For this song the ribbon and processing made your voice 3D. The condenser favors your voice, but was less vibrant. The dynamic was good but performing in close proximity created plosives which did not lend itself to the song.
Post processing: Dynamic, Ribbon, Condenser Pre processing: Dynamic, Condenser, Ribbon Although Joe has that rich low tone that can make Dynamic or Condenser work straight up. Personally, for me, I have a high tenor voice that sounds a little brittle with a condenser - so I record with a SM58.
In your mix, the dynamic mic sounded by far the best to my ears. There's something about the sound that really works for your voice in that track. Sounds a lot more "alive" than it did through the condenser.
ribbon 1st to which i cannot articulate why, it transports me into a certain kind of atmosphere dynamic 2nd because it feels live, which felt better for that kind of music i feel cond 3rd, clean album recording sound, felt a bit harsh
I liked dynamic then ribbon then condenser. The ribbon felt like it took the eq really well after hearing the original vs produced. It sounds great on your voice!
Aw man, you're on to my secret of using ribbon mic for vox! Haha! I was surprised how yours sounded vs my MXL (seems like yours has less dynamics?). I also don't use headphones to record too often... I think on higher female vocals looking for some husk/depth, ribbon mic is the best!! I like that it sounds more like my voice in my own head (w/the bass & lower vibes).
Hi Joe, I just wanted to say that you and Graham helped me a lot with your courses! It would be awesame if you could do project with underdog dynamic mic like Behringer XM8500! It sounds great for 20 dollar mic!
I felt that the dynamic sounded the best as a raw signal. The ribbon and condenser sounded like it already had processing or boosting that would be annoying.
I have some pretty good mics, but sometimes the best mic is the SM58 ($99). It just has a classic sound that works well with certain rock tracks. For that song, I predicted condenser AKG K240 MKII: On my current headphones (K240 MKII), the ribbon mic just right into the track, but just had enough presence to stand out. The condenser pushed through strongly. The dynamic was right in-between the two. It was stronger than the ribbon, but not as overwhelming with the condenser. Good golly the ribbon sounds amazing on these headphones Beyerdynamic DT-770: the condenser sounds a little harsh. The dynamic mic was a good match for the track. The ribbon mic works almost as well here, but on these headphones, they sound a little buried. Speakers: the condenser and dynamic are similar-ish to the DT-770s. However, the Ribbon mic just has that buttery sound again that I really like. I would say Ribbon with a caveat. A slight tweak to the EQ, and it'll probably sound amazing on the DT-770 headphones. The dynamic worked on all 3 sound outputs, but not as great as the ribbon sounded on the K240s and speakers. I think the compressor might have given the condenser some harshness. I don't hear the compression as much on the dynamic and ribbon That Ribbon mic reminds me of my Rode M.2. It sounds like absolute mud until you do things like put on a high pass.
Dumb question here: What mic are you using for this video (actual mic you're speaking in) and how does it compare to the SM7B? Thanks in advance. I've started a Christian radio drama and have recently purchased the SM7B. However, the mic you are using for spoken word sounds great.
There is a very simple answer to the question: NO, it does not matter...at least not very much. That is not to say that there are no differences. There are. But in the big picture it matters very little.
hi joe, big fan of your channel! but you are legally required to disclose if you have a financial relationship with a company if their product is being showcased, presonus in this case since i remember in the old days you did have that relationship
I don't think even comparing them in a mix is valid. You're fitting them in at the end a pre-existing track. A ribbon can sound incredible in a mix, but you've got to build the production with the sound of a ribbon in mind.
The dynamic surprised me a bit.... I think I would say, dynamic; condensor; and last ribbon...... Ribbon sounds like the mids are very pronounced and that the highs have been ducked a bit..... So understand the use on electric...
One of my youngest kids knocked over my large diaphragm vocal mic (sE 2200a), so I'm currently saving up for a cheapish Lewitt (probably just the 440 Pure or 441 Flex) as a replacement. I tried to use a small condenser (AKG C1000S), but using a cheap dynamic (Lewitt MTP250DM) sounded miles better. Double tracking, with one of each mic, was OK...ish. So my last few projects I've, begrudgingly, used only the dynamic. I'm finding that I have to put a lot more EQ work in, as I usually use a condenser for lead vox, saving the dynamic for backing vox. It's definitely doable, but the vocal separation is harder to achieve. Plus it's a lot more work to get that lead vox sound, that inherently comes with a large diaphragm condenser. Would be interesting to see/hear you do a dynamic mic only recording, to watch your mixing process. All the best, dude!
How do you get away with singing only 1 or 2 inches from the mic? If I do that with my SM58, it's so boomy like a radio announcer and it won't EQ out. Is that because it's cardioid and the Proximity effect?
It's odd to me that you use ribbon mics on loud sources, as ribbons are susceptible to damage from high s.p.l. my ear buds didn't detect much of a difference in the sound. You might consider not showing which mic is being used when asking the audience which sounds better, as which one looks cooler or what they're most used to using can skew their listening. Just a suggestion to be taken as you wish. I do agree that you should do a project with all dynamic mics (or even the same mic) just for shnits an shagles (if I may borrow a Warren Huett-ism).
If you do a little bit of searching online, you will find that ribbon microphones are one of the most popular microphone choices for Guitar cabinets. Royer 121, for example.
@@HomeStudioCorner Yes, I have seen where people have used them on guitar cabs. But I don't think they're really cranking the volume of the amp powering said cab, and likely backing it off a bit from where they would place an SM-57 or Sehnnheiser 609, or any other dynamic mic. You can probably get away with it for a time before the ribbon needs to be replaced; and they could've found more robust material to make the ribbon from then the ones 30 years ago, but the manufacturer will likely warn you against that practice as it will likely void any warranty.
I can attest that specific mike's make a difference. I had an older song, that I wanted to resurrect. It had a verse that was just song poorly. So I just needed to record it again. The condenser mike(and very good AKG) originally used had broken beyond repair and I had purchase a new condenser(Lewitt). I had to rerecord all the vocals. My voice sounded so much different on the new mike it just didn't work. Now it could have been my voice aging, proximity difference... But I really think it was the characteristics of the new mike.
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I liked ribbon the mix the most, it sounds very smooth and natural. Raw sount though...
For this song the ribbon and processing made your voice 3D. The condenser favors your voice, but was less vibrant. The dynamic was good but performing in close proximity created plosives which did not lend itself to the song.
Post processing: Dynamic, Ribbon, Condenser
Pre processing: Dynamic, Condenser, Ribbon
Although Joe has that rich low tone that can make Dynamic or Condenser work straight up.
Personally, for me, I have a high tenor voice that sounds a little brittle with a condenser - so I record with a SM58.
dynamic, cond, ribon
Dynamic mic project... DO IT!
Nice song, great voice. Thank you.
The ribbon sounded clear, clean, and crisp.
THANKS! Now i have that song stuck in my head! (Good song) great voice ! First mike of course. It’s fuller on vocals. More presence
In your mix, the dynamic mic sounded by far the best to my ears. There's something about the sound that really works for your voice in that track. Sounds a lot more "alive" than it did through the condenser.
ribbon 1st to which i cannot articulate why, it transports me into a certain kind of atmosphere
dynamic 2nd because it feels live, which felt better for that kind of music i feel
cond 3rd, clean album recording sound, felt a bit harsh
I liked dynamic then ribbon then condenser. The ribbon felt like it took the eq really well after hearing the original vs produced. It sounds great on your voice!
Thanks Joe!
Thank you for that good demonstration of your mic
I liked the dynamic the most! It sounded clearer and somehow sat with the rest of the mix better. Condenser was second for me.
Just ordered an M7 condenser from Presonus. I'm looking forward to trying it. Thank you for the comparison video.
Every one is right at the source. I heard that was important.
Aw man, you're on to my secret of using ribbon mic for vox! Haha! I was surprised how yours sounded vs my MXL (seems like yours has less dynamics?). I also don't use headphones to record too often... I think on higher female vocals looking for some husk/depth, ribbon mic is the best!! I like that it sounds more like my voice in my own head (w/the bass & lower vibes).
Sm57 only would be a fun video 😊
Hi Joe, I just wanted to say that you and Graham helped me a lot with your courses! It would be awesame if you could do project with underdog dynamic mic like Behringer XM8500! It sounds great for 20 dollar mic!
I’m mostly just using my one SM57 for everything.
With a really nice voice like yours, I'd say the mic does not matter that much.
Listen, that's right! The vocal performance is so very NICE!
I felt that the dynamic sounded the best as a raw signal. The ribbon and condenser sounded like it already had processing or boosting that would be annoying.
Dynamic first for me.
The main takeaway for me was being able to listen to those differences with your clear explanation and demonstration.
Thanks Joe ❤
thanks!!😊
I have some pretty good mics, but sometimes the best mic is the SM58 ($99). It just has a classic sound that works well with certain rock tracks.
For that song, I predicted condenser
AKG K240 MKII: On my current headphones (K240 MKII), the ribbon mic just right into the track, but just had enough presence to stand out. The condenser pushed through strongly. The dynamic was right in-between the two. It was stronger than the ribbon, but not as overwhelming with the condenser. Good golly the ribbon sounds amazing on these headphones
Beyerdynamic DT-770: the condenser sounds a little harsh. The dynamic mic was a good match for the track. The ribbon mic works almost as well here, but on these headphones, they sound a little buried.
Speakers: the condenser and dynamic are similar-ish to the DT-770s. However, the Ribbon mic just has that buttery sound again that I really like.
I would say Ribbon with a caveat. A slight tweak to the EQ, and it'll probably sound amazing on the DT-770 headphones. The dynamic worked on all 3 sound outputs, but not as great as the ribbon sounded on the K240s and speakers. I think the compressor might have given the condenser some harshness. I don't hear the compression as much on the dynamic and ribbon
That Ribbon mic reminds me of my Rode M.2. It sounds like absolute mud until you do things like put on a high pass.
Cond, dynamic, ribbon. Less noise on the cond
2, 1, 3
I like the condenser mic the most bcuz it sounds more clear
With all the eq and compression that gets applied to vocals, it doesn’t really matter. Look at how much you altered the sound of the ribbon.
Great video! With your voice you could sing into a Clawhammer and still sound great!
great video
I miss your old house where I could look out the window
nyquist proximity effect? is it not the woofy-ness factor on the ribbon?
Dumb question here: What mic are you using for this video (actual mic you're speaking in) and how does it compare to the SM7B? Thanks in advance. I've started a Christian radio drama and have recently purchased the SM7B. However, the mic you are using for spoken word sounds great.
Ribbon is awful for vocals. Maybe for guitar cabs it is good
There is a very simple answer to the question: NO, it does not matter...at least not very much. That is not to say that there are no differences. There are. But in the big picture it matters very little.
dynamic, condenser and then Ribbon.. the condenser was too bright
hi joe, big fan of your channel! but you are legally required to disclose if you have a financial relationship with a company if their product is being showcased, presonus in this case since i remember in the old days you did have that relationship
What's going on with recording revolution? It's it dead forever?
I don't think even comparing them in a mix is valid. You're fitting them in at the end a pre-existing track. A ribbon can sound incredible in a mix, but you've got to build the production with the sound of a ribbon in mind.
The dynamic surprised me a bit.... I think I would say, dynamic; condensor; and last ribbon...... Ribbon sounds like the mids are very pronounced and that the highs have been ducked a bit..... So understand the use on electric...
They all sound the same...maybe cause I'm on a phone
do not judge sound from a phone speaker unless its your own mix and you've heard it before on something else
They all sound different and i'm on my phone too.
Every studio should have an Air Hockey table!
One of my youngest kids knocked over my large diaphragm vocal mic (sE 2200a), so I'm currently saving up for a cheapish Lewitt (probably just the 440 Pure or 441 Flex) as a replacement.
I tried to use a small condenser (AKG C1000S), but using a cheap dynamic (Lewitt MTP250DM) sounded miles better. Double tracking, with one of each mic, was OK...ish.
So my last few projects I've, begrudgingly, used only the dynamic. I'm finding that I have to put a lot more EQ work in, as I usually use a condenser for lead vox, saving the dynamic for backing vox.
It's definitely doable, but the vocal separation is harder to achieve. Plus it's a lot more work to get that lead vox sound, that inherently comes with a large diaphragm condenser.
Would be interesting to see/hear you do a dynamic mic only recording, to watch your mixing process.
All the best, dude!
I use a pair of PD-70s for a podcast I record for a couple guys here in Buffalo. Used to use SM7B. PD-70s sound better with them
How do you get away with singing only 1 or 2 inches from the mic? If I do that with my SM58, it's so boomy like a radio announcer and it won't EQ out. Is that because it's cardioid and the Proximity effect?
It's odd to me that you use ribbon mics on loud sources, as ribbons are susceptible to damage from high s.p.l.
my ear buds didn't detect much of a difference in the sound. You might consider not showing which mic is being used when asking the audience which sounds better, as which one looks cooler or what they're most used to using can skew their listening. Just a suggestion to be taken as you wish.
I do agree that you should do a project with all dynamic mics (or even the same mic) just for shnits an shagles (if I may borrow a Warren Huett-ism).
If you do a little bit of searching online, you will find that ribbon microphones are one of the most popular microphone choices for Guitar cabinets. Royer 121, for example.
@@HomeStudioCorner Yes, I have seen where people have used them on guitar cabs. But I don't think they're really cranking the volume of the amp powering said cab, and likely backing it off a bit from where they would place an SM-57 or Sehnnheiser 609, or any other dynamic mic. You can probably get away with it for a time before the ribbon needs to be replaced; and they could've found more robust material to make the ribbon from then the ones 30 years ago, but the manufacturer will likely warn you against that practice as it will likely void any warranty.
Nah. The 121 is rated at 135 dBSPL. They crank em all day every day.
@@HomeStudioCorner Glad someone actually reads spec sheets. Most just fly by the sear of their pants.
Great episode Joe. I've bin using a Shure 57 for vocals and just bought a 5 Core classic. Can't wait to see how it works.
I can attest that specific mike's make a difference. I had an older song, that I wanted to resurrect. It had a verse that was just song poorly. So I just needed to record it again. The condenser mike(and very good AKG) originally used had broken beyond repair and I had purchase a new condenser(Lewitt). I had to rerecord all the vocals. My voice sounded so much different on the new mike it just didn't work. Now it could have been my voice aging, proximity difference... But I really think it was the characteristics of the new mike.