Siskel and Ebert Defend RETURN OF THE JEDI
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- Siskel and Ebert defend STAR WARS: RETURN OF THE JEDI during a 1983 CBS NEWS movie review against John Simon. ✅ RETURN OF THE JEDI - The Skywalker Legacy Promo • RETURN OF THE JEDI - T...
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@@NotMySTARWARS being a movie critic is a job people get who aren't smart enough to be a trash collector.
John Simon is that guy who passes out toothpaste instead of candy on Halloween
Or those little New Testament Bibles. 😂
Some people will ridicule this guy for his stuffy opinion...and then trash Marvel movies with the same critical ideas.
@@briantresden2933 Yeah, because Empire Strikes Back is a much better film than most modern Marvel movies. Like Gene and Roger were saying, it's not just a mindless spectacle.
@@bagggers9796Star Wars was never good. Same with superheroes, its the embarrassment of American entertainment. Should have burned it long time ago along with Star Trek. Bill Maher video called "Grow up" is my sentiment on this.
Interesting that no one in this interview mentions the use of classic lore & mythos tied to great storytelling, albeit redressed in sci-fi, to introduce it to a younger, and next generation.
No but the Critics did when they reviewed it for their own show and I am certain he is aware of that, even if he is wrong.
This man is so sad. Return of the Jedi is a true masterpiece.
The final dual and helmet removal redemption scene is genuinely brilliant cinema. The best of Star Wars.
Multiple decades later & people STILL cant get enough of the mystique of Yoda, as indicated by Grogu's popularity. Obviously Grogu isnt Yoda but he is the same species & speculated to be a relative to Yoda.
Great job NMSW on deep diving for this rare footage 👍
Could you imagine being this guys kid? Hopefully they turned out happier than their father.
He probably forced his kids to stay inside and read Shakespeare......when they were 8.
John Simon was not a Sci-fi fan. He used Mark Twain's "Huck Finn" as a reference, instead any of the works by H. G. Wells, Piers Anthony, Isaac Asimov, etc. Someone who doesn't like a genre cannot be objective about it.
John's proper response should have started with "I don't normally enjoy this type of film."
The same can be currently said of not only critics, but creators that join a genre they don't love, simply for a paycheck or inclusiveness. You're doing yourself and your audience a disservice if you work on topics you don't love, because audiences won't see the best of you, and you'll be forever marked as subpar, or even hated because of it.
The fans are not at fault, if your performance reflects the disdain you have for your work.
Exactly, I’ve tried to get into Anime, but I’ve found it’s not my speed. Nothing against it, and I respect it as a type of of animation. If I was tasked to review one I would start with that.
When he's not a "film critic" he's actually the grinch during Christmas time
Return of the Jedi is a masterpiece
Correct.
It’s real good!
Its terrible. The only close to good movie is Episode 3, because it had a plot and not 90% special effects for low hanging fruit consumers
@@Sparrows1121 yeah yeah
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I think it’s a good movie, definately underrated, but masterpiece it is not.
As Albert Einstein once put it: "The greatest sign/mark of intelligence is imagination and creativity." I'm paraphrasing of course, but you get the idea; and you know anything that Einstein said had merit/weight, as it was coming from one of history's brightest minds. Not to mention of course, kids are often times smarter than a majority of adults, as adults are so often severely closed minded, as to quote the wise master Yoda: "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is."
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Children are easily led around by their nose, ears or other emotional appeals. Big whoop.
@@SeattlePioneer Hahaha!!! Speak for yourself! Adults are too!! I was speaking in comparative terms!!
Ideas are a LOT cheaper than baloney. Like aholes, everyone has them.
GOOD ideas now ---- those are very rare. Ideas that will markedly improve the lives of human beings.
i agree with john simon, all children should spend the holidays watching the nuremburg trials
Return of the Jedi > Rise of Skywalker
By an extremely long shot!!!
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"Rise of Skywalker" should be renamed "Identity Theft of Skywalker."
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@@UltimusMagus Facts!
Return of the Jedi is better than all of the Star Wars movies except Empire Strikes Back, and maybe New Hope.
Eating Pizza > Getting stabbed in the eye
Ebert was such a sharp guy.
Notice how he contradicts himself? First he says that these movies are suitable only for children, and dumb children at that. Then he turns around and complains that there was so much going on that he, a grown man, couldn't understand the story.
I think that people get from Star Wars exactly what the ancient Greeks got from listening to the Iliad. Timeless themes of courage, of honor, of friendship, heroism, right-and-wrong; and I think he's just a bloodless old turnip who has forgotten what it means to be human.
This guy referred to Mark, Carrie, and Harrison as "ghastly actors". I love them all.
Let's face it---- it was a melodrama. I found the original Star Wars a highly entertaining film, but it was melodrama appealing to very human but trivial sensibilities.
It really exploited us as an audience in very calculated ways. But that was fine, especially for the first film. But that became shopworn for me with all the sequels.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
“A children’s story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children’s story in the slightest.”
-C.S. Lewis
Well quoted
Simon seems to be a sad sad man. Many of us identified with Luke and his dreams
I identified with 90% special effects that i got blinded by
John Simon is a time traveler.....he was referring to Episodes 1, 2, 3, and beyond....excluding Rogue One (episode 3.5).
I wonder if he would have lived to see if Episode III and say that left children dumber.....
Well, he lived up until 2019
I find John Simon to be a moronic hypocrite. He says the special effects are like Disney's animation and could just as easily be done that way. Only Disney didn't make animation like that back then and not even today still don't. You'd have to go to Japan to find animation like that which can get violent depending on the story and that Simon guy would just hate that too.
That simon dude perfectly summed up the sequels.
Who could forget the Tender Mercies action figures, sequels and cosplayers?
He recommend kids a melo drama about a drunken cowboy and girl who find love like bruh
John Simon never had a fun day in his life
John Simon outlived Sisket & Ebert & died years after them, but Ted is still alive today. Despite "Return of the Jedi" being a film that is "90% special effects" as Simon said, it has since become a classic & I suppose it is going to outlive all of us here in the comments & everyone alive in the world right now, as it will continue to captivate audiences yet to be born decades in the future.
11/16/23
I could argue with that, but that would come from outside of rationalism loop.
Its only a classic because manchildren are godawful. You have better 80s action movies over Superheroes or Star Wars. Only people with low IQ of low hanging fruits type of taste are into Star Wars or superheroes.
John Simon's heart must have given out considering how much special effects dominate a film these days.
That would imply that he had a heart to begin with.
😂 “Star Wars tries to keep kids stupid” 😂😂😂
Yeah, I found that statement to be quite laughable too! That was one sorry old fart sour puss. Or maybe he just saw into the future and saw what Dizney did!
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They never come across as children's films and are awesome
This guy doesn't even know that Huck Finn was NOT a children's book.
Everywhere I look on the Internet it's talked about as a children's book.
Return of the jedi is the end of the "SkYwAlKeR SaGA". I wasn't alive back then but at least the films didn't need that BS marketing "Skywalker saga solagon" for them to sell.
4:03 - Sounds like he's talking about the prequels
And Ebert’s counterpoints that CGI and special effects are apart of the movie just as much as the acting and dialogue still stands for the prequels. Ebert really enjoyed the prequels as well don’t let RLM and his followers negatively influence you to the dark side like that guy you’re talking about.
Who knew Ebert could be absolutely so wrong about disney being able to make star wars movies?
Interesting snapshot on a much bigger debate. Simon obviously represented the "escapism is bad" school of thought in lit. criticism, and his argument that SW is bad because it is not as nuanced and historically/socially relevant as Huckleberry Finn is a really weak one. That's comparing apples and oranges, as they say.
But while I'm firmly on the Siskel/Ebert side in this, I can also understand how somebody coming from a much older, quasi-classicist paradigm could have problems adapting to Pop Literature, like SW. We have to remember just how much the movie and TV landscape was changing from the 70s to the 80s. I think Simon misses the boat in a lot of ways, but I do believe he is being honest in his reaction and that is a valuable perspective on a completely different view of literature.
John Simon was perhaps the most miserable man in Hollywood history, I'm not even kidding or exaggerating. He made a whole career out of being a heel, the very embodiment of the stereotype of the pretentious, unctuous theatre critic, rarely ever giving any film a positive review, frequently attacking actors' physical appearances (despite as Ebert once said, "looking like a rat"), making misogynistic, racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic comments and "jokes", etc. He reveled in being reviled. Just a loathsome creature, through and through, and since only the good die young, he outlived both Siskel AND Ebert, finally dying in 2019 at the age of 94.
I'm not the biggest MCU fan but John Simon sounds like all the critics following Martin Scorsese's criticism. Just like Star Wars, just like Westerns, MCU could inspire the next generation of filmmakers to push the artform in new directions
As someone who loves great genre films, including superhero ones, what absolute tripe. The next generation of film-makers will be even more illiterate, clueless, and slaves to mega-corps. We are in a downward spiral of imbecility, degradation, decay. Watch a great movie from any decade up to the '70s to experience the fall of verbal and visual wit, and of good composition.
Return of the Jedi was and still is my favorite movie of all times. I could watch it a million times and not get bored and I probably have already. haha. I grew up in a very rural area without many theaters around and my family was dirt poor so I had to wait for it to come out on vhs and back then we had to actually rent the vcr to watch movies that we rented too. haha. I went around school avoiding spoilers before I got to see it. I remember to this day hearing some kids talking about it and thinking that they said Luke cut off Vaders head instead of his hand.
Nobody remembers or will remember John Simon .
People will always recall the masterpiece of Star Wars; The Return of the Jedi .
Walt Disney though was great foresight however, and predicting baby yoda toys .
The Return of the Jedi, a masterpiece! A huge fall-off from Empire.
Superheroes, Star Wars and Star Trek arent even good entertainment for 6 year olds. Its superficial low hanging fruits of entertainment. You only make them lower in IQ level
I wonder if this Simon lived long enough to see Disney's vague fanfiction.
they're defending Empire Strikes Back
"You might as well be watching an animated cartoon". That may have been an insult in the 80s but it it really isn't an insult to the modern generation.
Love the Return f the Jedi. Fantasy is tremendous great imagination love this movie I got married the day this was released. Saw it in the morning got married 3 hours later.
I've learned finally that Everybody's brains are different and will react to different things ...I kind of suspect his brain has some sort of limitation if he wasn't *Able* to see the flesh & blood elements.
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(brain too easily over-dazzled by movement & sounds?)
This was 40 years ago and at 3:00 he actually said Disney could easily do a better job with some colored pencils.Disney did have the chance to make something great but ruined it with their twisted agendas over the last few years.
Huh, this kinda reminds me of a hypothesis of mine. I feel like the deaths of George Carlin and Joan Rivers is what politicians and celebrities were waiting for to get psychotic, as we see today. Maybe the passing of Siskel and Ebert did the same for film making. Gotta love that "30 years ago" remark lmao.
Honestly, Ebert's demeanor sort of proves Simon's point lmao. "...helped me to stay young at heart. I would say not that I am childlike, but that he is old at heart."
Like...yeah, that's what Simon is saying. At this point, it's undeniable that Simon was right, especially when one considers the violent reactions to the newer Disney films and the lengths to which fully grown adults would go to demonstrate their childishness to try to relive 1983.
Yeah, the dialogue isn't great, the three actors aren't great, and kids are mostly entertained by the idea of the universe or the action. Siskel and Ebert admit that, but this just makes Simon MORE correct!
Simon would be spot on if he was talking the Prequels...
Jedi was the worst of the 1st 3 imo though.
His husband felt the same 😊
It's kind of ironic that S&E would accuse this guy of being 'old at heart', because they were so often on the wrong side of pop culture history themselves.
I love the original trilogy but it's weird that what John Simon says about Jedi is how I feel about the prequels. A boring, jaded special effects nightmare, devoid of any real humanity.
And what about the Disney trilogy?? Dreadful garbage.
When critics were real critics...
This guys downs animation also which is interesting. Such a myopic view on what should be entertainment in the first place.
Tell me you didn't really watch the movies without really telling me
“90% Special Effects” … … … John Simon must have really loved the prequel trilogy, then … … …
The whole world knows that the two beloved Chicago-based film critics, Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert might have COVID-19 if they are alive right here on earth in the year 2022 because they defended Star Wars: Return of the Jedi in 1983.
John Simon was just ahead of the curve. If this program aired 10-20 years later, he would qualify as a diehard fanboy. “Worst Episode Ever.”
Spot on by John Simon. Just look at all the balding, wimpy man children that make up Star Wars conventions.
Plot Twist: Simon was actually reviewing the prequals.
Oh pls, the prequels were absolutely amazing. As someone who grew up with the prequels, it absolutely catered to our generation perfectly. And it added amazing things to the lore too
I bet John Simon shakes his kid's hand when he drops him off for 3rd grade.
He never had any
@@randomguy56789 that makes sense
I thought that the original Star Wars was a sensational exposition of a story line illustrated by special effects and using classic mythology and tales with which people could identify. Fine.
The additional episodes merely exploited the fun and freshness of the original to sucker the audience into imagin9ing that the plot line had any real substance or importance at all. It didn't.
The Harry Potter movies ---and books, had the same problem. The first book and movie was a wonderful dive into the imagination. The additional examples merely exploited the original great world that had been created to suppose that the plot line and characters were in any way important. They were not.
Walt Disney could have made the Irony.....
They’re all three right. It is pabulum for children. It does have terrible dialogue and the story fundamentals are awful. It is a rehash of better source material. But it is also thrilling and fun and inspiring. All of those things can be true at the same time.
I agree. And it was well worth doing the first time.
But the repeated repetition of pablum tends, in the end, to reveal it as.... pablum.
Disagree. The first two are wonderfully done and belong in the same category as both the Fairbanks' and Korda's 'The Thief of Bagdad', 'The Wizard of Oz', 'Le Belle et Beute', Zeman's 'Baron Munchausen', the early Disney classics and 'Jason and the Argonauts'. As for the source material, it is far superior to the Flash Gordon serials and the super-science space-operas of Burroughs. It is worthy of the westerns of Ford, which I bet Simon loved. Jedi is a huge fall from which Lucas has never recovered.
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@@SeattlePioneer Empire is the best of the lot by a wide margin. I hate franchises and sequels. They've only worked with 'The Bride of Frankenstein', 'The Godfather II', and trilogies by masterful directors, such as Ray, Kurosawa. Occasionally, a small select handful of superhero movies, when they were good, where the sequel is superb because they ironed out the effects, the story, 'Spiderman II' and 'X-Men II'. Plot is important but most screenwriters don't have the craft for it today.
Well it would have been better to just not show this ! cause i never saw it before, and well its still means nothing !
This certainly did not age very well for this Simon character. Talk about being the old man of the old men. Good job John Simon, you old jerk!
wow… i actually felt kinda sorry for that john simon guy… i bet he was just a jooooy to be around in person… but, i felt pity for him, he sounds like the type person that has had ‘misery’ as a roommate for most his life… may the Force be with you john simon…. 😔 🤣🤣🤣
I like everything Star Wars but this guy does have a point. Generally speaking todays sci-fi type movies are just special effects slide shows with very little story or plot if any...it's all about special effects. Watch or read any bluray review and all you will get is how it "looks" and "sounds"...absolutely NOTHING on the story and plot...especially reviews that mention 4K. He's correct again as far as children go...just look at the News...they aren't the brightest and most have no common sense at all.
I would have to agree with his terrible acting opinion with 2 out of 3 of the main characters. Let's not say Harrison Ford is a terrible actor.
It was not a great movie. The ewoks defeat the stormtroopers? And Darth Vader is redeemed? I always had a hard time with that ending. The best part was that the emperor got what was coming to him. But no, it wasn't a great movie and how for the love of God can a large slug be a criminal mastermind and boss of an enterprise when Leia kills him so easily?
I agree
Well the criticism of the sheep who are into 90% special effects are correct. People who watch movies now only watch superheroes which is low hanging fruit of entertainment, no stories or plot just stupid special effects and some guy in spandex with boring repetition of getting powers vs supervillains
This guy has no idea what he's talking about
My God does this man not only fly over the target but drop the full payload!!! I have always liked Star Wars but this man Simon is inherently describing the infantilization of post WWII Boomer generation through the use of egalitarian lies, over simplification and everyone getting a "participation trophy" because "you can be anything you want". A whole generation believing race is not real, gender is optional, and replacing yourself with Third Worlders whose aggregate IQ is below 80 "is a good thing"
I have to give it to this man, he saw the future before most and the sea of grown adult Bugmen decked out in Marvel gear and surrounded by the POPs toys proves it. It was all intentional by the way. The dumbing of Post WWII society I mean, I assume EVERYONE knows this already
Generations of farmers and laborers who could intelligently write and discuss the Illiad and Huck Finn replaced by adults who weep because Thanos was mean
Lol, this guy probably thinks Marlon Brando was a good actor because of 1 good performance and Jack Nicholson is a good actor despite overacting in literally everything he’s been in since Chinatown.
Sorry, Simon was right. Movies have been grossly dumbed down.
Three lousy actors
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As a kid I loved all three original movies. As an adult I still love the first two, but no longer care for the third,...so something happened there?
Return of the Jedi,..."meh". :(
Booooooo
@@NotMySTARWARS Don't you mean, "nooo,...NNNOOOOO!" :-)
Return of the Jedi is a masterpiece
@@DayTripperrr Sorry, dude I just can't agree with that.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot why don’t you like jedi
John Simon is someone who thinks kids should be watching Huck Finn instead of Star Wars ? Is this guy high?
No, and they can watch both and others too.
This guy was the beginning of woke
Good movies, but average as films.
They are the same thing like car and automobile. Nice try though.