Keep at it - it's worth it! The challenge, I think, is you're having to unlearn what 18 months of indoor riding has taught you - which is "opposite form" from what's outside. That's why when you first got on the bike with the rocker your tilted the bike right while pushing down with your right leg. That opposite form is what people on static setups develop - but if you did that outdoors, you would just tip over. You're having to learn proper form, like outdoors, but with the nuance of a rocker plate, which feels a bit different. But you'll love out of the saddle riding once you get used to it! So great for climbing and sprinting. Here's me doing a sprint test on my rocker plate just a few hours ago: ua-cam.com/video/0CMZeYZcUA0/v-deo.htmlsi=SSahNhMIelOr9OuX&t=1544 One last thing: you might try altering the pressure of the rubber balls. Too hard and you don't get the amount of rocking you need, and you may even end up doing the opposite motion thing. But too loose and you'll have a hard time controlling things and you'll feel really wobbly. Many rocker plate newbies start off with the balls pretty inflated, then gradually let air out as they get used to balancing.
I appreciate this video, Ryan. Thanks for providing your insights on these contraptions. As an IRL cyclist looking for Zwift to help me maintain weight loss momentum & motivation through the winter - so far so good 🤞 - I'm looking for the most realistic experience I can get. This is one of the items I have been considering with that goal in mind. I've watched several videos on rocker plates, all made by cycling gurus in full kit and such. Your perspective on the setup from an enthusiast's feel perspective rather than offering a technical review is as good as gold.
I bought "HDJ Rocker Plate" this year. My first impression for similar setup to you, was the same. But I could do a big regulation. Now it's rocking maybe 10-20% of your setup and works for me great.
Great vid, really interesting. I guess it’s down to practice and once it clicks your in. It will help you for outdoor cycling by the looks of it, working some slightly different muscles etc 👍🏻
Great job on getting closer to the next category. Well, I don’t need a rocker plate for my current Trainer. I used to have one for my previous trainer and I found that if you can stiffen the movement up slightly, it does help with being stable. I think there’s a balance between movement and stiffness that allows you to put the best amount of power through the pedals. In my case, I have actually fallen off my rocker plate with my bike. Specifically during a rather crazy sprint.
Hey Ryan, I'm about a month into having a rocker plate. It finally clicked for me. What I did is practice the side to side while sitting, as in right foot going down-lean left, left foot down-lean right. Got used to that and muscle memory took over and now standing and leaning the right way comes naturally. Hope that helps, love your channel man!
I’ve just purchased a rocker plate for my Tacx Neo Smart Bike from Martin at Omnirocker. Hopefully will arrive in the next week or so. Looking forward to the upgrade in my set up 👍
I have an Omnirocker from Martin too! It's a fab piece of kit and has made indoor cycling a lot more comfortable! Stick with it, you'll get used to the movements, don't forget to check the level and put some air into the balls if required.
Great vid as always mate. Was looking at one of these rocker plates, not sure I can justify the price. Nobody to answer too, but I don’t think id get the benefit enough. Just put another message on the zwift play video you did. Black Friday price of the controllers is £50. Again I don’t think I’d use them enough. Enjoying your vids 👍👍
Another fun video, Ryan. This is off-topic, but it looks like you've lost some more weight? Really enjoying watching your journey. Best of luck adjusting to the rocker plate!
I can see your next challenge - Alp d Zwift on the Rocker plate out the saddle for the whole climb :) I think others may have said this but the goal is to counter the movement of the bike so push down on the right peddle whist tilting to the left. That way you maintain central balance and let the bike move below you. Have a look at UA-cam videos about climbing out of the saddle and use those tips for your rocker plate. Once you get the hang of it, you'll fly I'm sure :)
I’ve been thinking about a rocker plate for a while to get a more natural feeling when cycling indoors as I struggle to put power down when standing on a static trainer. Adding feet that use tennis balls to add a bit of sway have helped a little, so I’ll be very interested in how you get on with the Omnirocker Ryan. Thanks for another brilliant videos 👌
I find my rocker plate (lifeline model) made the long 2+ hour indoor tides much easier, but like you, I initially struggled with the standing sprints. It will click, and it will be worth it!
That much movement isn't realistic because bikes don't lean over and require extra balance to that degree IRL. The momentum holds the bike up when riding outside. Gravitational load is more progressive, along with inertia/centrifugal forces acting on your center of mass. Try putting some dense foam under each side to dampen the free movement down a little. I folded some big strips of cardboard and put them longways under the feet on my Elite smart trainer...kinda does the same job but to a lesser degree. A little bit of side to side movement works fine and doesnt require any extra balancing.
I got some 15cm anti vibration squares and put them underneath the trainer mat and underneath the leg ends of the trainer. Made out of rubber, reduces damage on the wood floors and also provides slight feedback when rocking. Works fine for me without rocking all over the place. It also cost $6 for 4 of them 👌
I've thought about similar with the cardboard or dense foam under the legs of my direto but I'm really wondering if that's such a good idea for me. It's very common for my trainer to shift position during hard sprints or any out of saddle work and I'm worried it would just fall off anything I put under the legs. I am pushing 1200w on my sprints though.
Good effort Ryan 2.6wkg is decent even without the new factor. Be interesting to see how u get on ultimately as I’ve been considering a rocker plate also
Interested to see how you get on with this going forward, Ryan. I bought a Wattbike a month or so ago and it was vibrating stuff off the walls when upstairs in the bedroom! So I bought 4 feet that hold 2 tennis balls each off a guy who 3D prints them on eBay. Game changer and so much quieter plus it allows a bit of swaying.
I think you need to get used to it Ryan. Practise makes perfect. I am zwifting on the kickr core, bought the 3d printet feet for 2xtennisballs for it. Thought i was gonna take a dive first time I tried sprinting on it. Your rockerplate does seem more wobbly than my tennisball mod thou. Hang in there, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it :)
Ive had 2 rocker plates only this 2nd one has fore and back motion. And i dont think about it at all now. I would say practice with non races to get the hang of it. You might feel shaky on your arms and legs and core because your body is scared of falling off but it will get less and you will be able to stand and power with practice. Dont give up!! Dont compare it with outside riding with rythmn either its just a different thing. Persevere cos its well worth it and congrats.
I made a home made rocker plate for my Wahoo kickr about a year ago, I experimented with different materials underneath at the sides to act as springs/dampers, I think your plate moves too easily, maybe if you could increase the resistance a little so it needs more force to tilt it might be better for you, my one only rocks a little until I sprint, Rocker does help a lot when sprinting and the backside is not numb after a hour now.....
Never used one but that is the reason I have never considered one as when you stand up and push down so the reviewers say the rocker tips towards the side you push down on where as the bike on the road tips to the opposite side away from the leg you push down on. Hope you find a way if you want to use one.
@@RyanCondonit takes practice too. I'm mostly confident since starting on them this indoor season, though still occasionally "crash " when I am really tired or when sipping from my bottle or putting it back those are oddly enough much harder than riding hands free. Rollers are very fun though
I would say persevere with it. The stabilising muscles required for the balance will develop the more you use the rocker plate. I did notice when you stood up you put your hands on the drops, for me its easier to keep your hands on the hoods. Maybe thats worth a try.
@@RyanCondon as you stand pull through the hoods with your hands in rhythm with as your press with your feet. I would say you need to punch/attack /squeeze more as you stand up so you don't lose your cadence and therefore you will maintain your power and rhythm.
I created a workout where my trainer jumps to 300 watts for 15 seconds and I jump out of the saddle for that interval. Then it drops to 200 watts for five seconds to give me time to sit back down. Then down to 100 watts for 40 seconds and then repeats over and over. Your wattages may vary. As for your rocker plate, it you feel like it's rocking too much, you can probably add air to the balls and stiffen it up just a little.
Hi, have been watching your zwift/cicling videos on tha last 2-3 days and i have some questions. Thats fine if u does not answer them but i'm curious. 1- what have been harder in your life? Your job career or your fitness/youtube journey? 2- i see u breathing alot of your mouth when doing high watts, i wonder if thats only because of effort, its known that breathing in through the nose impact your performance in a positive way. (Not a question now that o see it) 3 - On the last videos you was "super tucking" but the correct way is to almost sit on the bike bar, all though its very dangerous, and even ilegal on pro competition. Thought to ask if anybody told you that already. Thanks for the content, love from brazil.
Thanks for watching my videos, I'm happy to answer your questions. 1- My career. I enjoy my fitness journey and creating UA-cam videos. I wouldn't want to go back. 2- It's involuntary. I'm aware how loud I breath but only when I watch my videos back. I'm also asthmatic so I'm just trying to stay alive. 3- I have no idea what I'm doing so just having fun. I know I'm not really "supertucking". :) Hope this is ok.
I have not tried a rocker plate, however, last year I did try a motion add-on for my Zwift Hub One trainer (E-Flex Plus by Inside Ride). I tried it for a couple of weeks and then returned it. I liked the fore-aft motion, however, I felt the lateral motion was too much and contributed to too much instability in my riding. The device itself was very high quality, however, the dynamics of the motion that it added was just not what I was looking for.
I think the rocker may be more useful for endurance rides, by alleviating boredom, etc. at lower intensities, whereas it provides less benefit on more intense and shorter races.
Just watching the first part of the video, my first thought is that your Wattbike has a lot of weight higher up than a trainer+bike setup. The centre of gravity is much higher and with the rocker plate the weight that was designed to make the bike stable when standing on the floor is exaggerating the rocking movement.
@@Thespinningwoman If I'm honest, I think its the way Ive learnt how to ride out of the saddle more than the equipment but I appreciate your comment. 👍🙌
I have one and when I first used it, it was like being in a boat ⛴️ on a stormy 🌊 day 😂 I’ve had it for a while now and am used to it in all positions and it does enhance the Zwifting experience. Doesn’t make me any faster but just adds another dimension to the fun 🤩 Would I tell all Wattbikers to get one? Not so sure. I do still have a few issues with it but personally, it’s not a regret purchase yet 😜
I would consider myself an ‘elite’ zwifter. I’ve always wanted one of these but every video review shows people finding the movement unnatural which puts me off. Curious how you get on with it long term. In addition, I go to great lengths to keep my bike static for racing. I have multiple weights on the kickr to avoid any lift when I sprint. So again, just very counter intuitive to what I currently do to encourage/allow this movement. I will be very curious how you get on with this long term.
Hy nice video, are you more stable on the hoods for now, coz getting down on the drops seems pointles for a sprint position, no need for aero while you indoors. Is flat bar an option 600mm, 700mm max, with bar ends for dif. hand position ? Cheers and pedal on ;)
Had a rocker plate for about a year. Rebuilt my trainer cave and decided not to put it in the new area. Best decision ever, haven't noticed any difference in comfort, but way more stable.
Yep, they are a waste of money. People buy them because they get into indoor riding and want to fix a problem that exists from lack of time on the bike. If rocker plates was the answer, why do all new outdoor cyclists complain about getting a sore ass. Also the top zwifters actually go to great lengths to stabilise their trainer, putting weights or even bolting them to the floor.
@@titaniumben9923Then how do you explain being able to ride outdoors pain free for 3 - 4 hours but moving indoors have to stop after an hour to hour and half?
@mitchhorton9178 same way you got to ride painfree outdoors for 3-4 hours, time in the saddle indoors and the extremely obvious - Ride on a velodrome for 3-4 hours and you're going to be sore as well, change position regularly, shift gears and get out of the saddle every so often. Take a quick toilet break after 2 hours. Basically mimic the outdoor start and stops and you'll find you can ride for far longer. I've done a few stupidly long rides indoors (10+ hours) without a rocker, plenty of people have. A rocker plate is like buying a big cushy saddle, it seems to make sense, but it's actually counter-productive
@@titaniumben9923Except there are many people that have used rocker plates with very positive results. If you don’t need then that is fine but you shouldn’t speak to benefits that other people have been able to have by using them.
Are you pulling on the handlebar (upwards and/or inwards) with the opposing hand to the leg driving down when standing? If not try it Looks like a nice product, too bad they don't ship internationally
I'm a bit baffled by "getting the gears wrong". I've got egearing and if I'm in the wrong gear i just change it. It's not like IRL where changing under severe tension is tricky. Is this a Watt Bike thing?
I have an Omnirocker from Martin that goes forwards and back as well side to side, absolutely love it now, but it did take me a short while to get used to it. Had a few rides leaning completely to the left/right thoughout as couldn’t hold it straight in the middle 🤣 Zwift play though, how did you attach them, did you used the adapters over the hoods or lift the bottom of the handle bar hoods? I can’t get mine on without it moving the hood away from my downshift microswitch?
@@letscrafttogetherdiy4989 Its a very well made rockerplate. Im sure my progress will be quick. I just attached the controllers using the adapter under the drops.
@ryancondon Thank you I will have to have another look at the controllers. I’m sure you will get used to it soon, just keep riding, try not to think about it as much and it will become second nature. Being in the right gear always helps though 😉
I think I have the same problem as you. I've been using the Leeze Boom board as my rocker plate for a few months now, and I feel like I've gained some additional comfort, but very marginal, but my performance has dropped, I've lost 20/25 watts at maximum effort, given that I don't spend many hours at a time on zwift, I'm thinking about stop using.
Ive always imagined that installing a rocker plate would feel natural right away. I guess I was wrong then ! 😂 Or maybe that’s because you did not have the fire socks on ! Ps : Martin looks legitimately like a really nice guy 🙏
Also, you have gotten the habit « to rock yourself around/above your bike » on your trainer, maybe that’s why you have issues it the feeling right now, as now you can rock your bike under you. That’s muscle memory you’ll have to reprogram 🫡
I bought a rocker plate for our SB20 and hated it. I just couldn't get use to the movement which felt like the bike was wallowing from side to side, nothing like IRL so it went back.
@@RyanCondon Every day for three weeks. The SB20 weighs more than the Wattbike so that didn't help. My wife who also rides on Zwift just refused to get back on it. We got rid of the SB20 because it was always having to be repaired and bought a Zwift Ride. I bought some pads that go under the feet of the Core which allow movement and that is a lot better.
I've had a rocker plate on my stages SB20 6 months now. Cycling for over 2 hours is no issue now. But it's an elephant on roller skates though but so comfortable.
I made a homemade rocket plate with 4 balls and mine seems much less wobbly. Maybe air up your balls a bit all you get used to eat and gradually air them down to get more wobblies
For sure I’ll be interested in watching that, can imagine it just feels strange because it’s different - your brain will just be so used to being bolted to the floor
Stick with it Ryan, you'll soon get used to it. I love climbing and sprinting out the saddle with mine! Yours looks a little too 'floppy', stiffen up your balls and you'll be all set 👌
Ryan, you are way too polite in regards to rocker plates. My experience was just like yours. YES they have the ability to rock and YES you need basic pedal coordination, but the reason it still doesn't work is you have not been taught the weird little hip-dance required to control the rocking motion. It's not like outdoor riding...but nobody ever mentions that! I found it very annoying too. My advice is to ignore what people are telling you and just firm up the spring- balls until it quits moving so much. Yes that defeats the purpose, but until they come up with something better than bouncing on springs, why bother?
couldn't help noticing that your elbows and shoulders look like there locked solid your upper body is rigit. I think a race is not the best place to get a feel for the rocker plate
It looks like it doesn't behave realistically. You shouldn't need to develop a special technique to use this. That fact that it demands unique skills to ride out of the saddle means that it's useless in its current form. It allows too much sway. It should only allow a few degrees of roll, the roll that this one allows is excessive. It needs to simply absorb the lateral forces when you're out of the saddle, and return to the vertical quickly. It therefore needs progressive springs and it needs significant damping (it looks like it has none). In fact this one looks like it's designed for a kids ride in an amusement park, with the aim to have you throwing up, rather than a serious attempt to simulate real world conditions. It belongs in the junk pile.
@@rexringschott Your comment feels a bit excessive, I don't know I'd go this far. I don't know if you have watched any of my other videos but I've learnt how to ride on a static bike and over compensate for zero movement, I now need to change my style to allow for that movement.
Maybe you could restrict the movement in the beginning and then ease into it.....or just go all in and mount training wheels on it like a little kid...sorry...I'll let myself out 😂
looks like it is very inefficient and absorbs a lot of your energy into movement. Similar to mountain bike suspension which you have to turn off when riding on roads as it sucks up your watts like a sponge.
I had similar issues getting the rhythm when standing; takes time and practice. good luck and keep trying it gets better with time IMO. I found this video really helpful ua-cam.com/video/yIHG2PuPB6E/v-deo.htmlsi=bwzx5HPQrNDpTxHy&t=67
Keep at it - it's worth it! The challenge, I think, is you're having to unlearn what 18 months of indoor riding has taught you - which is "opposite form" from what's outside. That's why when you first got on the bike with the rocker your tilted the bike right while pushing down with your right leg. That opposite form is what people on static setups develop - but if you did that outdoors, you would just tip over.
You're having to learn proper form, like outdoors, but with the nuance of a rocker plate, which feels a bit different. But you'll love out of the saddle riding once you get used to it! So great for climbing and sprinting. Here's me doing a sprint test on my rocker plate just a few hours ago: ua-cam.com/video/0CMZeYZcUA0/v-deo.htmlsi=SSahNhMIelOr9OuX&t=1544
One last thing: you might try altering the pressure of the rubber balls. Too hard and you don't get the amount of rocking you need, and you may even end up doing the opposite motion thing. But too loose and you'll have a hard time controlling things and you'll feel really wobbly. Many rocker plate newbies start off with the balls pretty inflated, then gradually let air out as they get used to balancing.
Thank you, I agree and you've probably described the challenge I'm facing better than I did in my video. Thanks for the comment.
I appreciate this video, Ryan. Thanks for providing your insights on these contraptions.
As an IRL cyclist looking for Zwift to help me maintain weight loss momentum & motivation through the winter - so far so good 🤞 - I'm looking for the most realistic experience I can get. This is one of the items I have been considering with that goal in mind.
I've watched several videos on rocker plates, all made by cycling gurus in full kit and such. Your perspective on the setup from an enthusiast's feel perspective rather than offering a technical review is as good as gold.
@@kurtrankin Thank you Kurt. I'm pleased thats how my video came across. 🙏🙌
I bought "HDJ Rocker Plate" this year.
My first impression for similar setup to you, was the same. But I could do a big regulation. Now it's rocking maybe 10-20% of your setup and works for me great.
Great vid, really interesting. I guess it’s down to practice and once it clicks your in. It will help you for outdoor cycling by the looks of it, working some slightly different muscles etc 👍🏻
Great job on getting closer to the next category. Well, I don’t need a rocker plate for my current Trainer. I used to have one for my previous trainer and I found that if you can stiffen the movement up slightly, it does help with being stable. I think there’s a balance between movement and stiffness that allows you to put the best amount of power through the pedals. In my case, I have actually fallen off my rocker plate with my bike. Specifically during a rather crazy sprint.
Hey Ryan, I'm about a month into having a rocker plate. It finally clicked for me. What I did is practice the side to side while sitting, as in right foot going down-lean left, left foot down-lean right. Got used to that and muscle memory took over and now standing and leaning the right way comes naturally. Hope that helps, love your channel man!
Thanks for the tip. It's what I'm hoping. 🙂🙏
I’ve just purchased a rocker plate for my Tacx Neo Smart Bike from Martin at Omnirocker. Hopefully will arrive in the next week or so. Looking forward to the upgrade in my set up 👍
Nice one, let me know how you get on?
I have an Omnirocker from Martin too! It's a fab piece of kit and has made indoor cycling a lot more comfortable! Stick with it, you'll get used to the movements, don't forget to check the level and put some air into the balls if required.
Great vid as always mate.
Was looking at one of these rocker plates, not sure I can justify the price. Nobody to answer too, but I don’t think id get the benefit enough.
Just put another message on the zwift play video you did. Black Friday price of the controllers is £50. Again I don’t think I’d use them enough.
Enjoying your vids 👍👍
@@1972andyb I use the controllers quite a lot. £50 is a good price tbh.
Another fun video, Ryan. This is off-topic, but it looks like you've lost some more weight? Really enjoying watching your journey. Best of luck adjusting to the rocker plate!
@@RonaldJacobs-e2i Thanks Ronald. 🙏🙌
Very interesting video, thanks very much. Good luck with your ADZ run!
@@CryPlz Thank you. 💪🙌
I can see your next challenge - Alp d Zwift on the Rocker plate out the saddle for the whole climb :)
I think others may have said this but the goal is to counter the movement of the bike so push down on the right peddle whist tilting to the left. That way you maintain central balance and let the bike move below you. Have a look at UA-cam videos about climbing out of the saddle and use those tips for your rocker plate. Once you get the hang of it, you'll fly I'm sure :)
@@zebeddy lol no way could I do this. 80 minutes stood up. Don't think I could do that without the Rockerplate. 😅 Are you trying to kill me? 😭
Try climbing AdZ on smart rollers 😊
Gr8 upgrade you will not regret!
I rock a saris MP1 makes the long rides bearable 😄👍🏼💪🏼🙏🏻
I’ve been thinking about a rocker plate for a while to get a more natural feeling when cycling indoors as I struggle to put power down when standing on a static trainer. Adding feet that use tennis balls to add a bit of sway have helped a little, so I’ll be very interested in how you get on with the Omnirocker Ryan.
Thanks for another brilliant videos 👌
@@tathh2531 I will say that so far, I've enjoyed using it. The standing aspect I'm sure I'll have nailed soon. 🙏😅
@RyanCondon looking forward to your thoughts going forward 👍 Thanks Ryan
I find my rocker plate (lifeline model) made the long 2+ hour indoor tides much easier, but like you, I initially struggled with the standing sprints.
It will click, and it will be worth it!
@@Nehpets1701G Thanks. Good to hear this. 👍
That much movement isn't realistic because bikes don't lean over and require extra balance to that degree IRL. The momentum holds the bike up when riding outside. Gravitational load is more progressive, along with inertia/centrifugal forces acting on your center of mass.
Try putting some dense foam under each side to dampen the free movement down a little.
I folded some big strips of cardboard and put them longways under the feet on my Elite smart trainer...kinda does the same job but to a lesser degree. A little bit of side to side movement works fine and doesnt require any extra balancing.
I got some 15cm anti vibration squares and put them underneath the trainer mat and underneath the leg ends of the trainer. Made out of rubber, reduces damage on the wood floors and also provides slight feedback when rocking. Works fine for me without rocking all over the place.
It also cost $6 for 4 of them 👌
I've thought about similar with the cardboard or dense foam under the legs of my direto but I'm really wondering if that's such a good idea for me. It's very common for my trainer to shift position during hard sprints or any out of saddle work and I'm worried it would just fall off anything I put under the legs. I am pushing 1200w on my sprints though.
Ryan, increase the pressure in the balls which reduces the movement until you learn to control it a bit better.
Good effort Ryan 2.6wkg is decent even without the new factor. Be interesting to see how u get on ultimately as I’ve been considering a rocker plate also
@@GingerWarriorCyclingClub cheers GW. 🙂
Interested to see how you get on with this going forward, Ryan. I bought a Wattbike a month or so ago and it was vibrating stuff off the walls when upstairs in the bedroom! So I bought 4 feet that hold 2 tennis balls each off a guy who 3D prints them on eBay. Game changer and so much quieter plus it allows a bit of swaying.
I think you need to get used to it Ryan. Practise makes perfect. I am zwifting on the kickr core, bought the 3d printet feet for 2xtennisballs for it. Thought i was gonna take a dive first time I tried sprinting on it. Your rockerplate does seem more wobbly than my tennisball mod thou. Hang in there, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it :)
Ive had 2 rocker plates only this 2nd one has fore and back motion. And i dont think about it at all now. I would say practice with non races to get the hang of it. You might feel shaky on your arms and legs and core because your body is scared of falling off but it will get less and you will be able to stand and power with practice. Dont give up!! Dont compare it with outside riding with rythmn either its just a different thing.
Persevere cos its well worth it and congrats.
@@buj3 Thanks for the tips. I appreciate it.
I made a home made rocker plate for my Wahoo kickr about a year ago, I experimented with different materials underneath at the sides to act as springs/dampers, I think your plate moves too easily, maybe if you could increase the resistance a little so it needs more force to tilt it might be better for you, my one only rocks a little until I sprint, Rocker does help a lot when sprinting and the backside is not numb after a hour now.....
Never used one but that is the reason I have never considered one as when you stand up and push down so the reviewers say the rocker tips towards the side you push down on where as the bike on the road tips to the opposite side away from the leg you push down on. Hope you find a way if you want to use one.
I find using Rollers the best way personally. :)
No way I'm competent enough for rollers.
@@RyanCondonit takes practice too. I'm mostly confident since starting on them this indoor season, though still occasionally "crash " when I am really tired or when sipping from my bottle or putting it back those are oddly enough much harder than riding hands free. Rollers are very fun though
I would say persevere with it. The stabilising muscles required for the balance will develop the more you use the rocker plate. I did notice when you stood up you put your hands on the drops, for me its easier to keep your hands on the hoods. Maybe thats worth a try.
@@johnl4310 will do, thank you.
@@RyanCondon as you stand pull through the hoods with your hands in rhythm with as your press with your feet. I would say you need to punch/attack /squeeze more as you stand up so you don't lose your cadence and therefore you will maintain your power and rhythm.
I created a workout where my trainer jumps to 300 watts for 15 seconds and I jump out of the saddle for that interval. Then it drops to 200 watts for five seconds to give me time to sit back down. Then down to 100 watts for 40 seconds and then repeats over and over. Your wattages may vary.
As for your rocker plate, it you feel like it's rocking too much, you can probably add air to the balls and stiffen it up just a little.
Hi, have been watching your zwift/cicling videos on tha last 2-3 days and i have some questions. Thats fine if u does not answer them but i'm curious.
1- what have been harder in your life? Your job career or your fitness/youtube journey?
2- i see u breathing alot of your mouth when doing high watts, i wonder if thats only because of effort, its known that breathing in through the nose impact your performance in a positive way. (Not a question now that o see it)
3 - On the last videos you was "super tucking" but the correct way is to almost sit on the bike bar, all though its very dangerous, and even ilegal on pro competition. Thought to ask if anybody told you that already.
Thanks for the content, love from brazil.
Thanks for watching my videos, I'm happy to answer your questions.
1- My career. I enjoy my fitness journey and creating UA-cam videos. I wouldn't want to go back.
2- It's involuntary. I'm aware how loud I breath but only when I watch my videos back. I'm also asthmatic so I'm just trying to stay alive.
3- I have no idea what I'm doing so just having fun. I know I'm not really "supertucking". :)
Hope this is ok.
I have not tried a rocker plate, however, last year I did try a motion add-on for my Zwift Hub One trainer (E-Flex Plus by Inside Ride). I tried it for a couple of weeks and then returned it. I liked the fore-aft motion, however, I felt the lateral motion was too much and contributed to too much instability in my riding. The device itself was very high quality, however, the dynamics of the motion that it added was just not what I was looking for.
Take a drink every time he says "rockerplate"
@@xtrailz Rockerplate 🍻
I think the rocker may be more useful for endurance rides, by alleviating boredom, etc. at lower intensities, whereas it provides less benefit on more intense and shorter races.
Possibly but I have found my technique has improved whilst seated in a race.
Just watching the first part of the video, my first thought is that your Wattbike has a lot of weight higher up than a trainer+bike setup. The centre of gravity is much higher and with the rocker plate the weight that was designed to make the bike stable when standing on the floor is exaggerating the rocking movement.
@@Thespinningwoman If I'm honest, I think its the way Ive learnt how to ride out of the saddle more than the equipment but I appreciate your comment. 👍🙌
You should roll back a bit those wattbike shifters. They are pointing way to much to the floor
Can’t you adjust the pressure in the inflatable balls to reduce the amount of movement?
@@daverickerby3135 Yes but there is still movement which I haven't quite mastered yet.
I have one and when I first used it, it was like being in a boat ⛴️ on a stormy 🌊 day 😂 I’ve had it for a while now and am used to it in all positions and it does enhance the Zwifting experience. Doesn’t make me any faster but just adds another dimension to the fun 🤩 Would I tell all Wattbikers to get one? Not so sure. I do still have a few issues with it but personally, it’s not a regret purchase yet 😜
@@psyscycology Thats good to hear. 👍 Gives me confidence. 😅
That sounds absolutely terrifying, haha.
I know it will make me a better Zwifter but only if I can master it lol
Need a little more air in bellows you have in the rocker plate
I would consider myself an ‘elite’ zwifter. I’ve always wanted one of these but every video review shows people finding the movement unnatural which puts me off. Curious how you get on with it long term.
In addition, I go to great lengths to keep my bike static for racing. I have multiple weights on the kickr to avoid any lift when I sprint. So again, just very counter intuitive to what I currently do to encourage/allow this movement.
I will be very curious how you get on with this long term.
@@Gusbuster27 thanks for watching and commenting. Ill try and do a follow-up vid. 👍
Hy nice video, are you more stable on the hoods for now, coz getting down on the drops seems pointles for a sprint position, no need for aero while you indoors.
Is flat bar an option 600mm, 700mm max, with bar ends for dif. hand position ? Cheers and pedal on ;)
I prefer sprinting in the drop bars as it allows me to pull on them and feels like it gives me more purchase. Thank for watching. ride on. :)
I’ve recently bought one myself im yet to use it yet though I’m expecting good things from what I’ve read of others using them it’s a game changer
@@alecjohnson4630 Let me know how you get on? 👍
Had a rocker plate for about a year. Rebuilt my trainer cave and decided not to put it in the new area. Best decision ever, haven't noticed any difference in comfort, but way more stable.
Yep, they are a waste of money. People buy them because they get into indoor riding and want to fix a problem that exists from lack of time on the bike. If rocker plates was the answer, why do all new outdoor cyclists complain about getting a sore ass.
Also the top zwifters actually go to great lengths to stabilise their trainer, putting weights or even bolting them to the floor.
@@titaniumben9923Then how do you explain being able to ride outdoors pain free for 3 - 4 hours but moving indoors have to stop after an hour to hour and half?
@mitchhorton9178 same way you got to ride painfree outdoors for 3-4 hours, time in the saddle indoors and the extremely obvious - Ride on a velodrome for 3-4 hours and you're going to be sore as well, change position regularly, shift gears and get out of the saddle every so often. Take a quick toilet break after 2 hours. Basically mimic the outdoor start and stops and you'll find you can ride for far longer.
I've done a few stupidly long rides indoors (10+ hours) without a rocker, plenty of people have. A rocker plate is like buying a big cushy saddle, it seems to make sense, but it's actually counter-productive
@@titaniumben9923Except there are many people that have used rocker plates with very positive results. If you don’t need then that is fine but you shouldn’t speak to benefits that other people have been able to have by using them.
Are you pulling on the handlebar (upwards and/or inwards) with the opposing hand to the leg driving down when standing? If not try it
Looks like a nice product, too bad they don't ship internationally
@@eloann Get in contact, mention the video. They might ship. Thanks for the tip, I'll try it. 👍
I'm a bit baffled by "getting the gears wrong". I've got egearing and if I'm in the wrong gear i just change it. It's not like IRL where changing under severe tension is tricky. Is this a Watt Bike thing?
I have an Omnirocker from Martin that goes forwards and back as well side to side, absolutely love it now, but it did take me a short while to get used to it. Had a few rides leaning completely to the left/right thoughout as couldn’t hold it straight in the middle 🤣
Zwift play though, how did you attach them, did you used the adapters over the hoods or lift the bottom of the handle bar hoods? I can’t get mine on without it moving the hood away from my downshift microswitch?
@@letscrafttogetherdiy4989 Its a very well made rockerplate. Im sure my progress will be quick.
I just attached the controllers using the adapter under the drops.
@ryancondon Thank you I will have to have another look at the controllers. I’m sure you will get used to it soon, just keep riding, try not to think about it as much and it will become second nature. Being in the right gear always helps though 😉
I think I have the same problem as you.
I've been using the Leeze Boom board as my rocker plate for a few months now, and I feel like I've gained some additional comfort, but very marginal, but my performance has dropped, I've lost 20/25 watts at maximum effort, given that I don't spend many hours at a time on zwift, I'm thinking about stop using.
@@oliveira-n1d Thats interesting, I'm going to keep using it. I dont think 5 races is enough to say I gave it a good go but I take your point.
Ive always imagined that installing a rocker plate would feel natural right away. I guess I was wrong then ! 😂
Or maybe that’s because you did not have the fire socks on !
Ps : Martin looks legitimately like a really nice guy 🙏
Also, you have gotten the habit « to rock yourself around/above your bike » on your trainer, maybe that’s why you have issues it the feeling right now, as now you can rock your bike under you.
That’s muscle memory you’ll have to reprogram 🫡
@@jujurm I think you're probably right. 👍
@@RyanCondon I hope you’ll get around it quickly (no pun intended 😅)
I bought a rocker plate for our SB20 and hated it. I just couldn't get use to the movement which felt like the bike was wallowing from side to side, nothing like IRL so it went back.
@@livingwithwolves1 How many rides did you give it?
@@RyanCondon Every day for three weeks. The SB20 weighs more than the Wattbike so that didn't help. My wife who also rides on Zwift just refused to get back on it. We got rid of the SB20 because it was always having to be repaired and bought a Zwift Ride. I bought some pads that go under the feet of the Core which allow movement and that is a lot better.
I've had a rocker plate on my stages SB20 6 months now. Cycling for over 2 hours is no issue now. But it's an elephant on roller skates though but so comfortable.
I prefer less motion so I make my rocker plate a bit more stiff.
@@1984rbarker I've been racing all week this week and I feel like I've turned a corner with it. 🙏
I made a homemade rocket plate with 4 balls and mine seems much less wobbly. Maybe air up your balls a bit all you get used to eat and gradually air them down to get more wobblies
What model is that wattbike?
Its the Atom.
Looks great, I’d eventually probably invest in something like this I’ve heard it can reduce niggles & soars etc
Hadn’t watched the full vid when I commented this 😂 as you point out the same 😊
I've got a big ride planned. It'll be interesting to see if it does help vs other long rides Ive done in the past.
For sure I’ll be interested in watching that, can imagine it just feels strange because it’s different - your brain will just be so used to being bolted to the floor
I’d love to see your first time on rollers…..I’ve never been brave enough to attempt it….
@@rolandhoward8421 I'd never use rollers, I'm not a skilled enough cyclist. 😅
Stick with it Ryan, you'll soon get used to it. I love climbing and sprinting out the saddle with mine! Yours looks a little too 'floppy', stiffen up your balls and you'll be all set 👌
@@MarkyMarkZwifts I will do. Thank you Mark. 👍
You’re overthinking it, turn off your brain
Thank you Sensei. 😅
have you thought about increase the pressure in the balls? less wobbling till you get use to it?
Stick with it. It clicked with me after about 3 weeks then it’s wonderful. Put more air in your balls for a bit then gradually bleed a bit out.
All your videos I kept wondering why your bike was moving all over the place. Mystery solved 🙂
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Ryan, you are way too polite in regards to rocker plates. My experience was just like yours. YES they have the ability to rock and YES you need basic pedal coordination, but the reason it still doesn't work is you have not been taught the weird little hip-dance required to control the rocking motion. It's not like outdoor riding...but nobody ever mentions that! I found it very annoying too. My advice is to ignore what people are telling you and just firm up the spring- balls until it quits moving so much. Yes that defeats the purpose, but until they come up with something better than bouncing on springs, why bother?
Just takes some getting used to Ryan 😃
I agree, like anything worth while. 🙏👍
@ noticed that you’re watts have gotten better!!!
Hey, looks like it sways too much. You don’t get that much movement when riding outdoors, unless you’re about to fall :)
What races are you doing … I’m an average old cat c and can’t find any races anymore .. with any people in … new race score isn’t working for me ?
I find the ZRS races always have quite a few.
The plate looks way to loose
couldn't help noticing that your elbows and shoulders look like there locked solid your upper body is rigit. I think a race is not the best place to get a feel for the rocker plate
It looks like it doesn't behave realistically. You shouldn't need to develop a special technique to use this. That fact that it demands unique skills to ride out of the saddle means that it's useless in its current form. It allows too much sway. It should only allow a few degrees of roll, the roll that this one allows is excessive. It needs to simply absorb the lateral forces when you're out of the saddle, and return to the vertical quickly. It therefore needs progressive springs and it needs significant damping (it looks like it has none). In fact this one looks like it's designed for a kids ride in an amusement park, with the aim to have you throwing up, rather than a serious attempt to simulate real world conditions. It belongs in the junk pile.
@@rexringschott Your comment feels a bit excessive, I don't know I'd go this far. I don't know if you have watched any of my other videos but I've learnt how to ride on a static bike and over compensate for zero movement, I now need to change my style to allow for that movement.
@ okay. But to me what I see on your video looks very unnatural. These things, if they're to be any use need to simulate real conditions.
How come that you're only LVL 40 on Zwift? You must be using other platforms as well. Do you have any recommendations? Rouvy?
@@leeH-sugng4 I've only used Zwift. I also do other activities such as running etc.
Got a watt bike and a rocker, once you master it you won’t go back. Could you not inflate the balls a bit more to firm it up
@@w.trunks2472 This is good to hear. I think they're fully inflated. I'll have another look. 👍
If the are fully inflated stick a couple tennis balls between the wood as a temporary solution once you improve your core you can remove them 👍
Maybe you could restrict the movement in the beginning and then ease into it.....or just go all in and mount training wheels on it like a little kid...sorry...I'll let myself out 😂
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I think you’re leaning to far forward while standing,
Keep your bum closer to the saddle while standing and see if it helps
Lovin the 80’s barnet
looks like it is very inefficient and absorbs a lot of your energy into movement. Similar to mountain bike suspension which you have to turn off when riding on roads as it sucks up your watts like a sponge.
If you cannot stand it then you could stop.
@@Rob-zombied-b3q but i love Zwifting.
I had similar issues getting the rhythm when standing; takes time and practice. good luck and keep trying it gets better with time IMO. I found this video really helpful ua-cam.com/video/yIHG2PuPB6E/v-deo.htmlsi=bwzx5HPQrNDpTxHy&t=67