As a number of you have pointed out, the helos in the second scenario DO have sonobouys I could have deployed. I guess that one counts as the Jingles Landing for this video.
""I signed the checks, I didn't command taskforces" Can you imagine? Jingles, commanding taskforces? He would call in a strike against his own escorts in about 5 minutes.
In a twist of stupidity, the targeting system confuses escorts with Escort, and duly nukes a nearby car carrier. No ones is hurt but Mickey from Sunderland’s new Merc is fucked.
Time served in an armed force does not transfer tactical level knowledge. You could do 30+ years as a mess specialist, and know everything there is to know about feeding an aircraft carrier full of sailors, and not know the first thing about naval combat. But you can bet that ship isn't anywhere near as combat capable if the food is crap. It takes a team to make a warship work. Every rating is important, and ALL the jobs need doing by somebody.
UNLESS you was in payroll! Twice a month, everyone LOVES you. On the other hand, 28 times a month, they threaten to throw your ass off the fantail in the middle of the night.......
I know someone who is a tank driver irl who can theoretically command the tank in-game but is hopeless at situational awareness, so it doesn't even transfer across a 4-person vehicle
@@darren_anscombe Yes...exactly as you say, I came here to say...this is the perfect game for Jingles to play terribly. LOL Just because one was in the Navy for 20 years, and has a tremendous amount of knowledge, does not mean that one is capable of actually playing any game involving naval warfare...and Jingles is 100 percent proof of that. I mean...in the 2nd scenario, he had his ships running at 19 knots, so of course they could never hear the subs before it was too late. ROFLMAO
Watching this bring out with his real-world naval experience and old stories is great content. More please. Just wait till they add the RN and a Falklands Campaign.
@@iKvetch558 Exactly. I’ve talked to self-proclaimed “experts on the Vietnam War” because “they were there”. LOLOL That makes you an expert at what you saw and experienced and nothing more.
For ASW work: the SH-2F's do have MAD's for your usage when you drop down to 20 ft. The SSQ-53's you clicked on are the sonar buoys, 15 deployable (non recoverable).
About 2-3AM one morning in the Med I spotted a carrier group BY EYE almost an hour before it was picked up on radar. Weird atmospheric stuff like a mirage but over the water so it bent the light over the horizon while the radar didn't bend. The Captain himself handed me a cup of coffee for that catch when he came out to look.
Fun Fact: The Kidd class was originally built for Iran before the revolution in 1979. Because they were designed to operate primarily in the hot climate of the Middle East the US Navy used them extensively in that region of the world.
@@jimmccormick6091 You're correct. They had four A/C plants instead three compared to the Spruance along with additional desalination capacity. The gas turbines also had enhanced dust filtration.
I'm so happy to see MicroProse being reestablished as the go-to brand for games like this. My PC childhood was dominated by titles like X-Com, Transport Tycoon, Civilization, Fields of Glory and Pacific Air War, all published under that label. What a comeback.
They were bought by the guy who owns Titan IM which markets itself as a Bohemia Interactive Simulations(Virtual Battle Space[ArmA but for governments]) competitor, they've had a few hiccups but to see this much work being put into so many titles that remind me of games form my childhood, I am very impressed. Sea Power looks like it might end up being their best titles to date imo.
I'm hoping we'll even get british (or other Nations for that matter) playable vessels in this game. So far it's only the russians and americans, which is fine for a game set in the cold war period, but it would be really nice to play from the perspective of other major nations, too.
@@therealcrisis8439They’ve confirmed the Royal Navy is coming, and the only reason it isn’t already is because they didn’t think they could both do the RN justice and get the game out soon.
Probably a little better than the Petty Officer Third Class in my squadron that was convinced he had the Sea Monkey Watch while passing through the Straits of Gibraltar in 1993...lol
Quick tip for the next time, you've probably figured this out already by now but, anyway. If you put your ships on weapons free when you're under attack they'll use their Phalanx 20mm against the nearest missile threat
No idea why the devs didn't make them weapons free by default under the weapons tight setting. If your getting shot at by missiles and they're within CIWS range, no reason whatsoever to save 20mm ammo when your being sunk.
@@Sha.ll0w When I was on patrol in the gulf there was an SOP set for CIWS that had something to do with it not being able to identify correctly on it's own with it's tracking radar. If your ship was in close proximity to another they were afraid it would light them up too. I don't think this was an issue in manual control mode once the operator set up for general quarters, but the dictate was for automatic CIWS operation. Operation Earnest Will fleet on 2 ships during that time period. USS Waddell DDG-24 (Adams class) 85-87, USS Marvin Shields FF-1066 (Knox class) 87-89
@@michaelcartwright306 The reason is the CIWS could identify, tack, engage, and destroy multiple targets before an operator could confirm or deny lock and hit the manual off switch. If you turn it on you could potentially strike 3-4 friendlies before a crewman could physically push the emergency stop (so to speak). There was an incident where a friendlies chaff triggered the CIWS into striking them for blue on blue and neutralizing the chaff canisters fired against a legitimate missile threat.
@zockersau2 they do have dipping sonar ,you just have to set the altitude to the lowest possible height and once they hover around they dip the sonar into the water
But the sonar bouys are disposable, right? The helicopters have a limited number and the ship has a limited number to replenish the helicopters. They can't just be dumping sonobuoys in the water 24/7. Seems like the play here is to use the magnetic detector to get an initial fix and then use the buoys to locate the sub accurately enough for a torp drop. Also could probably use sprint-and-drift tactics with the OHP to increase detection range against the subs with it's towed array instead of steadily chugging along at 20 knots constantly.
33:42 "A guy on the back with an SA-2 on his shoulder" 🤣🤣🤣 That must be the strongest Iranian ever...??? Surely you mean an SA-7 Grail MANPADS oh Jingles, don't ever change!
Oh Jingles, the SM-2 is not "the naval version of the Sea Sparrow air-to-air missile(sic)". The RIM-7 Sea Sparrow already is the naval version of the AIM-7 Sparrow air-to-air missile. The RIM-67 SM-2ER is a dedicated naval SAM.
@@brucescott5387 I do remember hearing something like that, now that you mention it. That said, it's apparently enough of a difference that they gave it an entirely new designation. The SM-6 is designated the RIM-174 (and the air launched version the AIM-174, of course), while the SM-2 is the RIM-66, according to what I could find on Wikipedia. That said, you did say airframe, so, fair, I guess.
Great to see you covering this. I've been eagerly awaiting Sea Power and with some of the recent videos it seems to be just what I wanted -- a successor to Fleet Command! Only took a good 25 years... Anyway, now to watch the video!
Nice to see that the game makes it so hard for surface ships to find subs. When we went into war games we had to stay in a specific box at a specific set of depths so the surface ships knew where to look. Several times the judges had to tell us to go up to periscope depth and rotate and radiate because the surface ships could not find us. It was only by luck, that if we were not under guidance to make it easy for surface ships to find us. And you are right on about having sound recordings of adversary ships. A couple of the subs I was on were diverted from our original courses to take recordings of vessels that we did not have recordings on yet.
The USS Kid fighting the Iranians is Ironic as the class was ordered by Iran before the revolution and then cancelled by the new government. It's a Spruance class hull built as an air defence destroyer and optimized for operations in hot climates. Hence the class spent a lot of time in the Persian gulf, today the ships are sold to Taiwan.
That sonar "whistle". The first time I ever heard that was when I went to sea for the first time. I was onboard a Type 23 ASW frigate and we were on exercise hunting one of our own subs, if I recall correctly. I had never heard a real sonar outside of war movies. In those movies the sonar always made a pinging noise. When the frigate I was on activated its active sonar you could it it whistle throughout the ship. I had no idea what the sound was and I remember being laughed at by my shipmates when I asked what that noise was. I soon learnt that modern sonars make that long whistle sound rather than the short pinging. It was a very eerie sound. I'm definitely getting this game when it comes out. I'd love to see Royal Navy warships come to it.
Game looks fantastic, and there is nothing better than listening to your storytelling while playing those games. The Cold Waters series was an absolute blast, hope this becomes a new series!
I have to say you are the first youtuber I have watched play this game that hasn't started to bang away with active sensors from nearly the get go!! BRAVO!!
Like the Hormuz engagement. I was working in Qatar at that time and we were asked to repair a radar unit from a tanker that had taken a few cannon shells, needless to say, the radar unit was toast.
My ship, USS Texas CGN-39, replaced the USS Vincennes after they shot down the Iranian airbus. We only went to general quarters twice. Once when Iran was flying in an F14 on us. We painted it with our fire control radar and he courageously flew away. The second was when the brow watch called away a mine sighting. It turned out to be a floating bag of trash, but better safe than sorry.
Now THIS is the kinda Jingles content I enjoy most. Jingles humor/info dumps plus real life naval experiences. Reminds me of the Cold Waters series. Good stuff.
Hi! So about the acoustic library naval forces have: They record ships and put them in a library. With computer analysis it's even possible to recognize the amount of props and en amount of blades each prop has. Every blade has marks on it, due to cavitation implosions damaging the blade or by other damages. This gives each ship a fingerprint acoustic profile which will be recorded and stored in a library. Again, computer analysis is able to find the right recorded profile with a newly made recording, classifying and identifying an unknown unit. These databases are highly classified, just as EW databases, and only rough data is traded with other friendly nations as no one wants to even show their allies the capabilities of their sensors. So, experienced hearing but especially computer analysis is able to find specifics from a sound, like amount of props and amount of blades per prop which is important data to classify anything you don't have a recording of but know these specifics of (the reason the prop of a sub is always covered up on land in case someone takes a picture of it) and recordings can identify specific units based on the acoustic fingerprints in the database you have. This game feels the most as a realistic sim from all the naval games I've seen so far. Can't wait to play it. Been a while since I've been in the CIC, would love to take control of a SAG again.
33:40 Intellectually I know what you meant, but part of me is tickled by the mental image of one incredible specimen of an Iranian sailor toting around a two-ton, ten-meter-long SA-2 Guideline high-altitude surface-to-air missile on his shoulder :P
Tip for next time, The helicopters do have dipping sonars, but you have to put your helicopters on the deck for them to be used, as well as they should have sonar buoys
Jingles in this video: "I know that some of you have hesitations about early access games...." Jingles in Mingles with Jingles on Monday just gone: "Tell me a time when an early release has ever gone well." I know early access and early release are different but Jingles being Jingles is fantastic!
"Tell me a time when an early release has ever gone well." Rimworld, Space Engineers, Prison Architect, Subnautica just to name a few. You certainly have to be careful with EA but there have been plenty of successful games.
@@XMysticHerox those are early access, not early release games. So again which early RELEASE game has gone well? Maybe Starfield, at prerelease they had the game they thought was good enough, not realizing that the gamers actually wanted some kind of improvement in quality. At least it worked. (mostly)
@@Royallblu Funny; if you search for "what is an early release game" you get the definition of an "early access game." Almost as though there's no difference. Imagine that.
As a former Navy Operation Specialist and someone who had a rather shameless addiction to Fleet Commander forever ago, I've been lurking in the Microprose Discord for about a year patiently waiting for this to drop and November can't come soon enough.
I had the same love for Fleet Command (though I was only a YN1)...played the hell out of it. This definitely looks like as much of a spiritual successor as Cold Waters is to Red Storm Rising.
I am so hype for this game. I resubbed just to watch this game on this channel. Jingles was the first UA-camr I ever really followed and some Sea Power action from the first channel I ever really loved sounds like the best thing in the world.
@@Edawgpilot yes it was, he is talking about the one with the single door at the back and the tiny flight deck with the line across the center Jingles even mentions it has a flight deck when he says it has no Helicopters (and he isnt wrong)
The Gearing DOSNT have helicopters or a hanger though, it has ASW drones and a small storage area I dont think they are modled in game, so it might as well be useless in this situation
@@TonySpike if it was modelled, could they have contributed to finding the charlies? with the level of detail the devs put in, I auto assumed that it was possible to deploy and jingles just jingled
about the ASW mission, use the sonobuyo on your helos, you didnt used any ! would have saved you and detected a lot sooner, also the helos have the MAD, which comes out at 20ft while moving automatically, set up a track like pattern above any anomaly and you're good. dipping sonar wont be available, as it was post 80's and the game timeline stop right there.
He focused most of the time with the dipping sonar which the Seasprite doesn't have, they only have sonobuoys and MAD, very different from most Asw European helicopters. Sonobuoys and MAD made the helicopter more efficient in ASW since they can hunt while moving.
10:27 the thing is, the FRAM Gearings were rebuilt with emphasis on ASW, evident with gear like the ASROC box launcher amidships, two triple torpedo launchers in front of the superstructure where turret 2 originally was and a hangar which only can accomodate a QH-50 ASW drone
They were but it was ASW for use against diesel electric subs not newer nuclear and albacore style hull subs. Purpose built OHP and Knox class were vastly superior ASW ships than FRAM upgraded Gearings which were a stop gap to replace the too slow Destroyer Escorts the USN still had.
I absolutely loved this video... I came here because I heard this game launched and it is right up my alley. I found this video, and it helped me so much. I found it more helpful than some of the other videos due to its longer length and your more laid back play-as-you-go style. I appreciate that, because I believe this game has no tutorial. So I rewound your other video on submarine gameplay several times watching you nonchalantly launch at torpedo at the enemy. I also appreciate you anecdotal (yet important as they are valid) stories of your time serving. Brings a great light, understanding, and relatability to the gameplay, shedding a light on the expert game development, as well as the accuracy to historical context, as you have made aware. I will subscribe, and I hope you can make a series of "soft tutorials" on the game in the future. Thank you!!!
I love your knowledge and narration on the video. I love when you make sea power videos. I hope to see more. The game is so fun to watch. Specially when the person playing actually knows about the military vessels.
Yes, Jingles, this is correct. We submariners only seriously worry about other submarines. Surface vessels are treated more like obstacles than opponents. That was my experience in the 90s, anyway.
I actually played a few dozen hours of Cold Waters thanks to Jingles, and immediately got excited flashbacks when he switched to the submarine scenario
I actually like that you failed to defend your ships a few times and didn't reattempt the first mission since you would know what you'd be facing. There is more to learn from failure and you describe it perfectly. This is amazing content so I subbed immediately!
Once your Fox's missiles were out you should have put her into an ASMD course, essentially a 60 degree angle from your aft to the incoming missile. You are sailing out of your chaff and limiting its usefulness by sailing in an angle toward the incoming ASM threat. Another point of an ASMD course is to allow your CIWS a proper angle to fire which in the case of the fox looked like it wasn't even able to fire a single shot from the CIWS.
I loved your Cold Waters videos and am thrilled you have access to this game. I’ve had this on my wishlist for a long time. I can’t wait but your videos will help. Thank you!
So glad to see you play this game Jingles! I have been watching your videos for 10+ years, and can’t wait to see the new content you’ll be putting out.
Probably one of your best videos in ages, and close to harkening back to Cold Waters, as you said. BUT! I can't remember the last time I heard you give so many personal memories and activities you had witnessed. Wonderful Video!
The first time I learnt about thermal layers underwater and how to utilise them in sub to sub combat was from Subwar 2050 published by, you guessed it, Microprose. I still have the manual from when manuals were novels you had to finish before playing. I’m so happy this mythical publisher is back to delight and educate a new generation of gamers.
Hey, Jingles, just an FYI from my active-duty days, ESTOCIN is pronounced ES-Toe-Sin. And the OHP class were also known as "torpedo chasers". 😉 And yes, Jingles! The USS KIDD (DDG-993) was there in 1987 for tanker escort service! I was stationed on the bridge when the tanker MV Bridgeton struck a mine. But we didn't lose any ships ... 😄
DASH- “Drone Anti Submarine Helicopter”. Friend of mine was a DASH controller. He told me that one time they sent out their DASH, and when he tried to turn it around and bring it home, it ignored him and flew on until it ran out of fuel.
@@MrNatWhilk one of the problems I was told about was after dropping a torpedo, the whole thing was thrown off balance because you had the weight of the second torpedo. They have one on the USS Orlock which is being restored and moving from Lake Charles, La to somewhere in Florida.
The thought of being on that Alfa in the beginning is terrifying. Imagine getting shot by a torpedo by an enemy you cannot see, you try to hide and it finds you, you try to run and it catches you. It takes out your ability to manoeuvre and now you’re stuck under the water in a sinking boat with no way to get back to the air. Pure claustrophobic dread.
Watching this bring out with his real-world naval experience and old stories is great content. More please. Just wait till they add the RN and a Falklands Campaign.
Yeah jingles I heard the check signing part is very in depth and complicated in this game. You have such a HUGE advantage in that part of the game. thanks for the video
Howdy Jingles! My name is Mack McHale (yes, I know...American 1960's TV show "McHale's Navy"} And yes, I am a Retired US Navy CPO and I caught a ton of shit about that. I one told Rear Admiral Kelso when I was attached to Fleet Combat training Center at Dam Neck, Virginia in the early 80's; "That it was indeed MY navy, please don't scratch the paint." He laughed and put me on his staff for a while. I digress, I was once a "Screaming Seaman" Operations Specialist (radar/ASW type aboard USS Sterett CG 31 and also spent time on her sister USS England CG 30, who was moored to our port side. After watching your introductory presentation of Sea Power and your abysmal waste of USS Fox (funny though it was), I reflect on how we were equipped with the infamous SQL 17 "Helen Keller" sonar. A proud Raytheon/Dogshit International piece of grey painted crap. The only benefit to our Belknap was our LAMPS 2 helo. This little honey not only could drop sonobuoys and the occasional torpedo but most importantly was the MAD boom that trails behind it. I'm sure that you have recorded many "MADMAN" callouts as Ivan tried to be sneaky. So, does the game go into detail; of buoy drops and MAD contacts? I'm 65 and even more crap than you! Please keep up the amusing screw up and stories of your sea time. Fair winds and seas!
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As a number of you have pointed out, the helos in the second scenario DO have sonobouys I could have deployed. I guess that one counts as the Jingles Landing for this video.
And they have a MAD, that deploys at 20 feet.
And the gearing has a heli hangar
All the UA-camrs are a little overwhelmed by the detail and complexity.
Wouldn't be a jingles video if you hadn't got something wrong Big J. Call it a free "challenge" 😉
Thank you for showing us this awesome looking game! Kinda reminds me of DCS! 😊
""I signed the checks, I didn't command taskforces"
Can you imagine? Jingles, commanding taskforces? He would call in a strike against his own escorts in about 5 minutes.
Or, his own escort would call in a strike against him for being so crap! 😂
ENEMY BATTLESHIPS!
Sir, those are our escort destoryers!
In a twist of stupidity, the targeting system confuses escorts with Escort, and duly nukes a nearby car carrier. No ones is hurt but Mickey from Sunderland’s new Merc is fucked.
In fairness, it's really just a different sort of cheque being signed by the taskforce commanders.
Lmfaooo
Time served in an armed force does not transfer tactical level knowledge. You could do 30+ years as a mess specialist, and know everything there is to know about feeding an aircraft carrier full of sailors, and not know the first thing about naval combat. But you can bet that ship isn't anywhere near as combat capable if the food is crap. It takes a team to make a warship work. Every rating is important, and ALL the jobs need doing by somebody.
as it is in all company's ... from the CEO to the janitor.
UNLESS you was in payroll! Twice a month, everyone LOVES you. On the other hand, 28 times a month, they threaten to throw your ass off the fantail in the middle of the night.......
@@jimmccormick6091 still needed to run a company or warship... loved or not
I know someone who is a tank driver irl who can theoretically command the tank in-game but is hopeless at situational awareness, so it doesn't even transfer across a 4-person vehicle
Truth
I’ve been watching for the past 15 years and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more perfect Jingles game than Sea Power.
Exactly this. I could watch hours of Jingles messing up in this game.
@@darren_anscombe Yes...exactly as you say, I came here to say...this is the perfect game for Jingles to play terribly. LOL Just because one was in the Navy for 20 years, and has a tremendous amount of knowledge, does not mean that one is capable of actually playing any game involving naval warfare...and Jingles is 100 percent proof of that.
I mean...in the 2nd scenario, he had his ships running at 19 knots, so of course they could never hear the subs before it was too late. ROFLMAO
Watching this bring out with his real-world naval experience and old stories is great content. More please. Just wait till they add the RN and a Falklands Campaign.
@@iKvetch558
Exactly. I’ve talked to self-proclaimed “experts on the Vietnam War” because “they were there”. LOLOL That makes you an expert at what you saw and experienced and nothing more.
Cold waters where he has a Kirov class Vs a Trafalgar?
For ASW work: the SH-2F's do have MAD's for your usage when you drop down to 20 ft. The SSQ-53's you clicked on are the sonar buoys, 15 deployable (non recoverable).
Plus the towed array didnt seem to be deployed. Or everyone could have been pinging away instead.
Yeah, I hope he goes back and redeems himself on this scenario. 😢
@@MotoMerc the Perry's towed array was already deployed at the start though? and as he said, the other 2 ships don't have one and only have bow sonars
and the sonar buoys were visibly sticking out the sides lol
@@ham_the_spam4423 yup, saw that when the scene cut to the helo "hey, wait a minute .." kind of moment.
About 2-3AM one morning in the Med I spotted a carrier group BY EYE almost an hour before it was picked up on radar. Weird atmospheric stuff like a mirage but over the water so it bent the light over the horizon while the radar didn't bend. The Captain himself handed me a cup of coffee for that catch when he came out to look.
That's badass.
Nice one.
T……
Fun Fact: The Kidd class was originally built for Iran before the revolution in 1979. Because they were designed to operate primarily in the hot climate of the Middle East the US Navy used them extensively in that region of the world.
"Ayatollah class". I was told they had mad air conditioning.....
@@jimmccormick6091 You're correct. They had four A/C plants instead three compared to the Spruance along with additional desalination capacity. The gas turbines also had enhanced dust filtration.
I'm so happy to see MicroProse being reestablished as the go-to brand for games like this. My PC childhood was dominated by titles like X-Com, Transport Tycoon, Civilization, Fields of Glory and Pacific Air War, all published under that label. What a comeback.
My childhood was B17 simulator and Grand prix 2....
Hell, I still play GP2.
Gunship, M1 Tank Platoon, as well.
They put out as lot of good games in that era.
They were bought by the guy who owns Titan IM which markets itself as a Bohemia Interactive Simulations(Virtual Battle Space[ArmA but for governments]) competitor, they've had a few hiccups but to see this much work being put into so many titles that remind me of games form my childhood, I am very impressed. Sea Power looks like it might end up being their best titles to date imo.
@@TomGS Have you played B-17 redux yet? Its fairly solid......not GREAT, but a huge nostalgia trip with slightly better graphics lol.
@ryanmarc1853 I have it in my "to do" list.
I need to 100% ghost recon wildlands first... and since I'm a masochist I'm playing with no HUD...
"Lets start with the submarine duel"
and now I wish Jingles would play Cold Waters some more
Jingles mc'jingleberry rides again!
Sea power is also similar to cold water to some extent, but it just simply Jane's fleet command combined with Cold water
Jingles. Recreate your near missile experience from the Gulf War.
Omg yes! I second this.
Third here
Fourth
Church of the Fifth-ing this lmao
I sense the sixth! 😂
Jingles is a canonical SeaPower character. We need his voice for whenever you're giving orders to a british destroyer.
I'm hoping we'll even get british (or other Nations for that matter) playable vessels in this game. So far it's only the russians and americans, which is fine for a game set in the cold war period, but it would be really nice to play from the perspective of other major nations, too.
@@therealcrisis8439since they mention nato they are definitely adding other nations
@@therealcrisis8439 I can easily see some falklands campaign missions being added to this game
@@therealcrisis8439They’ve confirmed the Royal Navy is coming, and the only reason it isn’t already is because they didn’t think they could both do the RN justice and get the game out soon.
Sea power is supposed to be a naval-air-ground simulation of real life cold war era, despite the ground warfare don't have that much details
On my first posting to HMAS Derwent in 1979, I was tasked with taking some milk up for the SeaCat. Such a N00B! :)
Probably a little better than the Petty Officer Third Class in my squadron that was convinced he had the Sea Monkey Watch while passing through the Straits of Gibraltar in 1993...lol
Quick tip for the next time, you've probably figured this out already by now but, anyway. If you put your ships on weapons free when you're under attack they'll use their Phalanx 20mm against the nearest missile threat
No idea why the devs didn't make them weapons free by default under the weapons tight setting. If your getting shot at by missiles and they're within CIWS range, no reason whatsoever to save 20mm ammo when your being sunk.
@@Sha.ll0w When I was on patrol in the gulf there was an SOP set for CIWS that had something to do with it not being able to identify correctly on it's own with it's tracking radar. If your ship was in close proximity to another they were afraid it would light them up too. I don't think this was an issue in manual control mode once the operator set up for general quarters, but the dictate was for automatic CIWS operation. Operation Earnest Will fleet on 2 ships during that time period. USS Waddell DDG-24 (Adams class) 85-87, USS Marvin Shields FF-1066 (Knox class) 87-89
@@Sha.ll0w USS Stark and INS Hanit wondered the same thing.
Yeah, I was wondering why R2D2 with an attitude didn't engage the missiles, they are LETHAL to missiles.
@@michaelcartwright306 The reason is the CIWS could identify, tack, engage, and destroy multiple targets before an operator could confirm or deny lock and hit the manual off switch. If you turn it on you could potentially strike 3-4 friendlies before a crewman could physically push the emergency stop (so to speak). There was an incident where a friendlies chaff triggered the CIWS into striking them for blue on blue and neutralizing the chaff canisters fired against a legitimate missile threat.
Oh jingles. Those sea sprites have both sonar buoys and dipping sonar! :D
They don't have dipping sonar in this, but they have the MAD
The load out does show SSQ-53 sonar buoys, so they have at least a number of those
@zockersau2 they do have dipping sonar ,you just have to set the altitude to the lowest possible height and once they hover around they dip the sonar into the water
@@Yukipisu That's the Magnetic Anomaly Detector. The SH-2F in USN service was not equipped with a dipping sonar
But the sonar bouys are disposable, right? The helicopters have a limited number and the ship has a limited number to replenish the helicopters. They can't just be dumping sonobuoys in the water 24/7.
Seems like the play here is to use the magnetic detector to get an initial fix and then use the buoys to locate the sub accurately enough for a torp drop.
Also could probably use sprint-and-drift tactics with the OHP to increase detection range against the subs with it's towed array instead of steadily chugging along at 20 knots constantly.
I hope this turns into a series like cold waters back in the day!
33:42 "A guy on the back with an SA-2 on his shoulder" 🤣🤣🤣 That must be the strongest Iranian ever...??? Surely you mean an SA-7 Grail MANPADS oh Jingles, don't ever change!
What? Are you so weak that you can't carry one measley flying telephone pole? 😜
@@Hairysteed 🤣🤣🤣
Oh Jingles, the SM-2 is not "the naval version of the Sea Sparrow air-to-air missile(sic)". The RIM-7 Sea Sparrow already is the naval version of the AIM-7 Sparrow air-to-air missile.
The RIM-67 SM-2ER is a dedicated naval SAM.
and now that missile airframe is being slapped on f18 hornets
@@brucescott5387 That's the SM-6 that's being put on Hornets.
@@brucescott5387 Ah yes, the AIM-174B as the spiritual successor to the AIM-54 Phoenix.
@@aidengohlke9713 yes but if you look into the whole series the SM-6 is the same airframe as the SM-2ER just with better internals.
@@brucescott5387 I do remember hearing something like that, now that you mention it. That said, it's apparently enough of a difference that they gave it an entirely new designation. The SM-6 is designated the RIM-174 (and the air launched version the AIM-174, of course), while the SM-2 is the RIM-66, according to what I could find on Wikipedia. That said, you did say airframe, so, fair, I guess.
Great to see you covering this. I've been eagerly awaiting Sea Power and with some of the recent videos it seems to be just what I wanted -- a successor to Fleet Command! Only took a good 25 years... Anyway, now to watch the video!
Nice to see that the game makes it so hard for surface ships to find subs. When we went into war games we had to stay in a specific box at a specific set of depths so the surface ships knew where to look. Several times the judges had to tell us to go up to periscope depth and rotate and radiate because the surface ships could not find us. It was only by luck, that if we were not under guidance to make it easy for surface ships to find us. And you are right on about having sound recordings of adversary ships. A couple of the subs I was on were diverted from our original courses to take recordings of vessels that we did not have recordings on yet.
The USS Kid fighting the Iranians is Ironic as the class was ordered by Iran before the revolution and then cancelled by the new government.
It's a Spruance class hull built as an air defence destroyer and optimized for operations in hot climates. Hence the class spent a lot of time in the Persian gulf, today the ships are sold to Taiwan.
That sonar "whistle". The first time I ever heard that was when I went to sea for the first time. I was onboard a Type 23 ASW frigate and we were on exercise hunting one of our own subs, if I recall correctly. I had never heard a real sonar outside of war movies. In those movies the sonar always made a pinging noise. When the frigate I was on activated its active sonar you could it it whistle throughout the ship. I had no idea what the sound was and I remember being laughed at by my shipmates when I asked what that noise was. I soon learnt that modern sonars make that long whistle sound rather than the short pinging. It was a very eerie sound.
I'm definitely getting this game when it comes out. I'd love to see Royal Navy warships come to it.
Game looks fantastic, and there is nothing better than listening to your storytelling while playing those games. The Cold Waters series was an absolute blast, hope this becomes a new series!
I have to say you are the first youtuber I have watched play this game that hasn't started to bang away with active sensors from nearly the get go!! BRAVO!!
Jingles didn't even use the Phalanx CIWS to defend against the second wave of Harpoons.
Like the Hormuz engagement. I was working in Qatar at that time and we were asked to repair a radar unit from a tanker that had taken a few cannon shells, needless to say, the radar unit was toast.
Definitely want to see you playing some more of this game and telling us of your naval experiences
My ship, USS Texas CGN-39, replaced the USS Vincennes after they shot down the Iranian airbus. We only went to general quarters twice. Once when Iran was flying in an F14 on us. We painted it with our fire control radar and he courageously flew away. The second was when the brow watch called away a mine sighting. It turned out to be a floating bag of trash, but better safe than sorry.
What if you cover a mine with a trash bag?
@@cideltacommand7169 You extend the shelf life.
Now THIS is the kinda Jingles content I enjoy most. Jingles humor/info dumps plus real life naval experiences. Reminds me of the Cold Waters series. Good stuff.
Hi! So about the acoustic library naval forces have: They record ships and put them in a library. With computer analysis it's even possible to recognize the amount of props and en amount of blades each prop has. Every blade has marks on it, due to cavitation implosions damaging the blade or by other damages. This gives each ship a fingerprint acoustic profile which will be recorded and stored in a library. Again, computer analysis is able to find the right recorded profile with a newly made recording, classifying and identifying an unknown unit. These databases are highly classified, just as EW databases, and only rough data is traded with other friendly nations as no one wants to even show their allies the capabilities of their sensors.
So, experienced hearing but especially computer analysis is able to find specifics from a sound, like amount of props and amount of blades per prop which is important data to classify anything you don't have a recording of but know these specifics of (the reason the prop of a sub is always covered up on land in case someone takes a picture of it) and recordings can identify specific units based on the acoustic fingerprints in the database you have.
This game feels the most as a realistic sim from all the naval games I've seen so far. Can't wait to play it. Been a while since I've been in the CIC, would love to take control of a SAG again.
mega-cool ! "Jane's FleetCommand (deluxe, remastered, revamped, the way it supposed to be back then)" returns....
It's like CMO with graphics, I'm going to love it.
33:40 Intellectually I know what you meant, but part of me is tickled by the mental image of one incredible specimen of an Iranian sailor toting around a two-ton, ten-meter-long SA-2 Guideline high-altitude surface-to-air missile on his shoulder :P
I participated in a couple of REFORGER exercise deployments when I was a much younger man. 😉
Jingles we need more of these videos this was a brilliant watch
Tip for next time, The helicopters do have dipping sonars, but you have to put your helicopters on the deck for them to be used, as well as they should have sonar buoys
Jingles in this video: "I know that some of you have hesitations about early access games...."
Jingles in Mingles with Jingles on Monday just gone: "Tell me a time when an early release has ever gone well."
I know early access and early release are different but Jingles being Jingles is fantastic!
>"Tell me a time when an early release has ever gone well."
Kerbal Space Program 1.0.
"Tell me a time when an early release has ever gone well."
Rimworld, Space Engineers, Prison Architect, Subnautica just to name a few. You certainly have to be careful with EA but there have been plenty of successful games.
@@XMysticHerox those are early access, not early release games. So again which early RELEASE game has gone well?
Maybe Starfield, at prerelease they had the game they thought was good enough, not realizing that the gamers actually wanted some kind of improvement in quality. At least it worked. (mostly)
@@JohnWilliamNowak KSP1 was Early Access not Early Release... please try again
@@Royallblu Funny; if you search for "what is an early release game" you get the definition of an "early access game." Almost as though there's no difference. Imagine that.
I am glad this game is finally getting some attention. I’ve had it on my wishlist for awhile
Love the opening few seconds. It gives a vibe of the movie “The Final Countdown”
This has suprise mini Christmas series written all over it, looking forward to it hopefully
As a former Navy Operation Specialist and someone who had a rather shameless addiction to Fleet Commander forever ago, I've been lurking in the Microprose Discord for about a year patiently waiting for this to drop and November can't come soon enough.
I had the same love for Fleet Command (though I was only a YN1)...played the hell out of it. This definitely looks like as much of a spiritual successor as Cold Waters is to Red Storm Rising.
I am so hype for this game. I resubbed just to watch this game on this channel. Jingles was the first UA-camr I ever really followed and some Sea Power action from the first channel I ever really loved sounds like the best thing in the world.
*Gearing has no helicopters, it has no hangar!*
also jingles: *zooms in on the gearings obvious hangar*
ASW drone helis to be exact
That wasn’t the gearing
@@Edawgpilot yes it was, he is talking about the one with the single door at the back and the tiny flight deck with the line across the center
Jingles even mentions it has a flight deck when he says it has no Helicopters (and he isnt wrong)
The Gearing DOSNT have helicopters or a hanger though, it has ASW drones and a small storage area
I dont think they are modled in game, so it might as well be useless in this situation
@@TonySpike if it was modelled, could they have contributed to finding the charlies? with the level of detail the devs put in, I auto assumed that it was possible to deploy and jingles just jingled
about the ASW mission, use the sonobuyo on your helos, you didnt used any ! would have saved you and detected a lot sooner, also the helos have the MAD, which comes out at 20ft while moving automatically, set up a track like pattern above any anomaly and you're good. dipping sonar wont be available, as it was post 80's and the game timeline stop right there.
Dipping sonar IS avaliable in game though, the Soviet Union uses it
He focused most of the time with the dipping sonar which the Seasprite doesn't have, they only have sonobuoys and MAD, very different from most Asw European helicopters. Sonobuoys and MAD made the helicopter more efficient in ASW since they can hunt while moving.
10:27 the thing is, the FRAM Gearings were rebuilt with emphasis on ASW, evident with gear like the ASROC box launcher amidships, two triple torpedo launchers in front of the superstructure where turret 2 originally was and a hangar which only can accomodate a QH-50 ASW drone
They were but it was ASW for use against diesel electric subs not newer nuclear and albacore style hull subs.
Purpose built OHP and Knox class were vastly superior ASW ships than FRAM upgraded Gearings which were a stop gap to replace the too slow Destroyer Escorts the USN still had.
I loved Jane's Fleet Command. Played a lot of it. This seems like a great modern update of that.
Retired submariner; it always amazes me how much information about the “silent service” is out there. Also, MK-48 is good, but the ADCAP is better.
o7 fellow bubblehead
I absolutely loved this video... I came here because I heard this game launched and it is right up my alley. I found this video, and it helped me so much. I found it more helpful than some of the other videos due to its longer length and your more laid back play-as-you-go style. I appreciate that, because I believe this game has no tutorial. So I rewound your other video on submarine gameplay several times watching you nonchalantly launch at torpedo at the enemy.
I also appreciate you anecdotal (yet important as they are valid) stories of your time serving. Brings a great light, understanding, and relatability to the gameplay, shedding a light on the expert game development, as well as the accuracy to historical context, as you have made aware.
I will subscribe, and I hope you can make a series of "soft tutorials" on the game in the future.
Thank you!!!
More please! I love how knowledgeable you are in the naval arena, and it's so awesome hearing your decisions with that knowledge base
_"...a guy on the back with an SA-2 on his shoulder..."_ - Wow! Strong guy!!
I love your knowledge and narration on the video. I love when you make sea power videos. I hope to see more. The game is so fun to watch. Specially when the person playing actually knows about the military vessels.
Old 360 Pacific Harpoon player here. Always tickled when a new naval game comes out.
Wow, the USS Estocin was the ship my dad served on. It's awesome to see it in a game
Dad served on a Spruance class DD when I showed him the game, he said he's going to get the game and really want to wreck Russian ships in the game.
Yes, Jingles, this is correct. We submariners only seriously worry about other submarines. Surface vessels are treated more like obstacles than opponents. That was my experience in the 90s, anyway.
I actually played a few dozen hours of Cold Waters thanks to Jingles, and immediately got excited flashbacks when he switched to the submarine scenario
Wow... Microprose, now that's a name I've not seen in a long time. Grest Vid Jingles! Wishlisted
so looking forward to this! Remembers me of the good old days with Silent Service, Red Storm Rising...
I actually like that you failed to defend your ships a few times and didn't reattempt the first mission since you would know what you'd be facing. There is more to learn from failure and you describe it perfectly. This is amazing content so I subbed immediately!
Once your Fox's missiles were out you should have put her into an ASMD course, essentially a 60 degree angle from your aft to the incoming missile. You are sailing out of your chaff and limiting its usefulness by sailing in an angle toward the incoming ASM threat. Another point of an ASMD course is to allow your CIWS a proper angle to fire which in the case of the fox looked like it wasn't even able to fire a single shot from the CIWS.
This is such a treat! I watch your cold waters videos probably every year, so its very nice that you found a similar game!
I loved your Cold Waters videos and am thrilled you have access to this game. I’ve had this on my wishlist for a long time. I can’t wait but your videos will help. Thank you!
"A guy with a SA-2 on his shoulder" That's a big guy! Great video!
Been playing UBOAT a bunch, and I've gotten an itch for modern-era ship warfare after all the WW2 stuff. This is perfect
So glad to see you play this game Jingles! I have been watching your videos for 10+ years, and can’t wait to see the new content you’ll be putting out.
I could listen to you talk about this kind of stuff all day. Great video!
I remember the first time Jingles uploaded a Cold Waters video (I think it was the one with the Kuznetsov class as the thumbnail). How time flies
Probably one of your best videos in ages, and close to harkening back to Cold Waters, as you said. BUT! I can't remember the last time I heard you give so many personal memories and activities you had witnessed. Wonderful Video!
“I signed the checks” you got a hearty chuckle from me.
Thank you for your service Jingles!
I've DONE my waiting! 12 years of it!
The first time I learnt about thermal layers underwater and how to utilise them in sub to sub combat was from Subwar 2050 published by, you guessed it, Microprose. I still have the manual from when manuals were novels you had to finish before playing. I’m so happy this mythical publisher is back to delight and educate a new generation of gamers.
I did not expect this game and commentary to be this interesting. I'm hooked
I hope you do a series on this game, I have waited for something like this since Harpoon 2 in early 90s.
I really like how you talk about history while playing please keep it up
Hey, Jingles, just an FYI from my active-duty days, ESTOCIN is pronounced ES-Toe-Sin.
And the OHP class were also known as "torpedo chasers". 😉
And yes, Jingles! The USS KIDD (DDG-993) was there in 1987 for tanker escort service! I was stationed on the bridge when the tanker MV Bridgeton struck a mine.
But we didn't lose any ships ... 😄
Fun Fact: Gearing-class DDs actually had drones in the 60's! They could carry torpedoes and were for hunting submarines. Didn't last long in service.
DASH- “Drone Anti Submarine Helicopter”. Friend of mine was a DASH controller. He told me that one time they sent out their DASH, and when he tried to turn it around and bring it home, it ignored him and flew on until it ran out of fuel.
@@MrNatWhilk one of the problems I was told about was after dropping a torpedo, the whole thing was thrown off balance because you had the weight of the second torpedo. They have one on the USS Orlock which is being restored and moving from Lake Charles, La to somewhere in Florida.
Not a game I'd personally play, but would happily watch you play it and explain all the nuances of naval warfare
"Guy on the back with an SA2 on his shoulder" Geez poor guy!!! Plus now I know why those fast attack craft sank 🙂 ! (Sorry Jingles couldn't resist!)
So glad to see a video by you on this!
If you give the order Weapons Free, the ships can use their 20mm CWIS to intercept the missiles on final. Could've saved Fox a lot of grief.
"Not sure what it was - WAS."
That's easy Jingles, it's now Iran's first submarine. XD
Mr. Jingles, I know the Cold Waters videos were not particularly popular, but I adored them for some reason. So this looks fantastic!
Well I definitely wasn't expecting the Vincennes and Aardvarks in todays Jingles video.
Awesome. Thank you for showing us Sea Power, love that sort of game, will definitely get it!
Thanks, jingles. I've been waiting for this game forever. Imagine my happiness when I see this video title.
I have been waiting for you to post this video since
JINGLES, HOLY MOLY MATE I HAVENT SEEN YOU SINCE WORLD OF TANKS 10 YEARS AGO, GOOD SIR I HAVE MISSED YOU
The thought of being on that Alfa in the beginning is terrifying.
Imagine getting shot by a torpedo by an enemy you cannot see, you try to hide and it finds you, you try to run and it catches you. It takes out your ability to manoeuvre and now you’re stuck under the water in a sinking boat with no way to get back to the air. Pure claustrophobic dread.
Watching this bring out with his real-world naval experience and old stories is great content. More please. Just wait till they add the RN and a Falklands Campaign.
I've been looking forward to this game for so long now, i cant wait! great video Jingles :D thanks for the preview.
Thanks for this. I couldn't make it past 4 minutes of the Montana not shooting in your GOT video, so this was a nice surprise.
Yeah jingles I heard the check signing part is very in depth and complicated in this game. You have such a HUGE advantage in that part of the game. thanks for the video
I'd love to see more of this from you! Can't wait to get my hands on it in November!
Thank you for blessing us with a Sunday video, Jingles!
Howdy Jingles! My name is Mack McHale (yes, I know...American 1960's TV show "McHale's Navy"} And yes, I am a Retired US Navy CPO and I caught a ton of shit about that. I one told Rear Admiral Kelso when I was attached to Fleet Combat training Center at Dam Neck, Virginia in the early 80's; "That it was indeed MY navy, please don't scratch the paint." He laughed and put me on his staff for a while. I digress, I was once a "Screaming Seaman" Operations Specialist (radar/ASW type aboard USS Sterett CG 31 and also spent time on her sister USS England CG 30, who was moored to our port side. After watching your introductory presentation of Sea Power and your abysmal waste of USS Fox (funny though it was), I reflect on how we were equipped with the infamous SQL 17 "Helen Keller" sonar. A proud Raytheon/Dogshit International piece of grey painted crap. The only benefit to our Belknap was our LAMPS 2 helo. This little honey not only could drop sonobuoys and the occasional torpedo but most importantly was the MAD boom that trails behind it. I'm sure that you have recorded many "MADMAN" callouts as Ivan tried to be sneaky. So, does the game go into detail; of buoy drops and MAD contacts? I'm 65 and even more crap than you! Please keep up the amusing screw up and stories of your sea time. Fair winds and seas!
Yeah, it does all of that. I'm just crap. I've since replayed that scenario and won it without any losses. Replay coming soon to UA-cam.
Thank you Jingles for this bonus video and a look at an interesting game.
Great Video! for me, its your personal stories that help bring it to life!
Thanks to Jingles for sharing this Sea Power preview. This is one game I just might like playing!
Sunday suprise video...best kind of video!
"DON'T TOUCH THE BOATS." -Habitual Line Crosser