In my humble opinion this guide is still the best LS guide I have seen to this date. Would be interesting to see how your play style would work in the upcoming season. I am more of a tank player soaking up/pulling damage at the front and holding cap points with tanky units. I would say It works surprisingly good including in TW. But once again, would be very interesting to see how your play style works nowdays with all the changes.
For Season 10, the LS has gained a buff in terms of healing assistance. This won't change the gameplay but it does change how supporting reflects on the scoreboard which is nice to have. Generally speaking, the long sword is below average right now in the hero meta, might be higher in season 10.
But i must say you are not the only one, Alan. I happen to come around here to refine my capabilities in game (LS player too), and guess what? Having all of the skills unlocked for my LS, i have exactly the same skills roster as you, and always loved to play the Sally Forth right from the very first day in game. Needless to say, i used a lot of Clash Of Shields too (it's a very charming one if you ask me), but the day i got the third level of Sally Forth...well that was the day i quitted CoS for good :) . Love your play style!
I made the switch to sally forth.. pretty good idea.. many times have i clash of shielded my way to death then have my units perish hopelessly without a leader to command them..
Very interesting that you like playing an offensive type longsword, I think the reason most people don't play that style and go for team support is that there a bunch of other classes you can go to if you want big damage and LS is the only real support class. Cool to try different play styles though, I'm playing musket this season purely around blunt damage and their throwable AOE skills and it's huge fun thanks to their new rune.
Yeah, the Musket was really oppressive on frontier in the first week when we had only silver trial, a musket player was getting 50-100+ kills every game with just their hero throwables
Did the long sword have an stun immunity skill or are you talking about Shield bash which I did mention you should bring? I would really like to know. Oh, and nice to see someone agreeing with me on Sally forth 😉
As a longsword main I feel like it kinda lacks compared to other tank classes like the shortsword or poleaxe. I really wish that it had an ability where it became immune to cc because of its giant shield or if it could use its passive abilities on horse. Also not getting bland runes would be helpful.
Awesome Video bro, I am planning to take LS as main class .. I have max all the skills. I will try to shre my thoughts and I will also need your guidance .. I have increaserd my armor to 960+ and rest to str..
I think one of the biggest nerfs to longsword is the removal of damage mitigation on shield charge (clash of shields)- no longer is shield charging high tier enemy cav to break a charge as forgiving
I use COS over sally forth. O have always use a U-turn route when using CoS which allows me to charge into units made U turn and exit the situation safely without much death. I died only when I tried to COS in one straight line.
There seems to be only 2 big changes so far, the increased survivability of mercy of heaves and the 50% damage reduction for shield crash. I haven't changed much other than adding more offensive abilities due to the increased survivability.
Nope, I tried it with some units (paladins, shield maidens, all T3 cav and other chargers with help Benjito) and apparently the hussars are the only beneficiaries of the speed boost
I haven't played for too long and I'm sure stans will point out why I'm wrong for XYZ, but from the perspective of a new player the longsword is disappointing weapon choice. It's an example of everything wrong with a tank/support class. It doesn't have the tank ability as its shield only allows you to poke with it leaving you at a detriment since your guard can be broken quite easily and thus you stunned or dead. Leaving you with skills to sustain yourself that whilst good don't actually assist your units very much so your support aspect is lacking. Your lack of killing or damage potential which makes sense still somehow leaves you at the mercy of CC and stun abilities so you're no better off since you have two anti-CC skills despite being the quoted 'tank' class. Coming from firearm then maul to finally LS its a really disappointing class. I don't feel like a tank because I cannot resist damage with my shield and in effect I just die slightly slower thanks to constant CC. I don't feel like a support because the healing I give to my units is poor to say the least and the speed boost doesn't provide a noticeable difference unlike say a defence or damage buff would. Its at a half way point where it doesn't do either role very well and I think it might need a rebalancing of sorts. If LS is considered to be a tank I would recommend giving its skills more anti-CC aspects. Getting bullied around even though I'm supposedly more durable doesn't pan out when the burst damage and down time is so high. If LS is considered to be more of a support relying on its units to do the heavy lifting then a variety of buffs should be added to its skills. I suspect its supposed to be a hybrid so perhaps a middle ground of sorts. I know its a limitation of the engine, how the game has been designed but I don't know why I cannot attack with my shield up and do damage? Shielded melee units can do so with pretty good damage but me the 'hero' only knows how to poke with my sword? I'd love a toggleable stance with the right mouse button that would allow the class to put up their shield and attack normally but if receiving too much damage gets their guard broken and thus stunned but the stance can be disengaged with the same right mouse button. This would leave the class juggling their guard and actually give some mitigation to a tank/support class. That said I'd love to hear why I'm wrong and that actually the LS is perfect with no flaws whatsoever.
I actually agree with you on many points. LS is meant to be a support but lacks actual good support skills, it should be a tank but can be burst down by most T5 units in the game, and it lacks damage or cc resistance. But it does have one thing that stands out, and this one thing has kept me from playing other classes because it changes how you interact with your units. That is the LS ability to heal and sustain itself without the need to use bandages and leave the battle. For example, ISG and fortebraccio's are made for the LS. For ISG you need cover commander to have cc immunity with the unit, but then the hero must stay in the unit and risk death. The LS is the only hero that can take IR or JR damage and still stay up to heal to max hp and remain in the battle withstanding damage with the ISG. In fortebraccio's case, you need to be behind the unit to effectively control its damage. The LS can heal and speed up their brace while maintaining their damage output being the micro-managing commander. If you want the hero to be a centerpiece of your gaming experience, LS is not your hero. The LS hero is basically giving up playing the hero to focus on the units only, and if you don't fight you can use your units to your heart's content knowing any amount of damage does not disrupt you controlling your units. LS does not need to find cover to heal, you can live forever if you use your units to cover yourself. Really the core of LS is that you don't feel the need to use your hero for extra dps, so you can micro-manage your units like spamming cover commander and formations on ISG or shield maidens for maximum unit damage.
If you're using Sally Forth to try to get a PK, then you're probably better off with Short-Sword, or Nodachi. Short-sword is nearly as tanky as Longsword, but actually has the tools to Kill Players. (If you know how to use them.) LS is very much a Tank/Support class. They have classes for Player Killers.
Sally Forth, although I highlight its player killing abilities in the vid, is strictly a support ultimate that focuses on stun, low cooldown, and damage as a bonus. If I wanted to play a PK classes I could have changed to spear, but as it stands, LS is the only real support commander like class so I'll make do with what I have.
@@AlanApogee Right, pretty much my point. Use the Class for what it's good at. I tried to make LS&S into a Player Killer, with Duels to practice on all the other classes. It's good for fighting Units, especially assisted by your's, but it's never going to be a PKer.
Weaker is relative here. More health = quantity of health increases More armor = quality of health increases Armor is weaker if you have less than 800 base armor and don't want to invest attributes to push it over 1000. I'm personally 1100+ piercing and without a doubt, it's better than full health in most situations.
Great guide, chock full of info and love the shout outs :)
In my humble opinion this guide is still the best LS guide I have seen to this date. Would be interesting to see how your play style would work in the upcoming season.
I am more of a tank player soaking up/pulling damage at the front and holding cap points with tanky units. I would say It works surprisingly good including in TW.
But once again, would be very interesting to see how your play style works nowdays with all the changes.
Great guide, well done!
For Season 10, the LS has gained a buff in terms of healing assistance. This won't change the gameplay but it does change how supporting reflects on the scoreboard which is nice to have.
Generally speaking, the long sword is below average right now in the hero meta, might be higher in season 10.
your guides are really good, keep up the good work.
liked and subed
I love ur passion and I really like the style the Video is made in.
Great video, a lot of useful tips. I will try with Sally Forth, thanks !
Thanks for the video very good info
But i must say you are not the only one, Alan. I happen to come around here to refine my capabilities in game (LS player too), and guess what? Having all of the skills unlocked for my LS, i have exactly the same skills roster as you, and always loved to play the Sally Forth right from the very first day in game. Needless to say, i used a lot of Clash Of Shields too (it's a very charming one if you ask me), but the day i got the third level of Sally Forth...well that was the day i quitted CoS for good :) . Love your play style!
Love your videos, keep it up. Because of you a realy want to try smg longsword just for fan 😀
thats really helpful video i didnt know u can use long sword like that im going in and changing my stats
I made the switch to sally forth.. pretty good idea.. many times have i clash of shielded my way to death then have my units perish hopelessly without a leader to command them..
Very interesting that you like playing an offensive type longsword, I think the reason most people don't play that style and go for team support is that there a bunch of other classes you can go to if you want big damage and LS is the only real support class. Cool to try different play styles though, I'm playing musket this season purely around blunt damage and their throwable AOE skills and it's huge fun thanks to their new rune.
Yeah, the Musket was really oppressive on frontier in the first week when we had only silver trial, a musket player was getting 50-100+ kills every game with just their hero throwables
I play with main LS, and i FULLY agree with sally forth, one thing that u didnt say is that is a antistun skill and U NEED that.
Did the long sword have an stun immunity skill or are you talking about Shield bash which I did mention you should bring? I would really like to know.
Oh, and nice to see someone agreeing with me on Sally forth 😉
@@AlanApogee I think he meant Sally Forth has the same removes "dazed" effect as Shield Bash has.
Thank you
As a longsword main I feel like it kinda lacks compared to other tank classes like the shortsword or poleaxe. I really wish that it had an ability where it became immune to cc because of its giant shield or if it could use its passive abilities on horse. Also not getting bland runes would be helpful.
Yeah. Buff on horse back, immunity to cc or even just poison and fire with knightly vows, and more competent runes would really help.
holy shit I love you Alan!
Awesome Video bro, I am planning to take LS as main class .. I have max all the skills. I will try to shre my thoughts and I will also need your guidance .. I have increaserd my armor to 960+ and rest to str..
I think one of the biggest nerfs to longsword is the removal of damage mitigation on shield charge (clash of shields)- no longer is shield charging high tier enemy cav to break a charge as forgiving
I use COS over sally forth. O have always use a U-turn route when using CoS which allows me to charge into units made U turn and exit the situation safely without much death. I died only when I tried to COS in one straight line.
Very nice ! Time for full agi Sally forth then ! :D
Use the spreadsheet and go full damage, that will do much better than full AGI
@@AlanApogee nah, i want full agi for easy switching with bow ;)
Can u make another ep about longsword now pls ?
There seems to be only 2 big changes so far, the increased survivability of mercy of heaves and the 50% damage reduction for shield crash. I haven't changed much other than adding more offensive abilities due to the increased survivability.
@@AlanApogee about the stats, all in sheild is better than hp in your opinion rightb?
@@AlanApogee What about now?! :D :D lots of changes to LS us noobs need halp!
I'd like to remind you that this games damage model i velocity dependent ;) so the speed buff actaully also buffs the charge damage.
You also inspired me to use some of my 36000 mastery points to fully unlock sally forth
Nope, I tried it with some units (paladins, shield maidens, all T3 cav and other chargers with help Benjito) and apparently the hussars are the only beneficiaries of the speed boost
@@AlanApogee Ohh thats interesting. Good to know
I haven't played for too long and I'm sure stans will point out why I'm wrong for XYZ, but from the perspective of a new player the longsword is disappointing weapon choice. It's an example of everything wrong with a tank/support class. It doesn't have the tank ability as its shield only allows you to poke with it leaving you at a detriment since your guard can be broken quite easily and thus you stunned or dead. Leaving you with skills to sustain yourself that whilst good don't actually assist your units very much so your support aspect is lacking. Your lack of killing or damage potential which makes sense still somehow leaves you at the mercy of CC and stun abilities so you're no better off since you have two anti-CC skills despite being the quoted 'tank' class.
Coming from firearm then maul to finally LS its a really disappointing class. I don't feel like a tank because I cannot resist damage with my shield and in effect I just die slightly slower thanks to constant CC. I don't feel like a support because the healing I give to my units is poor to say the least and the speed boost doesn't provide a noticeable difference unlike say a defence or damage buff would. Its at a half way point where it doesn't do either role very well and I think it might need a rebalancing of sorts.
If LS is considered to be a tank I would recommend giving its skills more anti-CC aspects. Getting bullied around even though I'm supposedly more durable doesn't pan out when the burst damage and down time is so high. If LS is considered to be more of a support relying on its units to do the heavy lifting then a variety of buffs should be added to its skills. I suspect its supposed to be a hybrid so perhaps a middle ground of sorts.
I know its a limitation of the engine, how the game has been designed but I don't know why I cannot attack with my shield up and do damage? Shielded melee units can do so with pretty good damage but me the 'hero' only knows how to poke with my sword? I'd love a toggleable stance with the right mouse button that would allow the class to put up their shield and attack normally but if receiving too much damage gets their guard broken and thus stunned but the stance can be disengaged with the same right mouse button. This would leave the class juggling their guard and actually give some mitigation to a tank/support class. That said I'd love to hear why I'm wrong and that actually the LS is perfect with no flaws whatsoever.
I actually agree with you on many points. LS is meant to be a support but lacks actual good support skills, it should be a tank but can be burst down by most T5 units in the game, and it lacks damage or cc resistance.
But it does have one thing that stands out, and this one thing has kept me from playing other classes because it changes how you interact with your units. That is the LS ability to heal and sustain itself without the need to use bandages and leave the battle.
For example, ISG and fortebraccio's are made for the LS. For ISG you need cover commander to have cc immunity with the unit, but then the hero must stay in the unit and risk death. The LS is the only hero that can take IR or JR damage and still stay up to heal to max hp and remain in the battle withstanding damage with the ISG. In fortebraccio's case, you need to be behind the unit to effectively control its damage. The LS can heal and speed up their brace while maintaining their damage output being the micro-managing commander.
If you want the hero to be a centerpiece of your gaming experience, LS is not your hero. The LS hero is basically giving up playing the hero to focus on the units only, and if you don't fight you can use your units to your heart's content knowing any amount of damage does not disrupt you controlling your units.
LS does not need to find cover to heal, you can live forever if you use your units to cover yourself. Really the core of LS is that you don't feel the need to use your hero for extra dps, so you can micro-manage your units like spamming cover commander and formations on ISG or shield maidens for maximum unit damage.
@@AlanApogee what ‘s your rune in season 12? Longsword still all armor?
Yep, 1100 armor plus the 15% armor buff for 10s is amazing
So your saying god of battles for glaives is not an effective way to increase your units potential?
Nope, it's also great as an additional support skill, but that's not a dedicated support class. I did forget to mention that in the vid.
How do you guys count hours play time? I guess I have at least over 1k hours LS.
We play though steam on the frontier version
If you're using Sally Forth to try to get a PK, then you're probably better off with Short-Sword, or Nodachi. Short-sword is nearly as tanky as Longsword, but actually has the tools to Kill Players. (If you know how to use them.) LS is very much a Tank/Support class. They have classes for Player Killers.
Sally Forth, although I highlight its player killing abilities in the vid, is strictly a support ultimate that focuses on stun, low cooldown, and damage as a bonus. If I wanted to play a PK classes I could have changed to spear, but as it stands, LS is the only real support commander like class so I'll make do with what I have.
@@AlanApogee Right, pretty much my point. Use the Class for what it's good at. I tried to make LS&S into a Player Killer, with Duels to practice on all the other classes. It's good for fighting Units, especially assisted by your's, but it's never going to be a PKer.
I think that the easiest way to get make it happen is to use full cc poleaxe
Or full cc shortbow, might be even easier. But I had a hard time getting it way back then because I wanted it done in the LS
@@AlanApogee Good luck on 1k sub my friend!
isnt the heal weaker without max health?
Weaker is relative here.
More health = quantity of health increases
More armor = quality of health increases
Armor is weaker if you have less than 800 base armor and don't want to invest attributes to push it over 1000. I'm personally 1100+ piercing and without a doubt, it's better than full health in most situations.
@@AlanApogee i mean the heal on the units
is this game pay to win? looks fun
Not really, it's pay to progress. Most costs go towards skins and battle passes