Take it from a DIY’er that does his research.. this is the BEST explanation of the differences on UA-cam. So many different names for tools and finishes, very few videos lay out side by side comparisons with working time/color/ durability etc. just fantastic
Great basic information in this video. Keyword, "Basic" Oil base has more depth to it. Water base lays flat on a floor. Lesser brand of water base do look plasticy. Higher end waters and sealers do not. He mentioned that water based polys tend to have about 32% solids in them. Where some oils are in the 40% range of solids. There are now waters made that have 40% solids. Oil base needs to be abraded between each coat. Water base need's only one of the coats to be abraded. Water is harder then oil. If a floor is going to have a stain applied first most professionals will opt for water over stain. There is no one poly product out there for every job. Each job is different and needs to be addressed as such when it comes to choosing which finish to apply.
About to do floors for whole house. After researching it seems to be a no brainer. Water based poly without stain all the way baby. Edit:finished and got a result but if I had my time again would just go with the click together stuff. The only negative it being less hard wearing. The labour, clearing out the house and uncertainty of end result make sanding and poly a daunting option. quality of the click together stuff seems to have improved over the years.
@@MS-hs1ew in Oz have Cabot's water based poly in matt satin or gloss. Ended up doing 3coats and about 350US of poly for the whole house. Think US and Oz don't share many paint products though.
Hello, I would like you to help me, if I buffer my floors with 150 grit sandpaper and then wash them with a machine, and put 1-2 coats of base oil (RUST-OLEUM 130031 Varathane Gallon Gloss Oil Base) or some similar product, do you think what would be good? My floors are a bit ugly...
I am having my hardwoods refinished because of the yellow/orange look they have now. (They were refinished years ago with not stain and just poly) My hardwood floor guy only likes to use oil based poly. My hardwoods are red oak. I want just a neutral medium brown. What stain could I used to have them not look orange/yellow again after they are polyed ? I was going to use a mixture of 50% classics grey and 50% special walnut, or just the special walnut alone. My concern is what color will they end up after the poly is applied on top of these stains? Help!
@@lisagrieb8836 with a darker stain unless you have an ungodly number of coats or it is 20 years from now the ambering shouldn’t be insane. However, stay away from the lighter colors if possible if applying oil based poly.
You need another floor guy who can do water base finish. Make sure he uses the 2 components one. A professional hardwood guys should know and be able to handles water based finish
Great video - thanks so much! We are thorn which way to go: oil or water. In our case, there won't be any stain, but a rather natural finish oak color. Would "yellowing" be true also for this floor over time with oil-based poly or because of light wood color it won't matter? Another area not covered in your video is the frequency of having to redo the floors - will oil-based last much longer - e.g 7-8 years vs 4-5 yrs with water-based? What strikes me is that you used water-based in gyms meaning so much foot traffic - how long do they last? Saw that Bona traffic HD water-based finish is getting god results, but not sure as I am not in the flooring business. Thanks for any advise you may offer.
It all comes down to maintenance. Both gyms with water and oil last long. If you don’t clean your floors they won’t last. If you use only socks you might never have to redo the floors. The independent tests show all 2 part water finishes are the same durability on Taber, same goes for oil and 1 parts. Brand really makes like 3% difference which is the normal deviation. Also amount of coats and cost thickness plays a part in durability and length between recoats. Most gyms are reflated yearly for both water and oil. Sorry for the late reply.
That is definitely an aspect, I would highly suggest a full face mask for poly,water and Glitsa. Just because they say water based is greenguard… I wouldn’t trust it, when I forgot my mask, that made me feel I’ll just as much as oil. Masks for any chemicals should be the standard.
water base was much more durable on your floors. I like working with varathane water base poly , they have one brand that is very thick and requires only 2 coats . The only thing is it's $72 a gallon but well worth it.
Great video thanks so much for the info. Also I don't know who needs this, but I'd like to bless anyone since you've blessed me. Jesus christ loves you and gave his life on the cross so we could live and have a relationship with god. All we have to do is recognize our sins and ask for forgiveness and believe in jesus christ his son.
Salvation from hell is a FREE GIFT that one must simply receive through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. That is the truth. Do not ignore Jesus Christ and spend eternity in hell. The salvation of your soul is fully paid for with the sinless blood of Jesus Christ on the cross. He lived a sinless life in your place because you cannot. Then he went to the cross and shed his blood, died and was buried, and rose to life 3 days later to pay the full penalty for all your sins past, present, and future. Believe this in your heart and call upon Jesus Christ with your mouth and ask him to save your soul from hell RIGHT NOW! Not later or tomorrow but NOW! Tomorrow is not promised. Get saved NOW! It's that simple. Do not stumble by unbelief. It truly is by believing this gospel ( good news) message that one is made righteous, sinless, before God. Your soul is SEALED by the Holy Spirit the moment you believe the gospel and call on Jesus to save you. God's perfect righteousness is imputed to your soul, and your lifetime of sins are imputed to Jesus Christ. This is the truth!! A swap is instantly made and it's all by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Salvation is instantaneous and permanent! Go on youtube and watch a 7 minute video called: "How to know for certain your going to heaven- Dr Hank Linstrom" And pray along in the end and get saved right this moment!!!!
You’re totally wrong about the durability. Unless you work with dirt cheap water base. You don’t like to work with water base finish because it requires a truly professional to handle the finish.
Im not sure what you are talking about. In my water based videos it says water based is durable. I have installed over 200 gym floors. Both oil and water work. Like my videos say. Oil: Amber’s, is nautically a thicker coating and is easy to use. Water: clear, thinner but high grade durability and can be harder to use for non professionals. Sorry if there is any confusion about that. I have done thousands oilfield houses in water over the years and 50 gyms in water. Water is fantastic if you can use it right and get good spread rates!!!!
Interesting assumption. I have been featured in the NWFA magazine twice, owned a gym floor company, owned a residential company with 6 crews and now own 2 flooring distributions. I’d assume most my customers would agree with me on pretty much all these points. In fact most are just straight facts from the websites you would go on. What exactly do you not agree with?
@@woodflooringsupply9718 lol I was only kidding around I know you're a beast everybody else was kissing your butt I figured I'd be different and break your balls a little bit good video by the way
Take it from a DIY’er that does his research.. this is the BEST explanation of the differences on UA-cam. So many different names for tools and finishes, very few videos lay out side by side comparisons with working time/color/ durability etc. just fantastic
Great basic information in this video. Keyword, "Basic" Oil base has more depth to it. Water base lays flat on a floor. Lesser brand of water base do look plasticy. Higher end waters and sealers do not. He mentioned that water based polys tend to have about 32% solids in them. Where some oils are in the 40% range of solids. There are now waters made that have 40% solids. Oil base needs to be abraded between each coat. Water base need's only one of the coats to be abraded. Water is harder then oil. If a floor is going to have a stain applied first most professionals will opt for water over stain. There is no one poly product out there for every job. Each job is different and needs to be addressed as such when it comes to choosing which finish to apply.
Thanks for all the good information.
Yup, in the off season I’ll add more videos up.
About to do floors for whole house. After researching it seems to be a no brainer. Water based poly without stain all the way baby. Edit:finished and got a result but if I had my time again would just go with the click together stuff. The only negative it being less hard wearing. The labour, clearing out the house and uncertainty of end result make sanding and poly a daunting option. quality of the click together stuff seems to have improved over the years.
Hey what poly did u end up using? Bona is out of my budget, but polywhey 2500 and zar ultra max seemed to have good reviews
@@MS-hs1ew in Oz have Cabot's water based poly in matt satin or gloss. Ended up doing 3coats and about 350US of poly for the whole house. Think US and Oz don't share many paint products though.
Hello, I would like you to help me, if I buffer my floors with 150 grit sandpaper and then wash them with a machine, and put 1-2 coats of base oil (RUST-OLEUM 130031 Varathane Gallon Gloss Oil Base) or some similar product, do you think what would be good? My floors are a bit ugly...
I am having my hardwoods refinished because of the yellow/orange look they have now. (They were refinished years ago with not stain and just poly) My hardwood floor guy only likes to use oil based poly. My hardwoods are red oak. I want just a neutral medium brown. What stain could I used to have them not look orange/yellow again after they are polyed ? I was going to use a mixture of 50% classics grey and 50% special walnut, or just the special walnut alone. My concern is what color will they end up after the poly is applied on top of these stains? Help!
Lisa Grieb, you can use Weathered Oak Stain maybe that will give you the look you are looking for
Also Nutmeg and Fruit wood
Thank you. I will look into your suggestions
@@lisagrieb8836 with a darker stain unless you have an ungodly number of coats or it is 20 years from now the ambering shouldn’t be insane. However, stay away from the lighter colors if possible if applying oil based poly.
You need another floor guy who can do water base finish. Make sure he uses the 2 components one. A professional hardwood guys should know and be able to handles water based finish
Very helpful
Thank you
Great video - thanks so much! We are thorn which way to go: oil or water. In our case, there won't be any stain, but a rather natural finish oak color. Would "yellowing" be true also for this floor over time with oil-based poly or because of light wood color it won't matter? Another area not covered in your video is the frequency of having to redo the floors - will oil-based last much longer - e.g 7-8 years vs 4-5 yrs with water-based? What strikes me is that you used water-based in gyms meaning so much foot traffic - how long do they last? Saw that Bona traffic HD water-based finish is getting god results, but not sure as I am not in the flooring business. Thanks for any advise you may offer.
It all comes down to maintenance. Both gyms with water and oil last long. If you don’t clean your floors they won’t last. If you use only socks you might never have to redo the floors. The independent tests show all 2 part water finishes are the same durability on Taber, same goes for oil and 1 parts. Brand really makes like 3% difference which is the normal deviation. Also amount of coats and cost thickness plays a part in durability and length between recoats. Most gyms are reflated yearly for both water and oil.
Sorry for the late reply.
@@woodflooringsupply9718 Thank you! We did go with Bona water based and it has been amazing so far - we did it 4 months ago. Amazing product.
So which is more durable, a single part acrylic or a oil modifed polyurethane?
That depends on which oil base and which one component you are comparing.
What about safe? I always use water based poly because chemicals aren’t harsh like oil based poly. It’s safer for peoples health and safe for pets
That is definitely an aspect, I would highly suggest a full face mask for poly,water and Glitsa. Just because they say water based is greenguard… I wouldn’t trust it, when I forgot my mask, that made me feel I’ll just as much as oil. Masks for any chemicals should be the standard.
@@woodflooringsupply9718 I mean don’t you think water based poly would always be safer for the people that live in the home? Vs oil based poly?
I’m not a chemist. But maybe before cure time is done. But once it’s cured, it shouldn’t be offgassing.
water base was much more durable on your floors. I like working with varathane water base poly , they have one brand that is very thick and requires only 2 coats . The only thing is it's $72 a gallon but well worth it.
Great video thanks so much for the info. Also I don't know who needs this, but I'd like to bless anyone since you've blessed me. Jesus christ loves you and gave his life on the cross so we could live and have a relationship with god. All we have to do is recognize our sins and ask for forgiveness and believe in jesus christ his son.
Salvation from hell is a FREE GIFT that one must simply receive through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. That is the truth. Do not ignore Jesus Christ and spend eternity in hell. The salvation of your soul is fully paid for with the sinless blood of Jesus Christ on the cross. He lived a sinless life in your place because you cannot. Then he went to the cross and shed his blood, died and was buried, and rose to life 3 days later to pay the full penalty for all your sins past, present, and future. Believe this in your heart and call upon Jesus Christ with your mouth and ask him to save your soul from hell RIGHT NOW! Not later or tomorrow but NOW! Tomorrow is not promised. Get saved NOW! It's that simple. Do not stumble by unbelief. It truly is by believing this gospel ( good news) message that one is made righteous, sinless, before God. Your soul is SEALED by the Holy Spirit the moment you believe the gospel and call on Jesus to save you. God's perfect righteousness is imputed to your soul, and your lifetime of sins are imputed to Jesus Christ. This is the truth!! A swap is instantly made and it's all by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Salvation is instantaneous and permanent!
Go on youtube and watch a 7 minute video called:
"How to know for certain your going to heaven- Dr Hank Linstrom"
And pray along in the end and get saved right this moment!!!!
You’re totally wrong about the durability. Unless you work with dirt cheap water base. You don’t like to work with water base finish because it requires a truly professional to handle the finish.
Im not sure what you are talking about. In my water based videos it says water based is durable. I have installed over 200 gym floors. Both oil and water work. Like my videos say. Oil: Amber’s, is nautically a thicker coating and is easy to use. Water: clear, thinner but high grade durability and can be harder to use for non professionals. Sorry if there is any confusion about that.
I have done thousands oilfield houses in water over the years and 50 gyms in water. Water is fantastic if you can use it right and get good spread rates!!!!
Sorry buddy but I think you're wrong when your information you might want to do some research or learn how to do floors you must be a d y i guy
Interesting assumption. I have been featured in the NWFA magazine twice, owned a gym floor company, owned a residential company with 6 crews and now own 2 flooring distributions. I’d assume most my customers would agree with me on pretty much all these points. In fact most are just straight facts from the websites you would go on.
What exactly do you not agree with?
@@woodflooringsupply9718 lol I was only kidding around I know you're a beast everybody else was kissing your butt I figured I'd be different and break your balls a little bit good video by the way
@@woodflooringsupply9718 He is just a troll, thanks for the great info.
His information was spot on you should not leave stupid comments like this ! Great video thankyou