After watching, rewatching, and watching some of your older videos; I’m upgrading to the C200. It’s all I need for what I do. I’ll pair it with my C100 MKII for Sunday School / Bible Study and family events. Enjoyed the new video! Very informative like all your content. I think the C300 MKIII would fit you best in my humble opinion.
Congratulations on your imminent purchase! Thank you so much for your loyalty as a fan. It means so much to hear and helps me keep going. Thanks so much. Love the rec. I think a C300 Mkiii upgrade first and waiting till the C400 comes down in price makes the most sense as much as I want the C400. Your affirmation helps!
Don’t! Get a C70 instead. As an owner of the C200 I can tell you that the codec options are bad in C200 unless you shoot in raw that’s cumbersome to say the least. Also, no true slowmotion in 4K and really soft slowmotion in HD is just bad.
@@sa.t.2507 Hello 👋🏾 Thanks for the advice, I truly appreciate it. I’ve looked at the C70 but Canon is still proud of it and I don’t have that long money like Ginger Dog 😂, Seriously, I’ve weighed those other options and I really want to stay with the form factor similar to my C100 MKII. For the Sunday School, Bible Study, and amateur interviews I shoot, the codecs aren’t an issue. I’m fine with 8 bit although I have considered the C300 MKII. It presents other issues for me like the Cfast 2.0 cards. You need two of them for all your shoots. The C200 allows you to shoot on SD cards even in 4K, MP4, 8 bit. Most of my work is shot in 1080p, MP4 with little to no color grade. The C200 is half the price of a C70 right now. If I need a little extra, I have an R6 MKII & 90D. Thanks again for the kind words of experience and advice. I’m talking them into consideration and evaluation.
@@lb7144 no problem glad to help out. I would wait and see to what price the C70 will drop to on the used market now that the C80 will be released. The C200 gives a great image though.
Thanks for this timely and well considered conversation Caleb. As a hybrid shooter (Canon 1DX2) with a collection of EF L glass wanting to evolve into dedicated cinema camera I have been exploring resources on the C400 & C80. I get great results with the hi bitrate DCi 4K of the 1DX2, but am erring towards the C400 to expand my cinematography opportunities in documentary and wildlife projects. Love what you produce and share with your C100 mkii. Liked & subscribed from Sydney.
For what I want to do, the C100 mkii paired with the C300 mkii is my most likely next step. However, the C300 mkiii and C70 combo is interesting. I have seen what the C70 can do in the field. It is solid. But those two are out of my price range. Thank you Ginger Dog for keeping this investigation going. Always good information and thoughtful reasoning.
Thanks so much Micah. Really appreciate your loyal following and comments. I've owned that pair and it's pretty awesome though if you get (or have) the C300 Mkii, I'd probably use it 90% of the time and pull out the C100 for long form teaching content or quick and dirty work. The C300 Mkii is an incredible camera and still considered state of the art (if you saw my video on Heartland Film Festival cameras, you saw it tied for 1st for most used camera on documentary finalists.) The nice thing about the market is that it always comes down with time. Can you believe the C100 cost $8K when it first dropped? That's what the C400 is right now.
1:26 10 or 20 years? really? I highly doubt that such a long life can be expected from electronics nowadays. Second is customer requirements or new I/O which will come in the coming 10-20 years. I personally do plan for max 5-8 years for cameras in this class.
It depends on use case. The Canon C300 Mkii tied for most used camera for Heartland Film Festival documentaries this year and it is a 9 year old camera. Yes, a lot of UA-camrs and high end production houses upgrade regularly, but a surprising number of professionals invest in gear and use it for a decade or more. Image quality isn't going to advance to a level that today's cameras look obsolete any time soon. At a certain point streaming bandwidth capabilities and viewing device resolutions cap out any recognizable improvements to be made in image quality and all of the cameras here offer stunning image quality that I believe will be state of the art for 10-20 years. Integrations with accessories, AI technologies, usability functions and design will all be the next major focus of developing cameras now that image quality is reaching a ceiling. So yes, 10-20 years is a stretch for some users, but not ridiculous for everyone in the industry.
You have great knowledge and insights to share, and I really enjoy your content! However, could you please consider stopping the flash cards? The rack focus is a bit dizzying, and it feels a bit disruptive rather than enhancing the viewer experience. It would be smoother without them. Thanks again for all the valuable content!
@@ginger_dog I'm shooting a high key sitcom, so low light capability isn't an issue. That being said, I really don't want to get another camera for 10 years, haha
@@CringePanda In that case, I think the Mkii should be all that you need. Any extra money you would have spent on a Mkiii could go to lenses, lights, follow focus, etc.
I still love my Canon C100 mk2 although I shoot mostly with a Sony FX30. I got lots of EF-S lenses for the C100 mk2 (most of the STM lenses and a Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and a Sigma 50-100mm f1.8...I know I overspent..oh well...) and these lenses are not getting used very much lately (sometimes I use the sigma mc-11 adapter to use the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 with the Sony FX30 and the video autofocus is ok...but not as good as when using Sony native lenses-but never mind that)...so It's a shame that I'm not using those STM lenses and the sigma lenses more...I wonder if I got a gently used C70 I guess I could still use my EF-S lenses and the Sigma (with a Canon adapter) but would they perform great for video autofocus etc? I don't want to go thru the painful exercise of purchasing new lenses...I just see that the C70 might be a good video camera for several years to come- or am I totally lost here? The C80 and C400 are full frame and I don't need it. I'm a videographer not a filmmaker. Have you used the C70 with EF-S lenses or with the Sigma 18-35 and the Sigma 50-100 and got great results in video? thanks so much
Great question. I will say that it seems that native company lenses (i.e. Canon lenses on Canon cameras, Sony lenses on Sony camera) always seem to slightly outperform autofocus responsiveness and accuracy compared to compatible 3rd party lenses. I love Sigma and shoot with them (specifically that 18-35 f1/8) 90% of the time. Autofocus works well and as much love as Canon has put towards the C70 including its autofocus, you should have no trouble. It will certainly do better than your C100 Mkii.
After watching, rewatching, and watching some of your older videos; I’m upgrading to the C200. It’s all I need for what I do. I’ll pair it with my C100 MKII for Sunday School / Bible Study and family events.
Enjoyed the new video! Very informative like all your content.
I think the C300 MKIII would fit you best in my humble opinion.
Congratulations on your imminent purchase! Thank you so much for your loyalty as a fan. It means so much to hear and helps me keep going.
Thanks so much. Love the rec. I think a C300 Mkiii upgrade first and waiting till the C400 comes down in price makes the most sense as much as I want the C400. Your affirmation helps!
Don’t! Get a C70 instead. As an owner of the C200 I can tell you that the codec options are bad in C200 unless you shoot in raw that’s cumbersome to say the least. Also, no true slowmotion in 4K and really soft slowmotion in HD is just bad.
@@sa.t.2507 Thanks for that real world input. That's so helpful.
@@sa.t.2507 Hello 👋🏾
Thanks for the advice, I truly appreciate it. I’ve looked at the C70 but Canon is still proud of it and I don’t have that long money like Ginger Dog 😂,
Seriously, I’ve weighed those other options and I really want to stay with the form factor similar to my C100 MKII. For the Sunday School, Bible Study, and amateur interviews I shoot, the codecs aren’t an issue.
I’m fine with 8 bit although I have considered the C300 MKII. It presents other issues for me like the Cfast 2.0 cards. You need two of them for all your shoots. The C200 allows you to shoot on SD cards even in 4K, MP4, 8 bit. Most of my work is shot in 1080p, MP4 with little to no color grade. The C200 is half the price of a C70 right now. If I need a little extra, I have an R6 MKII & 90D.
Thanks again for the kind words of experience and advice. I’m talking them into consideration and evaluation.
@@lb7144 no problem glad to help out. I would wait and see to what price the C70 will drop to on the used market now that the C80 will be released. The C200 gives a great image though.
Thanks for this timely and well considered conversation Caleb. As a hybrid shooter (Canon 1DX2) with a collection of EF L glass wanting to evolve into dedicated cinema camera I have been exploring resources on the C400 & C80. I get great results with the hi bitrate DCi 4K of the 1DX2, but am erring towards the C400 to expand my cinematography opportunities in documentary and wildlife projects. Love what you produce and share with your C100 mkii. Liked & subscribed from Sydney.
Got to love the MJPEG DCi 4K from the 1DX2 ❤🎥
The C400 will allow you optimal reach in s35 and s16 with the EF L 100-400 for on water wildlife filming.
That's so awesome! Thanks for sharing. Keep me posted on what you decide to invest in. I'd love to see some of your work too!
@@canoedownunder Totally!
I have just placed a pre order for the c80 myself
Sick! Congratulations!
For what I want to do, the C100 mkii paired with the C300 mkii is my most likely next step. However, the C300 mkiii and C70 combo is interesting. I have seen what the C70 can do in the field. It is solid. But those two are out of my price range. Thank you Ginger Dog for keeping this investigation going. Always good information and thoughtful reasoning.
Thanks so much Micah. Really appreciate your loyal following and comments. I've owned that pair and it's pretty awesome though if you get (or have) the C300 Mkii, I'd probably use it 90% of the time and pull out the C100 for long form teaching content or quick and dirty work. The C300 Mkii is an incredible camera and still considered state of the art (if you saw my video on Heartland Film Festival cameras, you saw it tied for 1st for most used camera on documentary finalists.) The nice thing about the market is that it always comes down with time. Can you believe the C100 cost $8K when it first dropped? That's what the C400 is right now.
1:26 10 or 20 years? really? I highly doubt that such a long life can be expected from electronics nowadays. Second is customer requirements or new I/O which will come in the coming 10-20 years. I personally do plan for max 5-8 years for cameras in this class.
It depends on use case. The Canon C300 Mkii tied for most used camera for Heartland Film Festival documentaries this year and it is a 9 year old camera. Yes, a lot of UA-camrs and high end production houses upgrade regularly, but a surprising number of professionals invest in gear and use it for a decade or more.
Image quality isn't going to advance to a level that today's cameras look obsolete any time soon. At a certain point streaming bandwidth capabilities and viewing device resolutions cap out any recognizable improvements to be made in image quality and all of the cameras here offer stunning image quality that I believe will be state of the art for 10-20 years.
Integrations with accessories, AI technologies, usability functions and design will all be the next major focus of developing cameras now that image quality is reaching a ceiling.
So yes, 10-20 years is a stretch for some users, but not ridiculous for everyone in the industry.
You have great knowledge and insights to share, and I really enjoy your content! However, could you please consider stopping the flash cards? The rack focus is a bit dizzying, and it feels a bit disruptive rather than enhancing the viewer experience. It would be smoother without them. Thanks again for all the valuable content!
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I'd be happy to change up the style to make it more enjoyable/consumable for my viewers. Thank you.
I have two weeks to decide what I'm getting.
What content/projects will you be capturing?
@@ginger_dog I'm shooting a high key sitcom, so low light capability isn't an issue. That being said, I really don't want to get another camera for 10 years, haha
@@CringePanda In that case, I think the Mkii should be all that you need. Any extra money you would have spent on a Mkiii could go to lenses, lights, follow focus, etc.
On the Sony side, the budget can be greatly lowered by choosing between ZV-E10ii, FX30, ZV-E1, A7S3, and FX3.
I still love my Canon C100 mk2 although I shoot mostly with a Sony FX30. I got lots of EF-S lenses for the C100 mk2 (most of the STM lenses and a Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and a Sigma 50-100mm f1.8...I know I overspent..oh well...) and these lenses are not getting used very much lately (sometimes I use the sigma mc-11 adapter to use the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 with the Sony FX30 and the video autofocus is ok...but not as good as when using Sony native lenses-but never mind that)...so It's a shame that I'm not using those STM lenses and the sigma lenses more...I wonder if I got a gently used C70 I guess I could still use my EF-S lenses and the Sigma (with a Canon adapter) but would they perform great for video autofocus etc? I don't want to go thru the painful exercise of purchasing new lenses...I just see that the C70 might be a good video camera for several years to come- or am I totally lost here? The C80 and C400 are full frame and I don't need it. I'm a videographer not a filmmaker. Have you used the C70 with EF-S lenses or with the Sigma 18-35 and the Sigma 50-100 and got great results in video? thanks so much
Great question. I will say that it seems that native company lenses (i.e. Canon lenses on Canon cameras, Sony lenses on Sony camera) always seem to slightly outperform autofocus responsiveness and accuracy compared to compatible 3rd party lenses. I love Sigma and shoot with them (specifically that 18-35 f1/8) 90% of the time. Autofocus works well and as much love as Canon has put towards the C70 including its autofocus, you should have no trouble. It will certainly do better than your C100 Mkii.
The wall hanging not matching the slope of the roof, the slope around your head and being almost illegible is driving me mad
Disagree the C70/80 for content creators. CCs are going for smaller mirrorless.
Many are for sure. CC are all across the spectrum on camera bodies as Gerald Undone's studio tours reveal.
C70 has still 1 stop better DR than C80 and better shadow lift-off in the dark areas.
Yes, it should have those advantages over the C80. How much of that viewers will ever actually observe and notice is slim to never.
Neither, go and get multiple c300mkii and have a uniform set of cameras to work with on the same shoot. That's what I did