Hands on with China's Loongson 3A6000 PC: It works!
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2023
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U.S. technology restrictions have propelled China to build its own chip products, and Huawei's Mate 60 smartphone series is not the only example. Loongson 3A6000, a computer CPU with China's own architecture, is as fast as Intel's i3 10100 released in 2020. To computer geeks, such performance is outdated, but the speed is still enough for a lot of daily tasks at home and at work. CGTN tested a PC powered by the Loongson 3A6000 chip and it did live up to what the company claims. #china #technology #computer
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It is just a matter of time maybe another 12 months to come up with an improved version, these are all man-made objects, China well done !
Amerikkan heeroo Gordoon Cang haas predikted cpp collaeps for 20 yeers, dis cpp tofu teknologhee wiil collaeps as predikted by hiim
@@ainz1325 Linux is getting popular..
Im also ditched windows 3 years ago.n using Deepin..
Im satisfy with that
U are like who said Huawei cant ever make 5G kirin chip again..
look.. They did it
@@ainz1325no windows is the selling point. Don't want to be spied on by Uncle Satan.
@@ainz1325Windows is spyware !!😅
Who needs Windows, Android & the USA to spy on them ? The world that wants to move away from the nefarious conman/scammer United Snakes of America would gladly embrace this new hardware & systems. China, the Middle East, Africa, etc have more than adequate masses compared to the USA & lapdogs' axis gang to make it absolutely feasible.
At the rate that China can move, it's a given that it's only a matter of time that it outperforms all those hardware & operating systems of the declining bully & render Windows obsolete !?
The world is grateful that there is China & Russia to challenge the axis of evil Snakes ... 👐🖐️👊✊❗😜😜
Yes, nature/maths belongs to us all.
This news just made my day. What more I can say. I am totally impressed and have now even more respect for Chinese leadership and how China is refusing to bow down to US bullying. Something to learn here folks. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Never give up. 👍
Ok Commie.
Looking forward to using an alternative to Windows. Great job!
an alternative is already out there... for years...
But the people are to lazy or their brain can´t do the work...idk
long way to go
@@hansdampf640 This will provide a trustworthy alternative. Trust previously made me reluctant to install alternatives. I have seen many users running into issues.
Looking forward to using tech that is NOT from the west, not because of hate, but because of the prolific backdoor created for C!A and U$ state dept.
@@hansdampf640 Not only that, but unfortunately many applications are tied to Windoze (and very old applications are tied to x86 stuff in some cases), and often public administration and offices use that platform instead of Linux/BSD based solutions. They don't know that stuff like Wine exists and that improved a lot over time.
Stallman was right to say that if people won't control software, then companies will control people using it.
Well done and a big congratulation to the TEAM OF ENGINEERS. It's good for many users who don't play computer games but for news browsing, WhatsApp chats and UA-cam videos because we don't have to pay for unnecessary advanced components that are expensive.
Absolutely agree with you ❤. We don't play computer games.
Amerikkan heeroo Gordoon Cang haas predikted cpp collaeps for 20 yeers, dis cpp tofu teknologhee wiil collaeps as predikted by hiim
🇨🇳 advanced tech is unstoppable..
there is a BIG WORLD outside the WINDOWS. got it.
Potato CPU
Go China! You never cease to amaze! This is an amazing stepping stone for a bright future, not only for China, but the developing world as well!
The new chips should be named as 'Red Dragon' ICs - 'breathing fire' into the new era of China's PC's and technologies. 👍
The beginning of a journey starts with the first step, these chips will improve quickly over time.
It's a start. There isn't a lot of countries in this world that can make a microprocessor from designing a chip to producing a chip from a fab.
Well done, China. Congrats! Having to build a pc with Chinese tech is an good step in the correct direction. This wil help China avoid the unreasonable sanctions.
unreasonable? haha communists talking
Well done.
Excellent news !
This is really amazing. As a Linux nerd myself who saw the potential of RISC-V, it is incredible to see such a rapid pace of hardware and software development. Chinese engineers have done in a handful of years what took decades for others.
ESP32 vs Raspberry Pi Pico. It's time to be sanction-proof from ARM 🔓
This CPU is not based on the RISC-V architecture, a completely new architecture（LoongArch） developed by the Chinese company. Other Chinese companies have projects based on RISC-V
@@aison2735 You're right. I should have said just "RISC".
@@aison2735
Really, how many set instructions than ? It’s Risc or Cisc ?
@@MMD_16-95it's a RISC ISA
Congratulations to the Loongson team of engineers. A "home brew" CPU that is three years behind Intel and could aspire to overtake or be on par with Intel and AMD. It seems Linux Debian loong64 arch is in the making. The idea to brew your own CPU started 20 years ago, could not imagine that you need it the most today with US sanctions on semiconductor chips in China. Hurrah!
Another chip released? Amazing progress! Great job to the motherland!
Congrats and a huge THANK YOU to all the engineers and everyone who made this possible !
Wonderful News.
There must have been so much hard works and sleepless nights to make this Chip a reality.
I have been using Linux as a general purpose pc for more than 10 years, it is an excellent os, estable, fast, and safe.
Yes. Linux is actually better than Windows in many aspects. The entire Linux family of OSs are great for variety of purposes.
It's "stable", "fast" and "safe" ... because it's not popular : not saturated by garbage programmers.
@@sarahlee9979I feel attacked
@@isoboy2125 "I feel attacked"
... able to 'self reflect' is a great quality
Let's be honest. Linux is a bit underwhelming compared to windows.
A journey begins with the first step.... good signs if the CPU can be made faster and using RISC or even ARM(a look at Apple M1 chip is good indication of the performance possible), than with emulation software speed becomes trivial and I like Unix base system as it is harder to get hacked and easier to harden it against hackers compared to Windows base system which is full of loop holes and backdoors for hackers to access your system.
Apple M1 and M2 aren't outperform Intel desktop. It is using SOC to make video and audio performance faster. If you want the best gaming platform, it is still Intel. Hyperthreading is still better in Intel and M1/M2 have non. 3D and CAD are still better in Intel. Loongson by it nature design is for server and supercomputing. If it is used in these area, it perform on par with Intel and better energy saving. It is like you won't use Intel XEON on your gaming pc.
@@kongwee1978 - thks for insightful reply. There is current hysteria especially in the US about technology sanctions, for decades and every since after the cold war the world has largely been shaped by western and US technology and this talk about decoupling and now de-risking just makes it very difficult for China that she will need to insulate from all these tech sanctions that can severely cripple its tech industry and this is the only start because than China will pushed out of a voice in new standards for new technologies or will China share their new technologies with the world especially the US to create new international standards??
These are trouble times indeed and the cooperation and goodwill of scientists all over the world sharing their findings and progress looks like coming to an end! This is not what globalization and fostering ties towards a better world for humanity this is silo, narrow minded view that u squeeze out the other to ensure your own dominance and relevance.
This CPU is not based on the RISC-V or ARM architecture, a completely new architecture（LoongArch） developed by the Chinese company. The Chinese company has CPU products for server platforms, PC platforms and mobile platforms, and the 3A6000 is a PC platform product
@@aison2735 it is based on MIPS - which they bought out
Looking forward for Huawei's Harmony OS support
wOW THAT WOULD BE COOL ;)
Good to see an alternative to Intel/AMD cpus, hope they can match performance within a few years.
The seed will grow. As most of the world population buys a computer to last five or more years for home use, there is a gigantic market that will be replacing equipment later on, and not necessarily want the most advanced or expensive models when they do, as they need technology that both trascends and includes older versions. Western equipment plans to make your items obsolete to force you into updating. That gives plenty of time to develop independence.
Magnificent. China !!
Amazing !!
I will definitely use that computer. Awesome job CHINA💌
GO CHINA ! GO ..GO FOR THE BIG WORLD >
Great stuff!
I remember that Loongson was notorious for their MIPS based processors (the same architecture used in PlayStations, N64 and UNIX workstations from SGI, DEC and other vendors) used in laptops like the Lemote Yeeloong (which was also used by Richard Stallman).
From a programmer perspective I always found x86 too crusty and burdened by its past, where instead RISC ISAs are much cleaner and simpler
They've switched to LoongArch ISA since 2021, which includes RISC-V.
MIPS has been completely abandoned by Loongson.
@@user-yx3kw8ii6i I know, and even by MIPS Technologies themselves. I find pretty sad that an ISA that used to power supercomputers, workstations and consoles was relegated to embedded applications to later disappear.
@@DVRC There's nothing we can do about that.
@@user-yx3kw8ii6i I know. For this I think that nowadays the most promising ISA is RISC-V
Next ,just need to work on the OS and applications that's fully Chinese developed.
Linux is a great platform to build on. So much hardware compatibility and security baked in over decades, yet it can be modified to support custom hardware and software, and also cut back to be as light as you want. Throwing it out would be a colossal waste of global effort, so I think China took the best path.
If the US decides to cut off China's access and somehow succeeds, there would always be a local copy to fork, then the West would lose out on China's contributions forever. I think most open-source developers and scientists are in it to change lives for the better, no matter what country those lives are in.
This news is breath of fresh air from a wide open windows.
thia PC is even faster than my laptop, lol
And at only 15 to 20 times the size!
What codecs, if any, are hardware accelerated? Do they work in Openshot and Handbrake?
What is the memory capacity of L1, L2 and L3 cache? Please specify these things on the another update of this PC. This looks really cool. Looking forward for further updates.
Great and fair review, nice work!
That's really cool, I wonder how long will it take till chinese home made chips will be as good as what ASML can do today. And maybe Linux is gonna make a comeback and beat at least Mac OS. I must say this Linux distro looks very nice. Although not everything is chinese (like AMD GPU here), but it doesn't have to be, some apps are probably better to be left alone, but for example the video player looks awesome.
If China starts seriously developing apps and software on top of Linux that will be a game changer. That also means that the processor does not need to be as powerful as something running Windows 11. I expect China to introduce this as a standard work computer for a lot of the schools, public offices and similar and thereby create the demand necessary to keep developing. I'm hoping other countries in Asia, Africa and South-America also understands the implications of this and starts to develop on top of Linux to break free from the US monopoly.
Well done china. This is the only way to fight back bullying. I am confident Chinese engineers will keep improving and take technology to a higher level than the arrogant western bullies.
I am looking forward to PCs based on Loongson designs. PC market direly needs competition. Well done!
That os distro actually looks really nice, it's only been 3 yrs and china is already self sufficient in both software and hardware. In another 5 yrs it will probably be equal, in 10 yrs it will probably be in the lead
Keep it up!
The problem is not the hardware the problem is always about the software and because this unix or linux is not so easy for average people to learn but it's highly possible if you make the apps very user friendly because Apple's products that run MACOS is originally UNIX OS that many people use till this day but they don't realise at all because the traditional Xwindows interface on unix have been modified heavily and extensively to a point that it's so automated that there's no need to go to the command line level to do almost anything. So the big challenge for this to take off at least in china there needs to be a platform like a kind of software app store where programmers and other software creators people can upload their work for people to try for free or for a fee (to use with this hardware). But the hardware also eventually needs to shrink into the size of a laptop based system so that it can be promoted to be used in schools and universities and maybe with subsidies for students, just like how apple I heard used to do it.
Linux is not hard to use. Most people do everything on web browsers nowadays anyway. The only problem Linux has is lack of compatibility with proprietary software
that is an old argument, diferent yes, easier... I don´t know. my daugther at 7 and her friends used the computers in my house without any problem and without asking. 15 years ago. They loved those elastic windows and flares!
@@your-mom-irl to understand what I mean when I said unix is not easy to learn open up the terminal window on your linux box and try to use the cmd line to su or sudo to root and then export your display and use root to launch applications that you would normally do when using a mouse to launch application, if it's your first time on cmd you will find it very cryptic and you may not even be able to do it, even if you google for the solution, that is what working on unix originally was, then just imagine if you also have language barrier don't understand english then you may not be motivated learn to use the cmd interface much because you don't understand what is being displayed or what you are typing due to barrier. But thankfully these days they have simplified it and integrated everything into a point and click graphical environment for the masses that is so easy to use even a kid can do it. Yes it means you have "worked in" linux or unix but doesn]t mean you "really know" unix or linux. But for the benefit of the vast majority of learners in China with possibly english language handicap it's better to develop and improve on the graphical interface in linux as a way for students to learn and work in.
Good job
i am so happy to see this feel happy
The processor is attached to the motherboard ? Oo
Awesome grt .I love chinese phone
Good jobs
Fantabulous
Woa, this is really cool! How can I get my hands on one of these in Europe?
China's new generation of domestic CPU has been released. The performance of the Chinese made "Godson3A6000", which can be independently produced without foreign authorization, has doubled. It is comparable to Intel's 10th generation Core quad core processor. In the short term, with the "Huawei Hongmeng Next" distributed operating system or other PC computer operating systems, there is huge room for expansion. The development prospects of domestic and commercial PC brands in China will be unlimited. Think about the huge PC market in Chinese Mainland and even the world. Even if it is only aimed at the domestic PC replacement market, business will be too busy. Even if the market marketing strategy of "small cabbage price, high profit," benefits Social mass consumers, in addition, will be able to integrate various elements and functions of "artificial intelligence" (AI) into AI computer PC in the future, which will make a lot of money at that time, and the recruiters may not be able to come. The computer PC market is bound to usher in earth shaking changes with more orders 😄😃😁👍👏✌
Better! Hyperthreading on Virtual Logicgate improves the Speed as needed.
Cant wait to get cheap and good quality pc 🎉
honestly that is impressive. considering they basically only started in the early late 90's or early 2000's, making this much progress is considered pretty impressive already. they already have a market so now they just need to slowly improve.
Hope to have this brand new tech from China as soon as possible. Great job folks.
Very Well,Girls and Boys in China❤
the alternative is very good.
Nice
China brought back MIPS PCs! I have been missing it since the demise of SGI! Thanks, China!
I wonder if they used qemu for the code translation.
come on guys, it's a RISC processor, as powerful as an i3, and probably doesn't have Intel ME backdoor or anything similar to that for now. And I love how the CGTN guy calls the OS GNU/Linux. I wonder if they have a libreboot equivalent. I would love a fully FOSS computer with i3 performance, especially on hardware similar to old thinkpads. Wishing everyone involved luck. :D
And the best part is CGTN flexed with that neofetch lol.
Respects to free software
i think next year, they will officel release this cpu and board.
but i am waiting 3b6000 version（8c16t）, witch will be made next year, and the company says they are expecting 20% ipc improve
This CPU is not based on the RISC-V or ARM , a completely new （LoongArch） developed by the Chinese company. The Chinese company has CPU products for server platforms, PC platforms and mobile platforms, and the 3A6000 is a PC platform product
deepin needs to make an advertisement on tv
GNU/Linux operating system + Free (as in freedom and opensource) software for the win 💪
fully Chinese processors are very interesting.
I won bay it soon, it's really happy news
American Scientists are deeply researching this Chips again as Huawei's 7 nm processor.
👍👍👍👍👍
Does it support RDNA GPUs? And if not why?
Congratulations China .. Long Way To Go ..
🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 ।।। Sino _ Nepal Friendship
"There is a big world outside of those windows" that hits haaaard
It can't use Windows natively, but there should be a way to emulate Windows/iOS.
Let proprietary Windows OS rot in hell, GNU/Linux and other open-source software are the way to go 👍🏻
@@ibrahimtouman2279 I'm not sure about rotting in hell, but it probably shouldn't be trusted anywhere China's secrets are kept. There are still situations where it's useful for now, and successfully running it on an emulated hardware platform should be achievable.
People are using wine and qemu to play x86 games. Stuff pre 2012 seems to work with the additional grafix card
Encouraging. Competition is always better for the consumer. I welcome it.
"There is a big world outside of the windows"
Try dual processors to increase performance.
Looks like its a KDE LINUX😍
👍
This is such a dramatic leap forward compared to the earlier Chinese designed chips just a few years ago! At this rate the Chinese designs will be competitive in just a few years 🎉🎉🎉
I see this only as New Beginnings...of something far more advanced into the future. I know my Countrymen can do this well. They should focus on the Perfect Ecosystem. Thats about it. Driftinh away from the US and European Technology means We create something New For the world. They did this 100 years back. We are doing it 100 years later...So much has gone through the world of semiconductors...This will be our Rise here...The Human Brain should push for more Developments....Only if Politics Wills it!
the operating system that has become popular needs advertising.
Still trying to get my Linux certification done. :-(
It is only a matter of time before this becomes mainstream.
loongson should work on risc too
Well they are trying. And I do agree, that's a great machine to learn coding and Linux is a great place to start. 65 watts is pretty good, it doesn't require a dang generator to run like Intel's recent chip sets. It's a step in the right direction, and I do believe there can be a market for this outside china.
Objective review!
I hope they catch up in a year or two
Amazing and congratulations to 🇨🇳loongson 3A6000 PC👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍💪💪💪💪💪open source Linux👍
we could have bought it sooner.
why is this processor not sold on Aliexpress?
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@@chulinfei0508 I think they will enter the world market after 2025
@@chulinfei0508 Are you Chinese
hi I'm indian, and I really believe china minds are brilliant
Alhamdulillah.
Decent
Hope it runs Windows. Would be great for me...
Minecraft java could run Natively with HMCL launcher (open source)
Long live China......
The theoretical performance of Longson 3A6000 is similar as Intel I5-6700 or I3-10100F, it's enough for normal computer works.
There's a big world outside the window😊😊
👍👍👍💪💪💪
Well, it has already been shown that China has great potential in engineering and development sciences and its dependence on the West is becoming less and less. In a few more years they could even surpass the big ones like AMD and INTEL.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💪🇨🇳
actually linux is way smoother than windows ,.
A big step forward and I love how Gong appreciates this as behind the current Gen or 3 on the lower tiers. It's compared to an i3 afterall. I look forward to future models and hopefully it can match and surpass the liked of amd and Intel.
after all theres a big World outside of Windows....