The Joys and Struggles of Moving to Paris - Moya Mawhinney |
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- The following is a conversation with @moyamawhinney , a vlogger based in Paris. We discussed the challenges and magic of moving to and living in Paris amongst other things.
This was a different kind of podcast episode where we were having breakfast at the same time, it’s more of a “hang with us” kind of experience, I suggest grabbing something to drink or to do, some visually creative project like painting or drawing while you listen.
Moya's work - / @moyamawhinney
0:00:00 Introduction
0:02:00 Why move to Paris?
0:09:00 Living in Different Big Cities
0:12:00 Perks of Paris
0:25:00 Travelling and Loneliness
0:37:00 Following Your Dreams
0:44:00 Finding an Apartment in Paris
0:52:00 Recent France Protests
0:59:00 Misconceptions of Paris and Parisian People
1:07:00 Outro
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I really loved this interview, but I grew up in France and I think that Moya is romanticizing France and Paris too much because she lives in areas where "rich" or "comfortable" people would live. She never went to public schools and never got to see the dark sides of living in France (violence,racism,poverty) , especially as an immigrant. She speaks about her experience like that because she's privileged but reality is not the same for lower-class people
It sounds really disrespectful to me to say that about Maya, as if you wanted to say that she is too naive and hides herself from reality. I could be wrong but I'm actually pretty sure she knows the dark side of Paris much better than you do
@@YOUENNNN I literally watch all her videos and I love her chanel. My point was that living in Paris as an immigrant and less privileged person is not like what she shows in her vlogs. And trust me, I lived in Paris my entire life I know what I'm talking about
@@Sana-pk4zm ok my bad
@@YOUENNNNit's Moya, not Maya
Not only that, but she’s a pretty lady and of course French people are way more amenable to her versus the average person lol
i'd love to listen to The Purple Palace, her experience as American and artist. she's amazing and I feel like Nathaniel would ask right questions
yes please!
OMG YES
yess i love her
Ohhhh I was just thinking about that ❤️ she is amazing
Yeeeessss
When you resist your innate creativity it turns into depression, anxity, etc bc you're not giving it an outlet. Committing to a creative project and seeing it through was such a rewarding journey for me. I am now an indie debut author and have been blown away by the feedback and support I received. Just create without expectation and let your inner child play. Have fun and let go. Silence that negative voice, it's only there to keep you small. xx
absolutely in love with how all of the cultures that make up Moya's identity blend together in her accent
it’s a usual Irish accent though? I don’t understand
@@fruitellabongi think they mean because her mum is indonesian and her dad is irish
that's true but they were specifically talking about her accent .. you can't tell her mum is indonesian from her accent, she grew up in ireland and has a standard irish accent
I don’t know why this interview sounded like an IELTS speaking exam😂
It’s funny how this conversation highlights the strengths in Nathaniel’s personality, since her reactions are quite dry and monotone (in comparison). He’s such a passionate conversationalist and dares to dive into a subject without tip toeing around it.
Love Moya's chill, calm and thoughtful responses in juxtaposition with Nathan's high energy... it really was a lovely meander through the various topics.
I love Daniel and I love Moya as well! Amazing Daniel Thank you for having her a guest! This podcast is nothing but gold.
I'm living in France since more than 4 years now and I can say that it is a very beautiful country from the land and architecture perspectives. Paris is the hardest place to live in France in my opinion because people are always in a rush, stressed, cold and everything is super expensive, but it also is the most international city in France which makes it a bit easier to find some expat friends who might share similar life/struggles.
French people from what I have noticed have a high level of sense of "critique" mentality which is a double edged sword in my opinion because from one side it helps seek the "perfect" outcome in everything which is a good thing, but then from the other side it could lead to a regular/constant un-satisfaction, which is I think maybe it's part of why this stereotype about French people "always complaining" was created.
It is also true that there is a higher level of conservatism mostly with the older French generations. Younger generations are more open-minded, although I guess it depends on who you meet at the end of the day because yes it's good that French people are honest about what they think, but there is a difference between being honest and being *too* blunt which could be hurtful.
Then there is the French bureaucracy and how it's a nightmare to apply for a residency card in France, or how any customer service would always tell you first _"No we can't help"_ before even listening to your issue and not be patient with you especially if you don't speak French fluently 😅
Don't get me wrong, there are always positives and negatives in anything and anywhere, I'm grateful I have friends here to whom I know I can turn to if needed.
I also like that the French system protects the basic rights of workers which is completely the opposite in some other countries.
I have to mention that French food is so good! 😄
Disclaimer : I'm not at all generalizing of course, nothing personal, just reflecting on what has been said in this podcast and my own experience, so not seeking debates, cheers 🍻
I love the tangents!!! Nathan is soo interesting. I dont think Moya is the type of guest who you can have these conversations with. Love both thiugh
Nate is so patient. He kept trying to draw her out of her shell
Love moya plus Nathan. It was abit more of a difficult conversation that didn't flow as Nathan's conversations do with other guests. Moya isn't really deep and a explorer when it comes to conversations. Loved it as I like both people. Nathan is always amazing, deep and so interesting
Yeah I actually agree this was my thought during the whole thing
I agree moya is very chill and calm and that made this episode slightly less stimulating
I love the format of this vlog and how you guys were just casually chatting and eating breakfast. It was also lovely to have your apartment as the background.
i'm a fan of nathaniel. but this podcast is making me feel like i am watching 2 high school kids preach about life.
They're both mid 20 somethings. Their perspective on things is still very typical post-college 20 year old. The subjects they talk about are interesting but as someone in their late 30s, their perspective is a bit on the less mature side at least for me.
same!@@knucklehoagies
I could listen to Moya speak all day, she's got a lovely calming voice. ☺
This was truly a delightful exchange. When I first saw the length I was not eager to watch fearing it would not be something that could keep my attention. I was so wrong. There is a lovely intimacy to your and Moya's communication. It was private and public with just the right ratio. Thank you for sharing. Happy Memorial Day Weekend.
I really liked the discussion about loneliness and starting anew. I moved away for the first time last year and while I loved the city, the whole not knowing anyone and having to build a new social circle, as someone with anxiety issues, proved too much for me. I moved home but I would like to do it again some day, but now I know what it takes and will have to do a move when I am in a better headspace.
these questions were sooo interesting and i felt like there was so much potential like in response to a lot your questions Nathaniel i felt i wanted to respond and join in and go deeper and i felt that wasn't reciprocated as much by Moya but i think she's still maybe learning about her journey herself so a lot of what you said was maybe more food for thought for her to reflect on herself than what she could respond to. either way a nice listen !
I think she is careful to not talking too much in public even it can seems counterintuitive for a social media persona. I really feel she's someway private and introvert person
He was struggling to make this conversation deeper than the guest wanted it to be.
looooove moya and I know for a fact that she is great talker but Nathaniel carried that episode
I'm finding myself relating to this big time right now. I just made the move from Toronto, Canada to the suburbs of Paris. Thank you for this excelent coversation with tons of real topics that I find myself going trough. Loving France thus far!! Hopfully I can make the move to the city center in the near future! Congrats on the marathon run ND!
Bro. I’m Uruguayan. Grew up in South Carolina. Lived a decade in Barcelona after high school and still found my way back home to SC. I watch your videos because I have appreciation for your work and conversations and what you bring to this platform. I just really need to say this, a Parisian is not better than a Nebraskan. We’re all different. A Catalan is not better than a South Carolinian. A big city is not better than a small city. Diversity is not always better than less diversity. Growing up in Uruguay there was no diversity and it was perfect too. Montevideo now is full of Venezuelans and it’s a new city, it’s still perfect. There can be a balance. We can all appreciate how different we are. Uneducated is not less than a Harvard graduate who lives in London. There is much more wealth in the human heart. We all have something to share. We are all special in our own way. A redneck or Trump supporter can be as intriguing as the French, if you open your heart to it and don’t let prejudice blind you and make you feel like only those who think like you are awake.
Great comment I thought about something similar with culture, I would think others are more interesting/fascinating but now I get the same can be extracted from where you are it’s a unique opportunity too that a lot of other people won’t have.
Beautiful beautiful comment. God bless.
It's always interesting to hear people's perspectives on their expat journey, their country, and WHY they made the move. Really great to see this. I'm relating things in my own head as well. Very relatable moments and loving the podcast.
Very inspiring talk! As a person who is interested in moving to France in general and Paris, this was super insightful. Thank you for making this! Keep up the great work
Excited for this one! I’ve been following her for a little bit now and love watching her settle in Paris. Very inspiring!
i discovered moya very recently bc the algorithm picked up on the fact i'm trying to move to paris within the next couple years (dual citizen here 🙋) and saw in the background of some of her videos that she was subletting from nathan so i was glad to see her be on the podcast! ❤️
Hello Moya... great to see you here with Nathanial.... Relative to this podcast and the two of you it can be said that the two of you were really just getting warmed up! Meaning: that the scope of topics brought up are more laying the foundation of what could become a “regular” conversation for a while and developing each or several of the topics mentioned. And yes, many of us here would like to know what you have to say about these things. Afterall being in Paris offers many many things to talk about, perspectives to share and discuss, events and even the small awarenesses.... Paris is about “provocation”... yes?
I’d enjoy hearing the two of you exploring many of the topics brought up here and how things are evolving in Paris as you develop your different experiences. Thank you for doing this podcast.
I listened to this on the treadmill, I jogged/walked the entire duration of the podcast non stop, didn't feel any knee pain 🤔
I love Moya's voice, so relaxing imma listen to u when working out more often
Would love to see you visit Australia. I am not from there, I'm from New Jersey. However I would love to see someone with your personality explore there. You're so open and friendly which is a very Aussie trait.
Moya is great, nice to hear a sit down conversation with her
She has such a deep voice! A big fit for radio! It's certainly the English equivalent to the "sexy French accent" 😀
Her vlogs are very well put together. I admit I enjoy watching them.
Loved this conversation so much! Enjoyed it so much and its so interesting how all our parents tell us the same thing about the countries they lived and how we ourselves have a relationship with that country. Also side note runners in general pick up on anything when its a very personal sport, so keep enjoying your runs you know your body best !
It was interesting to listen to the conversation. But I somehow am more drawn towards the deep conversations in earlier podcasts that you have done.
Agree with this conversation so much. I feel so seen I moved to paris for the same reasons as moya except I’m not an artist (but loveeeee being surrounded by all the art here)
ive been following moya's apt search on her channel and just visited paris so especially love this episode!💖
Great interview. Hello from Lincoln, Nebraska--thanks for the shout-out! We definitely aren't like New Yorkers.
Loved this! regarding the protests for the retirement age, my french friends were annoyed that the wealthy pay little taxes, and instead of Macron taxing the rich more he got the poor to work even harder. So they were asking for more taxes for the rich first, and if that fails, they were happy to work the extra years :)
The wealth pay "little taxes"?! France is one of the countries (if not the most) where wealthy people pay the most taxes in the World, get your facts straight.
Loved this conversation!! There is an art to a great conversationalist and you do it so well. Moya's move to Paris reignited my own dream of moving there. I'm in the process of manifesting this dream and making it a reality within the next year. I'm fortunate enough that I do speak French fluently, but I appreciate you both discussing the struggles associated with moving to a new city. Lastly, I have to agree with the two of you, the stereotype that French people are rude is completely false! I just came back from the south of france and the people were incredibly nice :)
Le Sud de la France est une chose , Paris est autre chose, principalement si vous n’est pas riche et si vous ne connaissez personne . J’espère que cela ne sera pas votre cas. Bref! Regardez aussi d’autres vidéos sur Paris. Il faut faire attention dans les métros, dans certains endroits. Ah , à cause de l’inflation, Si vous n’êtes pas riche , vous aurez besoin plus de l’argent que le prévu pour vivre à Paris. Planifiez bien avant de venir. Courage! 💪🏻✨
such a good episode! totally agree with the tendency to be friends with expats. I'm French and when I live in the US I mostly connect with internationals since they go though the same struggles and reflexions
aaaaaaah such a good one! loved both of your energies
Really enjoyed this format! 🎉
That was such a good vibe between you both.I enjoyed the interview...... thanks
Watching two people who come from immense privilege and who lack self awareness is my favourite thing to do 🎉
First Elena and now moya!! You’re talking to all of my faves 🥰🥰
this was exactly what i needed i loved this sm
th eway i've beenw aiting for this collab. 2 of my favourite humans living in paris and talking. yay
23:34 I'd just like to point out that Great Britian didn't leave Europe, they left the EU😅 I'm also curious how Moya would describe what "feeling european" is like to her. Cuz for me there is no such thing as "feeling european" ( I was born and raised in Germany btw.) Statements like this one are very tricky imo because it turns Europe into this one homogenous mass.
Also she is saying “they left”, when she is actually part of that “they” being from Northern Ireland
i mean, i'm from latam and i feel mainly that than a specific country, it honestly depends
I do find it very ignorant when people say "UK left Europe" or "UK is not Europe anymore". EU is institution, Europe has been Europe thousands years before EU existed.
I do believe Britons did, however, feel exceptionally un-European. This isn't to say other citizens of the EU feel particularly European (in polls we see national and regional identity always comes ahead of supranational identity); however, for many reasons such as being an island nation, notions of British exceptionalism, Anglo-American relations, etc., British people have historically felt distant from "the continent" and the EU. So, I can totally understand the comment Nathaniel made re: this.
(this is coming from an English woman with Irish citizenship who has lived in France and is now studying European Studies in Sweden lol)
@@klarabella👍🏻😊
It is SO so true that Paris is a different place depending on your circumstances. I have the blessing of having French nationality though I grew up in the US, and family in Paris with a beautiful big apartment right in the center where I could live full time if I wanted... But living with my family makes it hard. They are the iconic parisians that hate Paris. So not all the time, but a lot of the time and enough that it detoured me for now, it makes it hard to really experience the city in the way i would want to. The key is spending your time with the right people and as of now I have essentially zero friends in Paris and the process of making the connections that would make living there feel feasible while being a bit dragged down by my family energy can be overwhelming... I still hope to one day go for it though because it has been a dream of mine for years. Thanks for sharing this episode, loved the more casual hangout with friends vibes :)
Go for it! These are just fears manifesting themselves. It’s sound like excuses. Just do it.
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Love your change and the podcast ❤
What you both did, I did with the US. Moved from Poland to Chicago and after many years to Houston. I’m a self devoted Francophile, I visit France and EUR often and sometimes thinking of moving back to Europe ( Paris) would be a bit easier for me cause I have EUR citizenship still but… still love the US too much. But I am thinking about spending the entire summer there, just need some $ to be able to pay rent here and airbnb there. That would be the best of the both worlds for me 😊
i love seeing moya on here finally! this episode warms my heart so much for some reason. probably because i just came back from a concert & can relate to that point about how beautiful spontaneous real life human interactions can be haha. i really love how chill this episode is! more like this please ❤
Flaco QUE BUEN VIDEO, me emocionó en todos los sentidos! No te conocía, a Moya la amamos, ahora a vos tb
i've always envied indonesians that live and grow up abroad. one of my goals is to flee from this country. there are so many things that i love here like the food, the nature, how affordable things can be etc. but there are also few aspects like the social politics, the expectations, and the corruption among other things that are driving me crazy. even though moya didn't explain much about her mom's situations - i think i can understand why.
ah moya you are just such a wonderful, soft spoken person! you need to start your own podcast and I would listen to your soothing voice all day 🥲
Thanks for the shout out! - Dennis the Nebraskan
I enjoyed the podcast, learned more about the French culture & I would personally like to visit one day, it sounds fantastic.
This is just the second ep of Nathaniel's visual podcast Ive seen and the first one was w Elena. Idk about you guys but something about him just makes me wanna talk about random stuff in wee hours while having tea or coffee he comes off cozy like that
love this episode
I think you should use your podcast to record your ex-pat experience and that of your social circle. You've got a bunch of interesting people around you and who knows what you'll all become. Have recurring interviews with your friends and the progress with what they're doing, their lives in Europe, etc. It will create an interesting history for all of us to follow live. Lots of people love Paris content and never get sick of it, so I think you'll find that it's enduring. This interview was good in that in was casual, but you guided it along well.
eating my breakfast while watching this :)
I really enjoyed this. Thank you.
this was really amazing bro
Both formats, fab
You're so naturally pretty, Moya. I love your calm demeanor. 🤍 Still waters run deep. 🌊
Love the approach !!!
what a solid interview, my kind of conversation :)
ps - I did my first colour grading for an art film project on resolve. This convo helped my flow and wow, I feel such joy!!!
Thank you for the podcast! Good to hear different perspectives! How do you spell the guarantor website service Moya used to find an apartment in Paris?
I think the narrative that you need to accommodate to the French language for them to like you or treat you with kindness stems from entitlement. If French people or anyone would travel to any other country that had a difficult language like Egypt or Morocco no one would expect them to speak the language, let alone accept the fact that they will only be treated nicely if they can learn it. So I think that’s really important to think about deeply because where does that stem from when outsiders aren’t accepted unless they follow those guidelines. I’ve been to Paris and definitely have seen the ugly side of it. Racism does exist there, and in a lot of other places of course but nonetheless definitely exists there. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy when people say they aren’t that nice and I really don’t think that makes them just “honest people” or “not fake”. Just another perspective and thought to add to the conversation!
Racism against white people is the first racism in France, yes.
Great podcast.
On heavier subject, the retirement for ex, i would have enjoy for deeper thoughts. Understanding your place of privilege, that even if the French system compared to the US is better, is really imperfect and could be better if politicals choices were made for the people.
It's a complicated subject, not one for a short yt comment :)
Thoughts to my fellow protesters!
(sorry for my bad English)
Completely agree! Americans shouldn’t settle for crumbs and I believe we need to support French protestors and follow their lead!
If french people can enjoy themself, have week-end and vacations and don't die at work it's because they fighted for that! And on retraites it's much more complicated than only 2 years of working. It's maybe ok for "intellectual" workers but not for "manuals" workers, their bodys are really used and it's not fair!
Even the divisions between the socalled intellectual and manual is pure bs. Humans are not divided parts. It's a complicated debate with an absence of interesting perspectives from foreigners who obviously don't have relevant and informed points to share but it's ok and better to say nonsense lol
I could hear her talk all day !
I have a perfect book recomendation for this episode: Grand Hotel Europa by Ilja Leonard Pfeijffer 😶🌫This book unveils an interesting perspective on mass tourism, national identity, nomads, etc. Highly recommend, athough some parts from there are a bit controversial, lol
i think what you speaking about at the beginning of this podcast is more about a desire for exposure to different cultures and not just about traveling or being in big cities. i have never been fortunate enough to travel abroad, yet make it a point to attended events and be in areas with a richness in diversity. i have been told by a european friend that i'm the most european-like person they've met in america. i would assume that encountering folks who have a curiousity about other places and lifestyles is more obvious when they are expats , but i don't think it is limited to being out of your home country.
is it just me or is the vibe a bit weird? it was a bit awkward
i love moya but i feel like she doesn’t go as deep in the conversations as other guests do
It remind me of the phone call I had last night on Hinge. She asked me a basic interview type question and I answered thoroughly but did not offer any comments afterward to explore like “why are you hiking more all of a sudden or I like to do that as well” so we could expand on that, she just left me talking and talking until I felt the vibe was already out the window. We could have kept it going.
@@undisclosed9825 yea i feel like she does have more thoughts but maybe she's just not familiar with a podcast setting, and sometimes it's hard to get everything out on the spot
I didn’t get that awkward vibe at all. It felt a bit reticent on Moya’s part, but on the whole her responses were thoughtful and genuine. I thoroughly enjoyed it 😊
i think it was a bit awkward at the beginning and then she loosened up, yet I felt like she did not want to be controversial or get people misunderstanding what she meant. and as one comment said, maybe she isn't familiar with podcast settings and stuff
not gonna lie, i am in love after this video. She is gergeous.
This is not related to the podcast itself but the eating sounds are making listening to this very difficult, especially when listening on your phone 🫠
Why? It's not ANY city. It is Paris. The dream is stronger than the task. I came to Italy in 1999-without social media help, lack of working internet connections and, luckily before Europe closed to Americans making it more difficult to jump through the necessary hoops of residency. All of it was WORTH IT. WORTH IT. WORTH IT.
you should invite Adelaine Morin to the podcast that just moved to Paris too!🇨🇵
That was interesting - especially the 'why' someone would want to put themself through the trauma of apartment hunting in Paris. I'm fascinated by the whole city & culture although I've never been. The language is quite beautiful and photos of the city at night are just hauntingly stunning. Someday....
Trauma doesn't mean anything at this point. Now hunting an apartment when you can afford to live and you're safe somewhere during that said hunt is "trauma". Ok
I went out to get a croissant and coffee just to watch this lol
I love Moya and this conversation! Just wish you called expats immigrants because that's what they are :)
From what I understand expats live somewhere temporarily and immigrants move there permanently. But I had to Google because I honestly wasn’t sure!
Expat fancy term for rich foreigners settling elsewhere. Immigrants for low working class ?
When I think 'expat', I think of someone who has chosen to move to another country for pleasure, or has a top tier job that transferred them there. It is not a necessity, it is a luxury. Whereas an immigrant is someone who moves countries for more practical motives, such as for better life, opportunities, or financial situation. There is a clear difference. Please try to think about these questions more deeply before repeating these ideas. :)
yeaaaaa moya
First one! ❤
Damn Nathaniel you're such a good conversationalist. These are the types of questions I wish I have more of in my day to day life. Could talk aaaaaaaall day!
This was an interesting interview....
Moya!!!
i'm curious what visa both of them got that allowed them to move to paris--does anyone know?
I think she was born in Ireland, which is part of the EU, so she can live in any EU country without a visa. Not sure about him though.
est-ce que tu vas faire des podcasts en d'autres langues (en français par exemple👀 )? en tout cas j'adore ce que tu fais continue comme ça!
I live in Istanbul which is not big as New York but definitely way more bigger than Paris but because Istanbul is so metropolitan there are so many different kind of people, including the type of people that you don't want to talk or interact with. I wonder if it's not like that in other big cities. I always feel unsafe in some parts of Istanbul, even when its crowded. By the way, I'm not discriminating anyone, it's just safety precautions. I've been living here for whole my life (25 years). And it's veeerry exhausting...
Italy has fashion as well Milan for instance
Very dry unfortunately 😢
This episode was sadly not it. A lot was small talk but nothing insightful. Moya said a lot without really saying anything, she only became enthusiastic when talking about her apartment. I really like Moya’s videos but from I gathered from the interview and her videos, is that she seems very out of touch. She seems like she hasn’t been through hardship yet or has witnessed any sort hardship or discrimination. In reality Paris is horrible place unless you’re white, the discrimination is wild for black people, Arabs and Muslims. But she seems to be blinded by the ‘Parisian aesthetic’ but in reality the majority of Parisians don’t live like that. It’s giving Emily in Paris.
You write that from your arse lmao. Blacks and arabs are litterally privileged, french natives are oppressed.
I am white and Brazilian and I guarantee that I was discriminated several times. Discrminacao goes beyond skin color, has much more to do with your social class...
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Moya’s vidéos are successful because they show the reality that many would like to have, but will not have. At her age to have the life she has she had financial support , incentive to be able to go to school where he wanted , etc this facilitates and makes everything lighter - ease and fluidity is what the ward goes through in their lives, so we like this type of videos 😅🙊🙃
Love the more relaxed format! But the mouth noises from the food were not very pleasant...
I've got misophonia and it irritates me too
I'll have to disagree with the comment that there is no perceived negative aspects of Italy that people talk about. I think in general most people have only positive things to say about Italy, but I've heard from so many people, including Italians that Rome has A LOT of problems. But all places have the good and the bad, which is just normal. I do admit I was surprised to learn about some of the dysfunctional aspects of Rome.
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The privilege is real with this one.
Oh my gosh! I said out loud, “Nebraska” just before you said it. It made me bust out laughing!!
I agree about New York City ppl versus the rest of the US. (Not all negative)
58:17 generative ai in art and architecture is huge. perhaps interesting to learn about?
You're a language man 😊
Does the drudgery of applying for jobs whilst listening count?
snaps for nebraskians!