Thank you Greg! You are awesome to cover all aspects which affects our flying performance. Recently, met an old timer that Paratroop in Alaska. After a cold flight during winter in Utah USA... I ask him for a tip on warm hands. What he said was mind blowing; "Everyone knows about layering for efficient survival of their core, but no one thinks of layering their hands and feet! The only thing that truly works, wool inside liner, wind block thin liner and finally thermal outer shell. And NEVER take off the wool and wind block liners off!!!" He is a legit bad ass Ice Climber etc. Let's listen to awesome old timers and learn!
If you want warm hands that last all day there is no better option than Motionheats glove liners. On a 16V system the hot setting is hot at -30C. Battery lasts all day and the lowest setting is more than warm enough. Use any favorite glove combination over the top. I add home made wooden toggles above my brake handles to solve the issue of heavy gloves getting caught in the brake loops. Flying high in Canada I use this system year round. Launch with the glove liners and put the outer glove on when necessary.
Ive been looking at the motionheat gloves but with import fees they get very expensive to import to sweden, however if they work really well it would be worth it. The coldest i fly in is -18c. When you sdsy they sre hot in -30 you mean with a glove over them as well right?
Blood circulation reduces a lot in the extremities when body temperature drops. Dressing up is critical to hand comfort, even with the best winter mitts, for me. Good test anyway, thanks!
As someone who flys a LOT in cold weather I agree with Core heat first! You can drop a hand and shake it out to get some blood back in the hands assuming you are in milder air. I do fly with "less bulky" pair of electric gloves though (just a cheap Chinese knock-off brand) and they are a game changer in the winter. Usually good for about 3 hours. I absolutely hate pogies (which is essentially what those Cross County mitts are). I have a pair which are velcro on top vs the zipper and stopped using them after just a few flights. Talk about awkward!. That zipper looks more awkward yet! Something Greg doesn't mention but that I am always thinking about is how quickly and efficiently I can access my reserve handle. Those pogies are terrible in that regard. Heavy gloves are bad enough. You have to be able to get a quick and secure grip on the handle and then manage a decisive throw. Not easy with heavy gloves. Dexterity vs warmth is a trade off that I'm always aware of but, of course, you don't have much dexterity if your hands are frozen either!
I have the cross country mittens and I find its good to wear them a bit lower down over the wrists with fingers sticking out. Feels a lot safer for easy access to reserve. Not as warm though but I agree if your core is warm it helps alot
I like to keep just a very small little fire going in my harness and feed it just a small bit of kindling occasionally. Of course in a fire proof container you know because I'm flying
The heated Gin gloves are just about enough but one thing that makes a real difference is just wearing the mitts as a set of arm warmers. Keeps my forearms out of the airflow and retains the heat as the blood flows to my hands. I could never get comfortable with mitts on the brakes but on my arms they're great.
My inexpensive solution is to buy a pair of three finger skiing gloves, and before I launched, I threw a couple of Grabber hand warmers in there. They keep everything nice and toasty. The Grabber Brad warmers, made in the USA, are great because they are very simple no toxic chemicals it's basically just iron filings and salt.
I bought some chinese no-brand heated gloves on amazon, spent around 120 euro and they are better than most paragliding specific heated gloves. Even flying in -15 degrees I would arrive at landing with warm hands. Hands were sweating with temperatures above zero. I believe these ones are definitely better than mitts. But also to find the right heated gloves is not so easy, I tried at least 3 other brands before finding the right ones.
Nice video, but I think you left out an important part. The putting on of the two mitts . Putting on one mitt is easy, but putting on both mitts is a nightmare. The first mitt is easy, you just pull it over the riser with your second hand. But to put on the second mitt , you have to step out of the first mitt, and then the fun part begins. When your second hand is in the mitt, the first mitt flaps in the wind and you try to go through the glove with your hand..not easy. Btw.. the link with the mitts isn't working.
Done! I’m ordering some mitts! Been working my way thru heated gloves and find nothing is super good. I’m hoping heated glove liners combo-ed with those mitts will work for my winter flying! Thanks for the review!
What about emergencies ... those mitts are a huge hassle. I have the same heated gloves tho. Turning them on before you start is usually a good thing. They heat up much faster that way. And occasionally hiding your hands in your pod for a minute on a transition helps allot with keeping the temperature a bit higher.
I really like my heated gloves, As i suffer from very poor bloodflow in my hands when temperatures drop. I get all white fingers and they don't work properly anymore. Doesn't even matter if i put them down low or in my pockets or anything. With thoses heated gloves the problem is solved👌
How come you're using the skybean as vario sound source and not the skytraxx that's right there in front of you? Personally I use black diamond skiing mittens (surprisingly nimble) with iron powder hand warmers, they last a lot longer than any battery will ever do.
Great video. I'm impressed that you managed to do all that while you were flying. I've tried the mitts but found them too awkward to use during active flying.
i am wondering if you get one ziped up.. how u Zip the other hand :D sure you can move your hand out and in.,. but i think its very tricky to get the hand in again.. and i dont like the big look of the ZipperBag
Thank you Greg! You are awesome to cover all aspects which affects our flying performance. Recently, met an old timer that Paratroop in Alaska. After a cold flight during winter in Utah USA... I ask him for a tip on warm hands. What he said was mind blowing; "Everyone knows about layering for efficient survival of their core, but no one thinks of layering their hands and feet! The only thing that truly works, wool inside liner, wind block thin liner and finally thermal outer shell. And NEVER take off the wool and wind block liners off!!!" He is a legit bad ass Ice Climber etc. Let's listen to awesome old timers and learn!
If you want warm hands that last all day there is no better option than Motionheats glove liners. On a 16V system the hot setting is hot at -30C. Battery lasts all day and the lowest setting is more than warm enough. Use any favorite glove combination over the top. I add home made wooden toggles above my brake handles to solve the issue of heavy gloves getting caught in the brake loops. Flying high in Canada I use this system year round. Launch with the glove liners and put the outer glove on when necessary.
@@markmcgoveran6811 I carry two 16v 3200 mAh batteries. Though I never go through all of the power on 1
Ive been looking at the motionheat gloves but with import fees they get very expensive to import to sweden, however if they work really well it would be worth it. The coldest i fly in is -18c. When you sdsy they sre hot in -30 you mean with a glove over them as well right?
@@rickardjonsson4526 yeah thats with a glove over the top. I just use cheap gloves in case I drop one.
@@rickardjonsson4526 Watson North of 49 gloves
Then I cut a square hole in the cuff so that I can access the temperature controls and can see the setting
Blood circulation reduces a lot in the extremities when body temperature drops. Dressing up is critical to hand comfort, even with the best winter mitts, for me. Good test anyway, thanks!
As someone who flys a LOT in cold weather I agree with Core heat first! You can drop a hand and shake it out to get some blood back in the hands assuming you are in milder air. I do fly with "less bulky" pair of electric gloves though (just a cheap Chinese knock-off brand) and they are a game changer in the winter. Usually good for about 3 hours. I absolutely hate pogies (which is essentially what those Cross County mitts are). I have a pair which are velcro on top vs the zipper and stopped using them after just a few flights. Talk about awkward!. That zipper looks more awkward yet! Something Greg doesn't mention but that I am always thinking about is how quickly and efficiently I can access my reserve handle. Those pogies are terrible in that regard. Heavy gloves are bad enough. You have to be able to get a quick and secure grip on the handle and then manage a decisive throw. Not easy with heavy gloves. Dexterity vs warmth is a trade off that I'm always aware of but, of course, you don't have much dexterity if your hands are frozen either!
I have the cross country mittens and I find its good to wear them a bit lower down over the wrists with fingers sticking out. Feels a lot safer for easy access to reserve. Not as warm though but I agree if your core is warm it helps alot
I like to keep just a very small little fire going in my harness and feed it just a small bit of kindling occasionally. Of course in a fire proof container you know because I'm flying
The heated Gin gloves are just about enough but one thing that makes a real difference is just wearing the mitts as a set of arm warmers. Keeps my forearms out of the airflow and retains the heat as the blood flows to my hands. I could never get comfortable with mitts on the brakes but on my arms they're great.
My inexpensive solution is to buy a pair of three finger skiing gloves, and before I launched, I threw a couple of Grabber hand warmers in there. They keep everything nice and toasty. The Grabber Brad warmers, made in the USA, are great because they are very simple no toxic chemicals it's basically just iron filings and salt.
Snowlife DT heated gloves…. Fly tandems here in Switzerland down to -15C with no problems….
I bought some chinese no-brand heated gloves on amazon, spent around 120 euro and they are better than most paragliding specific heated gloves. Even flying in -15 degrees I would arrive at landing with warm hands. Hands were sweating with temperatures above zero. I believe these ones are definitely better than mitts. But also to find the right heated gloves is not so easy, I tried at least 3 other brands before finding the right ones.
so what is the right brand/product?
What model of gloves did you choose at end? I'm looking for ones.. Thank you.
What brand is it??
Nice video, but I think you left out an important part. The putting on of the two mitts . Putting on one mitt is easy, but putting on both mitts is a nightmare.
The first mitt is easy, you just pull it over the riser with your second hand. But to put on the second mitt , you have to step out of the first mitt, and then the fun part begins.
When your second hand is in the mitt, the first mitt flaps in the wind and you try to go through the glove with your hand..not easy.
Btw.. the link with the mitts isn't working.
Nice video.
Do the gloves produce enough heat to generate thermals? 😏
Hallo Greg. I turn my heated gloves on couple minutes before starting. Till I wait for start. Dear are nice and warm when I Go. Function weary good.
Done! I’m ordering some mitts! Been working my way thru heated gloves and find nothing is super good. I’m hoping heated glove liners combo-ed with those mitts will work for my winter flying! Thanks for the review!
what about grabbing the rescue with the gloves? is it easy to feel the handle?
Heated gloves on my Xmas wish list for two years.
Greg did you use your B handles at all while hand in the mitt?
Thoughts?
What about emergencies ... those mitts are a huge hassle.
I have the same heated gloves tho. Turning them on before you start is usually a good thing. They heat up much faster that way. And occasionally hiding your hands in your pod for a minute on a transition helps allot with keeping the temperature a bit higher.
I really like my heated gloves, As i suffer from very poor bloodflow in my hands when temperatures drop. I get all white fingers and they don't work properly anymore. Doesn't even matter if i put them down low or in my pockets or anything. With thoses heated gloves the problem is solved👌
Steering with back risers on speedbar seems not easy with these bubble mittens.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on that Weightless your sitting in. Very intrigued with that harness!
How come you're using the skybean as vario sound source and not the skytraxx that's right there in front of you? Personally I use black diamond skiing mittens (surprisingly nimble) with iron powder hand warmers, they last a lot longer than any battery will ever do.
because I'm testing the skybean against the skytraxx ... future video
Great video. I'm impressed that you managed to do all that while you were flying. I've tried the mitts but found them too awkward to use during active flying.
Agreed, actually felt a bit unsafe using them, like being handcuffed.
I think with both mits on throwing the reserve would be impossible, what do you think? Could you hold both breaks in one hand quickly?
i am wondering if you get one ziped up.. how u Zip the other hand :D sure you can move your hand out and in.,. but i think its very tricky to get the hand in again.. and i dont like the big look of the ZipperBag
Perhaps I missed this, but what temperature were you flying in?
The problem with the mitt is how do you zip up the second one?
Greg, it's not winter))) my winter is -10 -20 ... And it's normally.