Pastor T "tell me the truth even if it hurts " for what goes round cones round".. the thirst not only for bread but also for the Word...The Bible In Totality , Student of History and Scripture (eschatology)..Revelation and Relevance...and also Righteousness above a moral code, principle(Soul) vs emotions (spiritual realm)...the devil of our day ...and the voice of our Generation on point ( the Jesus of let tge little chiildren and on to the tax collector perched on the tree) Pastor T.
Pastor T should tell us why cults arise from pentecostal and charismatic churches. The last time I checked cults don't come from self regulated or reserved churches like ACK and many others of that Calibre
The depths of this pertinent conversation were deep enough to revolutionize our minds. such conversations should be followed up with way forwards and action points , not necessarily from the framers who did a wonderful job to convene this but to us listeners to act for the betterment of our lives and the faith we believe in.
It is great covering a pertinent issue when it is pressing although it felt abit all over the place. Maybe the moderators should consider narrowing down the scope of the discussion and tackling it different episodes..Perhaps.
Iam glad we are at this space and time : Kudos to the lady speaking to the traditional base on the "Elephant in the room " the Invisible " that which this generation finds in Christ but not reflecting in Church..an issue i will pursue specifically with Pastor T (on the Scripture Voice and voices)...the missing link to my observation and conviction which made all the difference for me whenni was at the same cross roads is The Manifested Life and reality of Scriptures quickened to address very deep seated personal spiritual questions and on to basic daily aspects. Revelation of The Image of God by grace (indwelling within as espoused by Paul when God separated his natural birth and revealed "the son(&daughter) of God revealed in Paul by his divine encounter, and his recorded documented power of the 2 distinct phases of his life as Saul the intellectual believer and Paul the regenerated empowered Messenger to the Gentiles and the missing replacement of Judas in the 12 disciples notwithstanding the casting of lots for Mathias(Paul the disciple of the *Resurrected Christ confirming the same works of the Physical Jesus 3 yrs influence by physical association and supernatural experience as also was Moses ). Its the Personal Revelation of Christ(that wil render churches irrelevant). The very fellowship of The Spirit enjoining Gentiles as heirs of salvation that was the preserve of the Jews.( and this is in the Eschatological paradox of the workings of God that every one is called to diligently make their calling and election sure as individuals where they stand with Christ (not any institutional frame work that is crafted to speak to the generational delienations from Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same then and as a living reality daily TODAY...giving also insight into future of His glory beyond the constraints of Time and Space ( by Faith)..This Dual performance of Jesus Christ to The 12 physically and to the one after resurrection and producing/confirming/ meeting the Spiritual needs is the Missing Link....and this is where it begins to get exciting ( the Life of Christ according to John 14:20-21; 2Peter1:1-11(Character formation process by Faith), Revelation Ch 1,2,3( embodiment by Worship complemented by demonstrable Character) ; and the empowerment identical to the planetary premise of Adam (Genesis 1:26 the Created person, embodiment of the Divine by Restoration of God through Righteousness not institutional moralizing gospel of the mind /intellectual Faith )...and This is the Performance of God by His Sovereign plan and design even as He demonstrates and chose Paul to replace Judas though pple had Matthias (and so do pple cast lots today on their chosen preferred leading *Authority)...in this Information age where everyone desire to Manifest who and what they are ( its the very distinctive age and paradigm of the "sons of God " that Paul alluded all nature is waiting for and in travail about, groaning to wit their designated Intervenitions(As Divinely Purposed & Called*) (back to eschatology ...and Pastor Ts moment of reckoning is upon him(the Charismatic national youth Pastor) and a great opportunity to bring forth this Paradigm Shift from Churchanity to Divine Dynamics speaking to this specific generation ( however id call it Spectrum generational divide that traces back to Azusa street REVIVAL ...pastor T here i come ( we reason together ) for of neccessity it must be an Epochal Paradigm shift phenomena(STANDARD/PLUMB LINE) that addresses the SPECTRUM expectation by all the generations found within this moment and time. "EXPLOITS" according to Daniel Loading. * Authority must be the Resurrected Christ same Jesus confirming His phenomena in individuals by His very DIVINE operation that certify every Christian as a WITNESS. and that by fulfillment of Scripture not professed andnlearned psychologies which have their place yet in the same schema.
very fitting summing up Pete Odera INDIVIDUALISED RESPONSIBILITY accountable to God yet in the beneficient end effect directed at the management of human affairs.
Pastor Kiama kudos WHAT you say and HOW you live must be siamese feature in all aspects neccessry for presentation and demonstration innpublic life...and on to the neighboir any person nearest to you at any given moment in time..and ready to give witness of the hope called to.
Mark Masai good of the country and most impportantly the good of the Kingdom. which exceeds all church formations very deep to fill the ocean and expance to cover all space and time yet very miniature to indwell the heart: soul , spirit and mind of any one goven amd committed to diligence.
We should have more balanced, biblical discussions, this was a really good one. One point of correction on the handkerchiefs, Paul didn't even touch them. The Acts 19:12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them.
Mimi naamini kando na mackenzie kuna mikono ya watu maarufu kwa hayo mauaji,, mimi sii mwana sheria lakini kikatiba mackenzie hana kesi ya kujibu maanda mahakama zahitaji ushahidi...wapi ushahidi yeye akiambia wafwasi wake wafunge hadi wafe? Je swala la uchawi linakubalika kwa katiba? Yote tisa la kumi nikwamba lazima wahusika wapate athabu kali..
Good conversation but only one side of the coin, so there's no truth here and this type of ownership of faith is unfair and cognitively biased. The examples on Branham are their personal imaginative views, and while they may have a reason to bring it up, they have not clearly explained their own message and why they are the 'owners of the truth'
Pastor T "tell me the truth even if it hurts " for what goes round cones round".. the thirst not only for bread but also for the Word...The Bible In Totality , Student of History and Scripture (eschatology)..Revelation and Relevance...and also Righteousness above a moral code, principle(Soul) vs emotions (spiritual realm)...the devil of our day ...and the voice of our Generation on point ( the Jesus of let tge little chiildren and on to the tax collector perched on the tree) Pastor T.
Pastor T should tell us why cults arise from pentecostal and charismatic churches. The last time I checked cults don't come from self regulated or reserved churches like ACK and many others of that Calibre
How can we help in making sure that the sound does not fail next time.
These two brothers needs our support.
The depths of this pertinent conversation were deep enough to revolutionize our minds.
such conversations should be followed up with way forwards and action points , not necessarily from the framers who did a wonderful job to convene this but to us listeners to act for the betterment of our lives and the faith we believe in.
"We condone by not condemning." Pete Odera
Pastor T !!! 🎉🎉
It is great covering a pertinent issue when it is pressing although it felt abit all over the place. Maybe the moderators should consider narrowing down the scope of the discussion and tackling it different episodes..Perhaps.
thank you for this.
Good stuff.really good stuff.
I gained some nuggets of Wisdom this evening... Rather eye opening
This is deep!
Amazing conversation!
Great Conversation! I did not know Shaka Horror Exist in our Loved Country!!
Deep content indeed!...Let's share the link widely and pass the message across guys...
Voice of our generation..This is very Powerful 💪
Iam glad we are at this space and time : Kudos to the lady speaking to the traditional base on the "Elephant in the room " the Invisible " that which this generation finds in Christ but not reflecting in Church..an issue i will pursue specifically with Pastor T (on the Scripture Voice and voices)...the missing link to my observation and conviction which made all the difference for me whenni was at the same cross roads is The Manifested Life and reality of Scriptures quickened to address very deep seated personal spiritual questions and on to basic daily aspects. Revelation of The Image of God by grace (indwelling within as espoused by Paul when God separated his natural birth and revealed "the son(&daughter) of God revealed in Paul by his divine encounter, and his recorded documented power of the 2 distinct phases of his life as Saul the intellectual believer and Paul the regenerated empowered Messenger to the Gentiles and the missing replacement of Judas in the 12 disciples notwithstanding the casting of lots for Mathias(Paul the disciple of the *Resurrected Christ confirming the same works of the Physical Jesus 3 yrs influence by physical association and supernatural experience as also was Moses ). Its the Personal Revelation of Christ(that wil render churches irrelevant).
The very fellowship of The Spirit enjoining Gentiles as heirs of salvation that was the preserve of the Jews.( and this is in the Eschatological paradox of the workings of God that every one is called to diligently make their calling and election sure as individuals where they stand with Christ (not any institutional frame work that is crafted to speak to the generational delienations from Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same then and as a living reality daily TODAY...giving also insight into future of His glory beyond the constraints of Time and Space ( by Faith)..This Dual performance of Jesus Christ to The 12 physically and to the one after resurrection and producing/confirming/ meeting the Spiritual needs is the Missing Link....and this is where it begins to get exciting ( the Life of Christ according to John 14:20-21; 2Peter1:1-11(Character formation process by Faith), Revelation Ch 1,2,3( embodiment by Worship complemented by demonstrable Character) ; and the empowerment identical to the planetary premise of Adam (Genesis 1:26 the Created person, embodiment of the Divine by Restoration of God through Righteousness not institutional moralizing gospel of the mind /intellectual Faith )...and This is the Performance of God by His Sovereign plan and design even as He demonstrates and chose Paul to replace Judas though pple had Matthias (and so do pple cast lots today on their chosen preferred leading *Authority)...in this Information age where everyone desire to Manifest who and what they are ( its the very distinctive age and paradigm of the "sons of God " that Paul alluded all nature is waiting for and in travail about, groaning to wit their designated Intervenitions(As Divinely Purposed & Called*) (back to eschatology ...and Pastor Ts moment of reckoning is upon him(the Charismatic national youth Pastor) and a great opportunity to bring forth this Paradigm Shift from Churchanity to Divine Dynamics speaking to this specific generation ( however id call it Spectrum generational divide that traces back to Azusa street REVIVAL ...pastor T here i come ( we reason together ) for of neccessity it must be an Epochal Paradigm shift phenomena(STANDARD/PLUMB LINE) that addresses the SPECTRUM expectation by all the generations found within this moment and time. "EXPLOITS" according to Daniel Loading.
* Authority must be the Resurrected Christ
same Jesus confirming His phenomena in individuals by His very DIVINE operation that
certify every Christian as a WITNESS. and that by fulfillment of Scripture not professed andnlearned psychologies which have their place yet in the same schema.
Pastor Lydia ...Duty to God in service to humanity absolutely, relationship gospel.
very fitting summing up Pete Odera INDIVIDUALISED RESPONSIBILITY accountable to God yet in the beneficient end effect directed at the management of human affairs.
Great stuff though sound challenge from time to time.
Pastor Kiama kudos WHAT you say and HOW you live must be siamese feature in all aspects neccessry for presentation and demonstration innpublic life...and on to the neighboir any person nearest to you at any given moment in time..and ready to give witness of the hope called to.
When true believers arise, fake prophets leave the markeet.
Mark Masai good of the country and most impportantly the good of the Kingdom. which exceeds all church formations very deep to fill the ocean and expance to cover all space and time yet very miniature to indwell the heart: soul , spirit and mind of any one goven amd committed to diligence.
Great work guys, mic ya pastor T iangaliwe vizuri
We should have more balanced, biblical discussions, this was a really good one. One point of correction on the handkerchiefs, Paul didn't even touch them. The Acts 19:12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them.
GOOD COVERSATIONS . WORK ON SOUND QUALITY
Please adjust Pastors Microphone
Sound
Awesome job guy's! But you can improve on the sound. 💪🏾
Technical issues, kindly deal with next time
This is very serious conversation here, But please next time work on your sound.If you need help let me know
Please check the mics next time! Pastor T wasn't audible enough I was struggling to listen to him.
The branham stroy is so famliar... I first learnt about him from some relatives. They behave weirdly and this explains a lot. They're in a cult!
I also have friends under this 'brahanism' for sure they behave weirdly.
Just because they are not understood, that does not make it weird but it just shows ignorance and confirmation bias
Mimi naamini kando na mackenzie kuna mikono ya watu maarufu kwa hayo mauaji,, mimi sii mwana sheria lakini kikatiba mackenzie hana kesi ya kujibu maanda mahakama zahitaji ushahidi...wapi ushahidi yeye akiambia wafwasi wake wafunge hadi wafe? Je swala la uchawi linakubalika kwa katiba? Yote tisa la kumi nikwamba lazima wahusika wapate athabu kali..
Hire mine
Good conversation but only one side of the coin, so there's no truth here and this type of ownership of faith is unfair and cognitively biased. The examples on Branham are their personal imaginative views, and while they may have a reason to bring it up, they have not clearly explained their own message and why they are the 'owners of the truth'
Lol..roots and culture is the way for Africans..all this is just magazine stuff