The TITANIUM Fancy Feast Cat Can Stove...Do You NEED One?!

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  • Опубліковано 29 лис 2024

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  • @etoyocthebackwardscoyote3572
    @etoyocthebackwardscoyote3572 Рік тому +9

    Your sarcasm is stronger than the titanium. "Quality is impressive...."

  • @nvalley
    @nvalley Рік тому +7

    Just for a little bit of history, the first "cat can" stoves were used by a father and son hiking combo in California whose names are escaping me and involved using a cat food cat with holes punched around the rim to act as a side burner. These were very popular with AT thru hikers before the widespread availability of lightweight isopro stoves and canister availability. They didn't have the wicking and compound stand of Colorado Hiker's Fancy Feast stoce though!

    • @Sokol10
      @Sokol10 Рік тому +1

      What you describe - a stove made with just one can with side holes - low pressure side burner type; are more know as Jim Wood "SuperCat Stove", the guy that made one in 2004. The web page "Supercatsove" teaching how to make one still online.
      The "Fancy Feast" - with tomato paste can as pot stand and carbon filter as wick; appear latter.

    • @martinerhard8447
      @martinerhard8447 11 місяців тому

      I know such stoves were already used around ww1...likely even long before that.
      After all its just a small can with alkohol burning inside

  • @tlum4081
    @tlum4081 Рік тому +18

    The wing/legs just below the center section aren't worthless. Balancing your pot on the center cylinder requires careful placement. If you misjudge the pot placement the wing/legs will keep it from falling off and dumping your pot's contents. I once misjudged placing my pot on my MSR stove and lost my dinner (and created a bear lure).
    On the other hand, the wing/legs are poorly attached to the outer cylinder. However, the price is excessive.

  • @Jaxon1776
    @Jaxon1776 Рік тому +4

    I've tried a lot of alcohol stoves and the Trangia is really the only stove I like. The Evernew titanium stove is also a great stove, but I find the Trangia more convenient since it has a lid with a gasket that allows you to store some fuel in it for the short term.

    • @orraman5427
      @orraman5427 Рік тому

      There's a good reason why there are so many Trangia knockoffs on the market.

    • @martinerhard8447
      @martinerhard8447 11 місяців тому

      The x-boil also comes with a cap but also carbon felt so you can light it when its really cold and no spillage if it topples over

  • @viewsandreviews180
    @viewsandreviews180 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for sharing this product. I made a derivation of the cat can stove about ten years ago using fiberglass cloth, a viene sausage can and potted meat can (I don’t have a cat lol). The fiberglass cloth works really well as the outer wick and was easily customized for diameter difference. That stove is still going strong with no replacement parts needed yet. I really like your stove videos.

  • @sakelleys
    @sakelleys Рік тому +7

    I'm not going to buy one, but could you also replace the carbon felt and grind the center part down to match the retractable pot stand/ stableiser legs?

  • @garywood702
    @garywood702 Рік тому +2

    Looks like the original DIY is a better option in every regard except for the rust. Personally, I'm quite happy with my modified BCB folding stove. I sealed the corners of the fuel tray with high temp JB Weld and then packed the tray with stove gasket rope which absorbs quite a bit of alcohol. Guess I could use the carbon felt too, but haven't tried it yet. It's a fairly stable stove and gets the job done about as well as any alcohol stove does. I'd suggest giving it a try sometime and see what you think.

  • @jakeaurod
    @jakeaurod Рік тому +4

    I've been thinking about making an all-aluminum cat can stove to avoid cost and corrosion issues.
    1. The base would still be a 3 oz cat can, or maybe a Vienna sausage can that is taller and can hold more fuel.
    2. The center riser could be a small can like a narrow 7.5 oz soda can. If the inner riser needs more strength or seems too flimsy, or is too tall for the optimum flame height, maybe slide another can inside it. This allows you to keep the top of the inner riser closed if you want to use it without resting the pot on the top to seal it - but that might make it more difficult to ignite. Cut air holes and drain holes as needed. Figuring out which side should be up may take some experimentation and testing.
    3. Then, instead of using a wicking cloth between the inner and outer wall, maybe use several soda can walls that are crimped, similar in construction to a capillary hoop stove.
    I don't know if this would work since I haven't built one yet, due to preoccupation with illness and an inability to go hiking and camping.

    • @mikehotshots7607
      @mikehotshots7607 Рік тому +2

      I built a stove with an aluminum inner. I think I used a Starbucks espresso can and kept the rim upward. I haven't had any issues with stability. Its also really easy to make because it only requires a decent pair of scissors and a thumbtack. I wish I could attach a picture.

    • @Sokol10
      @Sokol10 Рік тому

      Use two different sizes of aluminium deodorant spray cans.
      I've make one with this cans, and don't use carbon felt -expensive and difficult to find in my "corner of the world"; instead use strips of soda cans with vertical grooves, that creates capillarity (like Tektoba's ECS stoves) and work well as a wick.

  • @Dano0069
    @Dano0069 9 місяців тому +1

    They make mini heavy duty anodized aluminum cake pans that are 3in wide x 2in tall. It would be neat to see a video replacing the cat with the mini cake pan for a more robust option. Love your videos 👍🏻

  • @larrysheedy4293
    @larrysheedy4293 Рік тому

    Need? Maybe.
    Want to make one?
    Sure.
    I think this is all wonderfully done.

  • @skylerphoenix8880
    @skylerphoenix8880 Рік тому +1

    “Foreshadowing” - cracked me up. Made me spit out my High-Altitude Martini (sitting on my balcony in Summit County Colorado).

  • @theoriginalrabbithole
    @theoriginalrabbithole Рік тому +1

    I love Ernie's alcohol stove videos! I've seen every one. 👍

  • @oxxnarrdflame8865
    @oxxnarrdflame8865 Рік тому +2

    I made a cat can with an aluminum can the same diameter of the tomato paste can and it comes in at 0.4oz.

  • @snteevveetns
    @snteevveetns Рік тому

    …”get the titanium…. Don’t get the titanium.” Perfect

  • @MSScout86
    @MSScout86 Рік тому

    The TITANIUM Fancy Feast Cat Can Stove - a solution looking for a problem. Hope others will see your video and save money and start collecting tomato paste and Fancy Feast cans. Thanks for what you do.

  • @JarFarter
    @JarFarter Рік тому +2

    If you don’t have a cat and you wanna make the DIY version… use Frito bean dip instead. It’s the same can

    • @milesrobertson6882
      @milesrobertson6882 Рік тому

      I disagree. The diameter of the frito dip is much, much larger than the fancy feast can. I lived on those dips for years.
      Edit: I believe I may be wrong upon further review. I never knew they made such small cans of bean dip. I always had larger ones.
      Carry on my friend. Apologies.

  • @nickprague1481
    @nickprague1481 Рік тому

    Great video as usual. Please review the Pill Bottle stove. The community needs your opinion..

  • @davidnachbaur6805
    @davidnachbaur6805 Рік тому

    Thank you

  • @unfi6798
    @unfi6798 Рік тому

    Great comparison. Cheers mate.

  • @stevenensminger5737
    @stevenensminger5737 Рік тому

    Would like to see more alcohol stove reviews thank you my friend...

  • @m.hernandez1404
    @m.hernandez1404 Рік тому

    Ernie buys a stove and rips it apart.
    Nice.

  • @bangalorebobbel
    @bangalorebobbel Рік тому

    The challenge everybody has with a cat can stove is that balancing a mug on it is already difficult and it simply cannot be used for larger diameter vessels. So I would have never got the idea to modify that titanium thing in a way to remove the collapsible stands but I would have simply tried to remove something from the center tube in order to make it fit.
    That said, I guess what matters on stoves in general is simply the intended use. If somebody only wants to heat up water, cat can stoves and alikes are ok, nobody needs anything else. But as soon as one wants to cook anything, starting with fried eggs and baking or doing a nice fried rice or boiling a big pot of noodles or whatever else, one simply needs a proper stand for placing the pan or pot without having the imminent risk of spilling everything out. You simply cannot put a pan or a pot with a bigger diameter on top of a cat can stove, and then stir or do whatever else is required during cooking. It simply doesn't work, as the diameter of the inner tube is too small for getting a good stand, and who wants to sit there 20 minutes or so keeping a pan handle.
    Concerning Titanium itself - it is a common misinterpretation, that Titanium items are generally lighter than other gear. It is not true. For example, I have a stainless steel drinking bottle which is almost 20% lighter than the Titanium equivalent. That has to do with the simple fact that Titanium items have often thicker walls than those made out of steel. Same thing here - the original stove is lighter than the Titanium version you created, and that's no miracle but obvious. Not only because of the thickness of the walls but also due to the fact that the outer Titanium can has a completely useless rim on top, and the inner tube has these absolutely not needed legs everywhere. That is nothing but excess weight, for no specific extra use.
    So, overall: interesting experiment, but I could have told in advance that and why it fails, and that it makes no sense at all. ;-)

    • @richardgray2706
      @richardgray2706 Рік тому +1

      Good suggestion. I also would have trimmed the middle down so it was even or slightly lower then the leg's upper supports. It still protects the base from heating the table surface and reduce the chances of tip-overs. But if the legs were so flimsy, should they be trusted?

    • @bangalorebobbel
      @bangalorebobbel Рік тому

      @@richardgray2706 That should be tested under real life conditions. Simply boiling a cup of water is real life for so many hikers, but there are also lot of others who like to cook.

    • @richardgray2706
      @richardgray2706 Рік тому

      @@bangalorebobbel Agreed.

  • @danieljones2183
    @danieljones2183 Рік тому +5

    Haven't had much experience with titanium but just thinking ... Wouldn't it be better to shorten the inside center piece the 2mm or so to make it the same height as the wings?

    • @akbychoice
      @akbychoice Рік тому

      The pot needs to cap off the center ring to somewhat pressure up the fuel.

  • @MatoNupai
    @MatoNupai Рік тому

    The super Cat stove was designed by Jim Wood.
    The Fancy Feast stove was designed by Zellph stove works.

  • @daviddoucet2220
    @daviddoucet2220 Рік тому

    Good video, keep them coming.

  • @rickwheeler978
    @rickwheeler978 10 місяців тому

    😂My name is Rick and I love watching stoves burn. (Hi, Rick)
    I'm pretty sure that I could fix it with a few inches of 2mm titanium wire. File and sand the burner top and wing tops until it's all level. Finally, I would use the wire to reinforce the wings at the weaker pivot points and joints in a similar manner. The real trick would lie in being careful not to impede movement and storage of the "wingstands". And, of course, not breaking them by accident in the process. A simmer ring from a thin, flexible titanium tube that just fits the lower cat can and cut to size would slide snuggly in and out between the can and a carbon felt fire ring wick. With or without thin copper/carbon wires sewn in to enhance and direct heat flow, this should work quite well.
    I also noticed that the stand does leave a small space beneath the burner for a shallow chaffing/primer tray, which could easily be made from a small titanium tin with a screw on lid(several styles and sizes on Amazon). The lid would serve the dual purpose(if any kind of sealing ring is removed first) of capping the burner top when a pot is not resting over it, as when using it for heat or light. This little buddy burner would store underneath the burner with the wingstands folded up when travelling. Plus, a similar but larger titanium tin would make a nice storage container, the body of which serves the dual purpose of a snuffer that will still work while the wings are open and guarantee an instantly extinguished flame when the wings are folded, as it would be when enclosed in a small space.
    Did you say perlite and sand heat sink? A sprinkle of NASA grade graphene insulation for low cost, high tech pyromancy at its finest?
    This all makes my imagination run amok with the possibilities (like controlled, higher temperature cooking or an easy lighting and clean burning olive, "name that vegetable", or biodiesel oil system. Now it's a $100 stove, but priceless. The stand flaws are most unfortunate, but I still see great potential in this stove. A pity that Boundless Voyage didn't make a Mach 2 version to fix the stand problems, or even better had used beta testers to troubleshoot design flaws before releasing it in the first place. The unit almost looks as though it was supposed to have a grate with concentric band rings to spread the heat evenly across the bottom of the pot. For whatever reason, this stove was never completed. I'm getting one, if I still can. And yes, I really do have that kind of time.
    "Low pressure systems, young Padawan. Much air must it need to reach hyperspeed so quickly. And high pressure leads to the explosive nature of the dark side of the stove..."
    Cheers🎉

  • @rickwheeler978
    @rickwheeler978 10 місяців тому

    Admit it, dude. Your cat would still be stoked 😼

  • @russelllieser4226
    @russelllieser4226 Рік тому

    Great video. Thanks for saving us $35.

  • @derektodd4126
    @derektodd4126 Рік тому

    Best wishes from Northern Ireland.

  • @akbychoice
    @akbychoice Рік тому

    I was so hoping to see the titanium center put into the cat can aluminum.

  • @michaeltichonuk2176
    @michaeltichonuk2176 Рік тому

    It's interesting as always! I have zip experience with alcohol stoves. I do find them .. interesting .. I just might buld one to try it out. Options are good to have as well.
    It's great to see your videos pop up on the notification thingy. Your presentations are well done.

  • @tckoppang
    @tckoppang Рік тому +1

    Even better is to make one with an aluminum beer bottle instead of the tomato paste can, and fiberglass fabric instead of carbon felt. Lighter and cleaner!

  • @maxlutz3674
    @maxlutz3674 Рік тому

    I have a Fancy Feasr style stove for years now. When the inner can "needed" replacing due to corrosion, the felt was reuseable. Having to replace the carbon felt puts the titanium version even more at a disadvantage cost-wise. The cool factor is not enough to justify the expense to me.

  • @adammcmillen977
    @adammcmillen977 Рік тому +2

    Looks like the legs were there to behave like training wheels. Not necessary, but might save someone from a tip over.

  • @rickw9008
    @rickw9008 Рік тому

    First stove I made also and it still is amazing. Titanium one is a hard pass for me.
    Great video and review, thanks!

  • @andrewvickers4487
    @andrewvickers4487 Рік тому

    Please keep us posted on any new burners! Thanks to you I recently learned about the Goshawk Victoria (currently sold out) which is about the only one I've seen that can boil faster than the Trangia while being at least as fuel efficient. I'm always interested in others that might tick those boxes :)

  • @tom_olofsson
    @tom_olofsson Рік тому

    Great job.

  • @silviolopez3281
    @silviolopez3281 Рік тому

    thx for the video!!!

  • @chase1094
    @chase1094 Рік тому +2

    I noticed the titanium stove had a lip, its my biggest disappointment in the original cat can stove is that it can't fit in the firebox nano. If you get a chance, can you just let us know if the titanium stove fits in a firebox nano?

  • @infinityhike
    @infinityhike Рік тому

    The time difference looks like the difference in hieght of the inner chambers. Shorter = slower but cleaner for alternative fuels like rubbing alcohol.

  • @gyulalaszlotako8552
    @gyulalaszlotako8552 Рік тому

    Great informative video😊

  • @tonylastname6468
    @tonylastname6468 Рік тому

    Any Solo Stoves on your radar?
    Also, have you looked into the Serotonin gasifier, collapsing, camp stove?

  • @charleswalter2902
    @charleswalter2902 Рік тому

    Have you ever tested the RUCAS stove? I like mine, but wonder what you think of it.

  • @Seamus3051
    @Seamus3051 Рік тому

    "Tis is a difference of opinion that makes a horse race" 🙂

  • @melissahoffman4687
    @melissahoffman4687 Рік тому +4

    The wings are used for bigger pots and pans so the stove will not tip over. Feel free to make a simmer ring for the stove.

  • @mbarr1029
    @mbarr1029 Рік тому +1

    Wouldn't there be a way to sand/cut down the center peice to still use the legs?? or would it need to rest on both the legs and center part to work well??

    • @TNBushcrafter
      @TNBushcrafter Рік тому

      I thought the same thing for a bit, but ya really need the notches at the bottom. The top if you cut it low enough, looks like you'd be into the holes. Then the remaining problem is the pot stand legs are flimsy and they angle downward as they go away from the stove.

    • @mbarr1029
      @mbarr1029 Рік тому +2

      @@TNBushcrafter Yah you caught that angle downward too on the stand. I just liked the thought of the wide base/ safety from tip overs.

  • @clee5653
    @clee5653 Рік тому

    Never made a cat can before but planning to, can I use rockwool instead of carbon felt?

  • @mauriceupp9381
    @mauriceupp9381 Рік тому

    The three wings are to keep you from accidentally knocking your pot over

  • @robinmasters4547
    @robinmasters4547 Рік тому

    I have never heard of carbon felt. Can you elaborate a little more on it’s usage, where to buy, and cost. Thanks

    • @THCone
      @THCone Рік тому +2

      So called carbon felt is just a welding blanket that prevents you from setting fire to nearby combustibles while you are using a welder or a torch.
      For example, when you are sweating pipes in your basement and don't want to set your floor joists on fire you put the blanket between your work area and the wood.
      You can purchase a 12"x12" piece at any hardware store for $10 or so. Huge (lifetime supply for stove DIYers) 3'x3' blankets can be had for around $40.
      It can also be used to wrap the non folding handles on mugs/pots like handlebar tape for bicycles so you will not burn your fingers.
      Oh, and you can use a small piece under the alcohol stove to insulate it from the cold ground.
      Makes a fairly good windscreen too.

  • @jeffvanburen1167
    @jeffvanburen1167 10 місяців тому

    Is carbon wick your using just carbon felt

  • @SharkMarles
    @SharkMarles Рік тому

    Good video

  • @TheBikerDodge
    @TheBikerDodge Рік тому +1

    I use straight forward kitchen roll paper instead of carbon fibre. The stove costs nothing.

  • @alf3553
    @alf3553 Рік тому +1

    I want Trangia to make a Titanium burner.

    • @gedeon2696
      @gedeon2696 Рік тому

      Titainium is NOT as heat conductive as brass or HA aluminum (just as light as ti).

  • @kuzinit2374
    @kuzinit2374 Рік тому

    I got a Chinese copy taglia alcohol burner, I used it in an emergency with 90% alcohol , it left a lot on soot on my pan , not really impressed, but it did work good

    • @TNBushcrafter
      @TNBushcrafter Рік тому

      Yellow bottles of heet fuel treatment or denatured alcohol(methylated spirits if in Europe) output a lot less soot.

    • @flynnstone3580
      @flynnstone3580 Рік тому +1

      Your pan too far away from the flame will cause soot as well.

    • @danielsingh9415
      @danielsingh9415 Рік тому

      ​@@TNBushcrafterpaint thinner, methyl hydrate

    • @TNBushcrafter
      @TNBushcrafter Рік тому

      @@danielsingh9415 I'll pass on the paint thinner. We have enough other options to choose from in the states. I could list at least 10 options that are alcohol based and readily available in most stores here.

    • @danielsingh9415
      @danielsingh9415 Рік тому

      @@TNBushcrafter do tell. I'm from Canada

  • @robertosantinni9656
    @robertosantinni9656 Рік тому

    Just a question after seeing another video. Do you have anything to do with Hunt Primitive . A guy that looks like you and sorta sounds like you was hosting a video about hunting and butchering with Clovis points.

  • @oldkbellguy5156
    @oldkbellguy5156 Рік тому

    The TiCat

  • @jamesschneider3828
    @jamesschneider3828 Рік тому

    Why take the legs off as they still make it more stable with it's wider base.

  • @Asdf-789
    @Asdf-789 5 місяців тому

    Oh dear. If you follow the links you provided to Colorado campers youtube on this stove, even he (to his credit) attributes this to a fancee feast invented by Zelph and this particular stove being a derivation of the fancee feast invented by Hiram Cooks.

  • @MrTangent
    @MrTangent Рік тому +1

    Sucks they didn’t have stronger legs, and the legs weren’t level with base.
    With that said, I would have taken center piece out, and laid it flat on a belt grinder until I got it perfectly level with legs.

  • @emeryz10
    @emeryz10 Рік тому +1

    Instead of cat food, why not try something different? I switched to canned Vienna Sausages, tomato paste, and a single hole puncher to make my own stove. It's much more enjoyable because there’s no cutting involved.

  • @MMuraseofSandvich
    @MMuraseofSandvich Рік тому

    I'm no backpacker, but if you already have a cat can and the titanium version is over twice as heavy and costs over $30 (did titanium explode in price?)... why bother?

  • @mengkhang1037
    @mengkhang1037 Рік тому

    I always find funny people own tools and have very little experience on how to use them. Other than that, a cheap diy is always better than the cool high speed low drag one. The gimmick was not targeted towards the actual back packer but the lazy inexperienced one.

  • @a.b.4824
    @a.b.4824 Рік тому

    For me it's a candidate for the dumbest alcohol stove ever. If you can read between the lines, I already got a follower HAHA
    Thx for the video

  • @xenaguy01
    @xenaguy01 Рік тому

    8:20 A *NINE MINUTE BOIL!* That's the worst I've ever seen from any cat can stove.

  • @rickbartley9255
    @rickbartley9255 Рік тому

    It's too much fun to teach your child to build one and cook a meal, than to buy any part of it other than carbon felt.

  • @jtr109
    @jtr109 Рік тому

    (NOT rated for 4000m)

  • @kenimus
    @kenimus Рік тому

    BIG NO , I CAN MAKE MINE FOR FREE....