Hori Alpha v Nacon Daija Duel
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2023
- Join ShadowFury as he goes over the points of each stick to compare features and choose a winner in the fightstick duel!
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Such a great presentation and the place its filmed on. Superb stuff!
Great video, bro. Lots of helpful information for somebody trying to choose between these two sticks. Keep it up
This is a great review! Thank you!
Been watching y'alls videos for a while now and barely got around to subscribing and commenting, love the information and production value, keep doing what you do!
Man I can't wait to see your Daija vs Victrix Pro FS vid seeing as how you gave the Daija a 4.8 and the Victrix a 4.9. It's going to be a great vid.
I love my SF6 Alpha. I printed out some Guile art at office max and did a whole art button and lever swap once I got it, since I already had sanwa parts from a previous stick. It definitely was a conversation piece at my local tourney, and carrying it around with the handles was super easy. It’s a perfect convenience stick.
Glad I saw this comment... how much was the printed out art and what size did you use?????
@@nociel on REALLY nice paper, 11”x17”, it was about $5-7 total. Don’t do the self print since it automatically compresses everything, have the clerks do it. I got like 3 copies too.
@@fluffycowcheese thank you
Nice
Very helpful and informative video. I was on the fence between the two and this swayed me towards the Daija which I went and bought! Subscribed to the channel too. Thanks dude.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you so much for the support.
All personal preference because I love my Hori stick. Buttons are really satisfying to press and the joystick feels great! It’s definitely personal preference thought ❤
Appreciate this man, I was just looking at a PS5 dedicated stick and these are the two I was comparing. I'm going with the Daija because it just looks like a more solid and quality product. Cheers bud
Cheers my friend! Enjoy that new Daija and keep pressing them buttons.
Just got into fight stick I’m glad I ran into to your channel !!!
I appreciate some of the callous you made on both sticks as some were key and I never heard them in other reviews
I've been using the Mayflash F500 elite and while I enjoy it and have used it for 2 years now. That Nacon Daija is the perfect upgrade for me, I really like the sleek design of the shell with playstation logo and the color scheme. Defintely gonna pick one of these up thanks for the review and insight!
Another great video, I didn't realize the alpha had those issues with the wires and stuff. My TE2 had a bunch of loose wires on the buttons and it drove me nuts.
Thanks for all the info. I think I'm going to go with Nacon.
Great video! Wouldn’t mind seeing what you think about the new razor all button controller!
The cable issue for the Daija seems like it could just be remedied with buying a shorter cable.
The production, the knowledge! Subscribed directly
I actually knew about the nacon arcade stick. But it was not being sold in any local stores. The hori however was available in every single game store. Hell, on the official nacoon website, it doesn't ship to APAC region for some reason.
God, I wish I knew about the Daija. I have the SF6 Fighting Stick and I agree the Hayabusa lever is just dirty and the buttons are super loud. I had to spend more money on an Otto V5 kit, Qanba Gravity KS buttons, and an aluminum replacement panel which made it cost way more than the starting price of the Daija. It's late for me to return it but I am definitely getting a Daija for home use.
The hayabusa lever is great with a 2lb spring. The stock spring sucks
Amazing review
i have to get a fight stick now. my thumbs have started to hurt using controllers. like strained and stiff.
I ordered the Hori several hours and after watching this video, I'm going to return the Hori and get the Nacon. I'll most likely swap out the joystick and buttons if I got the Hori. Thanks so much for the excellent review 👍
I'm so glad our video was helpful. Enjoy pressing them buttons.
I tried the Hori fightstick alpha at a convention didnt really like it too much. Im curious to try the nacon, ive been using a panthera since 2020 and it seems the closest to the panthera
I played on the hori at evo. Project L booth had them for you to play their game with. I like the noir layout and its cool how easy it is to get into but i dont like the hori buttons and the lever is ok but i would swap it for a JLF. The Daija looks sweet and its super crispy inside really good design and it comes with sanwa parts so i would imagine that would be the go to stick for most people for the money.
I love the Hori buttons and stick. They are more sensitive and surefire. You know exactly where your stick is going. I also love the clicky sound since I use mechanical keyboard.
It might be a little too sensitive for first time users though. I don't know.
I actually had tried out both the Hori Fight Stick (the regular, not the Street Fighter 6 edition) and Nacon Daija.
I first purchased the Hori over Daija because it was cheaper. While it was a good fight stick, i did agree that the stick was a bit loud when inputting buttons and I didn’t like the button wires getting in the way of the cables. After reseaching the Daija again, I returned the Hori for the Daija and fell in love with the Daija fightstick. It was very easy to use, quiet to use the button, easy to mod, and overall a much more appealing fightstick.
Thank you for the great overview. Could you try out the Daija with the PS3? I would love to know if it supports it too.
I don't believe it works on that since this says only PS4/5 and PC. You might need a converter to play this on the 3.
I'm looking at getting the Tekken 8 edition of the Alpha. I don't imagine the Hayabusa parts will be an issue for me because the last time I had a stick was the Madcatz TE R2 stick in the early '10s and I cannot for the life of me remember the feel of the Sanwa parts. The cable management seems a bit wack though and I'd probably just wrap the cable around the outside of the stick for storage at home. It's a dumb oversight from Hori it seems.
Hori is trash. My sf6 stopped powering on after 8 months
Can you plug in two flight sticks in ps5 and play against each otger
I have a HitBox myself, and i have been thinking about investing to a stick, specially these 2 in mind. Is the Nacon somewhat closer to Razer Panthera than the Hori? I appreciate quality and dont want super loud controller. I love my hitbox, so i would like something close to it, with lever ofc.
I would agree that the Daija is closer to the Razer Panthera than the Hori is. It's always cool to try new things and see the benefits and drawbacks to each controller type. Thanks for the comment and supporting the channel.
how do you like the hit box? I thought about getting the cammy hitbox for the ps5
I have both and I just prefer the Sanwa buttons and stick of the Daija.
Hi, can you access the right-side buttons of the Daija v2? Indeed, the _options_ button of my Daija v1 is broken and I can't fix it because I can't access the shell wherein the side buttons are. In fact, this shell seems to be set with the stick box. Finally, can you adapt a Korean lever easily?
Helllo! There is a panel inside with two screws that you can remove and access the side panel buttons. As far as a Korean lever- as long as it has the Sanwa JLF mounting plate pattern and is collar-less it should be fine. The golden lever seems to be compatible. Otherwise you would need to drill the hole a bit bigger. Hope that helps!
@@ButtonClubFGC Yes it helps. By the way, can you also access the buttons above?
For Tekken 8 I wanted a new stick or an upgrade . And your review and this comparison helped me with deciding what to buy.
And even though I loved my Hori RAP V for Tekken 7, I decided to get the Nacon Daija for Tekken 8.
I started with sanwa parts during Tekken 6/SF IV on a mad catz TE stick and wanted to go back to those buttons.
The Nacon Daija is easily my favorite arcade stick so far because of all the cool modern features. The wrist position took 1-2 days to get used but after a few weeks I just dont wanna put this stick down.
My trusty RAP V got two upgrades aswell, new sanwa buttons in matching red colors to go with the korean lever "New Helpme".
Thanks for your videos that convinced me to go for the Nacon Daija 🙏
We appreciate you, your comments and enthusiasm about fighting games! Happy pressing!
There will probably be more sticks/controllers that will come out in a few months or a year.
Heck yeah can’t wait to see them
Buying mine tomorrow for Tekken 8
All the templates for the other sf6 characters are free to download online, you don’t have to have Luke and Jamie
Is there a good place to buy a nice quality enclosure? I think is a waste of money for the parts you get . Sanwa is standard but it’s very cheap , I would like to have something more premium like a Korean lever are they any stock sticks that come with high end parts? Or is better to make your own
There are many stick enclosures to choose from. Names like For The Win, FoeHammer, and even Eternal Rivals if you’re looking for more of a budget build. Most popular stick companies have the Sanwa JlF and that’s the best stock stick to come with it for the masses. The only stick that comes with a Korean style lever is the Etoki stick and FightStick Asia. I encourage you to do your research and find what’s best for you. Thanks for the comment and support.
Hi I'm currently looking to buy an arcade stick/leverless controller. Im currently playing with an analog using the hori commander octa, do you think i will be more suited with an arcade stick rather than leverless? I'm currently thinking about getting the hori alpha or razer kitsune, what do you think? Is the hori alpha comfortable to use in the lap?
If you use the analog stick I’d suggest the traditional arcade stick style. leverless is great but it’s more of a directional pad/keyboard feel. The hori feels nice on the lap, not too heavy or high profile. Best of luck!
I have the Kitsune & the Nacon.
Something to consider. If you travel a lot the Kitsune is perfect for people who are always on the go.
I'm a truck driver I toss my laptop and Kitsune in a bag and rock out.
I'm bringing the Nacon out on the road for the first time.
Straight up there are benefits both.
Any Qs ask I'll do the best I can to respond. I have the Kitsune, 8-bit do (Xbox version) & now the Nacon.
Something I missed in your review, comparisons is the button layout used. They are mostly the same, but HORI uses a different one. Which layout is more comfortable?
The Hori uses a Noir layout and the Nacon uses a Vewlix layout. The difference is subtle, but still notable. Noir layout has more distance between the stick and buttons, and the buttons have an arched layout. Like a rainbow. The Vewlix has a short distance between stick and buttons and the button layout is 3 straight across and the first buttons of each row are dropped lower. As far as what’s more comfortable, that’s personal preference. One is not inherently better than the other, just a slightly different way of doing the same thing. I hope this was helpful, thank you for the comment and support.
@ButtonClubFGC Thanks for the answer. It's much appreciated!
Great video and nice to see Daija get love 👌🥰 I own the gen1 and I play it here and there but u prefer my madcatz tes+ over it due to it not being as bulky as the Daija.
Hey, are you going to do a Nacon Daija vs Victrix? I was disappointed to learn Victrix lacks what I consider essential features like L3 and R3 buttons.
Sadly no- we have quite the queue of videos already to do and we have most of the information available in detail between the previous videos. Thank you for supporting the channel though!
I think the fact that the Daija can also swap out its artwork, has a detachable cable, more convenient wire management, and a R3/L3 is what locks in my decision entirely.
The cable being a bit tight isnt an issue if you buy smaller cables.
I'm glad our video helped you come to a decision, but I will say this. Both sticks have the L3/R3, and I tried to use another cable for the Daija, and it didn't work. Maybe I need to try a data cable instead, but the average type C did not work. I bought one brand new from Best Buy and tried others and it didn't work. Either way, you're going to be more than happy with your purchase, and I'm glad our video our video got you there. Thanks for the comment, and enjoy pressing them new buttons.
@ButtonClubFGC Good to know on the USB situation! Guess that gives an extra point to the Hori. Thanks for the good content guys, you're helping the FGC more than you know.
Does either of those licensed with xbox version? I want a stick but i cant find anything other than 8bitdo for xbox
There is a Nacon XBox version also.
Hi! I have a question is Nacon Daija compatible with semitsu LS-32? Thank you!
It is, but you’ll have to do a slight bit of modding. The Nacon has two posts to perfectly mount the Sanwa JLF. You’ll just have to file those down and then you should be in business. A friend of mine put a Korean style lever in his and that’s all he had to do. Thank you for the comment and your support. Keep pressing them button’s.
does the daija Nason fight stick work on ps4/pc?
yep!
Take a drink whenever he says “ok?”
Ok!
I just got the Xbox Daija and compared it to the Alpha and, all things equal, think the Alpha's ergonomics are vastly superior, especially for lap play. The Daija doesn't have any surface tapers and is thick/boxy, and it rubs against my forearms. I think it would really shine for desk or a cabinet build, but for just sitting on a chair/couch the Alpha is much more comfortable.
Most japanese arcades have a similar stick and button orientation to the hayabusa. The buttons and stick kinda feel like candy cabs.
good review
Can i use them for any kind of game or only fight games?
these will work with arcade style games, but not for anything like a shooter or something that relies on two thumb sticks to move
@@ButtonClubFGC thank you for your answer👍
What kinda stick head and buttons you switched to?
All that information is in the video.
nice shirt. where can I get one of those?
We had a limited stock of them but when we get our reorder they will be for sale
How do you travel with your Hori? What do you put it in?
I put it in a Split Frame Arcade Stick bag from Arcadeshock.com
Great question, thank you.
Where can I buy the Fighting stick? and how much?
The price and where I bought it is in the un boxing video.
Nacon is like 120 bucks more than the hori in canada ... do u still pick nacon then ?
That’s a great question. In that situation, I would probably choose the Hori. I don’t think the features of the Nacon justify the $120 extra cost. There’s nothing really wrong with the Hori, or any of them for that matter. Either way you’re getting a great product to enjoy for years to come. With the extra $120, you could use that to upgrade the Hori. Thanks for the question and support. I hope you enjoy your new stick.
dosent daija come with a bat top too?
Yes! You can see more about it in detail on its own unboxing video
I bought the Hori SF6 edition cuz of your unboxing. I just ran accross this video. Luckily i just bought it last night. Might have to switch to the Nacon.
I just got the Nacon.
I only did some practice mode in GGS.
It felt good. Can't wait to put some time - time in on it.
Doesn’t the Nancon daija have the body of Razer Panther Evo?
Not quite the evo had a slight angle at the base where the Daija is squared off- check out its full review/unboxing on the channel for more info!
both of them are very good choice
The Daija destroys the alpha hands down. The only thing that I would want different about the Daija is the noir layout, thats it. I own alot of Hori products and the alpha is just cheap feeling and is going to have problems. Because of it not being sealed up entirely and the wire placement. It will be interesting if Hori makes the fighting edge again. The Daija works on pc, ps3, ps4 and ps5. Sanwa parts come with it, all you need is a removable joystick mod to this and it is the best option for travel. People that use this at locals prefer it over the alpha and are selling the alpha if they own it because they realize the alphas short comings. Some of these guys are like forget it I will go back to my HRAP 3 and use a converter for the new games.
Can play all games with that stick such as madden 24 nba 2k 24 mlb the show 24
I wouldn’t recommend it, if the game requires two thumb sticks to properly play it don’t think it would be ideal. There are ways to switch back and forth between the sticks via a toggle but it isn’t something you’d do mid match. Give it a try if you are feeling experimental and let me know.
Well you using one stick in the game itself and that’s the left analog on the controller to be totally honest sir I just picking the access stick by PlayStation for no people with disabilities I will let you know have neorapathy in my hands fingers and legs it works similarl to what you advertising
Please do let us know! Happy gaming!
@@ButtonClubFGC yes the access controller works for all my sports games it also has in profile a category specific stating sport games slot 2 in the library
The problem with nacon daija is the market availability ..it's only sold in European and UK only. can't find in US, Asia, Mid East and APAC. But it is the best stick, way better than Victrix too. Physical downside is the weight. It is heavier than Razer Atrox / Panthera !! Imagine if you had to carry this to local casual or major tourneys. Still....the Nacon Daija Ps5 has smaller dimension in size, it might easily fit your travelling backpack, compared to HFSA-SF6....It's quite enormous!
The Daija is exactly the same weight as the TE2+ and the Razer Atrox...
im just salty amazon hasnt shippend my daija its been 2 weeks
Ours took quite a while- close to 3 weeks. GameStop and bestbuy had them in stock and our friend who ordered it got it within a week from bestbuy.
buying one of these makes u think whats really important in this controller. When you wanna replace both buttons and lever, whats left? ps5 compatibility and measurements of the box... i would not pay 200 bucks for that
There are definitely lots of options for everyone’s preferences. Some custom enclosures cost the same with nothing in them. There’s something for everyone!
I prefer Hori Alpha, even its cable winding system is not good. But user can control the length of the cable out of the body. I don't like detechable cable, plug and unplug, after time connection goes bad.
Great reviews, but your constant looking over to the side was wicked distracting. The Xbox Daija is easy to come by, while the Xbox Hori Alpha is extremely scarce on amazon. It's the opposite for each on PS5.
Sorry there’s multiple cameras running and he has to look over there to see what shot we are in, thank you for the view!
The problem with these arcade sticks is like any other hobby equipment. You buy one, you buy more, you don’t use the old ones, you upgrade the new one, you try to customise the old ones, you got too many spare parts lying around, you try to sell old ones, you end up spending a lot of money then you found a new hobby and you just repeat the cycle.
I don’t see a problem here- that’s half the fun for us!
Lol. With how pricey they are, that habit will end quick.
@@hanzohattori9576 haha for sure
Hey everyone’s got their things! Ryan can have as many arcade sticks as he wants, I’m just thankful it’s cheaper than being into cars! -Tech
There's a lot of echo in your studio. Time for some sound dampening?
Ended up returning my Hori. My forearm kept rubbing against the corners.
ill go with nacon as first stick i use
Great choice!
"It's different than everybody else's" - It's not. It's a mass-produced controller.
I imagine this is about the way the hori opens, in which case it is indeed different than any other stick regardless of production scale.
Qanba Dragon and Te2+
Funny how we don’t hear about the janky hinges on the Dacon and how the Hori is far superior in quality when opening it and locking in place
I didn't find them janky, although they are just plastic. I think the slack in the hinges are the way they are because of how the top panel adjusts itself to fit in place when it's opened and closed. It's def not as high quality as the razer Panthera, but I didn't mind them. The Daija just doesn't get a lot of use from me since we got the Victrix. Thanks for the comment and helping to support the channel.
@@ButtonClubFGC Right on ! Congrats on the Victrix looks awesome. Yeah, I saw a video review of the Dacon on Amazon where the owner had the lid open and with minimal effort was able to sway the lid back and forth. That swayed (no pun) me away from it lol.
@@Adam-pc8dl it does make it more difficult to work on with how easy it is to close. The Panthera stays open and you really have to move it to close it, but the Daija will def fall on your hands as you work on it. if the wind blows while your working on it, that thing is closing on you.
@@ButtonClubFGC I appreciate your honesty. I got a Hori alpha as my first stick, your review helped. I did change out the spring, actuator and buttons for gamer fingers I love it ! Hori alpha hinge sounds sturdy like Panthera
It's obvious that you've never seen Nacon, the quality is far superior to Hori
I'm still using my Mad catz TE2+ 😂
Nothing wrong with that, that stick will go down in history. Haha. Thanks for the comment.
I hate how fight stick manufacturers never make their sticks long enough for tall people.
It's like every fuckin stick is designed for some damn 5 foot 5 tiny person.
It's like you either have to give up palm space or you have to give up length for playing on your lap.
The Obsidian is one of the only modern sticks long enough to be comfortable for tall people. The Dragon is longer but it was so damn heavy that it's uncomfortable for the lap. Even the TE2 to is not long enough.
The Hori Fighting Edge being the other exception to that. But it's not native to modern consoles.
Hori Alpha Xbox /w Seimitsu buttons.
I went with Hori. The love Hori put into alpha is unmatched this gen. Plus Hori quality control is above the rest. And they actually did something new with arcade sticks by making it easiest to mod stick on the market. Most sticks are the same as last gen with slight upgrades.
What were they thinking with the cable management?
News flash they are all just cases that's why they all come with the same basic parts. There is actually no better both of those are mid tier sticks.
What would you consider a top tier stick? Always looking for new things to review
@@ButtonClubFGC It's not what I consider top tier. It's the price point and case material pcb board and ease of customization. So naturally Qanba obsidian 1 and 2 Qanba dragon. And victrix along with Hori viewlix and fighting edge. Those are top tier based on price point parts and how it's assembled. It's just a better case in the end.
Daija much better
I'm really looking for an arcade stick for my ps5 and these seem to be the top 2 contenders. Only problem is, they are just both so fking ugly :/
aesthetically, what are you looking for?
There isn't even a duel. The Daija is a competition quality stick that is worth its price while the Hori is a cheap toy in terms of materials, connectivity and design, sold at twice the price.
The hell are you smoking? With arcade sticks, especially Hori, you get what you pay for and both are the same price so the quality is the same. But Hori quality consistency is much better than Nacon. Arcade sticks at that price in general are already overdoing it in build quality.
Also, the alpha is a replacement for RAP N which already is used in tournaments. Angry bird uses it. Hori alpha is already the most popular arcade stick in its category and is being used in tournaments.
But saying "it's tournament grade" means nothing because hell, people are using the Qanba Drone in tournaments.
@@hanzohattori9576 Calm down kid, I understand I upset you.
You should explain to me how Hori quality is better than Nacon, just because you say it doesn't mean it is the case, where are your arguments? do you know what an argument is?
I'll give you an example, personally I wouldn't take the risk of playing in a tournament with a stick that has such a crappy connection cable like the alpha
Most Pro players have custom sticks, prove to me that the Angry Bird one doesn't have a Brooks card with better connections.
People who don't have shit in their eyes have realized that Hori has made a stick of the economy, after saying that he is popular that in no way defines his quality, the rotten food of Mc Do is popular too.
@15:55 😂
Hi, what material is made of the Nacon, plastic or aluminium? Thanks!
It’s a plastic case, there is a metal plate below the buttons and joystick though.
everyone keeps reviewing sticks after modding things…
why can’t they just make a solid stick with solid buttons????
specially for tekken i want a korean style stick and no one makes it other than etokki from korea assuming its in stock then you have to import etc
for 200 to 400 dollars for mayflash to vitrix the components are trash
i play on pad till someone does this shit right i’m not a modder
There’s always the custom build route through a smaller builder. But you are correct- I wish there were better parts on some of the high end sticks. Hopefully we see some developments in the retail area.
I Love the Daija's look but the latency is stupidly slow if you do your research. It's really one of those $60-$80 China arcade sticks rebranded. Got the Hori Fighting Alpha and The Qanba Titan and I've really been happy with them. I wonder why it's very rare that youtube reviewers talk about an arcade stick's input latency when we pay premium dollars for them. And that topic is really objective and not subjective.
latency issue with the Daija is about the old model befor the 2.04 firmware release. new Daija model results are around 3 and 4ms without overclocking. the Titan, the Alpha and the Victrix provide approximativly the same latency. in my opinion the best deal is a DIY arcade stick with a Brook Universal Controler.
The hori alpha is mid and the daja nacon is mid too. The qanba obsidian 2 is better than both in looks and feel hands down.
The Obsidian 2 is clearly below the 1 in terms of the quality of its finishes
Sanwa 💩🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
My HORI stopped working. Just stopped after 8 months wouldn’t turn on. Trash company.
Oh man, that’s terrible. Maybe it’s still under warranty?
@@ButtonClubFGC bro I ended up getting the nacon. And within one hour the R1 button stopped working. And it would retort to circle button so in menus it wouldn’t move forward nor high punch
Now I don’t know what brand to get. Victirx or quanaba
@@AN7HON7 did you check theprofile setting next to the PS button? If that doesn't fix it, I'm sorry and that's a huge bummer. I hope you find something you like soon. I prefer the Victrix over the Qanba, but that's just my personal opinion.
Interesting comparison. I personally believe the Daija is the superior fightstick over the Hori Alpha. For $250, it better be😅
but input latency of hori sure is better than daija
@@abelald1310I believe it was the old daija that had input lag. It was resolved with firmware update. New Daija doesn't have the lag issue.
Imo the button layout of the hori is much better. That made the difference for me.
@@MrRyuken555This one has more input lag.
both overpriced
You just cheap dude. These are premium fightsticks. If you cant afford it then buy a cheaper one.
What would be a better price point for us to compare?
If you dont have the money to buy, just look somewhere else
@@SnapeVader The TE2+ was better than these sticks. Even the Start and Select buttons were Sanwa. They weren't that expensive either.
@@SnapeVader get the hori mini best bang for the buck ..