Played this game with my dad watching. He told me that Dutch looks like a man who wants a reason to keep fighting, while Hosea sounds like a man who knows there's never a reason to start a fight.
Your dad sounds like a wise man. And I wholeheartedly agree. Hosea’s character was great and the gang didn’t deserve him. Had he lived long enough to see the end of all of it, I would take him for the man to have shot Dutch. And took the backlash for it. He lived. He loved. He lost. And he wasn’t smart enough in the end to talk an unwinding man out of destroying more lives. He was just as tragic as Arthur in my Opinion.
I was a golden boy second time around, took care of all camp challenges/request I could find. Gave half my money to Camp after each chapter except when we were stuck at the Cave one.
if you really appreciate the life of an outlaw, you need to think like an outlaw. Play as a dishonour Arthur first only until he diagnosed himself with TB, then you can play him with high honour. It kinda make sense to the story this way IMO.
@@imanzainudin3024 it’s the only way to play the game. All the dialogue at the start of the game paints Arthur as an asshole even with high honor and the game gives you so much honor at the end of the game it would be pointless to have high honor because it runs the fun of the game only doing good when you can save it for the end.
I love the fact that in the low honor endings the coyote eating the deer is a representation of Arthur's chance for redemption getting choked out by his "nature"
The fact he said he doesn't think Arthur's a good person shows how blind and idiotic he is. Many people in the game said Arthur was a good man, hell even Sadie said she knows he *acts* all cold-blooded but he's really not. The theme of this game is a criminal redeeming himself, that's why this game is called Red Dead *REDEMPTION*
@@coolbroccolie6455 Yeah, Arthur's sidequests(especially those at the last chapter) made me love the character waaay more, even though they were way subtle instead of action packed, but it highlighted how much Arthur changed for the better
As a German: They did the voicing really good, like you hear the accent when Strauss or the German family are speaking English, but they speak perfect German, like you’d expect from them.
@@lindboknifeandtool Well English is a German language. The Brits just stole the language and named it after themselves. So you can consider English to technically be an older version of German.
@@lindboknifeandtool Absolutely. To us Goethe and the Weimar Classic (not to be confused with the Weimar Republic) did the same Shakespeare did to you in standardizing our language. Anything coming before can become quite the challenge depending on local dialects.
One detail about Dutch you missed is in the camp ledger. For the upgrades that make the camp nicer, the first upgrade only makes Dutch's tent nicer with the description "Dutch wants something comfier". It's another example of Dutch putting himself over others like 35:46.
@@BLET_55artem55 Dutchs tent: "Dutch wants a better tent." Arthurs Map: "Arthur wants a map to plan journeys." (Or something like that.) The map can be used FOR the gang, the tent is just... Dutchs wants.
@@darthvadercar Upgrading Dutch's tent makes the gang members more likely to donate because it helps boost morals. His intention is probably selfish, but Dutch also realizes that his gang needs to look up to him, so he keeps himself in the highest light.
@@sunzoooooooo For me when I played rdr2 I wanted so bad to be awful but honestly, I just couldn't, not to mention interactions felt far more meaningful to me when I was at high honour and I truly felt like in the end, I had redeemed Arthur morgan from an outlaw to a human who helped those in need
@@hiimhunter7649 I was bad until i realised im gonna die soon as arthur so i turned a new leaf. i went from negative honor to full positive honor. it was a good feeling. i connected more with arthurs story when i literally stopped killing innocents alongside his character arc.
I got his honor up after the tuberculosis diagnosis and finally seeing that buck made me happy. He may be a digital character, but he deserves to die knowing he made amends.
RDR 2: If you want good honor don't kill anyone you see, play story missions and make moral decisions. RDO: 0 Honor? No more! Be a bounty hunter and get free honor for tying people up and not killing them! Hell we will even give you more gold and money for bringing them alive!
Another thing I noticed is that Arthur's holsters are like a combination of Dutch's and Hosea's. It's practical because he needs his satchel at his side, and it's symbolic as well.
I always liked that right at the start of the game Arthur tells Sadie that “we’re bad men.” It shows from the beginning he didn’t suffer from Dutch’s delusions of grandeur. It’s a lot easier to seek redemption when you know you need it, even if it takes him the whole game to realize Dutch ain’t a man deserving of his loyalty.
kind of sad that because of low honor you didn't get to see Arthur's confession to Sister Calderon. that scene is exactly what makes Roger Clark won the award.
@@ETn4606 I know but seeing GW experienced a low honor playthrough while the high honor has so much more content and ideas to talk about kind of disappointing imo
When Lenny tells Micah "when you go, there'll be a party." He's right. John and Abigail have their wedding right after, it's just another cheaky piece of foreshadowing. I love it.
You missed one thing on the gunpoint with the gangs Javier Escuela if i remember that He points his gun up not pointing anyone because he really respects everyone even arthur and john but picked the wrong side
I cried at the end of RDR2 and I'm not afraid to admit it. I had had low honour throughout the entire chapter 1-5 campaign and in the end i realised i had to do better for Arthur, i helped people instead of killing and stealing. Just something about finally seeing that stag smiling back at you with a beautiful sunrise in the background and that song, after only seeing the wolf made me tear up.
It really hit for me when arthur tells rains fall that his own wife and son were killed by bandits over 10$!! exactly the kind of shit I had been doing all game.
Arthur’s death probably wasn’t as emotional because you got the bad ending. Watching him drag himself to a spot where he could sit up and then slowly wheeze out his last breaths was incredibly heart-wrenching.
Idk why he reviewed it with the bad ending lmao, also he didn't even give the win to the part where dutch foreshadows what he's going to do by saying "same as you, i suppose" before he shoots micah
Finished the game recently, the way the game just kills him coldly, like any normal person hit so hard, he was there, and then he was gone in an instant, the way Micah killed him silently, just a gunshot and it ends. It’s my favorite ending because of this.
When I first played this game, my dad had just had a stroke. He lived, but he had to re-learn how to move his arms and walk properly. It was probably the most difficult time of my life. This game helped me work through all the emotions I had felt during that span of time. Both this game and the situation helped me realize that yes, inevitably, we're all going to die. But while we're here, we need to cherish the ones we love and embrace change. And for those of you wondering, my dad is still here today. He just retired from his teaching job a few weeks ago. And we hope to share many more happy times in the years that follow.
30:00 the party they have after saving Jack where everyone gathered around the campfire listening+/tries to sing with Javier breaks my soul everytime,its the last time we see how happy the gang could be together
@@thephoenix4093 I have glasses. But I was confused as I saw people footing different endings than me so I thought it was based in how u treated the gang.
I showed Red Dead Redemption 2 to my dad and he was first blown away by the graphics, second started asking questions about what you can do in the game (most I could answer yes), and then asked how much it costs. Truly the greatest moment I have had with my dad
57:02 Also one of my favorite quotes is when Arthur hands John his hat and satchel with high honor. The way he says "It would mean a lot to me" always gives me chills and it is one of the only times where Arthur is being calm and heartwarming. For example when he is trying to help the Downes family in the side quests he is stressed and trying to tie up the "Loose end" as quickly as possible but when he knows his time is up he is speaking from the heart and trying to save John.
@@marlettohemmingsen2828 You probably already know but, It's a so called "Sickness" that Uncle has in rdr2. It has become a joke with the community, and now everybody uses this. But no, it's none of these "Deez nuts" jokes.
Here is my theory on why Micah wears a white suit: he was a rat before guarma and he set the gang up in the Saint Denis bank robbery and wore a white suit to distinguish himself so he doesn’t get shot
I believe that Micah has ratted out the following: To Pinkertons: The Blackwater job, everything in there. Their new camp and to give a visit to Arthur. Colm O'Driscoll: He told Colm O'Driscoll to make the peace offering, kidnap Arthur, and that he would make sure that he's at that hill. Pinkertons: Their new camp again. Colm O'Driscoll: He kidnapped Kieran and gave him to Colm O'Driscoll to torture and then behead, reveal the camps' location and attack it. Pinkertons: The bank job in Saint Denis. Basically everything afterwards, and changing Dutch into a selfish man instead of the charming leader who would die willingly and happily instead of anyone in the camp. Yes, that includes Strauss being kicked out of the camp and then tortured by Pinkertons to talk, but he died by torture because he never talked. Now, Micah was a rat either ever since he went into Blackwater, or after his rescue in Strawberry. At the point when Arthur was kidnapped by Colm, i knew that the Van Der Linde gang had a rat. A rat working for Pinkertons and Colm O'Driscoll. I was soon after Kieran died convinced that it was Micah. And when Molly died, i knew that she was setup and wouldn't even blink in front of Dutch and his gang. I know that Agent Milton said that Micah was the rat ever since they got out of Guarma, and there are some of these stuff that are excusable, but not the bank job in Saint Denis. He himself said that Molly didn't rat them out about it but was setup, so Micah must have been a rat ever since he went into Blackwater, or even sooner, with the mission to be a full time rat. I know that the gang did draw quite a lot of attention to themselves with Angelo Bronte and in Rhodes with the two families, but that doesn't explain how did the Pinkertons know *that* much about the bank job in Saint Denis. Micah Bell also was the only one to wear full white during the bank job in Saint Denis, likely because he made a deal with Pinkertons not to kill him, and if he's taken, then alive. The Pinkertons then arrested John to make a setup for Dutch Van Der Linde, but he was already gone. How didn't the Pinkertons rescue Micah Bell or setup Arthur when he was arrested in Strawberry? Answer - they didn't know about it yet. Or he was a rat after his rescue. But that doesn't explain the Blackwater tragedy.
@@0SayMyName0 Genius. Absolutely genius. *However...* Me personally, I like the theory that the Pinkertons, specifically Milton, planted the idea of Micah being the rat to break the gang apart from the Inside because they saw his character and how he acted, so it would be believable. There's Also another theory covered by Cynic, I think, that Abigail was actually the rat.
@@user-qw9wf7wg6r there's more theories with little or more proof and something against these theories. This just proves that Rockstar Games did a great great job with the story, as well as the characters. Everyone experiences slightly differently. About the possibility that Abigail is the rat, I doubt she would kill Mr. Milton if she was the rat, and then, I haven't played RDR1 yet, but from the RDR2 Epilogue and what I know about RDR1, there's so many doubts and against about her being the rat. The possibility of Mr. Milton just trying to break the gang "from inside" by calling Micah the rat when he's not in reality seems more than just unlikely to me. The Pinkertons know about every single camp the Van Der Linde gang was in, they also know about Micah "changing" Dutch. Micah also has dressed in white, he was the only one in fact, during the Saint Denis bank job. I believe that Micah Bell was the rat, but he was ever since he went into Blackwater like a rat, or when he broke out of Strawberry. About Dutch Van Der Linde and his... change, i have two theories what happened. I haven't played RDR1 yet tho. First theory is that Dutch Van Der Linde simply was a selfish, greedy, manipulative, and horrible man ever since birth. He just couldn't hide his true face ever since Blackwater, especially after Angelo Bronte betrayed him, but even more specifically, every tragedy following (failed Saint Denis bank job, Guarma, his disastrous return, etcetera) that happened in short time. However, I find it more than unbelievable for this to be true. He was so charming to me. So... so... himself. That's Dutch. I believe that the struggle to do anything when he saw Arthur dying and Micah saying that they've "won" and other (how he was tired and the weight of everyone relying on him made him stressed, how the gang members started dying...) made this so unbelievable for me. Otherwise I would be more supportive about this. But, well, he was with Micah Bell afterwards for quite a time... When I found out, I was so shocked and unsure about evething once again. It's very unclear for me. Too foggy. He was under big pressure at these hard times and was struggling when he made the bad decisions (leaving John and Arthur, killing them, going with Micah, leaving Tilly, Abigail and Jack behind...) The second theory is that when Dutch Van Der Linde has hit his head after stealing the trolley station, he started changing and the stress, pressure he experienced turned him around. I am very supportive of this one, especially in comparison with the first theory. The stress, deaths, weight of responsibility crushed him into what he became. Perhaps he had two different personalities all his life, like Two-Face, and when this all caught up with him, he was no longer Dutch Van Der Linde, the charming and responsible leader of the Van Der Linde gang that is aware of his responsibilities well. And became the greedy manipulator. Micah Bell likely just told him that it's fine that way, and told him what he wants to hear, not that charming leader - but the greedy selfish manipulator. Leading him and showing the path covered with a carpet. It makes more sense to me. Dutch Van Der Linde, the charming and responsible leader of the Van Der Linde gang that is aware of his responsibilities well was really emotional and caring about his 'family'. The manipulator just said: "It's just a girl". In the end, "You can't change a man, you can only make him who he trully is" is still right. Dutch just had two himselves inside of him, one absolutely diffrent than the other. The "You can't change a man, you can only make him who he really is" is actually true wisdom. The thing is, their true self never changes at all. When they change, that's just themselves. Dutch? He might have became the other himself, the personality that was going to take over during his final straw. The manipulator him has taken over because it saw the opportunity of his stress, responsibilities, that all. Micah told Dutch that it's fine, his other self taking lead and leaving hisself behind. If you're still confused about the true meaning of the wisdom, take multiverse as an example. That rockstar celebrity of yourself is you, and that homeless you is still you.
The level of foreshadowing this game does without making it obvious is honest to God a masterclass lesson in writing It never comes off as wink wink and really just sounds like random banter more than not. Odds are that was the goal but again, just shows how well its all written
What makes Arthur’s death extra devastating when you really think about it is how like 30 years later the antibiotics that would have cured him were discovered.
The old west died around 1900. There really weren't that many outlaws in that time so Arthur would've most likely been forced to become a normal citizen or die
I hate that it's a slow death. I expected him to die in a gunfight like John but instead his death is slow, an entire chapter of suffering and trying to save who he can.
@@cb-9938 It gave him time to redeem himself, he'd have died just another outlaw if he didn't have that time but he actually made a difference with the time he had left and that was the point that was made like 20 times in the story
@@Sneakybeakylike920 sometimes it was a semiauto and others it was a pump from what i've read in reddeadwiki and i am sure he used a semiauto on one occasion in one of my playthroughs atleast
I think Micah did help Milton. Most of the evidence is circumstantial, but the thing that sticks out to me is the cutscene after the credits. Ross and Fordham walk up to Micah's tower alone. Why would they walk into what was essentially a camp guarded by an army completely alone? Well because they were welcome guests, of course. My interpretation of it is that Micah intended to hand over Dutch to them, maybe in return getting pardoned for his previous actions
Here's a nice little detail: when Ross and Milton turn their back to Arthur, you can see him contemplating whether to shoot them judging by his hand, but decides not to because Jack is with him
I think the game works absolutely the best if you play really low honor for the first half until arthur gets his diagnosed, and then turn it around to high honor until he dies. It makes no sense to do the opposite, and its not as immersive if your high honor or low honor from beginning to end.
Yah, I recognized Dutch and Micah for the villains they were right from the jump, I suspect most players do which is part of the beauty of the game. The gang struggle to see Dutch for what he is not because he's so subtle or brilliant, but rather because he's promising them something they all desperately want and need. They're blinded by their desire for acceptance and family and a piece of the American dream, so they look past the warning signs. Observers from the outside like the players see it more clearly because even though they play as those on the inside they are actually looking from the outside in. That ability to see what we want to see is very human, which is why so many people get suckered by con artists and manipulators, whether that's the boyfriend/girlfriend who promises you that you mean the world to them and you believe them despite your friends and family having reservations about their true character to the "can't lose" investment opportunities like those that Madoff or crypto peddle, everyone has blind spots where we believe in a version of the world we want to exist rather than what actually exists. It's a lesson we are doomed to learn over and over our whole lives.
There’s a specific ending for Arthur where when he dies, it’s quiet, and it’s just him sitting there as the sun comes up, and I think that’s the real ending. Sure, the more brutal ending was more real, viewing Arthur as just another person who dies, but the good ending is just so much more self-reflective and most importantly, cathartic
Apparently, the original actor for Uncle passed away somewhat early in production, so they had to recast. But the scenes with Uncle singing in the house building montage are the original actor for Uncle. It was a beautiful moment in the story and made even more poignant by the revelation that it’s such a touching tribute as well :,)
Watching this video made me realize i really haven’t been paying attention to the character’s body language and those small, but deliberate actions in cutscenes, like Dutch taking Charles’ seat while hiding out after the failed bank heist in Saint Denis. They really help to show the change in character throughout the game, especially Dutch’s descent.
Really enjoy your interpretation on many of these scenes. Even though some of the things are your interpretations, I feel a lot of it is accurate. Great video. Deserved the views. On my second play threw. I felt like I was able to find the details of the story amazing. Honestly the best story game I have ever played. After completion makes me feel sad. If you can tell a story that makes someone sad when its done. You did a hell of a job.
I think Micah was definitely the rat for 2 two reasons. One, Milton would have nothing to gain by lying as he doesn't plan on anyone but himself getting out of there alive. Secondly, when they're fighting alone, Arthur calls Micah a rat and Micah replies with "I'm a survivor, black lung." So he doesn't deny it, he reframes it as survival.
And years later when you encounter him as John on top of Mount Hagen there’s a literal rat that passes by the door of his shack when you arrive. The level of detail man…
I honestly cried when Arthur was laying on the top of that mountain dying and just watching the sun rise. And I almost burst out crying as you heard his last breath leave his body.
I was full on sobbing for the entire last part of Chapter 6: it started during Arthur's Last Ride & didn't stop. I'm playing through the epilogue right now & if Arthur wasn't buried facing west, I will cry again.
I still don’t understand how someone goes through this entire game and doesn’t love Arthur by the end of it all. Like we all have different taste but man to me he is the best protagonist in any game.
As much as I love those "everything wrong with" videos, your channel is a pleasant surprise and a nice change. You just got a new sub.. Also you should've gotten the good honor ending for Arthur
I was expecting you to notice but alas, no one ever does it seems. I always noticed how when Dutch and the gang return to camp after finding Jack, and he is trying to give his little monologue about how he found Jack, John interrupts him and you can see Dutch's frustration as he hates when anyone interrupts his flair for the dramatic.
I agree with what you said about Arthur being reflective of the player, so personally the flip that he experiences happens throughout every moment you play the game. Small interactions that give you almost no honor points start the big domino effect, sparing people, doing things with less causualties, and other things like that make Arthur's journey so much more impactful, especially taking into account that dialogue differences for honor start way before the diagnosis, along with the high honor help john ending with much more serenity and peacefulness of him just passing away, having accomplished his goal, rather than him being shot.
At 58:00 it feels inconsequential because Arthur having low honor and still being a bad man means his death will have no consequences to the world around him and that he was just too far gone to redeem now. That's why we play high honor folks especially in the end where the game gives us so many opportunities to earn honor
I came here to say this... My Arthur basically had max honor and seeing such a good man who really tried to positively affect everyone around him die... hurt like hell. I knew all along something would happen to him because of RDR1 but i was holding out a glimmer of hope that he would be the one to retire in Tahiti
My god I was shocked when I saw that, I've never finished the game with low honor and I've always seen him crawl towards the sunset. Maybe I should try some time but still it feels like doing a disservice to him.
Not to mention the impact you have on strangers that you then meet with john helping them and leaving your mark on them as a good person and going back as john to them is so powerful imo
I played the whole game with high honor, but honestly, I feel like the "true story" asks for the player to keep low honor until the TB diagnosis where Arthur finally decides how he wants to affect the world before dying and start acting selfless.
Man it hits so hard and i cry every time I hear “That’s the way it is” or ”unshaken” because it reminds me of the most honorable badass man to sacrifice himself for his brother (John) to have just a chance to have a life with his family .
I think like most of us we had pretty much one horse through our first play through. Mine was high honor and when Popcorn died I had to pause the game for like an hour .
The question: "Why is Arthur a better dad than John" is a very interesting one. I think its because Arthur knows the value of family and what it means to have a son and wife to care for, because Arthur had a son named Isaac. Arthur understands that a family is something you cannot replace. You cant lose a whole family and then just replace it with a new one. Its a devistating experience to see them die like arthur did. I think after his Family was killed he realized how important the people close to him really are, so that is why when he thinks Mary wants arthur back he is so hesitant and almost seems angry. He doesnt want the people close to him to have the same fate and that is why he prefers to be single and without family.
John doesn’t know if Jack is his biological son so he didn’t bother raising Jack. It is heavily implied and said Abagail slept with other gang members as well. After Arthur saved him he raised Jack regardless of him being his biological son or not to give Jack a good life.
@@salvydaboss Ohh yeah! It sucks because I didn't get that scene in my first playthrough, I had the encounter with Reverend Swanson instead, but made sure I did meet the sister in my second playthrough! Its a very touchy moment which I think was portrayed amazingly :)
@@Nicolas_Fancypants On my very first playthrough I already felt the game building up to Arthurs end, made me very sad, its really interesting how attached you can get to a character but I think the way Arthur is portrayed by the choices you make in game gives that extra level of you feeling a connection with him, definitely felt a bit of Red Dead Depression after finishing the game for a little while XD
One of my favourite parts of Dutch’s lies and manipulation is when he kills that woman in Guarma in cold blood, telling Arthur she said she was going to kill them. Not much later, Arthur and Dutch are sneaking past guards speaking Spanish, to which Dutch says he can’t understand them, with Arthur following up with “I thought you said you knew Spanish.”
@@poopdiearheason2426 well, it's actually normal reaction to pull out a knife when some strange american trying to reach your neck with his hands, saying "Just a second..." 🌚🌚
Watched all of that, and I've gotta say, wow - hands down one of the very best rdr2 vids I ever seen (...and I've seen quite a lot). That was a really great vid and it totally shows the good, bad, and the ugly of all rdr2 is, and stands for. That really was excellently done, and super enjoyable to watch. After playing the game for a very long time (3.5 months, daily long hours) and all the way to 100% - I did everything the game has to offer, and it sure offers a lot... You really nailed it and painted a perfect picture of everything that rdr2 is, bravo!
35:38 Javier was pushed off the edge due to his loyalty to his brothers and to Dutch. At least he actually stops unlike Micah, Dutch and Bill. He also raises his gun up to the air almost the entire time during the standoff with Micah and Dutch. Just shows how much he cared about his brothers and he considered them family. He just didn’t believe that Dutch, a man who saved almost the entire gang would be such a snake.
@@Based1889 Kratos has no personality? Have you not played God of War 2018, hell, he even has personality in the other games aswell lmao, have a good one Arthur Stan
55:41 I love the symbolism Rockstar gave here. Dutch initially aimed his black six shooter at Micah and his ivory white revolver at Arthur, it's obviously clear who the rat is and Dutch knows that. But he chose to ignore it and switches his guns around, pointing the black one at Arthur and the white one at Micah because that's what he CHOSE to believe
Holy shit that’s cool but sad, thinking that Dutch knows Micah is a rat but thinking he’s following him and Arthur is the one against him and symbolising that there, very cool
a scene that got me a little emotional was near the end when arthur was basically begging to go save Abigail. you could hear the desperation in his voice when he called for dutch's name
I was lucky that playing through I had never played rdr1 so for me I was seeing dutch with completely fresh eyes and I- fell right into his manipulation. Dutch was like a father figure to me, I loved him with everything I had, I trusted his word, and his betrayal hit like a bag of bricks.
do yourself a favor and give yourself the experience us original fans had. GO back to this game after freshly playing the first game. ALl the dialouge hits completely different in many areas. There is so much that sticks out at you that you wouldn't even think about hearing it with no context. I envy chronological players in a tiny way because the ending of the first game will be even more impactful for you than it was for us seeing an entire journey play out over time. But there still is a very unique experience learning the backstory knowing where the journey leads. That's what makes the writing in this game phenominal. It works amazing as a first self contained story in itself, but it also works amazing for how much you can pull out of it knowing the other game first.
I play the Dutch and I can tell you that's not true at all. It lets you play aggressively because it's asymmetric, but most asymmetric openings tend to do that. Depending on who uses it, it can also be very boring
fun fact there's actual a way to avoid the cutscene where Arthur gets TB so rockstar has Arthur meet him 2 other times before this in the off chance you are able to miss the cutscene
The fact that he gets genuinely upset with Dutch, a fictional character, multiple times throughout this video, speaks volumes for how phenomenal the writing is
yeah i never thought i could unironically hate a fictional video game person until this game, no character in games felt this human to me before. usually games have the cliche good guy protagonist who saves the world from the shallow bad guy
I'm personally of the camp that dutch could be a decent enough man, but Micah was dragging him down lower and lower behind the scenes, especially with the death of Hosea to keep him in check
man did you miss the side story where he talked to a nun on a train station? That's one of the nice cutscenes out there that Arthur opening up to someone how he lived his life and was afraid of dying.
@@sgtjaffa624 you have to do the side mission AND have high honor. if you did it but have low honor at that point you will still meet swanson at the end
GamingWins you forgot to mention that Agent Ross said enjoy fishing kid to Jack and then Jack kills him at the end when he’s enjoying fishing (potential foreshadowing and completing a revenge) also you forgot to mention how Javier in the mission Red Dead Redemption had his gun pointing up showing he is neutral between Dutch and Arthur,John
The attention to detail in this game is insane. The cutscene at 53:30 seems to use light to show Sadie as really the only one who's still loyal to Arthur as everyone else is in the dark
36:40 If you're going further with the similarities, both Aiden O'Malley and Dutch both died, on the side of a cliff, due to their hunting down by a former gang member
You forgot to say how at Angelo Bronte's party he makes a quick little gesture to Alberto Fussar and we never think about it until we get to Guarma where we have to help the people in their fight against him.
@@lil_vault_boy when I seen that he got a low honor ending I was surprised in a good way and he gives an interesting explanation but of course people are so obsessed with high honor arthur that don't realize what low honor is and I've played rdr2 with 7-9 playthroughs and got all endings with each honor. I even played with high honor in chapter 6 and got all the scenes but I always played low honor before chapter 6. Im just saying that low honor is canon or more real to arthurs character than high honor.
What hurts so much in the epilogue is the fact that Arthur wouldn’t have wanted John, Sadie, and Charles to chase down Micah for revenge. He always believed that revenge is a luxury that you can’t afford to take and he’s right. He would’ve wanted John and them to continue lying low and living their lives. This is especially sad cause it’s implied that John’s hunting down of Micah is what leads the Pinkertons to Beecher’s Hope.
Its actually not implied, it is exactly what happened, theres a cutscene where a now mdidle aged agent ross is scouting out the beechers hope ranch, knowing he found his horse to take on his bridel and yoke, only to work to death.
This is the entire story and broken cycle of the red dead redemption series. Taking revenge instead of moving on will always lead to your death in this universe, and it'a more likely than not that your death will then inspire more bloodshed and revenge, continuing the cycle.
Not much of a reply to your comment, just wanted to mention when I read revenge is a luxury that you can't afford, Arthur was reading it exactly in sync at 2:29 lol
I honesty picture a couple seconds after John dies there both in heaven and Arthur just smacks the back of his head calls him a damn fool and quotes the revenge line
The thing about the honor system is that if you wait enough when making a desicion Arthur will decide by himself depending on his honor level. Arthur on High Honor actually inclines to help John, while Arthur in Low Honor decides to go back for the money, that is why in low honor they changed a little bit the dialogue when saying bye to John and it feels more akward than what it should. Also, my Arthur is very in between honor levels, inclining a little bit more for the high honor route since it actually seems more natural, Arthur is in my opinion a good man that fell with the wrong crowd, like Hosea says "there is good people, good and bad, the thing is good people do bad things" and I think that completely summarizes Arthur's character, he was good but usually was pushed by the gang to do bad things, not saying that the gang is all bad, there is good people in there, but they all fall do Dutch's spell and were victims of their own circumstances.
The music. Come on..when they ride down the mountain. The song from the end of the game. The songs and sounds of this game are OFF THE CHARTS good. They make u feel exactly like how the moment looks so u are captivated by the moment. Truly beautiful.
Unfortunately, based on the distance from that curve, the brightness of the light, the dark colors of arthur's clothing and the oil cart he's on, and the weight of the train..... They should almost all be dead. No way that locomotive's engineer would've pulled the brake in time, let alone that locomotive stop the momentum of the cars it's hauling in time either. And yet.. Still badass.
Something I noticed was when Arthur dual wields he has one holster on his leg and one holster in a cavalry draw position a little bit of Dutch and a little bit of Hosea it makes me happy as they both really were his father figures
My sis and I still haven't finished this game so I wasn't able to watch all of it, but I'll add something here. During the conversation with Beau around 19:57, at one point Beau walks around the back of his horse, and you just barely see his hand pat the horse's rear. My sister, being a vet tech who has seen some really nasty stuff mostly with pets but even with livestock and farm animals, was amazed as that's a detail most games would have overlooked. Most people don't actually realize that it is practically a requirement when caring for or frequently riding horses that patting their rear signals that you are there, preventing them from accidentally kicking or bucking someone (my sis has actually kind of seen the end result of an instance like that). Red Dead II is huge, no doubt, so I imagine it would be difficult to win everything. We also performed a lot of the side missions and had a lot of great conversations with strangers and helped/hurt plenty of folks while trying to be good samaritans, and I would think about revisiting this game or at least the side content for a bunch of extra wins that might have been missed.
I noticed that as much as you care about Arthur as a character. You keep him clean with low beard you always have good honor in him and most importantly use Arthur hat in him. That hat just describe Arthur himself. That guy is exactly the opposite. He get the bad ending show that Arthur ain't better than Micah thats the reason he talks about him so much. And he don't even care about Arthur since he says that he saw more emotical johns marriage proposal.
@@iakovos56 lol, I kept a low beard but sometimes I'd let it grow a bit. When I was at Saint denis, before the mission where you scope the place out with a hot balloon, i was riding around greeting people to raise my honor. It showed how much I cared about arthur and I didn't want to see him get the low honor ending. I was so happy when I got a deer instead of a wolf. It symbolized me caring and wanted the best possible ending out there
I had a low honour ending (same as in the video) on my first playthrough but I still love Arthur and I don't really understand why gamingwings does not like Arthur that much.
I played Arthur like a Jax Teller.. Or a Frank Castle... A strict Moral code, but always with a heart full of vengeance for the vagrants and unjust people of the world..Why I more than anything want a prelude dlc, as the gang keeps referencing even though they really in over their heads "This is nothing, things have been much, much worse." I really want to experience that, maybe see Arthur do some of the things, which he claims he himself is not a good man.. Oh and bring back the Arthur Lives and Romances Sadie ending.. We all want it!
John not being able to swim in RDR1 was not actually a "limitation" from an engine standpoint, but their main safeguard against the player entering Mexico too early via crossing the river. Since there are no swimming sections in the game, and barely any water, it makes sense from a gameplay perspective to make the reason the player can't go to Mexico too early is because John can't swim. Making it canon actually gives a story reason why he can't as well, codifying it into lore. It's awesome lol
Benjamin Byron Davis has stated that in the final scene on the mountain with Arthur, he recalls stepping off the makeshift stage while Micah yells for him and admitted to crying his eyes out right afterwards. All in all, it hit just as hard for the actors as it did for most players.
@@kingpandagodoftaste9001 I agree! My biggest regret is Arthur and Lenny didn't go to Valentine Saloon with Charles, John, and Uncle. The five of them would tear the place up-perhaps worse than Arthur and Lenny alone.
Personally, I think Sadie and Arthur are so beautifully written to be strictly platonic, due to Arthur being hung up on Mary and Sadie still very much grieving over her husband. I think it is so delightful to see such a well written friendship and I think both of them having that close bond helps them heal in some capacity. Also both Roger Clark and Alex McKenna have stated in panels and interviews that their dynamic is very much a close friendship, and is written to be that way. :)!! Love this video.
Something that I thought would be touched on but wasn't: During the singing after they built the house at 1:02:25 is the original voice actor for Uncle, John O'Creagh, who sadly passed away during the making of the game, I honestly wish he would've made it to complete the game as his voice work is phenomenal. May he rest in peace.
Every song Uncle sings is sung by John O’Creagh, I was also disappointed that a lot was omitted in the video, he passed over every single side mission, he didn’t get to experience the majority of what made everyone love Arthur because he didn’t visit the content.
@@Krosstic well yes I know it’s every song, that was just the one specific song in the video, but I’m not upset he didn’t go over the side missions, then the video would’ve been at least 2 more hours on top of the already hour lol
@@razorv2579 Worth every second though, since like I said, he missed out on an overwhelming majority of what made everyone fall in love with Arthur as a Character.
When you kill the last Laramie Boy with the sawnoff as John at Hanging Dog Ranch its from the same camera angle as the RDR1 cover That my friends, is a win.
How I see the ending is high honor bc if you do the side quest for the sister she tells you to “take a gamble that love exists and do a loving act” Arthur then saves John that being the loving act. The tb was the turning point for Arthur were he saw that he had to get people out of there before it went down. The sister is why Arthur saw it all clearer as he died for Another
I’m so glad that this channel exists. As fun as it can be to rip something apart, I think appreciating what works well is far more constructive and valuable.
This. I have grown weary of all the nitpicky stuff on the interwebs, unsubbed to all those such as CinemaSins and what not. Its fun for a while until it just gets bleh. CinemaWins and GamingWins FT....W!
Channels like cinema sins just criticize for entertainment, not really providing real things to improve on. "I dont like Joe's haircut" and they'll add like 20 sins. Its pretty retarded.
Cinema Sins is literally just comedy, you do realise that, right? They might be biased, but what would they do if they weren't? It would ruin their channel. I like them because of the funny element it adds.
I love that when the game launched everyone was like "Who the hell is Arthur Morgan? We want Marston!" But by the end we all cried like babies and immediately looked for ways to keep Arthur alive.
Played this game with my dad watching. He told me that Dutch looks like a man who wants a reason to keep fighting, while Hosea sounds like a man who knows there's never a reason to start a fight.
Father and son gameplay, pog
Your dad sounds like a wise man. And I wholeheartedly agree. Hosea’s character was great and the gang didn’t deserve him. Had he lived long enough to see the end of all of it, I would take him for the man to have shot Dutch. And took the backlash for it. He lived. He loved. He lost. And he wasn’t smart enough in the end to talk an unwinding man out of destroying more lives. He was just as tragic as Arthur in my Opinion.
thats basically summary of rdr2 events, all that happened cause of Dutch being hothead
@@dandreguess3108 i still am mad about lennys death tho pissed me off
Bro your dad is definitely a legend
Each to their own i know, but Arthur Morgan DESERVES high honour.
I was a golden boy second time around, took care of all camp challenges/request I could find.
Gave half my money to Camp after each chapter except when we were stuck at the Cave one.
if you really appreciate the life of an outlaw, you need to think like an outlaw. Play as a dishonour Arthur first only until he diagnosed himself with TB, then you can play him with high honour. It kinda make sense to the story this way IMO.
@@imanzainudin3024 it’s the only way to play the game. All the dialogue at the start of the game paints Arthur as an asshole even with high honor and the game gives you so much honor at the end of the game it would be pointless to have high honor because it runs the fun of the game only doing good when you can save it for the end.
It wouldn’t be much of a redemption if you were already a good guy.
@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 no 🧢
Can we all agree that the high honor ending is the best ending for a game ever?
I wish the other endings got as much love as the High Honor Help John ending 😩
It is. The guy talking in this vid really fucked himself by not playing as a good person.
@@daahorse1652 but the other endings dont deserve that love 😅
On the high honor go back for the money ending you get to get some more beating towards Micah
Damn straight boah
I love the fact that in the low honor endings the coyote eating the deer is a representation of Arthur's chance for redemption getting choked out by his "nature"
Is the deer eating a wolf in the high honor endings? To show that he had his redemption?
@@Gingersnap_Adventures bro what
@@Gingersnap_Adventures yes
@@Gingersnap_Adventuresdon’t listen to glowinggreen this doesn’t happen in the game
THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE GAME
Gaming wins:didnt have high honour at the end
The internet: my disappointment is immeasurable
The fact he said he doesn't think Arthur's a good person shows how blind and idiotic he is. Many people in the game said Arthur was a good man, hell even Sadie said she knows he *acts* all cold-blooded but he's really not. The theme of this game is a criminal redeeming himself, that's why this game is called Red Dead *REDEMPTION*
@@moret25 Nah Arthur was def not a good man he just wasn't the worst. The game shows how life is a grey area and how bad people can do good things.
No one:
90% of the comments: you should've played high honor
Retarded blind high honor players just makes my brain want to self destruct
@@godzillazfriction doesn't stop you from acting like one, right?
Seeing Arthur with low honor breaks my heart
And also, I don’t wanna be that guy but actually, if you did the majority of the side quest, I’m 100% you would fall in love with him
But as always, this is a superb video
@@coolbroccolie6455 Yeah, Arthur's sidequests(especially those at the last chapter) made me love the character waaay more, even though they were way subtle instead of action packed, but it highlighted how much Arthur changed for the better
@@sdsdsa0d exactly
I didn’t want low honour but killing people in RDR2 is just way too fun
^^ I finished with high honour but earlier I had low honour
As a German: They did the voicing really good, like you hear the accent when Strauss or the German family are speaking English, but they speak perfect German, like you’d expect from them.
Norwegian too!
Was there an older version of German like there’s old English?
@@lindboknifeandtool Well English is a German language. The Brits just stole the language and named it after themselves. So you can consider English to technically be an older version of German.
@@lindboknifeandtool Absolutely. To us Goethe and the Weimar Classic (not to be confused with the Weimar Republic) did the same Shakespeare did to you in standardizing our language. Anything coming before can become quite the challenge depending on local dialects.
@@WhilemineDe norske er ikke like gode, du hører de er fra Oslo.
One detail about Dutch you missed is in the camp ledger. For the upgrades that make the camp nicer, the first upgrade only makes Dutch's tent nicer with the description "Dutch wants something comfier". It's another example of Dutch putting himself over others like 35:46.
First among equals
Second one is Arthur's, do not make no mistakes on that subject
@@BLET_55artem55 Dutchs tent: "Dutch wants a better tent."
Arthurs Map: "Arthur wants a map to plan journeys." (Or something like that.)
The map can be used FOR the gang, the tent is just... Dutchs wants.
@@darthvadercar can't argue with that
@@darthvadercar Upgrading Dutch's tent makes the gang members more likely to donate because it helps boost morals. His intention is probably selfish, but Dutch also realizes that his gang needs to look up to him, so he keeps himself in the highest light.
Game: you are an outlaw, in the old west, go nuts.
Me: but being evil makes me feel bad
@@sunzoooooooo WHEEZE
@@sunzoooooooo For me when I played rdr2 I wanted so bad to be awful but honestly, I just couldn't, not to mention interactions felt far more meaningful to me when I was at high honour and I truly felt like in the end, I had redeemed Arthur morgan from an outlaw to a human who helped those in need
@@hiimhunter7649 I was bad until i realised im gonna die soon as arthur so i turned a new leaf. i went from negative honor to full positive honor. it was a good feeling. i connected more with arthurs story when i literally stopped killing innocents alongside his character arc.
I got his honor up after the tuberculosis diagnosis and finally seeing that buck made me happy. He may be a digital character, but he deserves to die knowing he made amends.
RDR 2: If you want good honor don't kill anyone you see, play story missions and make moral decisions.
RDO: 0 Honor? No more! Be a bounty hunter and get free honor for tying people up and not killing them! Hell we will even give you more gold and money for bringing them alive!
I mean if you had higher HONOR Arthur wouldn’t have died like that
Yeah the high honor death scene was more impactful to me personally. Man Arthur was a great character.
HIGH HONOR= CANON ENDING
Yeah I I actually got the accomplishment for having high high honor
For me canon ending really would be low honour go back for money shot in the head but with high honour if that makes any sense
@@Alex-wx1bk Low Honor help John feels to unrealistic for me
Another thing I noticed is that Arthur's holsters are like a combination of Dutch's and Hosea's. It's practical because he needs his satchel at his side, and it's symbolic as well.
YOOOO
I always liked that right at the start of the game Arthur tells Sadie that “we’re bad men.” It shows from the beginning he didn’t suffer from Dutch’s delusions of grandeur. It’s a lot easier to seek redemption when you know you need it, even if it takes him the whole game to realize Dutch ain’t a man deserving of his loyalty.
kind of sad that because of low honor you didn't get to see Arthur's confession to Sister Calderon. that scene is exactly what makes Roger Clark won the award.
You have to do the side mission for her because otherwise you won't know who she is and will still get Swanson
@@ETn4606 I know but seeing GW experienced a low honor playthrough while the high honor has so much more content and ideas to talk about kind of disappointing imo
@@thomasprf4778 Let's make him replay it with High Honor this time.
@@trevorphilips9065 I played first time high honor and I never knew u could do mother calderan missions
@@theuncommonn00b12 You should do them they humanize Arthur more
When Lenny tells Micah "when you go, there'll be a party." He's right. John and Abigail have their wedding right after, it's just another cheaky piece of foreshadowing. I love it.
SADIE!!
@@playboicartissquirtjuice2856 what's up cowboy
Why do I hear clapping noises?
@@waterbottlefilms6563 mind ya business
And when Micah is locked up in jail, Lenny and Arthur had a party too XD
You missed one thing on the gunpoint with the gangs
Javier Escuela if i remember that
He points his gun up not pointing anyone because he really respects everyone even arthur and john but picked the wrong side
As his Voice/MoCap actor said, "I pointed the gun in the air because I don't believe Javier would ever point it at his friends
I cried at the end of RDR2 and I'm not afraid to admit it. I had had low honour throughout the entire chapter 1-5 campaign and in the end i realised i had to do better for Arthur, i helped people instead of killing and stealing. Just something about finally seeing that stag smiling back at you with a beautiful sunrise in the background and that song, after only seeing the wolf made me tear up.
It really hit for me when arthur tells rains fall that his own wife and son were killed by bandits over 10$!! exactly the kind of shit I had been doing all game.
Arthur’s death probably wasn’t as emotional because you got the bad ending. Watching him drag himself to a spot where he could sit up and then slowly wheeze out his last breaths was incredibly heart-wrenching.
Idk why he reviewed it with the bad ending lmao, also he didn't even give the win to the part where dutch foreshadows what he's going to do by saying "same as you, i suppose" before he shoots micah
@@yummy-wq6qeI’m still wondering how neither John or Micah picked up on that 😅
@@erintoney7137 same 😭
Finished the game recently, the way the game just kills him coldly, like any normal person hit so hard, he was there, and then he was gone in an instant, the way Micah killed him silently, just a gunshot and it ends. It’s my favorite ending because of this.
I’ve got both and they both equally suck
Red Dead Redemption 2 in my humble opinion, is the closest a video game has ever come to perfection.
Half-Life 2 is easily up there too
Ghost of tsushima aswell
Some of these games arent JUST games anymore, its art. Figuratively and literally
@@paulmasterman1826 I disagree, ghost of tsushima good but by no means perfect
Garfield car
When I first played this game, my dad had just had a stroke. He lived, but he had to re-learn how to move his arms and walk properly. It was probably the most difficult time of my life. This game helped me work through all the emotions I had felt during that span of time. Both this game and the situation helped me realize that yes, inevitably, we're all going to die. But while we're here, we need to cherish the ones we love and embrace change. And for those of you wondering, my dad is still here today. He just retired from his teaching job a few weeks ago. And we hope to share many more happy times in the years that follow.
30:00 the party they have after saving Jack where everyone gathered around the campfire listening+/tries to sing with Javier breaks my soul everytime,its the last time we see how happy the gang could be together
The high honor ending is just so much better where you can watch Arthur take his final breath atop the mountains while it turns day.
I got minimum honour and still somehow got that ending. Idk why
@@ICR_Frizzstroyer bec its a glitch or youre in need of glasses.
@@thephoenix4093 I have glasses. But I was confused as I saw people footing different endings than me so I thought it was based in how u treated the gang.
@@ICR_Frizzstroyer nah the honor system includes everything. Probably a glitch and if you didn't realize it I was joking about the glasses part.
Bruh I need to get my honor higher then
Dutch is a follower pretending to be a leader and Arthur is a leader pretending to be a follower
Wow touché man. Very true
Pretty much
I think that’s doing Dutch a little dirty. He was still a beloved leader 20+ years
Dutch by no means is a follower. He's just a sociopath
I can see Arthur as a leader sure... but Dutch as a follower? Wouldn't be Dutch no more.
I showed Red Dead Redemption 2 to my dad and he was first blown away by the graphics, second started asking questions about what you can do in the game (most I could answer yes), and then asked how much it costs.
Truly the greatest moment I have had with my dad
57:02 Also one of my favorite quotes is when Arthur hands John his hat and satchel with high honor. The way he says "It would mean a lot to me" always gives me chills and it is one of the only times where Arthur is being calm and heartwarming. For example when he is trying to help the Downes family in the side quests he is stressed and trying to tie up the "Loose end" as quickly as possible but when he knows his time is up he is speaking from the heart and trying to save John.
"At that time we know TB is terminal" He's forgetting Lumbago. Its very serious
This is one off those "...deez nuts" jokes, right?
@@marlettohemmingsen2828 No! It's the Lumbago! Never heard of it before?
@@greenman1200 Nope! Please fill me in!
@@marlettohemmingsen2828 You probably already know but, It's a so called "Sickness" that Uncle has in rdr2. It has become a joke with the community, and now everybody uses this. But no, it's none of these "Deez nuts" jokes.
@@greenman1200 lumbago
"They-they got Micah! He's been arrested for murder!"
"Oh, good."
*Everyone liked that.*
_Low honor Arthur in the end_
*Everyone disiked that.*
"Shrek"
Everyone liked that.
Dutch: Arthur, Micah was arrested in Strawberry, and he’s gonna be hanged! You must get him outta there!
Arthur: oh no, anyways
i didnt like that
Same
Here is my theory on why Micah wears a white suit: he was a rat before guarma and he set the gang up in the Saint Denis bank robbery and wore a white suit to distinguish himself so he doesn’t get shot
I never thought of it like that before... That's actually really unique and reasonable, good theory!
I believe that Micah has ratted out the following:
To Pinkertons:
The Blackwater job, everything in there.
Their new camp and to give a visit to Arthur.
Colm O'Driscoll:
He told Colm O'Driscoll to make the peace offering, kidnap Arthur, and that he would make sure that he's at that hill.
Pinkertons:
Their new camp again.
Colm O'Driscoll:
He kidnapped Kieran and gave him to Colm O'Driscoll to torture and then behead, reveal the camps' location and attack it.
Pinkertons:
The bank job in Saint Denis.
Basically everything afterwards, and changing Dutch into a selfish man instead of the charming leader who would die willingly and happily instead of anyone in the camp.
Yes, that includes Strauss being kicked out of the camp and then tortured by Pinkertons to talk, but he died by torture because he never talked.
Now, Micah was a rat either ever since he went into Blackwater, or after his rescue in Strawberry.
At the point when Arthur was kidnapped by Colm, i knew that the Van Der Linde gang had a rat. A rat working for Pinkertons and Colm O'Driscoll. I was soon after Kieran died convinced that it was Micah. And when Molly died, i knew that she was setup and wouldn't even blink in front of Dutch and his gang.
I know that Agent Milton said that Micah was the rat ever since they got out of Guarma, and there are some of these stuff that are excusable, but not the bank job in Saint Denis.
He himself said that Molly didn't rat them out about it but was setup, so Micah must have been a rat ever since he went into Blackwater, or even sooner, with the mission to be a full time rat. I know that the gang did draw quite a lot of attention to themselves with Angelo Bronte and in Rhodes with the two families, but that doesn't explain how did the Pinkertons know *that* much about the bank job in Saint Denis.
Micah Bell also was the only one to wear full white during the bank job in Saint Denis, likely because he made a deal with Pinkertons not to kill him, and if he's taken, then alive. The Pinkertons then arrested John to make a setup for Dutch Van Der Linde, but he was already gone. How didn't the Pinkertons rescue Micah Bell or setup Arthur when he was arrested in Strawberry? Answer - they didn't know about it yet. Or he was a rat after his rescue. But that doesn't explain the Blackwater tragedy.
@@0SayMyName0 Genius. Absolutely genius.
*However...* Me personally, I like the theory that the Pinkertons, specifically Milton, planted the idea of Micah being the rat to break the gang apart from the Inside because they saw his character and how he acted, so it would be believable. There's Also another theory covered by Cynic, I think, that Abigail was actually the rat.
@@user-qw9wf7wg6r there's more theories with little or more proof and something against these theories. This just proves that Rockstar Games did a great great job with the story, as well as the characters. Everyone experiences slightly differently.
About the possibility that Abigail is the rat, I doubt she would kill Mr. Milton if she was the rat, and then, I haven't played RDR1 yet, but from the RDR2 Epilogue and what I know about RDR1, there's so many doubts and against about her being the rat.
The possibility of Mr. Milton just trying to break the gang "from inside" by calling Micah the rat when he's not in reality seems more than just unlikely to me. The Pinkertons know about every single camp the Van Der Linde gang was in, they also know about Micah "changing" Dutch. Micah also has dressed in white, he was the only one in fact, during the Saint Denis bank job. I believe that Micah Bell was the rat, but he was ever since he went into Blackwater like a rat, or when he broke out of Strawberry.
About Dutch Van Der Linde and his... change, i have two theories what happened. I haven't played RDR1 yet tho.
First theory is that Dutch Van Der Linde simply was a selfish, greedy, manipulative, and horrible man ever since birth. He just couldn't hide his true face ever since Blackwater, especially after Angelo Bronte betrayed him, but even more specifically, every tragedy following (failed Saint Denis bank job, Guarma, his disastrous return, etcetera) that happened in short time.
However, I find it more than unbelievable for this to be true. He was so charming to me. So... so... himself. That's Dutch. I believe that the struggle to do anything when he saw Arthur dying and Micah saying that they've "won" and other (how he was tired and the weight of everyone relying on him made him stressed, how the gang members started dying...) made this so unbelievable for me. Otherwise I would be more supportive about this.
But, well, he was with Micah Bell afterwards for quite a time... When I found out, I was so shocked and unsure about evething once again. It's very unclear for me. Too foggy. He was under big pressure at these hard times and was struggling when he made the bad decisions (leaving John and Arthur, killing them, going with Micah, leaving Tilly, Abigail and Jack behind...)
The second theory is that when Dutch Van Der Linde has hit his head after stealing the trolley station, he started changing and the stress, pressure he experienced turned him around. I am very supportive of this one, especially in comparison with the first theory.
The stress, deaths, weight of responsibility crushed him into what he became. Perhaps he had two different personalities all his life, like Two-Face, and when this all caught up with him, he was no longer Dutch Van Der Linde, the charming and responsible leader of the Van Der Linde gang that is aware of his responsibilities well. And became the greedy manipulator. Micah Bell likely just told him that it's fine that way, and told him what he wants to hear, not that charming leader - but the greedy selfish manipulator. Leading him and showing the path covered with a carpet.
It makes more sense to me. Dutch Van Der Linde, the charming and responsible leader of the Van Der Linde gang that is aware of his responsibilities well was really emotional and caring about his 'family'. The manipulator just said: "It's just a girl".
In the end, "You can't change a man, you can only make him who he trully is" is still right. Dutch just had two himselves inside of him, one absolutely diffrent than the other.
The "You can't change a man, you can only make him who he really is" is actually true wisdom. The thing is, their true self never changes at all. When they change, that's just themselves.
Dutch? He might have became the other himself, the personality that was going to take over during his final straw. The manipulator him has taken over because it saw the opportunity of his stress, responsibilities, that all. Micah told Dutch that it's fine, his other self taking lead and leaving hisself behind.
If you're still confused about the true meaning of the wisdom, take multiverse as an example. That rockstar celebrity of yourself is you, and that homeless you is still you.
@@user-qw9wf7wg6r did quite a lot of edits with that comment, this one is the finished comment. The finished theory.
The level of foreshadowing this game does without making it obvious is honest to God a masterclass lesson in writing
It never comes off as wink wink and really just sounds like random banter more than not. Odds are that was the goal but again, just shows how well its all written
Agreed. Its one of the reasons people play the game again and again.
@@kingpandagodoftaste9001There are some video games I would say are better and better written than most live action movies are. RDR2 is one of them.
Arthur toasting to good health was good foreshadowing
What makes Arthur’s death extra devastating when you really think about it is how like 30 years later the antibiotics that would have cured him were discovered.
He wouldn’t have lived to 60
The old west died around 1900. There really weren't that many outlaws in that time so Arthur would've most likely been forced to become a normal citizen or die
It’s not that sad, that’s 30 years. He’d have the same fate as John.
I hate that it's a slow death. I expected him to die in a gunfight like John but instead his death is slow, an entire chapter of suffering and trying to save who he can.
@@cb-9938 It gave him time to redeem himself, he'd have died just another outlaw if he didn't have that time but he actually made a difference with the time he had left and that was the point that was made like 20 times in the story
Noticed that the first time ross and jack meet is by a river, cool subtle reference to the first game
And with the same gun I believe the repeating shotgun. Or did he have a repeater rifle in rdr1? I can't remember.
Ross: “Keep fishing kid, while you still can” Ross 15 years later: *DEAD*
@@dire_wolfheart I think it was a pump action.
@@Wiaer Oh, the irony
@@Sneakybeakylike920 sometimes it was a semiauto and others it was a pump from what i've read in reddeadwiki and i am sure he used a semiauto on one occasion in one of my playthroughs atleast
14:17 It cuts before he does it but Authur reaches for his gun when ross and milton turn around, but then remembers Jack is there.
What if he would have killed them there that would be interesting
I think Micah did help Milton. Most of the evidence is circumstantial, but the thing that sticks out to me is the cutscene after the credits. Ross and Fordham walk up to Micah's tower alone. Why would they walk into what was essentially a camp guarded by an army completely alone? Well because they were welcome guests, of course. My interpretation of it is that Micah intended to hand over Dutch to them, maybe in return getting pardoned for his previous actions
Here's a nice little detail: when Ross and Milton turn their back to Arthur, you can see him contemplating whether to shoot them judging by his hand, but decides not to because Jack is with him
I think he also decided not to shoot them because their agents and their so close to camp
@@roncheese2133 no, he was gonna go for it, but then he remembered Jack was with him
I like that this is where Ross and Jack meet, one by a river fishing and the other with a gun. How they last meet is the same
also in the mission where you pick up the drunk reverand you can see him crawl out the door in the back ground
@@lornepribbeno3760 Damn that might be obvious to some but you saying it is the first time I made that connection.
Having high honour makes Arthur’s arc feel all the more impactful and the ending is perfect.
the low honor ending enrages me i would never want that it just kills the scene for me.
Cold blooded asshole until diagnosed and then he gets high honor. That’s how I play every time
@@johnnysins9143 for real
Plus horses and goods are cheaper to purchase which is nice
I think the game works absolutely the best if you play really low honor for the first half until arthur gets his diagnosed, and then turn it around to high honor until he dies. It makes no sense to do the opposite, and its not as immersive if your high honor or low honor from beginning to end.
51:45 not only is this scene a callback to Dutch talking about change, but in both scenarios, Dutch is jumping off a cliff.
Yah, I recognized Dutch and Micah for the villains they were right from the jump, I suspect most players do which is part of the beauty of the game. The gang struggle to see Dutch for what he is not because he's so subtle or brilliant, but rather because he's promising them something they all desperately want and need. They're blinded by their desire for acceptance and family and a piece of the American dream, so they look past the warning signs. Observers from the outside like the players see it more clearly because even though they play as those on the inside they are actually looking from the outside in. That ability to see what we want to see is very human, which is why so many people get suckered by con artists and manipulators, whether that's the boyfriend/girlfriend who promises you that you mean the world to them and you believe them despite your friends and family having reservations about their true character to the "can't lose" investment opportunities like those that Madoff or crypto peddle, everyone has blind spots where we believe in a version of the world we want to exist rather than what actually exists. It's a lesson we are doomed to learn over and over our whole lives.
There’s a specific ending for Arthur where when he dies, it’s quiet, and it’s just him sitting there as the sun comes up, and I think that’s the real ending. Sure, the more brutal ending was more real, viewing Arthur as just another person who dies, but the good ending is just so much more self-reflective and most importantly, cathartic
Too cliche with the sun so no
@@godzillazfriction irrelevant
@@godzillazfriction too cliche? Bro☠
@@anthonyfernandez82 irrelevant
@@염소-t7m yep☠️
Both Mary's lovers died from lung related illnesses? 2 year of playing this game never realize that. Maybe her beauty is breathless
She is a fine woman
badumptssssss
BADUM TSSS
I am pretty sure my arthur could've surived TB, but in chapter 5 and onwards I smoked a crap ton of cigarettes cuz I saw what was coming lol
No like seriously...... ALOT of cigarettes
God i remember playing Jim Milton rides again and as soon as that theme started playing I smirked and said “hello old friend “
Fun fact! The man that stops Arthur from fighting in Valentine is Thomas Downes. You can occasionally hear him preaching in town.
Apparently, the original actor for Uncle passed away somewhat early in production, so they had to recast. But the scenes with Uncle singing in the house building montage are the original actor for Uncle. It was a beautiful moment in the story and made even more poignant by the revelation that it’s such a touching tribute as well :,)
@Coolest Man69 they also named Mount Hagen in honor of Ross Hagen, the actor for Landon Ricketts, who passed away unfortunately.
@@buttwiperindawfulevil2256 This game keeps finding new ways to make me cry
You know what’s interesting as well, is that Arthur’s tent was right next to Dutch’s up until Lakay and Beaver Hollow
Lakay isn’t really counted though, since you’re there for one mission and then you leave to go to Beaver Hollow.
Was Arthur’s tent next to John and Abigail‘s? 🤔
@@brendanrourke9418 yes
Oh wow, that is a very nice little detail.
Watching this video made me realize i really haven’t been paying attention to the character’s body language and those small, but deliberate actions in cutscenes, like Dutch taking Charles’ seat while hiding out after the failed bank heist in Saint Denis. They really help to show the change in character throughout the game, especially Dutch’s descent.
Yeah same, and I was thinking I was too blinded by Dutch and wanted to be by his side while not seeing the little things he does
Really enjoy your interpretation on many of these scenes. Even though some of the things are your interpretations, I feel a lot of it is accurate. Great video. Deserved the views. On my second play threw. I felt like I was able to find the details of the story amazing. Honestly the best story game I have ever played. After completion makes me feel sad. If you can tell a story that makes someone sad when its done. You did a hell of a job.
I think Micah was definitely the rat for 2 two reasons. One, Milton would have nothing to gain by lying as he doesn't plan on anyone but himself getting out of there alive. Secondly, when they're fighting alone, Arthur calls Micah a rat and Micah replies with "I'm a survivor, black lung." So he doesn't deny it, he reframes it as survival.
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And years later when you encounter him as John on top of Mount Hagen there’s a literal rat that passes by the door of his shack when you arrive. The level of detail man…
And in saint denis bank robbery everyone wears black suits and red/green ties he wore a white suit with a gold tie so they know not to kill him
@@Abdallah69. Didnt he become a rat right after Guarma though? Although Milton could be lying I guess but I don’t see any reason for him to do that
@@Anastasja13 He could have been sending him notes to Milton or the Pinkertons
I honestly cried when Arthur was laying on the top of that mountain dying and just watching the sun rise. And I almost burst out crying as you heard his last breath leave his body.
I did.
First time ever while playing a videogame
I was full on sobbing for the entire last part of Chapter 6: it started during Arthur's Last Ride & didn't stop. I'm playing through the epilogue right now & if Arthur wasn't buried facing west, I will cry again.
@@thedailybullshit4033 that last ride is exactly what made me cry
i had low honor by the end so Micah was the one to kill arthur....i was soooo mad haha
To be honest i haven't cried that hard sinse gears 3, Dom's sacrifice
I still don’t understand how someone goes through this entire game and doesn’t love Arthur by the end of it all. Like we all have different taste but man to me he is the best protagonist in any game.
As much as I love those "everything wrong with" videos, your channel is a pleasant surprise and a nice change. You just got a new sub..
Also you should've gotten the good honor ending for Arthur
Did you never change outfits? You’ve got stronger willpower than me. I spent way too much time customizing instead of playing the story.
his default outfits look super good IMO
Same
I'd spend hours on Arthur's look just for him to hate on himself anyway 😤
@@tjknight when he makes me comments about himself in the mirror 😞
changed his clothing once throughout the whole game
I was expecting you to notice but alas, no one ever does it seems. I always noticed how when Dutch and the gang return to camp after finding Jack, and he is trying to give his little monologue about how he found Jack, John interrupts him and you can see Dutch's frustration as he hates when anyone interrupts his flair for the dramatic.
Do you now the time stamp for that? I saw the entire video but cant recall when that bit takes place
@@agustindetlefsen6944 as far I know he didn’t showed it but it’s one of the most beautiful moment in the game
I agree with what you said about Arthur being reflective of the player, so personally the flip that he experiences happens throughout every moment you play the game. Small interactions that give you almost no honor points start the big domino effect, sparing people, doing things with less causualties, and other things like that make Arthur's journey so much more impactful, especially taking into account that dialogue differences for honor start way before the diagnosis, along with the high honor help john ending with much more serenity and peacefulness of him just passing away, having accomplished his goal, rather than him being shot.
38:49 I like to think of that of the power struggle now leading towards Micah with Arthur trying to keep up with him and Dutch
At 58:00 it feels inconsequential because Arthur having low honor and still being a bad man means his death will have no consequences to the world around him and that he was just too far gone to redeem now. That's why we play high honor folks especially in the end where the game gives us so many opportunities to earn honor
Fax
I came here to say this... My Arthur basically had max honor and seeing such a good man who really tried to positively affect everyone around him die... hurt like hell. I knew all along something would happen to him because of RDR1 but i was holding out a glimmer of hope that he would be the one to retire in Tahiti
My god I was shocked when I saw that, I've never finished the game with low honor and I've always seen him crawl towards the sunset. Maybe I should try some time but still it feels like doing a disservice to him.
Not to mention the impact you have on strangers that you then meet with john helping them and leaving your mark on them as a good person and going back as john to them is so powerful imo
I played the whole game with high honor, but honestly, I feel like the "true story" asks for the player to keep low honor until the TB diagnosis where Arthur finally decides how he wants to affect the world before dying and start acting selfless.
Having beat the game 4 times, Arthur's last ride with the song and him donning his hat one last time still hits like a truck
same
Man it hits so hard and i cry every time I hear “That’s the way it is” or ”unshaken” because it reminds me of the most honorable badass man to sacrifice himself for his brother (John) to have just a chance to have a life with his family .
That ending is perfect
I think like most of us we had pretty much one horse through our first play through. Mine was high honor and when Popcorn died I had to pause the game for like an hour .
@@Nixo66 Respect ✊
The question: "Why is Arthur a better dad than John" is a very interesting one. I think its because Arthur knows the value of family and what it means to have a son and wife to care for, because Arthur had a son named Isaac. Arthur understands that a family is something you cannot replace. You cant lose a whole family and then just replace it with a new one. Its a devistating experience to see them die like arthur did. I think after his Family was killed he realized how important the people close to him really are, so that is why when he thinks Mary wants arthur back he is so hesitant and almost seems angry. He doesnt want the people close to him to have the same fate and that is why he prefers to be single and without family.
John doesn’t know if Jack is his biological son so he didn’t bother raising Jack. It is heavily implied and said Abagail slept with other gang members as well. After Arthur saved him he raised Jack regardless of him being his biological son or not to give Jack a good life.
Just watched this video two years after it was made, but it brings back memories and makes me want to play the story again! Great video!
Same!!
One of my favourite lines at the end will always be:
“You’re my brother”
“I know.. I know”
What are you fucking 5, out of all the lines in the game that's the one that hit you the hardest lmao
Love it but also love the “I’m afraid” to the sister at the train station
Get outta her and be a god damn man speaks volumes then John saying that is just so heart wrenching because you know that Arthur won’t make it.
@@salvydaboss Ohh yeah! It sucks because I didn't get that scene in my first playthrough, I had the encounter with Reverend Swanson instead, but made sure I did meet the sister in my second playthrough! Its a very touchy moment which I think was portrayed amazingly :)
@@Nicolas_Fancypants On my very first playthrough I already felt the game building up to Arthurs end, made me very sad, its really interesting how attached you can get to a character but I think the way Arthur is portrayed by the choices you make in game gives that extra level of you feeling a connection with him, definitely felt a bit of Red Dead Depression after finishing the game for a little while XD
One of my favourite parts of Dutch’s lies and manipulation is when he kills that woman in Guarma in cold blood, telling Arthur she said she was going to kill them. Not much later, Arthur and Dutch are sneaking past guards speaking Spanish, to which Dutch says he can’t understand them, with Arthur following up with “I thought you said you knew Spanish.”
“I know… human beings, Arthur.”
Arthur response to this differs on Arthur’s honor
the woman literally pulled a knife on dutch.
@@poopdiearheason2426 well, it's actually normal reaction to pull out a knife when some strange american trying to reach your neck with his hands, saying "Just a second..." 🌚🌚
@@HeeJabka she threatened them, gloria tried to get more gold of dutch. she was literally screaming "kill me!"
Watched all of that, and I've gotta say, wow - hands down one of the very best rdr2 vids I ever seen (...and I've seen quite a lot).
That was a really great vid and it totally shows the good, bad, and the ugly of all rdr2 is, and stands for.
That really was excellently done, and super enjoyable to watch.
After playing the game for a very long time (3.5 months, daily long hours) and all the way to 100% - I did everything the game has to offer, and it sure offers a lot...
You really nailed it and painted a perfect picture of everything that rdr2 is, bravo!
35:38 Javier was pushed off the edge due to his loyalty to his brothers and to Dutch. At least he actually stops unlike Micah, Dutch and Bill. He also raises his gun up to the air almost the entire time during the standoff with Micah and Dutch. Just shows how much he cared about his brothers and he considered them family. He just didn’t believe that Dutch, a man who saved almost the entire gang would be such a snake.
Arthur is the most amazing character in gaming history. Make sure he has HIGH honor. You’ll love him
Nah
@@egg-cf8bt then?who do u think is?
@@Based1889 Kratos
@@jackcarmody5118 ew he has no personality at all hes an angry loser kratos doesn't come close to arthur
@@Based1889 Kratos has no personality? Have you not played God of War 2018, hell, he even has personality in the other games aswell lmao, have a good one Arthur Stan
55:41
I love the symbolism Rockstar gave here. Dutch initially aimed his black six shooter at Micah and his ivory white revolver at Arthur, it's obviously clear who the rat is and Dutch knows that. But he chose to ignore it and switches his guns around, pointing the black one at Arthur and the white one at Micah because that's what he CHOSE to believe
Holy shit that’s cool but sad, thinking that Dutch knows Micah is a rat but thinking he’s following him and Arthur is the one against him and symbolising that there, very cool
they are the same color its just the sun lighting one more. but i think they did the lighting that way on porpuse as well
42:28 literally one of the saddest deaths in the game and im not even kidding, I loved that guy 😢
a scene that got me a little emotional was near the end when arthur was basically begging to go save Abigail. you could hear the desperation in his voice when he called for dutch's name
I was lucky that playing through I had never played rdr1 so for me I was seeing dutch with completely fresh eyes and I- fell right into his manipulation. Dutch was like a father figure to me, I loved him with everything I had, I trusted his word, and his betrayal hit like a bag of bricks.
Omg me too. I only realised he wasn’t really a good person in that scene where he walks away from Arthur before eagle flies saves him 😢
do yourself a favor and give yourself the experience us original fans had. GO back to this game after freshly playing the first game. ALl the dialouge hits completely different in many areas. There is so much that sticks out at you that you wouldn't even think about hearing it with no context. I envy chronological players in a tiny way because the ending of the first game will be even more impactful for you than it was for us seeing an entire journey play out over time. But there still is a very unique experience learning the backstory knowing where the journey leads. That's what makes the writing in this game phenominal. It works amazing as a first self contained story in itself, but it also works amazing for how much you can pull out of it knowing the other game first.
Ik me too I couldn’t deal with it so every once in a while I would dress John as Dutch and jump off a cliff with a white horse
Man same. I thought it was going to suck if I played rdr2 without playing rdr.
Same here, bought rdr1 right afterwards
The chess move dutch was referring to is the Dutch open it sacrifices every peice to sace the king aka dutch in this situation
Not quite. More hiding the king behind a bunch of pieces and pawns. Very defensive and non-confrontational.
I don’t understand what the hell you’re trying to say. What?
@@r011ing_thunder6 it's the king trying to use the prawns to protect the king
@@sonicking7871 I hate prawns
I play the Dutch and I can tell you that's not true at all. It lets you play aggressively because it's asymmetric, but most asymmetric openings tend to do that. Depending on who uses it, it can also be very boring
38:55 the way Arthur looks at the gun after kicking it to make sure it's okay is hilarious. he cares more about the weapon than the captain
fun fact there's actual a way to avoid the cutscene where Arthur gets TB so rockstar has Arthur meet him 2 other times before this in the off chance you are able to miss the cutscene
The fact that he gets genuinely upset with Dutch, a fictional character, multiple times throughout this video, speaks volumes for how phenomenal the writing is
yeah i never thought i could unironically hate a fictional video game person until this game, no character in games felt this human to me before. usually games have the cliche good guy protagonist who saves the world from the shallow bad guy
I'm personally of the camp that dutch could be a decent enough man, but Micah was dragging him down lower and lower behind the scenes, especially with the death of Hosea to keep him in check
@@smalf00 yeah Dutch was likely a decent man before he went insane/ his true colours started to show. still, I hate him.
Movies are also based off of fictional characters. What’s the difference?
@@tomohawkcloud Wh- did I ever say there was difference? What is your point?
man did you miss the side story where he talked to a nun on a train station? That's one of the nice cutscenes out there that Arthur opening up to someone how he lived his life and was afraid of dying.
Right that was such an emotional scene!
@@martmakesmusic I think that only happens when you have High Honour.
@@brooksyd2 the scene only happens if you do the side quest it doesn't matter what honor you have
@@sgtjaffa624 you have to do the side mission AND have high honor. if you did it but have low honor at that point you will still meet swanson at the end
@@sgtjaffa624 Actually you also need High Honor for it
GamingWins you forgot to mention that Agent Ross said enjoy fishing kid to Jack and then Jack kills him at the end when he’s enjoying fishing (potential foreshadowing and completing a revenge) also you forgot to mention how Javier in the mission Red Dead Redemption had his gun pointing up showing he is neutral between Dutch and Arthur,John
34:58
Nice parallel to when John finds Javier in the first game where him and dutch both say "Might as well be. . ."
Anyone else get filled with hell’s fury when they took Jack?
I felt no remorse when I stormed that mansion-
Yea that mansion storming is fuckin amazing
@@vincentcampbell8314 Same.
@@vincentcampbell8314 Sameeeeee
i put on bfg divsion and went fucking crazy
The attention to detail in this game is insane. The cutscene at 53:30 seems to use light to show Sadie as really the only one who's still loyal to Arthur as everyone else is in the dark
pretty sure lighting is not fixed for most cutscenes but depends on time and weather
I’m sure it was more coincidence than anything.
You reaching bro
sureeeee
36:40 If you're going further with the similarities, both Aiden O'Malley and Dutch both died, on the side of a cliff, due to their hunting down by a former gang member
You forgot to say how at Angelo Bronte's party he makes a quick little gesture to Alberto Fussar and we never think about it until we get to Guarma where we have to help the people in their fight against him.
You should really do a High Honor playthrough though Roger's acting shines more there
Edit: Holy shit look at that like ratio thanks gang.
No just stop
@@godzillazfriction ?
@@lil_vault_boy when I seen that he got a low honor ending I was surprised in a good way and he gives an interesting explanation but of course people are so obsessed with high honor arthur that don't realize what low honor is and I've played rdr2 with 7-9 playthroughs and got all endings with each honor. I even played with high honor in chapter 6 and got all the scenes but I always played low honor before chapter 6. Im just saying that low honor is canon or more real to arthurs character than high honor.
@@godzillazfriction?
@@satanmcqueen7538 now you realize that low honor is canon?
What hurts so much in the epilogue is the fact that Arthur wouldn’t have wanted John, Sadie, and Charles to chase down Micah for revenge. He always believed that revenge is a luxury that you can’t afford to take and he’s right. He would’ve wanted John and them to continue lying low and living their lives. This is especially sad cause it’s implied that John’s hunting down of Micah is what leads the Pinkertons to Beecher’s Hope.
Its actually not implied, it is exactly what happened, theres a cutscene where a now mdidle aged agent ross is scouting out the beechers hope ranch, knowing he found his horse to take on his bridel and yoke, only to work to death.
No.
This is the entire story and broken cycle of the red dead redemption series. Taking revenge instead of moving on will always lead to your death in this universe, and it'a more likely than not that your death will then inspire more bloodshed and revenge, continuing the cycle.
Not much of a reply to your comment, just wanted to mention when I read revenge is a luxury that you can't afford, Arthur was reading it exactly in sync at 2:29 lol
I honesty picture a couple seconds after John dies there both in heaven and Arthur just smacks the back of his head calls him a damn fool and quotes the revenge line
The thing about the honor system is that if you wait enough when making a desicion Arthur will decide by himself depending on his honor level. Arthur on High Honor actually inclines to help John, while Arthur in Low Honor decides to go back for the money, that is why in low honor they changed a little bit the dialogue when saying bye to John and it feels more akward than what it should. Also, my Arthur is very in between honor levels, inclining a little bit more for the high honor route since it actually seems more natural, Arthur is in my opinion a good man that fell with the wrong crowd, like Hosea says "there is good people, good and bad, the thing is good people do bad things" and I think that completely summarizes Arthur's character, he was good but usually was pushed by the gang to do bad things, not saying that the gang is all bad, there is good people in there, but they all fall do Dutch's spell and were victims of their own circumstances.
The music. Come on..when they ride down the mountain. The song from the end of the game. The songs and sounds of this game are OFF THE CHARTS good. They make u feel exactly like how the moment looks so u are captivated by the moment. Truly beautiful.
The fact that Arthur stared down a train while standing on EXPLOSIVES and didn't move a muscle is why I love him so much.
He fears not death. Like a samurai.
@@josephr.6081 he would be friends with jin definitely sticking to whatever it takes to protect people and going against his friends/family
That was an homage to the Jesse James movie, the scene is replicated shot by shot quite closely. ua-cam.com/video/QsuaAOPJAUE/v-deo.html
Unfortunately, based on the distance from that curve, the brightness of the light, the dark colors of arthur's clothing and the oil cart he's on, and the weight of the train..... They should almost all be dead. No way that locomotive's engineer would've pulled the brake in time, let alone that locomotive stop the momentum of the cars it's hauling in time either.
And yet.. Still badass.
This video:
90% - hating on Dutch and Micah
10%- reviewing the game
I know, he really has it out for him
Who could ask for more?
And I'm OK with that
Well to be fair...neither sin nor even win videos are meant to be ''reviews''
Well he get low honor ending we deserve to hate him for that more than he hate micah
Something I noticed was when Arthur dual wields he has one holster on his leg and one holster in a cavalry draw position a little bit of Dutch and a little bit of Hosea it makes me happy as they both really were his father figures
My sis and I still haven't finished this game so I wasn't able to watch all of it, but I'll add something here. During the conversation with Beau around 19:57, at one point Beau walks around the back of his horse, and you just barely see his hand pat the horse's rear. My sister, being a vet tech who has seen some really nasty stuff mostly with pets but even with livestock and farm animals, was amazed as that's a detail most games would have overlooked. Most people don't actually realize that it is practically a requirement when caring for or frequently riding horses that patting their rear signals that you are there, preventing them from accidentally kicking or bucking someone (my sis has actually kind of seen the end result of an instance like that).
Red Dead II is huge, no doubt, so I imagine it would be difficult to win everything. We also performed a lot of the side missions and had a lot of great conversations with strangers and helped/hurt plenty of folks while trying to be good samaritans, and I would think about revisiting this game or at least the side content for a bunch of extra wins that might have been missed.
You had a low honor Arthur. That’s prolly why you didn’t like him like most people did. Loved the vid tho!
I noticed that as much as you care about Arthur as a character. You keep him clean with low beard you always have good honor in him and most importantly use Arthur hat in him. That hat just describe Arthur himself. That guy is exactly the opposite. He get the bad ending show that Arthur ain't better than Micah thats the reason he talks about him so much. And he don't even care about Arthur since he says that he saw more emotical johns marriage proposal.
@@iakovos56 lol, I kept a low beard but sometimes I'd let it grow a bit. When I was at Saint denis, before the mission where you scope the place out with a hot balloon, i was riding around greeting people to raise my honor. It showed how much I cared about arthur and I didn't want to see him get the low honor ending. I was so happy when I got a deer instead of a wolf. It symbolized me caring and wanted the best possible ending out there
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I had a low honour ending (same as in the video) on my first playthrough but I still love Arthur and I don't really understand why gamingwings does not like Arthur that much.
I played Arthur like a Jax Teller.. Or a Frank Castle... A strict Moral code, but always with a heart full of vengeance for the vagrants and unjust people of the world..Why I more than anything want a prelude dlc, as the gang keeps referencing even though they really in over their heads "This is nothing, things have been much, much worse." I really want to experience that, maybe see Arthur do some of the things, which he claims he himself is not a good man.. Oh and bring back the Arthur Lives and Romances Sadie ending.. We all want it!
John not being able to swim in RDR1 was not actually a "limitation" from an engine standpoint, but their main safeguard against the player entering Mexico too early via crossing the river. Since there are no swimming sections in the game, and barely any water, it makes sense from a gameplay perspective to make the reason the player can't go to Mexico too early is because John can't swim. Making it canon actually gives a story reason why he can't as well, codifying it into lore. It's awesome lol
not going to the dessert and the west before ruined it for me
but when i FDUGNKGING FALL OF THE BRIDGE IN THEIVES LADNING HAHDWHAIUBD WANFUIWANDWAIO
also, rockstar had full on swiming and diving in gta san andreas. so "limitaion" is just bullcrap lmao
@@alexeddy7433riddle me GTA 4
Marching on braithewaite manor felt like a scene straight outta Django unchained.
I've watched this video so many times and I will do it again I love this game and this channel your opinions are always great keep it up
Benjamin Byron Davis has stated that in the final scene on the mountain with Arthur, he recalls stepping off the makeshift stage while Micah yells for him and admitted to crying his eyes out right afterwards.
All in all, it hit just as hard for the actors as it did for most players.
Getting drunk with Lenny and building the house as John were probably my favorite missions.
That scene when they are drinking and just having fun was amazing. I need to sing more songs with my friends
And the Valentine bank for me.
LENNAY LENY LANNEE?
Funny how in a game about gunslingers and murder and all that stuff the scenes about the exact opposite of those gets more popular
@@kingpandagodoftaste9001 I agree! My biggest regret is Arthur and Lenny didn't go to Valentine Saloon with Charles, John, and Uncle.
The five of them would tear the place up-perhaps worse than Arthur and Lenny alone.
Lenny had that youthful spirit the gang needed. When Lenny died, the gang died.
Personally, I think Sadie and Arthur are so beautifully written to be strictly platonic, due to Arthur being hung up on Mary and Sadie still very much grieving over her husband. I think it is so delightful to see such a well written friendship and I think both of them having that close bond helps them heal in some capacity. Also both Roger Clark and Alex McKenna have stated in panels and interviews that their dynamic is very much a close friendship, and is written to be that way. :)!! Love this video.
Something that I thought would be touched on but wasn't:
During the singing after they built the house at 1:02:25 is the original voice actor for Uncle, John O'Creagh, who sadly passed away during the making of the game, I honestly wish he would've made it to complete the game as his voice work is phenomenal. May he rest in peace.
Every song Uncle sings is sung by John O’Creagh, I was also disappointed that a lot was omitted in the video, he passed over every single side mission, he didn’t get to experience the majority of what made everyone love Arthur because he didn’t visit the content.
@@Krosstic well yes I know it’s every song, that was just the one specific song in the video, but I’m not upset he didn’t go over the side missions, then the video would’ve been at least 2 more hours on top of the already hour lol
@@razorv2579 Worth every second though, since like I said, he missed out on an overwhelming majority of what made everyone fall in love with Arthur as a Character.
@@Krosstic honestly I’m starting to agree as I sit here and think about it more
O'Creaghs Run is a beautiful location in the game and serves as a tribute to him
When you kill the last Laramie Boy with the sawnoff as John at Hanging Dog Ranch its from the same camera angle as the RDR1 cover
That my friends, is a win.
The man that gets killed is trevor's great great grandfather
@@luhtonyyy Source?
@@ugotrektdude824 source is trust me bro
@@ugotrektdude824 rock* is the source the guy is literally voiced by trevor's actor
he also opens the barn door like in rdr1
The Guarma section felt like a spiritual successor to AC Black Flag ngl even tho theres literally no relation haha 38:34
How I see the ending is high honor bc if you do the side quest for the sister she tells you to “take a gamble that love exists and do a loving act” Arthur then saves John that being the loving act. The tb was the turning point for Arthur were he saw that he had to get people out of there before it went down. The sister is why Arthur saw it all clearer as he died for Another
I’m so glad that this channel exists. As fun as it can be to rip something apart, I think appreciating what works well is far more constructive and valuable.
This. I have grown weary of all the nitpicky stuff on the interwebs, unsubbed to all those such as CinemaSins and what not. Its fun for a while until it just gets bleh.
CinemaWins and GamingWins FT....W!
Agreed. I stopped watching Cinema sins and started watching these more he goes into depth more
Agreed.
Channels like cinema sins just criticize for entertainment, not really providing real things to improve on. "I dont like Joe's haircut" and they'll add like 20 sins. Its pretty retarded.
Cinema Sins is literally just comedy, you do realise that, right? They might be biased, but what would they do if they weren't? It would ruin their channel. I like them because of the funny element it adds.
I love that when the game launched everyone was like "Who the hell is Arthur Morgan? We want Marston!"
But by the end we all cried like babies and immediately looked for ways to keep Arthur alive.
i like how you sighed when you said that lenny was doing a bunch of work for the gang at somewhere around 22:20
You’re energy is real . One love 👏🏽