that room.
Dont forget that there are multiple Scarlet/Violet book, maybe one is the original (Briar's one maybe ), but there is the one that Arven gives to us and also the one that the prof teleported by Terapagos gives us. There may be multiple "original ones" so it is still a complete paradox when we think about it
Maybe there is two timelines: the original timeline where this doesn't happen and he leaves the book, and the timeloop timeline you explains, and they're basically merged together to make one timeline, thus the paradox.
I could easily spell this wrong, but the theory is called cobality loop. It's a time travel incident where going back in time secures an action to do something in the future to continue that action where going back in the past occurs. This isn't the first time anime or fiction has done this.
in dragonball super, Goku black's time ring follows trunk's time machine to the past which is something a time ring cannot do in practice, but it only does so he can fight goku for a period of time, which encourages goku to fight the zamasu of his timeline which inspires zamasu to become goku black, creating the events that will lead to following trunks to the past again.
The fact that Arden has the scarlet/violet book doesn’t break the paradox, since we know that it was published and multiple copies exist. And even if that wasn’t the case, you could argue that Arven has the copy from the school’s library.
The fact that the book is Black and White is also nuts
Perhaps when the professor travelled through the future, they were simply plucked out of that point in time for the encounters we experience in-game. That way, when they go back, they have the white volume that leads to the events of S/V, but the Scarlet/Violet book are back wherever they left it (as far as the timeline is concerned). They weren't physically removed, and as far as the past is concerned, they came back with something new.
Or Heath published the book so that there were multiple copies and the professor bought a new one. who knows
As someone who doesn’t play the dlcs I will say the cutscenes they make are really good like u can’t tell from their body language what emotions they are feeling the only thing it lacks is voice acting then Pokémon will be peak once again
The fact that this scene establishes conflicting time paradoxes is hilarious. First is that by giving Briar's Book to the professor, we establish a bootstrap paradox by giving the professor information that they become responsible for creating. Second is that we take their childhood copy of the Scarlet/Violet book, which establishes a grandfather paradox by preventing Arven from obtaining it. We know that this isn't an alternate timeline Professor because the Professor from our own timeline documents this encounter.
Also, regarding the Professor's statement that Paradox Pokémon come from alternative timelines, we already know by means of their AI that the Professor genuinely believed their creation to be an actual time machine, but that still doesn't explain why the Paradox Pokémon were present in Area Zero 200 years ago. We could assume that Terapagos uses its power to transport them from the present day Area Zero, but assuming that's true it means we have another bootstrap paradox weaved into this entire conspiracy. Either way, we don't know for certain that it's a time machine because we never see it interacting with real things that actually existed in the past. Besides that, if the machine works by catching Pokémon from the past/future, why are they running wild in Area Zero? Sada/Turo couldn't pay for Pokémon HOME?
As if that were not enough, there's the matter of Koraidon/Miraidon's naming. We know, because the Professor states they want to hang out more with Korai/Mirai, that the Professor has yet to actually get their "time machine" to work. That means they hadn't renamed the Winged King/Iron Serpent… which means the name comes from us, because that's the name given by the Professor. Another bootstrap paradox!
Personally, I see no difference between pulling a Pokémon in from alternate timelines and simply 3D printing your Fakémons. If we're invoking Many Worlds, and any fiction can be "real" because there are infinite universes, then there's nothing stopping both of the conflicting interpretations from being true.
They're paradoxes because they violate established lore. They're paradoxes because a time paradox created them, or brought them here.
It's all self-contradicting, and what's another term for "self-contradiction"?
"Paradox"
This game's story has been stuck in my head for a year already, and I don't think it's getting out anytime soon.
I’m pretty sure that Geeta did not tell Briar about the Time Machine room or the AI professor. She doesn’t seem to know about it, just that the elevator before we switch it leads to “a room with an unknown purpose”.
Maybe in DLC3 we'll give the book to Arven and Arven will give it to his parent in the Crystal Pool once again.
This would be a much past version of his parent who met us, so they won't recognize our existence.
The Don will have no need to exist the Ball because they already go closure by interaction in the Indigo Disk.
Professor's copy of the book will be a paradox item, since it was never "created" or originally signed to begin with.
Maybe Arven deletes the signature before giving the book because he knows that's what time demands.
That's why the signature will be clumsy, because it's Arven writing his parent's signature from fresh memory.
Or maybe Arven just deletes the signature as is after realizing a loop has to be made, then the Prof just signs it.
It could be Arven saying "I think this is yours" or the Professor claiming it as theirs upon receiving. It's either way.
Terapagos went to sleep after slipping Heath to Area Subzero where he might've met the Prof to get some notes.
And that's why Paradox mons are there and in the crater, they were snatched from time during Terapagos's time.
Once he went back to sleep, no more paradoxes so future expedition thought Heath was a liar. They're Fallers.
The Time Machine simply enhances into that tapped energy during slumber. It's an enabler for a natural event.
Honestly, the first thing I did when I got the violet book was see if I could make it into the Time Machine again. That was the key last time.
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The crazy thing I just realized is that Terapagos WANTED THIS WHOLE THING TO HAPPEN
You only find and catch him because of the series of events in this Bootstrap Paradox. He breaks a Master Ball to get away from Kieran and let him become yours. He doesn't even need to be in your party when you go to the Crystal Pool, he comes out and causes the loop regardless.
The question now is, does he have any other ulterior motives? He could have needed a human to get him out of the gemstone form and out of Area Zero, but what if he wanted something else to happen?
The first idea that came to my mind is that this could be setting up the "Paradox" remake of BW that leakers have brought up. What if Scarlet and Violet actually happen before Black and White, and Terapagos creating the Bootstrap Paradox causes the events of the game to be altered?
I don’t like how GameFreak incorporated a bootstrap paradox. I would have much rather them provide a clearcut answer
My theory for solving the book not working within the loop is that at the time of Sada/Turo giving you the book, the book isn't the key to the time machine because the time machine doesn't exist yet for it to be a key. Sada/Turo could easily obtain another copy to take new notes in, informed by Briar's book. This copy would then become the key to the time machine, with the professor knowing the other copy would exist somewhere in the potentially multiple timelines.
The professor's original copy of the book would never had been made the key if the professor had just given it to some random kid in exchange for the white book.
tldr: the professor got a new copy of the book and made that the key
this explains why we still can't get back down to the time machine and activate it because we don't actually have the key, we just have a dusty old book
Hey, I think I got it. Heath and his team were transported through time into the present day Area Zero, full of Paradox Pokémon. This is why they created the paradox of how Heath saw the Paradox Pokémon if it was Sada/Turo that brought them through the Time Machine. So we are in a Time Loop inside a Time Loop. This explains the lack of information about them, because the original timeline was lost. The unfamiliar place? One of the labs, maybe even the Zero Lab. He was talking with some of the scientists or even Sada/Turo themselves.
Its so interesting it turned out to be a big timeloop story. The thing about this timeloop is that its self contained in the 10 year timespan which only brings up two questions.
What is the Origin of the Indigo Disk, and how Geeta got her hands on it. I know that timeloops can always find a way to satisfy itself as long as no one is aware of its existence to act against it, but I just find it off to just write it off that Sada/Turo created the indigo Disk based on the White book the player gives them, there has to be more to it.
Thamill my dude we need another episode for the peach and the paradoxes!!!
I think whats happening is sort of a doctor who situation (spoilers for Nuwho): during the second season of the 11th doctor’s era an older version of himself is 1100 years old. Hes gone thru several adventures, and he meets with the old gang, but when someone stops by, he gives the signal and tells the gang “whatever happens DO NOT INTERFERE!” He then gets shot by the one other person he loves besides himself, on purpose, to set the loop. Then later, when they get to a restaurant, another version of the same doctor appears but this time hes younger. Hes holding a card thay says 1st. Now preprogrammed with that knowledge the group try to prevent the doctor from knowing his future event, however he finds out eventually, setting the loop as a loop. Once it turns full circle, all of time itself converges on a single day and never ticks forward without the doctor interacting with that special person.
Translation?: i think this moment is a situation like this. All of time has converged on this one place and time allowing past selves to encounter future people but until the moment has come full circle they forgot the interaction and chalk it up to myth, stories, hallucinations, etc.
I would love Gamefreak so much if (just like the event in XY where the old man dies after some time), there is a hidden easter egg in the SV data where after a couple years, the professor is now alive when you visit them at area zero after you've completed this time loop event
I could be remembering this wrong however if I remember correctly the version of the Scarlet/Violet book that the professor has is one of the mass produced distribution copies that was published. (The one with blacked out parts and can also be found in the school etc.) As such the professor could have given us a copy of the book and then just secure it another. It was only Brair who had a copy of the original copy written by Heath directly without any blacked out parts.
Everyone finds out Kitakami have a quest. Maybe Ttar going to break again playing the quest
(haven't see other's play, solely to wait for ttar)
This is exactly what i was thinking and messing with my head when i saw this cutscene. If the professor doesn't have the Scarlet/Violet book anymore, how is that Arven got his hands on it if no longer exist on that timeline? This is one of many questions created as because of this time loop
We need another DLC to answer unknown questions, there has to be a reason we now have a scarlet/
Violet book
That's why the professors get obsessed with the research, because they know it can be true if they follow the book from the future
I’m guessing that Sada and Turo have multiple copies of the Scarlet & Violet book. Because (1), it’s not a special copy or anything, it’s the publicly available version of Heath’s work where he blacks everything out. Only Briar has the original manuscript. Heck, even our school has a copy of the publicly released S&V books in the library! (2) when we trade the white book for the S/V book, the Time Machine has not yet been made. And so when Sada and Turo DO make the Time Machine, they can take any copy of the S/V book and assign their ID/fingerprint to it. Like, the book that they traded us at the crystal pool, it doesn’t have some magical ID fingerprint on it y’know. It’s just a BOOK! It’s paper. Only when Sada & Turo make the Time Machine would there THEN be the need for some sort of special key, and a unique one at that. And so the professors take a treasured version/volume that they loved as a child, imprinted a special digital ID to them, and leaves it behind accidentally that Arven eventually gets.
Making a game based on paradoxes was such a fun decision
why terapogos why he made a time loop this makes more confusion for me
As I personally see it, turo was stuck on a dead end and couldn’t in any logical way make a time machine. Though he did find the idea of creating an AI really useful. And as we discover in sv final boss fight, the ai themselves are made with terastal energy. So I think that we did inspire turo to create the ai but all of this was made possible because we gave him the book and he discovered terapagos. And since terastal energy is known to enhance machinery he could have made the Time Machine with terastal energy as well.
The thing that puts a whole in the loop theory is that the professor no longer has the violet book anymore when they return to their time. Its a small difference, but it matters extremely. Because if thats the case, how does Arven still have the violet book during the events of the story. From the way the professor talks, its possible its their only copy.
Perhaps its not a loop of one timeline, but a spiral of mulitple ones.
Terapagos is 100% a troll. The Crystal Lake is said to be able to give visions of those who've passed away. Terapagos summoned them forward shortly before their own demise. I theorize that the Professors had already begun Time-Space experimentation because they were already speaking about capturing pokemon from different periods in time and not just the Time Machine unit itself.
Maybe the original timeline is us giving them the book without wanting their book in return. So with us Trading them the book we created another paradox
this is what i'm trying to tell y'all: the reason it doesn't make sense that the Violet book is in the future but the White book ISN'T in the past, there are only notes, is that what happened at the Crystal Pool was a "dream" where the Professor gets extra information that they needed and they then write the information down in a fugue state JUST LIKE HEATH.
Heath lost consciousness, and woke up having written stuff down that he couldn't understand and he put that in his book. the Professor gets the book as a kid and studies to understand what is in it but can't harness the energy necessary to build the time machine. they have a dream where they learn that one day they figured it out, get the idea for AI assistant, get the idea for the name of the Winged King and Iron Serpent, and write out what they learn, create the Tera Orbs, get funding for the time machine, make the AI, make the time machine, finally see Arven for a bit until the paradox Cyclizar needs to return to Area Zero, die in Area Zero then our story starts.
we didn't give them a book, we inspired them
Sada/Turo probably just bought a new copy of the Scarlet/Violet book. If there's a copy on the shelf at the academy, then theres likely one at the local bookstore
What if the professor brought the AI from the future
it loses its memories upon travelling to the future with the violet book
I think we got the violet book back because they are planning on letting us visit the past or future just as a later update
But my understanding is that these paradox Pokémon aren't real. They are imaginations of people brought to life by Terapog. The time machine doesn't really transport Pokémon from the past/future, it's basically a wish making device powered by teragpolis
@TyranitarTube Part of me feels like Heath did adventure slightly in Area Zero but because their adventure was so boring, they left and nothing to write about. Then somewhere in this time loop theory, Briar sees Heath at the Crystal Pool during the Teal Mask storyline, and gives him the Scarlet/Violet book. Or somehow gives Heath this info about everything in Area Zero. So then he puts all this stuff in the Scarlet and Violet book based off our adventure through the whole story and what Briar wrote down. It makes sense why no one during Heath’s time would believe it because everything in the book somehow only happened because the professor created the Time Machine and all the crazy stuff like Terapagos and it’s Terastal State. Somehow it’s like Briar had to give Heath this info and this book is what he published. Nothing in the book mentions Koraidon or Miraidon because it’s our Pokémon and not Briars. Crazy theory but I mean since this whole time loop idea is going I have to believe that Briar gave Heath the info about everything and he published the book based off what Briar told him at the Crystal Lake
To continue on that point, I read the book again and he writes about the Phantom Memory where he strayed from the team and was transported. He says he doesn’t recall writing anything down but that has to mean he was transported to the Crystal Pool I believe
Briar does not know the time machine was made. She says something like "there is apparently a room under the Zero Lab whose purpose is entirely unknown" meaning the details geeta didnt tell briar regarded the time machine
What if we got a third part to the DLC - kinda like Delta Episode length - which is just mainly plot and lore for what happens with the timeline? Like we know there's some locked content beyond Indigo Disk, so what if we can revisit the time machine room again and use the Scarlet/Violet book from Sada/Turo to reactivate it, thus triggering an event where they get their book back (so it can appear in the main game) and answer our last few questions about how this timeline works and how the paradox sustains itself? Not necessarily telling us what the paradox pokemon are still, but enough to work out how Heath's part of the story plays into the paradoxical time loop we've created with Sada/Turo - because we know the time machine is responsible for bringing the paradox mons to present day, but we still don't quite know how they ended up in Area Zero all those years before. Better yet, what if the AI professor is the cause of that and instead of going to the "far past/future", they actually ended up in Heath's time (because the machine was breaking) and ultimately have to start the initial events that caused the paradox using the pokemon that they had just fought us with in the present? But then for the Pokedex we know that both past and future paradixes exist concurrently in our 10-year loop, therefore, I reckon we only have half of a time loop here and there's a whole other aspect we're just completely missing...
It would be cool if after the cutscene, we go back to area zero and the Time Machine is not there, because the professor needed the book to make it
Maybe the game is set into the breaching timeline ‘the last one where the loop will break’ and the future is unknown again?
This has nothing to do with this video in particular but i wanted to ask does anyone think we should worry about drayton? because carmine says to never let your guard down around him and she feels like he's up to something and kieran just like carmine says he feels like drayton is planning something , and that hes going to stop whatever he's planning and earlier on in the game kieran says drayton is playing puppet master which is what people assumed the peach pokemon was doing to kieran along with drayton specifically saying peachy to Kieran. I just think its to much dialogue that makes drayton suspicious. I hope my theroy can be touched upon if it makes sense to you all.
I feel like we are still missing something to tie everything together so I’m hoping for a potential third DLC! Not to mention some things from the data mine like “Zombie Trainers” and the other potential forms of Koraidon and Miraidon. Also we have the part of Area Zero with the strange symbols on the floor
This is probably the most textbook example of a time paradox woah
If you get the fly ability for koraidon/miraidon in the post game, you can fly on top of the terarium core which gives you an ability patch, gold bottle cap and stellar tera shards but you also get a really good look at the inside of the core and it looks like a giant tera crystal inside. But also the core changes colours after you beat the DLC
Briar mentioned that she added crystals from the underdetphs to it when she gave you the white book. It's also why stellar type pokemon appear in the terrarium.
It could be a professor from an alternate timeline. And you notice that in his/her journal they mention getting the white book from a child but never did it state that they gave up their book. I think that child was a parallel version of your character. That or the professor had two books. Take your pick.
So there is no confirmation whether or not its Sado/Toro's personal version of the Scarlet and Violet book, or if it's the only one. Also, it might not be a traditional time loop. It could be a multiversal time loop where the timeline staggers and there is always a child in the future trading books with them. And we play one of the various time lines, and repeat the cycle.
I have a theory, what if the reason we met sada/turo at the crystal pool is because we have a book, what if the the encounter between people from different timelines is because both have a book, so that would mean, the scarlet/violet book is extremely old, which would mean, if this was true, what book did heath gave to the person he encounters
So basically we ruined everyone's life even before we met them and didn't try to warn the professor
You could say that the whole game is creating the loop. Thats why terapagos name is unreadable in the first place, cause it didnt exist yet. We get its name from the book that wasnt published. In other words we get access to information Sada/Turo didnt have and then give it to them at the crystal pool which jumpstarts everything. We are the ones to create the paradox.
You can technically create a perfect time loop by creating a source point. The source point would be the meteor crashing into paldea and terapagos power awakening and stabilizing. This is where it gets weird. We can see things clearly alien or futuristic and ancient in nature. Something or someone advanced came in contact with terapagos. This is where the blue prints for the time machine comes from.
It could be a paradox where it was Sada and Turo from the future with the basic plans for it, their own research and blueprints to create one by using enough energy. They are the ones who talk to heath about the blue prints which heath puts in the book and the later Sada/Turo base their research on that like loading a newgame +. Or it could be a third party from the distant future instigating the possibility, with them talking to heath and thats what chains into Heath putting it in the book for Sada/Turo and making the machine, which loops or it feeds into another sada/turo talking to heath and so on.
While the later Sada/Turo learn the blueprints from heaths book, they go to the future and then meet with the main character and learn everything from the white book and follow through with the games events. After learning about terapagos awakening they are able to use its power to make the Time machine as they theorized and the game events happen. And so it loops. They become the ones to talk to heath and create the scarlet/violet books. Terapagos stabilizes everything so that it all loops into itself.
What if… when Turo/Sada starts to talk about different timelines. They’re talking about the different versions of the games🤔
🚨🚨🚨 I spoke to Arven right after you get send back to the menu, when u respawn in your room at the academy. There is new dialogue with him: “Oh you took the violet book from the library? Guess this book has some unique meanings to both of us” or something like that.” 😢