Thanks! I’ll definitely make more videos, especially because now I have an Asus Z790 motherboard (with a PS/2 port) + a 14600KF Intel CPU, these will show up here soon ... if not in my next, then in my next-next video for sure. I also have a Creative Sound Blaster 16 card + a "Wave Blaster" add-on which is a MIDI-synthesizer that back in 1993 was 250$ (550$ in today's money) and I can't decide what to do next.
@@ages2001 Right now I have some newer socket 1700 stuff: Asus Prime Z790, i5-14600KF, a FSP 1000W PSU, 32GB DDR5 5600 + 1.5KG cooler and 35$ all white + glass case. These are not mine but they will be in my custody for a while. :)
@@ages2001 I’ll be doing an unboxing session tomorrow and am curious if there’s any noticeable difference between a budget H610 chipset and the high-end Z790 chipset. I don’t think the SATA implementation varies much across this Intel lineup, but with your AM5 motherboard, that’s a different story.
This approach mirrors how I do my own VMs lately. I’ve been living off a laptop a lot more recently so I’ve become acutely aware of processes eating cycles and consuming power. A lot of these old programs don’t benefit from a balls-to-the wall VM and all it does is eat cycles emulating NOPs (yes I know about sleep.exe). A nice 486dx66 does the job nicely in a lot of cases.
Yep, cranking up the VM specs can sometimes lead to diminishing returns, especially for older software. It’s like giving a Formula 1 car to someone driving in a school zone... :) Anyway for heavy Windows 98 gaming I will stick with real hardware for how long it will be possible.
I've had a good experience so far with the Creative/Ensoniq WDM drivers included with Windows Millennium. Essentially, any PCI Sound Blaster released before the SB Live series should work without requiring any special configuration-you simply get sound in DOS games. However, don’t expect broad compatibility. A while back, I tested an Aureal Vortex 8820 in real DOS and managed to get sound in quite a few games (though not all) using an i7-4790 setup with an Intel H81 motherboard. These Aureal cards are the only ones with so fancy drivers that can actually do something on modern hardware. And don't forget about SBEMU: ua-cam.com/video/MI_cWrw7y_8/v-deo.html
Accuracy in emulation always came at a high CPU requirement cost. I only use DosBox-X/Stagging/86Box for DOS games. I don't see a point in emulating Windows 95/98 games and later while the vast majority of them can run perfectly on modern systems with just a few tweaks or community patches.
I’m usually not into emulation, but I like to run Windows 98 on real hardware on my main PC-not because it’s very practical, but for the experience. When I want to take a break and enjoy a Windows 98 session and playing some games, I don't want to be constantly distracted by emails and Facebook, and others... So rebooting into Windows 98 helps me disconnect.
@joshwa1234 Yes, is totally possible, as I'm typing this I'm running Windows 98 on a Z790 motherboard and Intel i5 14600KF. PCI slots are rare but if you look carefully you can find motherboards with such slots on both socket 1700 and AM5 platforms. Don't know about new motherboards with socket 1851 released like 2 weeks ago.
Yes, there are! Check this out: ua-cam.com/video/jflb_6Bpv-o/v-deo.html No support or divers are needed, these converters are doing the job at the protocol level since PCI-E was created to be backward compatible. When PCI-E was launched in 2004 no operating system on the market - 98/ME, 2K or XP had support for it but hardware worked out of the box. The same thing for AGP which is based on the PCI bus. AGP cards can act as a PCI devices if advanced AGP features are not activated by the driver.
I just have a sealed i5-14600K + a Z790 motherboard + 32GB DDR5 sitting on my desk as I type this message. I will soon check both PCem and 86box on this configuration.
I’m familiar with both. 86Box is essentially the continuation of PCem after Sarah Walker stepped away from the project in 2021. The general consensus is that 86Box is just as slow as PCem but better, thanks to three additional years of small improvements. I chose to use PCem because it’s more widely recognized, especially after @LinusTechTips featured it in a video with millions of views.
The problem was PCem or maybe next with 86Box has hugh problems with their clock speeds. I don't know how the emulator works, but I think it's hogging my host processor. For example, I have PC with Core i7 4790 and run PCem for Windows 95 with Pentium 75. I know it's slow, because it old processor and I remember to use it real hardware at that time and wait for long boot process..... but why emulating It's like my Processor hogging my host machine to 100% for emulating Pentium 75??? Install Windows 95, runs slow for apps Installing Windows 98, hiccups Installing Windows ME, slow mode Installing 2000/XP, don't you dare to try it. (Just use Virtual Box)
@itstheweirdguy Yeah I knew it's an old processor. But at least VMWare or even VirtualBox could run this just fine with caveats (But is not to filling 100% processor 3.6 GHz for emulating 75Hz)
86Box is definitely a step up since it's a continuation of PCem, building on its foundation with active development. Anyway the core experience isn't that different, at least at this moment in time...
Half-Life 2 - Even if you perfectly emulate Windows 98, you still can't play it. At least not legally, since Valve retroactively changed the system requirements when they dropped support for Windows 98.
You can play the original Half Life 2 without Steam and without cracking the game - you just need RevEmu - that it will fake a Steam connection. Just search this phrase and you'll land on a thread from vogons...: "I was recently delighted to learn that, contrary to popular belief, it is possible to install an old boxed copy of Half-Life 2 and play it without using Steam."
@@seanmeek3805 As I recall, Half-Life 2 was the first game from Valve that REQUIRES you to create a Steam account in order to register the game. Steam no longer works under Windows 98. While there's a WIn98 compatible version of Steam on the disc, I believe that when it connects to Valve's servers, it will be told that it needs to update, but the update won't run on that system. So you're left with no way to create an account and register that copy of the game. You could run a modern version of Steam under Windows 11, but you wouldn't be able to use it to register a Windows 98 version of Half-Life 2 running in an emulator. The only way to get it working is to use a crack, or a Steam emulator to bypass the protection, which is technically illegal in most of the world due to various copyright laws against bypassing copy protection. Interestingly, you also can't legally play a used copy of Half-Life 2 either. Why? Because it will have already been registered to someone else's account, and even if you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you own a real, physical copy of the game, Valve won't honor it, and will force you to re-buy a digital copy in order to play it. So the only way to play a used copy is to use a crack, or a Steam emulator, which are illegal. Of course, you're not going to get in trouble for doing this, as nobody is going to know, but thanks to Valve using Steam as online DRM, and governments bowing down to the copyright industry, you ARE breaking the law.
Very good video and I hope you can do more videos about installing classic versions of Windows on your Modern Hardware!!!
Thanks! I’ll definitely make more videos, especially because now I have an Asus Z790 motherboard (with a PS/2 port) + a 14600KF Intel CPU, these will show up here soon ... if not in my next, then in my next-next video for sure. I also have a Creative Sound Blaster 16 card + a "Wave Blaster" add-on which is a MIDI-synthesizer that back in 1993 was 250$ (550$ in today's money) and I can't decide what to do next.
Hi Omores! very nice video
Hey, thanks! I have new hardware, there will be more videos soon...
@@O_mores I hope it's AM5 motherboard lmao
@@ages2001 Right now I have some newer socket 1700 stuff: Asus Prime Z790, i5-14600KF, a FSP 1000W PSU, 32GB DDR5 5600 + 1.5KG cooler and 35$ all white + glass case. These are not mine but they will be in my custody for a while. :)
@@O_mores maybe you can solve win9x SATA boot problem with those hardware
@@ages2001 I’ll be doing an unboxing session tomorrow and am curious if there’s any noticeable difference between a budget H610 chipset and the high-end Z790 chipset. I don’t think the SATA implementation varies much across this Intel lineup, but with your AM5 motherboard, that’s a different story.
This approach mirrors how I do my own VMs lately. I’ve been living off a laptop a lot more recently so I’ve become acutely aware of processes eating cycles and consuming power. A lot of these old programs don’t benefit from a balls-to-the wall VM and all it does is eat cycles emulating NOPs (yes I know about sleep.exe). A nice 486dx66 does the job nicely in a lot of cases.
Yep, cranking up the VM specs can sometimes lead to diminishing returns, especially for older software. It’s like giving a Formula 1 car to someone driving in a school zone... :) Anyway for heavy Windows 98 gaming I will stick with real hardware for how long it will be possible.
Nice video! Which sound card do you advise at win98 and winme for dos sound in real hardware on intel 13th gen?
I've had a good experience so far with the Creative/Ensoniq WDM drivers included with Windows Millennium. Essentially, any PCI Sound Blaster released before the SB Live series should work without requiring any special configuration-you simply get sound in DOS games. However, don’t expect broad compatibility.
A while back, I tested an Aureal Vortex 8820 in real DOS and managed to get sound in quite a few games (though not all) using an i7-4790 setup with an Intel H81 motherboard. These Aureal cards are the only ones with so fancy drivers that can actually do something on modern hardware. And don't forget about SBEMU: ua-cam.com/video/MI_cWrw7y_8/v-deo.html
Accuracy in emulation always came at a high CPU requirement cost. I only use DosBox-X/Stagging/86Box for DOS games. I don't see a point in emulating Windows 95/98 games and later while the vast majority of them can run perfectly on modern systems with just a few tweaks or community patches.
I’m usually not into emulation, but I like to run Windows 98 on real hardware on my main PC-not because it’s very practical, but for the experience. When I want to take a break and enjoy a Windows 98 session and playing some games, I don't want to be constantly distracted by emails and Facebook, and others... So rebooting into Windows 98 helps me disconnect.
I didn't know it was possible to run Win98 on such modern hardware. I'm also surprised modern boards have PCI? @@O_mores
86Box is an emulator based on PCem 😂
@@webfischi And? PCem is dead and has stopped development a while ago. 86Box is an active fork that keeps improving upon it.
@joshwa1234 Yes, is totally possible, as I'm typing this I'm running Windows 98 on a Z790 motherboard and Intel i5 14600KF. PCI slots are rare but if you look carefully you can find motherboards with such slots on both socket 1700 and AM5 platforms. Don't know about new motherboards with socket 1851 released like 2 weeks ago.
Are there any PCI-E -> PCI and/or AGP converters that actually support Win98?
Yes, there are! Check this out: ua-cam.com/video/jflb_6Bpv-o/v-deo.html No support or divers are needed, these converters are doing the job at the protocol level since PCI-E was created to be backward compatible. When PCI-E was launched in 2004 no operating system on the market - 98/ME, 2K or XP had support for it but hardware worked out of the box. The same thing for AGP which is based on the PCI bus. AGP cards can act as a PCI devices if advanced AGP features are not activated by the driver.
i can run quake 2-1 and unreal 1+2 fine in a pcem fork. audio is choppy but it's mostly fixed after some updates. x86box does well for me to run such.
For Pentium II you'll need a 12700k or similar. I got 86Box working with a Pentium II 233
I just have a sealed i5-14600K + a Z790 motherboard + 32GB DDR5 sitting on my desk as I type this message. I will soon check both PCem and 86box on this configuration.
You might have better luck with 86Box over PCem.
I’m familiar with both. 86Box is essentially the continuation of PCem after Sarah Walker stepped away from the project in 2021. The general consensus is that 86Box is just as slow as PCem but better, thanks to three additional years of small improvements. I chose to use PCem because it’s more widely recognized, especially after @LinusTechTips featured it in a video with millions of views.
The problem was PCem or maybe next with 86Box has hugh problems with their clock speeds.
I don't know how the emulator works, but I think it's hogging my host processor.
For example, I have PC with Core i7 4790 and run PCem for Windows 95 with Pentium 75.
I know it's slow, because it old processor and I remember to use it real hardware at that time and wait for long boot process..... but why emulating It's like my Processor hogging my host machine to 100% for emulating Pentium 75???
Install Windows 95, runs slow for apps
Installing Windows 98, hiccups
Installing Windows ME, slow mode
Installing 2000/XP, don't you dare to try it. (Just use Virtual Box)
I have a Ryzen 7 5700x and it does pretty good. I'd say a i7 4790 isn't really fast enough to have too much of a good time.
@itstheweirdguy Yeah I knew it's an old processor.
But at least VMWare or even VirtualBox could run this just fine with caveats (But is not to filling 100% processor 3.6 GHz for emulating 75Hz)
Grate!
86Box is so much better and under development still.
86Box is definitely a step up since it's a continuation of PCem, building on its foundation with active development. Anyway the core experience isn't that different, at least at this moment in time...
Half-Life 2 - Even if you perfectly emulate Windows 98, you still can't play it. At least not legally, since Valve retroactively changed the system requirements when they dropped support for Windows 98.
You can play the original Half Life 2 without Steam and without cracking the game - you just need RevEmu - that it will fake a Steam connection. Just search this phrase and you'll land on a thread from vogons...: "I was recently delighted to learn that, contrary to popular belief, it is possible to install an old boxed copy of Half-Life 2 and play it without using Steam."
why would that be illegal?
@@seanmeek3805 As I recall, Half-Life 2 was the first game from Valve that REQUIRES you to create a Steam account in order to register the game. Steam no longer works under Windows 98. While there's a WIn98 compatible version of Steam on the disc, I believe that when it connects to Valve's servers, it will be told that it needs to update, but the update won't run on that system.
So you're left with no way to create an account and register that copy of the game. You could run a modern version of Steam under Windows 11, but you wouldn't be able to use it to register a Windows 98 version of Half-Life 2 running in an emulator. The only way to get it working is to use a crack, or a Steam emulator to bypass the protection, which is technically illegal in most of the world due to various copyright laws against bypassing copy protection.
Interestingly, you also can't legally play a used copy of Half-Life 2 either. Why? Because it will have already been registered to someone else's account, and even if you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you own a real, physical copy of the game, Valve won't honor it, and will force you to re-buy a digital copy in order to play it. So the only way to play a used copy is to use a crack, or a Steam emulator, which are illegal.
Of course, you're not going to get in trouble for doing this, as nobody is going to know, but thanks to Valve using Steam as online DRM, and governments bowing down to the copyright industry, you ARE breaking the law.
pog
i did tested on 6Ghz i7 14700k here ua-cam.com/video/SB6AOoiS9RA/v-deo.html
Nice! But I see QEMU running there and not PCem, still very nice performance!